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Christopher Nolan spills details on The Dark Knight trilogy, from casting to themes to the open-ended final chapter

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Christopher Nolan's Bat-trilogy has been the source of much controversy amongst fans, from the varying choices made that set it apart from the former films, to the "realistic" setting and controversial ending.  The folks over at Film Comment sat down with Nolan to discuss the trilogy in detail, bringing out some sought-after answers and compelling bits on the director's vision for the character of Bruce Wayne/Batman and then the series as a trilogy.  He goes in depth about the thematic elements, the key element that intrigues him about villains, Christian Bale's screentest and the controversial ending to the final chapter. 

Check out the highlights below:

Nolan on reboots and his Richard-Donner-SUPERMAN inspired origin take for BATMAN BEGINS:

It’s a sign of how quickly things change in the movie business, but there was no such thing conceptually as a “reboot.” That idea didn’t exist when I came to look at Batman. That’s new terminology. Warner Bros. owned this wonderful character, and didn’t know what to do with it. It had sort of reached a dead end with its previous iteration. I got excited about the idea of filling in this interesting gap—no one had ever told the origin story of Batman. And so even though Tim Burton’s film had done a definitive version of the character, it was a very idiosyncratic Tim Burton vision.

I had in mind a sort of treatment of Batman that Richard Donner might have done in the late Seventies the way he did Superman. To me what that represented was firstly a detailed telling of the origin story, which wasn’t even really definitively addressed in the comics over the years, funnily enough. And secondly, tonally I was looking for an interpretation of that character that presented an extraordinary figure in an ordinary world. So I wanted the inhabitants of Gotham to view Batman as being as outlandish and extraordinary as we do.

Nolan on the "realistic" nature of his trilogy:

The term “realism” is often confusing and used sort of arbitrarily. I suppose “relatable” is the word I would use. I wanted a world that was realistically portrayed, in that even though outlandish events may be taking place, and this extraordinary figure may be walking around these streets, the streets would have the same weight and validity of the streets in any other action movie.

Nolan on his "honest" villains:

With my co-writers David Goyer and my brother [Jonathan Nolan], we decided early on that the greatest villains in movies, the people who most get under our skin, are the people who speak the truth. So with Ra’s Al Ghul, we wanted everything he said to be true in some way. So, he’s looking at the world from a very honest perspective that he truly believes. And we applied the same thing to The Joker and Bane in the third one. Everything they say is sincere. And in terms of their ideology, it’s really about ends justifying means.

Nolan on the metaphorical tones of Ra's Al Ghul, The Joker, and Bane:

Class warfare but also in a militaristic, dictatorial approach. If you look at the three of them, Ra’s Al Ghul is almost a religious figure, The Joker is the anti-religious figure, the anti-structure anarchist. And then Bane comes in as a military dictator. And military dictators can be ideologically based, they can be religiously based, or a combination thereof.

Nolan on the casting of Christian Bale as Batman/Bruce Wayne:

Christian was actually the first actor I met for the role. But given the stakes, the studio was always going to need me to put together a group of actors to be screen-tested. And we got the old costume out and shot the tests and Christian just owned it in a way that was very close to the conception that we were putting together in the script. In terms of the potential for rage that this character has, the axe that this character is carrying with him, he was able to project that very well in his test and have that underlie not only Batman but also Bruce Wayne the playboy. There’s a darkness that the character has been infused with by tragedy at an early age, and it’s the engine that drives everything that he does.

Nolan on the moment he realized Batman's story could continue past BATMAN BEGINS:

I think it was in the months after the first film was released. At the end of Batman Begins, when he turns the Joker card over, I found myself wondering, “Okay, who would that antagonist be?” seen through the prism of Batman Begins. I wanted to see how we could translate The Joker into that world. That was the jumping-off point. And the nature of The Joker’s antagonism was so utterly different to what happened in Batman Begins and was so different to Batman’s relationship with Gotham in particular. So The Dark Knight is very much a story about a city, a sort of crime drama, whereas Batman Begins is more of an adventure story. So it actually felt like a different genre, and then you know that you’re not retreading what you’ve done, you’re expanding it.

