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This casting call may have leaked Joss Whedon's new origin for Ultron in The Avengers sequel

Jul. 30, 2013by: Alex Maidy

Another day, another clue about THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON. This time in the form of a casting call for the sequel's production as we get closer to filming. Based on previous stories that Joss Whedon would be creating a new origin for the robot bad guy combined with the lack of an Ant-Man appearance in the film led many to speculate just where Ultron would come from. Would he be alien in origin? Could it have something to do with Vision?

The answer, as everything in the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems to, comes back to Tony Stark. The following quote comes from Feature Films Casting who post casting notices from around the globe. This notice breaks down the general story for THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON and is open to those legally eligible to work in the United Kingdom.

In "The Avengers: Age of Ultron" Loki is gone and the new villain will be the evil robot Ultron, who has the ability to keep upgrading his own strength, making him extremely fearsome. Tony Stark/Iron Man becomes the unwitting creator of Ultron. The brother-and-sister team of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch become the seventh and eighth members of The Avengers. Quicksilver has extreme speed, while Scarlet Witch can cast spells and has telekinesis ability. Black Widow and Hawkeye will be key figures in the film.

So, there you have it. As I had previously predicted, Tony Stark will somehow create Ultron and be forced back into the armor he gave up at the conclusion of IRON MAN 3. This would allow for Ant-Man to be revealed in Edgar Wright's film. I am sure this will ruffle fan feathers, but I don't have a real issue with it as Tony Stark has already been introduced as an inventor and now he will have motivation to be a hero again.

The same casting notice also indicates that Aaron Taylor-Johnson has been cast as Quicksilver and that Anthony Mackie will appear as Falcon. Scarlet Witch still shows as an open role. Hopefully we get a quick confirmation or denial from Marvel on this, but sounds like it is the real deal.

THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON is slated to open May 1, 2015.

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5:31PM on 08/01/2013

Not really sure at this point

While the Ultron saga is just going to be a pre-cursor to Thanos kicking some ass, I'll go with any changes, BUT if Marvel can't get Silver Surfer & Galactus back from Fox for the 3rd Avengers film it will not sit well with me AT ALL.
While the Ultron saga is just going to be a pre-cursor to Thanos kicking some ass, I'll go with any changes, BUT if Marvel can't get Silver Surfer & Galactus back from Fox for the 3rd Avengers film it will not sit well with me AT ALL.
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12:31AM on 08/01/2013

Oooo

We all assume it's some active experiment on Tony's part that creates Ultron, but why? He already has an AI. What if it's Jarvis who becomes Ultron??
We all assume it's some active experiment on Tony's part that creates Ultron, but why? He already has an AI. What if it's Jarvis who becomes Ultron??
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6:24PM on 07/31/2013

This will take an amazing writing job to pull off....

Stark's best armor wasn't even close to a match for Thor (who could crush it with his bare hands), and Hulk is infinitely stronger than him. So how exactly is Stark going to create something that can threaten the entire world PLUS wipe out all of the Avengers (not to mention the world's military)?

It sounds like Galactus....an idea that works for comics because you can take ridiculous leaps in a comic and not have people complain. Brainiac works for Superman because he was created by a
Stark's best armor wasn't even close to a match for Thor (who could crush it with his bare hands), and Hulk is infinitely stronger than him. So how exactly is Stark going to create something that can threaten the entire world PLUS wipe out all of the Avengers (not to mention the world's military)?

It sounds like Galactus....an idea that works for comics because you can take ridiculous leaps in a comic and not have people complain. Brainiac works for Superman because he was created by a race thousands of years more advanced than us, so it gives credence to the idea that he could be a real threat to everyone. I'm doubtful that this could have the genuine tension of the original and you've gone from one of the most charismatic bad guys in comic history (Hiddleston) to a robot. That just sounds like a recipe for mediocrity.
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5:00PM on 07/31/2013

Makes perfect sense now...

I think it is evident that perhaps Whedon's reaction of, "Now what am I supposed to do now? What am I going to do in Avengers 2?" after seeing 'Iron Man 3' that so many articles referenced was used sorely out of context. Maybe not intentionally, but out of context nonetheless. Looking back, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that instead of being meant the way every published article spun it--that Whedon was so impressed that he was somehow intimidated by the movie and as such unsure how
I think it is evident that perhaps Whedon's reaction of, "Now what am I supposed to do now? What am I going to do in Avengers 2?" after seeing 'Iron Man 3' that so many articles referenced was used sorely out of context. Maybe not intentionally, but out of context nonetheless. Looking back, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that instead of being meant the way every published article spun it--that Whedon was so impressed that he was somehow intimidated by the movie and as such unsure how to follow/out-do it--that it's far more likely that he LITERALLY wondered he was going to follow it after he saw that they had Tony Stark more or less throw in the towel as Iron Man! Especially considering Joss's idea for the Avengers sequel came even before his idea for the first Avengers movie. I just find this kinda funny now...
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12:28AM on 08/01/2013
I agree. Suddenly, his quote sounds more like he's expressing the dilemma he's in rather than being a flattering remark at the film. No doubt he thinks well of the movie, but I don't think he much appreciates the corner it's backed him into. Especially if he wanted to do away with the time-travel aspect of the original story. Can't go back to before Tony quit...
I agree. Suddenly, his quote sounds more like he's expressing the dilemma he's in rather than being a flattering remark at the film. No doubt he thinks well of the movie, but I don't think he much appreciates the corner it's backed him into. Especially if he wanted to do away with the time-travel aspect of the original story. Can't go back to before Tony quit...
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3:36PM on 07/31/2013
It seems pretty obvious this is the way it was going...and I'm not trying to be clever. Some poster reminded us the other day that the teaser trailer at comic con showed Iron Man's helmet being crushed and reformed. Then there's no Ant Man in this movie(though does that mean there's no Hank Pym?). Iron Man 3 showed Stark moving more towards remote controlling his armour...only natural he's moving towards something he doesn't even need to control (he also destroyed his suits - perhaps
It seems pretty obvious this is the way it was going...and I'm not trying to be clever. Some poster reminded us the other day that the teaser trailer at comic con showed Iron Man's helmet being crushed and reformed. Then there's no Ant Man in this movie(though does that mean there's no Hank Pym?). Iron Man 3 showed Stark moving more towards remote controlling his armour...only natural he's moving towards something he doesn't even need to control (he also destroyed his suits - perhaps symbolic of him not wanting to be the man in the suit anymore). May be Hank Pym will have some minor role in this movie...providing the missing link between getting Jarvis and the machine to act completely as one without Stark. Of course it all goes wrong and Stark must return to armoured suit duties. As much as people are upset at Hank not possibly being the creator of Ultron - it does make sense in this Marvel world.
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3:39PM on 07/31/2013
Oh...becoming more unsure by the day of two more members of the Avengers without removing anyone first. This is a movie...not a 13-20 something episode tv series.
Oh...becoming more unsure by the day of two more members of the Avengers without removing anyone first. This is a movie...not a 13-20 something episode tv series.
1:27PM on 07/31/2013
During the movie, someone will go over to Quicksilver and tell him,"You know you look just like..nahhh!!!"
During the movie, someone will go over to Quicksilver and tell him,"You know you look just like..nahhh!!!"
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3:12AM on 07/31/2013

Hm... I'm still sour on the lack of Ant Man.

I'm pretty new to the comic book lore thing, but I was insanely excited to see what Ant Man would be like, and was even more excited to see him appear in the next Avengers film before his standalone one.

So no matter what I hear, I will be sour on the lack of Ant Man. The more I read about him and Ultron, the more I long for him to be the origin of Ultron. But as with anything controversial in text, I will wait until I see the next Avengers film before I make a final judgment on whether or
I'm pretty new to the comic book lore thing, but I was insanely excited to see what Ant Man would be like, and was even more excited to see him appear in the next Avengers film before his standalone one.