Nolan on the controversial ending of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES:

For me, The Dark Knight Rises is specifically and definitely the end of the Batman story as I wanted to tell it, and the open-ended nature of the film is simply a very important thematic idea that we wanted to get into the movie, which is that Batman is a symbol. He can be anybody, and that was very important to us. Not every Batman fan will necessarily agree with that interpretation of the philosophy of the character, but for me it all comes back to the scene between Bruce Wayne and Alfred in the private jet in Batman Begins, where the only way that I could find to make a credible characterization of a guy transforming himself into Batman is if it was as a necessary symbol, and he saw himself as a catalyst for change and therefore it was a temporary process, maybe a five-year plan that would be enforced for symbolically encouraging the good of Gotham to take back their city. To me, for that mission to succeed, it has to end, so this is the ending for me, and as I say, the open-ended elements are all to do with the thematic idea that Batman was not important as a man, he’s more than that. He’s a symbol, and the symbol lives on.

Click here to see the full article, which is chock full of more interesting bits from Nolan.

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES and THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY hits blu-ray/DVD on December 4, 2012.  Preorder here!

Extra Tidbit: Do you think Nolan's version of Batman can ever be topped? What would it take to do so?
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8:14AM on 12/01/2012
When Begins came out I was over the moon that someone was going to give Batman the treatment it deserved and after watching Begins I was blown away. I then went to the opening night of the sequels hoping to be blown away as much as I was with the first. The problem I think I have with the sequels is that I think Chris Nolan tried to be too clever with them putting in plot twists for the hell of it and that they had become stories not about Batman but about society and ideology, which dont get
When Begins came out I was over the moon that someone was going to give Batman the treatment it deserved and after watching Begins I was blown away. I then went to the opening night of the sequels hoping to be blown away as much as I was with the first. The problem I think I have with the sequels is that I think Chris Nolan tried to be too clever with them putting in plot twists for the hell of it and that they had become stories not about Batman but about society and ideology, which dont get me wrong I love intelligent film making but it wasn't right for Batman. As a Batman fan I wanted to see more of Batman living in the shadows something I think tonally was done right in Begins but missed out on in the sequels. I think for me the animated series at the moment is still the best depiction of Batman we have ever had. So yes I do think there is room for someone else to come on board and put their own stamp on Batman, Hopefully the right one.

By the way was it just me although I have had other people agree with me on this. But weren't some of the scenes in TDKR really bad. For example Talia's death scene, Blakes scene on the bridge where he dives as the police stop him from going over and alfreds cry scene at the end.
Although it is a solid trilogy I still dont think Batman has been given the treatment it deserved. I think another problem I have with the Nolan trilogy is that Batman hadn't been around long enough to warrant ending it the way he did in TDKR.
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10:04AM on 11/30/2012
Fantastic interview. Can Nolan's trilogy be topped? Sure it can. To me it's a perfect trilogy, but make no mistake, not even Nolan is bigger than The Dark Knight. Batman, the character, is wide as it is deep. Nolan explored some aspects of the character and interpreted it according to his perspective, which is awesome. But there are so many aspects of Batman that have yet to be shown on screen. If someone can step-up and truly show as much passion as Nolan did and try to interpret Gotham and
Fantastic interview. Can Nolan's trilogy be topped? Sure it can. To me it's a perfect trilogy, but make no mistake, not even Nolan is bigger than The Dark Knight. Batman, the character, is wide as it is deep. Nolan explored some aspects of the character and interpreted it according to his perspective, which is awesome. But there are so many aspects of Batman that have yet to be shown on screen. If someone can step-up and truly show as much passion as Nolan did and try to interpret Gotham and Batman in ways Nolan never thought of doing, he'll be able to at least be on par with Nolan's trilogy, if not top it entirely. Again, the mythology behind Batman is rich. This version of the dark detective may have ended, but there's no way Batman's staying out of the spotlight for too long.
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4:33AM on 11/30/2012
Do I think Nolan's Batman can be topped? I don't even think his Batman is on the top. I enjoyed the hell out of the first two, but I personally think Spider-Man 2, X2, The Crow, The Avengers, and Superman already top what Nolan has done. I'm not downing his Bat-films, but I certainly don't worship them. I only own Begins on DVD, doubt I'll buy TDK any time soon, and I'm certainly not dropping the cash for TDKR.
Do I think Nolan's Batman can be topped? I don't even think his Batman is on the top. I enjoyed the hell out of the first two, but I personally think Spider-Man 2, X2, The Crow, The Avengers, and Superman already top what Nolan has done. I'm not downing his Bat-films, but I certainly don't worship them. I only own Begins on DVD, doubt I'll buy TDK any time soon, and I'm certainly not dropping the cash for TDKR.
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2:19AM on 11/30/2012