So no matter what I hear, I will be sour on the lack of Ant Man. The more I read about him and Ultron, the more I long for him to be the origin of Ultron. But as with anything controversial in text, I will wait until I see the next Avengers film before I make a final judgment on whether or not it was a good idea to do away with Ant Man's involvement with Ultron.

I feel kind of weird that it sounds like Tony Stark will have an even bigger role in the Avengers sequel, though. He was already the main draw for most of the general audience for the first film but came under fire for being featured too prominently as opposed to the other Avengers, and I read that they were going to balance it out in the sequel.... but it sounds like they are doing just the opposite of balancing it out, and in fact strengthening Tony Stark's grasp in the universe.

If this really is the route they're going, they could probably honestly title the film Stark Industries Tales: Ultron Escapes! Or something equally terrible. The more I hear about this sequel, the more I fear that they're putting the spotlight on Tony Stark way too much. :(
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11:43PM on 07/30/2013
If this is true, perhaps Tony Stark, trying to retire from heroics but keep "Iron Man" going without giving the suit to someone he doesn't fully trust, decides to create his version of the Hammer Drones from Iron Man 2. With a real AI capable of being better than him, better than humans. Then it all goes wrong and hilarity ensues.

Or he and Banner have a slumber party and after three or four pillow fights, Ultron is the result of a drunken dare. We've all been there right? Creating
If this is true, perhaps Tony Stark, trying to retire from heroics but keep "Iron Man" going without giving the suit to someone he doesn't fully trust, decides to create his version of the Hammer Drones from Iron Man 2. With a real AI capable of being better than him, better than humans. Then it all goes wrong and hilarity ensues.

Or he and Banner have a slumber party and after three or four pillow fights, Ultron is the result of a drunken dare. We've all been there right? Creating artificial intelligence with friends on a lazy Friday night. Ah, memories...I called mine Gumbo.
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11:39PM on 07/30/2013
I feel like this plot would've been fine if they decided to make Iron Man 4, but I'm bummed that they're going with yet another "Evil Suit" type villain that looks similar to Iron Man's armor. With all the different villains out there, I wish they'd mix it up a bit more. I'm sure they'll do a good job with it, but to have Iron man be the focus again just because he's the moneymaker of the franchise is getting old.
I feel like this plot would've been fine if they decided to make Iron Man 4, but I'm bummed that they're going with yet another "Evil Suit" type villain that looks similar to Iron Man's armor. With all the different villains out there, I wish they'd mix it up a bit more. I'm sure they'll do a good job with it, but to have Iron man be the focus again just because he's the moneymaker of the franchise is getting old.
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2:32AM on 07/31/2013
By that logic, the Avengers was Thor 2 because the villain was Loki again.
By that logic, the Avengers was Thor 2 because the villain was Loki again.
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8:59PM on 07/30/2013
that's fine, but the design needs a major makeover to work in the big screen with it's stupid looking smile. I mean it looks cool as a CARTOON character or in a comic book but stupid as hell without a major makeover.
that's fine, but the design needs a major makeover to work in the big screen with it's stupid looking smile. I mean it looks cool as a CARTOON character or in a comic book but stupid as hell without a major makeover.
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2:30AM on 07/31/2013
I said the same thing about Doctor Octopus before Spiderman 2 came out and look how that turned out.
I said the same thing about Doctor Octopus before Spiderman 2 came out and look how that turned out.
5:59PM on 07/31/2013
And you know that if they don't make major changes, I wont be the only one mocking it.
And you know that if they don't make major changes, I wont be the only one mocking it.
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8:52PM on 07/30/2013
Bad move Whedon if this is true. This isnt a blow to just Ultron but a big one to Antman. Granted I'm sure this change will fit the film just fine but dont kid yourself if this doesnt take alot away from Pym. Plus Ironman around the main plot again?! Lets hope they keep this fresh.
Bad move Whedon if this is true. This isnt a blow to just Ultron but a big one to Antman. Granted I'm sure this change will fit the film just fine but dont kid yourself if this doesnt take alot away from Pym. Plus Ironman around the main plot again?! Lets hope they keep this fresh.
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2:23AM on 07/31/2013
If they wanted to have Hank Pym be the inventor of Ultron then they should have introduced Hank Pym in Iron Man 2. Spilled milk. Water under the bridge. There's no emotional impact if somebody that has not previously been introduced creates Ultron. Besides, Tony Stark is an expert in robotics and AI whereas Hank Pym is a biochemist. A biochemist creating a robot with artificial intelligence makes about as much sense as a high school student creating a high tensile biodegradable polymer.
If they wanted to have Hank Pym be the inventor of Ultron then they should have introduced Hank Pym in Iron Man 2. Spilled milk. Water under the bridge. There's no emotional impact if somebody that has not previously been introduced creates Ultron. Besides, Tony Stark is an expert in robotics and AI whereas Hank Pym is a biochemist. A biochemist creating a robot with artificial intelligence makes about as much sense as a high school student creating a high tensile biodegradable polymer.
8:43PM on 07/30/2013

But who's playing Pym?

Yeah it kinda sucks the origin of Ultron is being taken from Pym. But who's being cast as Pym? Any word on that yet? Would Greg Kinnear be too weird?
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Yeah it kinda sucks the origin of Ultron is being taken from Pym. But who's being cast as Pym? Any word on that yet? Would Greg Kinnear be too weird?
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8:35PM on 07/30/2013
Bob Loblaw is probably right. Casting sheets would read more like the supposed one for Star Wars VII: "Young twenty-something male, witty and smart, fit but not traditionally good looking."
Bob Loblaw is probably right. Casting sheets would read more like the supposed one for Star Wars VII: "Young twenty-something male, witty and smart, fit but not traditionally good looking."
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8:28PM on 07/30/2013

This isn't nearly

As much of a deviation as the Mandarin in IM3, so it's cool with me.
As much of a deviation as the Mandarin in IM3, so it's cool with me.
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7:46PM on 07/30/2013
I figured once Joss denied Ant-Man's presence in Age of Ultron that Stark would be the creator of our villain. I'm totally okay with this! All I want is to watch these Marvel movies right now! But alas, we all must wait. And to the folks complaining about the spoiler: Why in the world would you not want to see Iron Man 3 on the big screen?
I figured once Joss denied Ant-Man's presence in Age of Ultron that Stark would be the creator of our villain. I'm totally okay with this! All I want is to watch these Marvel movies right now! But alas, we all must wait. And to the folks complaining about the spoiler: Why in the world would you not want to see Iron Man 3 on the big screen?
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7:28PM on 07/30/2013

Fake

Although I want Stark to be Ultron's creator, that casting call seems overly specific and irrelevant to casting to be real. Real casting calls won't go into that kind of plot detail.
Although I want Stark to be Ultron's creator, that casting call seems overly specific and irrelevant to casting to be real. Real casting calls won't go into that kind of plot detail.
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8:43PM on 07/30/2013
Why do you want Stark to be Ultron's creator? Curious . . .
Why do you want Stark to be Ultron's creator? Curious . . .
11:13PM on 07/30/2013
Cause I could care less about Ant-Man as far as the cinematic universe goes. Stark is the heart of this franchise, and he has the deepest emotional investment with the audience. He has been fighting to keep his technology from being used for evil since the first Iron Man. Ultron is the epitome of that theme. Ultron will carry far more weight in the cinematic universe if he is connected to Stark. I can sympathize more with Stark in this Frankenstein-like scenario.
Cause I could care less about Ant-Man as far as the cinematic universe goes. Stark is the heart of this franchise, and he has the deepest emotional investment with the audience. He has been fighting to keep his technology from being used for evil since the first Iron Man. Ultron is the epitome of that theme. Ultron will carry far more weight in the cinematic universe if he is connected to Stark. I can sympathize more with Stark in this Frankenstein-like scenario.
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7:27PM on 07/30/2013

If they're gonna deviate from the Ant-Man origin...