Nolan' Batman Trilogy is what is

I thought they were as good as any comic book movie can get & what i love is that they did not feel well too much like a comic book. I will admit I was not too crazy about Begins when i first saw it, felt it was too slow, yet after multiple viewings I began to appreciate it more & more. Watching after i saw TDK made me see Nolan's vision & I can't wait to watch all 3 back to back to back when TDKR is released next week.

I like what he said about Batman being a symbol & anyone can become
I thought they were as good as any comic book movie can get & what i love is that they did not feel well too much like a comic book. I will admit I was not too crazy about Begins when i first saw it, felt it was too slow, yet after multiple viewings I began to appreciate it more & more. Watching after i saw TDK made me see Nolan's vision & I can't wait to watch all 3 back to back to back when TDKR is released next week.

I like what he said about Batman being a symbol & anyone can become Batman. It is a character and persona that is different from other comic books. Fanboys just hate change & when the continuity of comics are messed with. They just can't picture anyone but Bruce Wayne as Batman & thats what made the ending of TDKR so controversial. It was like how dare Nolan mess with our beloved Batman & Bruce Wayne. I for one thought the ending was genius & brave at the same time. NO one but Nolan would have had the balls to do that & I respect him for sticking with his vision.

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12:49AM on 11/30/2012

Never Say Never

Sure it can be topped, but by whom and how I cannot say. The third is the only one that I didn't love; it just seemed odd to me in a bunch of ways. Still lots of fun though.
Sure it can be topped, but by whom and how I cannot say. The third is the only one that I didn't love; it just seemed odd to me in a bunch of ways. Still lots of fun though.
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12:43AM on 11/30/2012

Never Say Never

Sure it can be topped, but by whom and how I cannot say. The third is the only one that I didn't love; it just seemed odd to me in a bunch of ways. Still lots of fun though.
Sure it can be topped, but by whom and how I cannot say. The third is the only one that I didn't love; it just seemed odd to me in a bunch of ways. Still lots of fun though.
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11:25PM on 11/29/2012
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. Honestly, I believe it may be able to be topped in time. But it will take a radically different approach to it. I think eventually if filmmakers take the same tone that the newest Batman video games (Arkham Asylum/City) have, then they will successfully "reboot" it while respecting what Nolan has done. Any take that disrespects his trilogy (ala reverting back to Joel Schumacher's style) will likely be rejected.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. Honestly, I believe it may be able to be topped in time. But it will take a radically different approach to it. I think eventually if filmmakers take the same tone that the newest Batman video games (Arkham Asylum/City) have, then they will successfully "reboot" it while respecting what Nolan has done. Any take that disrespects his trilogy (ala reverting back to Joel Schumacher's style) will likely be rejected.
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11:12PM on 11/29/2012
Something Id like to know is whether or not the joker was supposed have had face time in The Dark Knight Rises hadn't Heath Ledger's death occurred.
Something Id like to know is whether or not the joker was supposed have had face time in The Dark Knight Rises hadn't Heath Ledger's death occurred.
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7:57PM on 11/29/2012

Sooo..