Then this may be the best way to both introduce the new villain and get Ironman back. Let Edgar Wright do his thing for Ant man in a different movie, I have complete faith in him.
But I'm really hoping this is the last for RDJ as Ironman. As perfect as he is, I'm getting a little tired of Stark in these. What better way to surprise audiences than with the death of the biggest fan favorite?
Then this may be the best way to both introduce the new villain and get Ironman back. Let Edgar Wright do his thing for Ant man in a different movie, I have complete faith in him.
But I'm really hoping this is the last for RDJ as Ironman. As perfect as he is, I'm getting a little tired of Stark in these. What better way to surprise audiences than with the death of the biggest fan favorite?
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11:28PM on 07/30/2013
RDJ recently signed on for Avengers 2 & 3... So he's not going anywhere in Age of Ultron... I'm cool with this since I don't think we'll get another solo IM film in the next few years, maybe never again with RDJ.
RDJ recently signed on for Avengers 2 & 3... So he's not going anywhere in Age of Ultron... I'm cool with this since I don't think we'll get another solo IM film in the next few years, maybe never again with RDJ.
7:16PM on 07/30/2013
I see a lot of people getting annoyed with the Stark/Pym creation of Ultron and i can see why. I think its got less do do with Stark being centrefold again and more about detracting from Antman's greatest contribution within the marvel universe.
The issue I have with the whole affair is the inconsistency of ownership of character licences and to be fair I think its the biggest issue the writers and producers are having too. The Avengers for me needs Wolverine and Spiderman added to the
I see a lot of people getting annoyed with the Stark/Pym creation of Ultron and i can see why. I think its got less do do with Stark being centrefold again and more about detracting from Antman's greatest contribution within the marvel universe.
The issue I have with the whole affair is the inconsistency of ownership of character licences and to be fair I think its the biggest issue the writers and producers are having too. The Avengers for me needs Wolverine and Spiderman added to the roster... Never going to happen with the current line up and its upsetting.
I think what the writers are doing is necessary for the story arks with characters they have already established, and with what they intend to establish with new move franchises like Antman. Most of the people funding theses films are fans of money and not comic books.
One thing i think we all need to bare in mind is that within the comics there are multiple universes with multiple changes and differences both in character identity and origin. I personally just treat the movies as an extension to the multiple universes within the marvel family on a different medium. There are iterations i'd like to see and particular moments i'd love recreated but at the end of the day we can speculate and piss and moan and elate and revel all we like... we'll know when we see it and 8 out of 10 of us will fucking end up loving it either way.
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6:26PM on 07/30/2013
That's too bad. The next Avengers film would have been the perfect chance to introduce Pym and then later introduce his Ant-Man character. It would still be nice if they had Pym in the film just so people could start getting used to yet another new superhero.
That's too bad. The next Avengers film would have been the perfect chance to introduce Pym and then later introduce his Ant-Man character. It would still be nice if they had Pym in the film just so people could start getting used to yet another new superhero.
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6:11PM on 07/30/2013

keep the heroes coming

Not just Falcon but also throw War Machine in Avengers 2.
Not just Falcon but also throw War Machine in Avengers 2.
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8:30PM on 07/30/2013
Mackie and Cheadle would totally hit it off.
Mackie and Cheadle would totally hit it off.
6:11PM on 07/30/2013

keep the heroes coming

Not just Falcon but also throw War Machine in Avengers 2.
Not just Falcon but also throw War Machine in Avengers 2.
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5:59PM on 07/30/2013

Not suprised

Why else would Downey Jr. agree to come back for Avengers 2 and 3 if Iron Man wasn't the main focus, again. I trust Whedon will not make him the lead. The first Avengers had a fair balance except for Hawkeye which they seem to be addressing.
Why else would Downey Jr. agree to come back for Avengers 2 and 3 if Iron Man wasn't the main focus, again. I trust Whedon will not make him the lead. The first Avengers had a fair balance except for Hawkeye which they seem to be addressing.
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5:36PM on 07/30/2013
Anyone complaining: you spoiled Iron Man 3 for yourself by choosing not to watch it MONTHS AGO.
Anyone complaining: you spoiled Iron Man 3 for yourself by choosing not to watch it MONTHS AGO.
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5:21PM on 07/30/2013

Sooo Tony's dead?

If Dr. Strange is being groomed to headline AVG3, and this is another movie centred around iron man, add that with the fact that Marvel is not happy about the upheaval Downey caused about actor pay, is this supposed to be a send off?
If Dr. Strange is being groomed to headline AVG3, and this is another movie centred around iron man, add that with the fact that Marvel is not happy about the upheaval Downey caused about actor pay, is this supposed to be a send off?
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5:13PM on 07/30/2013

More than one spoiler in this...

Was waiting for Iron Man 3 to come to BD before watching it, so the end is spoiled for me now.
Was waiting for Iron Man 3 to come to BD before watching it, so the end is spoiled for me now.
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8:31PM on 07/30/2013
I'm sorry that we as a movie fan community are not watching movies on your schedule. Next time, let us know what movies we can talk about and when we can talk about them, on this movie fan site.
I'm sorry that we as a movie fan community are not watching movies on your schedule. Next time, let us know what movies we can talk about and when we can talk about them, on this movie fan site.
10:46PM on 07/30/2013
Didn't even hint at that. But carry on.
Didn't even hint at that. But carry on.
4:45AM on 07/31/2013
So, you instead decided to read an article that would most definitely address events that have happened in the movie you did not want spoiled? Like RDJ says, "Never, never go full retard."
So, you instead decided to read an article that would most definitely address events that have happened in the movie you did not want spoiled? Like RDJ says, "Never, never go full retard."
2:56PM on 07/31/2013
Get real. The movie came out in early May... So unless you're a hermit with a serious case of xenophobia, and with no forms of technology, or that this is your first time on a movie site like this reading about something comic book related since it came out, it's hard for me to believe that this is the first you've learned of this... Plus, nothing at all was spoiled really.
Get real. The movie came out in early May... So unless you're a hermit with a serious case of xenophobia, and with no forms of technology, or that this is your first time on a movie site like this reading about something comic book related since it came out, it's hard for me to believe that this is the first you've learned of this... Plus, nothing at all was spoiled really.
5:12PM on 07/30/2013

So, is Jarvis the early form of Ultron?

Is that what the big rumour is at the moment?
Is that what the big rumour is at the moment?
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5:16PM on 07/30/2013
I doubt Paul Bettany would take on a more involved role in the movies. He stated himself that he doesn't really care about Iron Man. He just shows up for a day or two, records his lines, collects his check, and goes home.
I doubt Paul Bettany would take on a more involved role in the movies. He stated himself that he doesn't really care about Iron Man. He just shows up for a day or two, records his lines, collects his check, and goes home.
5:04PM on 07/30/2013
I lost a lot of interest in the Ant-Man movie.
I lost a lot of interest in the Ant-Man movie.
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5:01PM on 07/30/2013

Nicely placed spoiler in the article

For people who haven't seen Iron Man 3 yet, you did a fine job of spoiling the end of it for them you jerk.
For people who haven't seen Iron Man 3 yet, you did a fine job of spoiling the end of it for them you jerk.
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5:14PM on 07/30/2013
This whole article is a spoiler. That's it's purpose.
This whole article is a spoiler. That's it's purpose.
6:07PM on 07/30/2013
The end of Iron Man 3 is debatable and that isn't even the big spoiler in the movie so maybe you should calm down.
The end of Iron Man 3 is debatable and that isn't even the big spoiler in the movie so maybe you should calm down.
8:34PM on 07/30/2013
I hate when people expect other people (a whole movie fan community) to watch and talk about films on their schedule. This movie was out months ago. You should not be reading news about a sequel in the first place. People like this are what's wrong with this site for fans of movies.
I hate when people expect other people (a whole movie fan community) to watch and talk about films on their schedule. This movie was out months ago. You should not be reading news about a sequel in the first place. People like this are what's wrong with this site for fans of movies.
4:57PM on 07/30/2013

:/

Wasn't this originally supposed to be Thanos as the villian? Tired of Iron Man. This should be a Hulk movie.
Wasn't this originally supposed to be Thanos as the villian? Tired of Iron Man. This should be a Hulk movie.
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4:49PM on 07/30/2013
Not a huge reader of comics, so not a big deal with the deviation of creator, if this is even true. If it makes for a better move then I am all for it.
Not a huge reader of comics, so not a big deal with the deviation of creator, if this is even true. If it makes for a better move then I am all for it.
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4:20PM on 07/30/2013
I love Joss Whedon but COME ON!!!! All I can hope is that this movie is so good that I won't be pissed off. I miss being excited for things.
I love Joss Whedon but COME ON!!!! All I can hope is that this movie is so good that I won't be pissed off. I miss being excited for things.
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4:16PM on 07/30/2013
Unnecessary deviation.
Unnecessary deviation.
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4:13PM on 07/30/2013

No

I want you all to know that I am open to change. However, the last thing we need is Tony Stark at the center of every single plotline. Ultron is central to Hank Pym's character, so when they finally introduce him, it will rob him of his most notable contribution to the Marvel Universe. Does Tony Stark really need another guilt-based motivation/story line?
I want you all to know that I am open to change. However, the last thing we need is Tony Stark at the center of every single plotline. Ultron is central to Hank Pym's character, so when they finally introduce him, it will rob him of his most notable contribution to the Marvel Universe. Does Tony Stark really need another guilt-based motivation/story line?
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5:15PM on 07/30/2013
I don't think they trust that Ant-man will be enough of a draw to gamble the next Avenger's movie around him.
I don't think they trust that Ant-man will be enough of a draw to gamble the next Avenger's movie around him.
2:49PM on 07/31/2013
To play the devil's advocate, this is Marvel we're talking about... Not only are they well aware that Pym was the original creator of Ultron, but they've likely already thought about the sort of reaction that one who knows the material well would have to a big change like this. And once again, it's Marvel, so chances are they're already likely a number of steps ahead and have a clever way for this all to play out. They've always got tricks up their sleeve I feel.
To play the devil's advocate, this is Marvel we're talking about... Not only are they well aware that Pym was the original creator of Ultron, but they've likely already thought about the sort of reaction that one who knows the material well would have to a big change like this. And once again, it's Marvel, so chances are they're already likely a number of steps ahead and have a clever way for this all to play out. They've always got tricks up their sleeve I feel.
4:00PM on 07/30/2013
The premise sounds great, but you have to wonder how it could affect the Ant Man movie and character. I've never read many of these comics, but I read a lot into Ant Man awhile back and it seemed like creating Ultron was a massive part of who he was and where it led the character.
The premise sounds great, but you have to wonder how it could affect the Ant Man movie and character. I've never read many of these comics, but I read a lot into Ant Man awhile back and it seemed like creating Ultron was a massive part of who he was and where it led the character.
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5:16PM on 07/30/2013
It also revolved a ton around Wolverine, so it sounds like they are just going to take the idea of a super-AI running amok and retro-fit it to their current franchise goals.
It also revolved a ton around Wolverine, so it sounds like they are just going to take the idea of a super-AI running amok and retro-fit it to their current franchise goals.
3:48PM on 07/30/2013

why???

why do directors feel the need to change stuff???? their is a million and one great stories in the avengers universe, they couldn't wait until the antman movie came out and maybe made Ultron the bad guy for part 3?? why the rush? it just pisses me off so much, some writer created the idea that antman invented ultraon and now here we go years later some power hungry director wants to change just because he feels like it????
it pisses me off even more because I love Joss Whedon...but seriously
why do directors feel the need to change stuff???? their is a million and one great stories in the avengers universe, they couldn't wait until the antman movie came out and maybe made Ultron the bad guy for part 3?? why the rush? it just pisses me off so much, some writer created the idea that antman invented ultraon and now here we go years later some power hungry director wants to change just because he feels like it????
it pisses me off even more because I love Joss Whedon...but seriously you couldn't pick another one of the thousand amazing stories in the Avengers universe and make that into Avengers 2?
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4:13PM on 07/30/2013
but this version of Ultron works perfectly with Iron Man 3 where Tony creates AI, and then retires. this story plays off of that AI and gives him a real legitimate reason to return as a superhero since he feels personally responsible. this works better than rushing an Ant Man origin story in order to bring in Ultron. sure they could have skipped Utlron altogether AND changed Iron Man 3 altogether to go down a different road, but this can work. i dont get how Comic Book fans, who should be used
but this version of Ultron works perfectly with Iron Man 3 where Tony creates AI, and then retires. this story plays off of that AI and gives him a real legitimate reason to return as a superhero since he feels personally responsible. this works better than rushing an Ant Man origin story in order to bring in Ultron. sure they could have skipped Utlron altogether AND changed Iron Man 3 altogether to go down a different road, but this can work. i dont get how Comic Book fans, who should be used to multi-verses, rehashes, and reboots of the same character and story over and over are so quick to criticize that "things are too different!!". plus, i doubt it was Joss Whedon's decision to change. i bet you dollars to donuts the studio said "we need more Tony Stark!! Joss, make it work so the story centers around Tony!". i trust Joss can oblige with the studio's wishes while still capturing the essence of these characters we love.
5:17PM on 07/30/2013
They can't have Wolverine in it because of licensing and he was the core part of the Age of Ultron run. If they don't change it, they can't use it at all, with or without Pym at the center.
They can't have Wolverine in it because of licensing and he was the core part of the Age of Ultron run. If they don't change it, they can't use it at all, with or without Pym at the center.
3:28PM on 07/30/2013

Just thought of this...

Could Diesel be the voice Ultron?
Could Diesel be the voice Ultron?
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4:35PM on 07/30/2013
Good call, strong possibility
Good call, strong possibility
3:28PM on 07/30/2013
I think that's a pretty badass sounding synopsis. I have the upmost faith that Whedon will deliver us the perfect sequel to The Avengers am very much looking forward to it.

It's cool that The Falcon will also be appearing in this film too. And that Hawkeye will have a bigger part in this film than the prior film.
I think that's a pretty badass sounding synopsis. I have the upmost faith that Whedon will deliver us the perfect sequel to The Avengers am very much looking forward to it.

It's cool that The Falcon will also be appearing in this film too. And that Hawkeye will have a bigger part in this film than the prior film.
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3:22PM on 07/30/2013
i dont care if Ultron is built by Stark, by Hawkeye or shows up on Fury's doorstep as a mistaken Amazon deliver meant for Hydra. So long as he kicks ass with a cool voice, im in!!!
i dont care if Ultron is built by Stark, by Hawkeye or shows up on Fury's doorstep as a mistaken Amazon deliver meant for Hydra. So long as he kicks ass with a cool voice, im in!!!
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3:21PM on 07/30/2013
I like the idea, as Stark's fear of his creations being used for evil has been a running theme throughout the series.
I like the idea, as Stark's fear of his creations being used for evil has been a running theme throughout the series.
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3:15PM on 07/30/2013

completely agree here

They've got the basic outline for his origin. I don't think it matters who really creates ultron, as long as they make him an awesome/badass villain.
They've got the basic outline for his origin. I don't think it matters who really creates ultron, as long as they make him an awesome/badass villain.
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3:14PM on 07/30/2013
Sounds good to me. I mean, they have to keep Stark's character in the forefront, he's the driving force of these films and the biggest box-office draw, so I can understanding not bringing in Ant Man for Ultron's origin. And it looks like Scarlet Witch is going to keep her magic powers... wonder how they'll pull that off.
Sounds good to me. I mean, they have to keep Stark's character in the forefront, he's the driving force of these films and the biggest box-office draw, so I can understanding not bringing in Ant Man for Ultron's origin. And it looks like Scarlet Witch is going to keep her magic powers... wonder how they'll pull that off.
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