Did he actually die ? The whole movie was awesome until the end I thought the end ruined the movie. like the whole film was so realistic and all and felt like even though hes a super hero he can exist in our realm of life because thats how nolan made it then the end came when he saved everyone from the bomb going off just in the nick of time I mind you. WHich to me ruin the whole feel of the film and brought it into your typical hollywood bullshit ending. I think it would of been better if the
Did he actually die ? The whole movie was awesome until the end I thought the end ruined the movie. like the whole film was so realistic and all and felt like even though hes a super hero he can exist in our realm of life because thats how nolan made it then the end came when he saved everyone from the bomb going off just in the nick of time I mind you. WHich to me ruin the whole feel of the film and brought it into your typical hollywood bullshit ending. I think it would of been better if the movie ended with the bomb going off and the camera pan back to the rubble and out of the rubble you saw the half of batman's mask as something moving in the rubble. Something along those lines. Care to agree or disagree but the ending to me just felt so fuckin weak.
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9:06PM on 11/29/2012
no he didnt die... he was sitting in the Cafe across from Alfred at the very end.
no he didnt die... he was sitting in the Cafe across from Alfred at the very end.
5:45PM on 11/29/2012
The best way to top it is to not try to - hang a left and go in the other direction. Nolan's Batman trilogy was epic to say the least. Whoever tackles the next version of Batman has a hell of a job on their hands. If you stuck with Nolan's version of the Batman universe, and went with John Blake as the next Batman, I would focus on telling more intimate stories rather than huge city-wide epics. Focus on Blake's detective skills. Batman is supposed to be the greatest detective in the world,
The best way to top it is to not try to - hang a left and go in the other direction. Nolan's Batman trilogy was epic to say the least. Whoever tackles the next version of Batman has a hell of a job on their hands. If you stuck with Nolan's version of the Batman universe, and went with John Blake as the next Batman, I would focus on telling more intimate stories rather than huge city-wide epics. Focus on Blake's detective skills. Batman is supposed to be the greatest detective in the world, after all.
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5:31PM on 11/29/2012

Of course it can be topped

Nolan's interpretation of Batman as a symbol is false, Batman is fundamentally who Bruce Wayne is as a person and the billionaire playboy persona is his true mask. Nolan didn't even scratch the surface of that or his amazing detective skills. Batman would have never quit being Batman, if anything the death of Rachel would have propelled him even more to never leave the role as Gotham's protector. It is good to see that Nolan is open about explaining the process and intentions of his work. The
Nolan's interpretation of Batman as a symbol is false, Batman is fundamentally who Bruce Wayne is as a person and the billionaire playboy persona is his true mask. Nolan didn't even scratch the surface of that or his amazing detective skills. Batman would have never quit being Batman, if anything the death of Rachel would have propelled him even more to never leave the role as Gotham's protector. It is good to see that Nolan is open about explaining the process and intentions of his work. The sign of a truly great filmmaker is how they share their craft with their audience.
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6:51PM on 11/29/2012
It's not false because it is an interpretation. Hello!
It's not false because it is an interpretation. Hello!
12:48AM on 11/30/2012
While I can't agree more with your opinion of the Bruce/Batman dynamic and that from my perspective in did hinder my connection to the story of the third film, you have to be willing to step back and say, "This is the story Nolan wanted to tell." It doesn't seem like Nolan is saying I'm right and everyone who disagrees is wrong, he simply chose a different focus for the character.
While I can't agree more with your opinion of the Bruce/Batman dynamic and that from my perspective in did hinder my connection to the story of the third film, you have to be willing to step back and say, "This is the story Nolan wanted to tell." It doesn't seem like Nolan is saying I'm right and everyone who disagrees is wrong, he simply chose a different focus for the character.
4:36PM on 11/29/2012

Never

no one will ever top it
no one will ever top it
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4:14PM on 11/29/2012
We have to admit that Nolan was a game changer. The trilogy is awesome and I personally love it! Every film in its own domain...

Now is time to move on, to start working on something else. And honestly, I would much much rather see something in the lines of Arkham Asylum... I would even call the creative team behind the game for some "tips". They did an awesome job!
We have to admit that Nolan was a game changer. The trilogy is awesome and I personally love it! Every film in its own domain...

Now is time to move on, to start working on something else. And honestly, I would much much rather see something in the lines of Arkham Asylum... I would even call the creative team behind the game for some "tips". They did an awesome job!
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4:11PM on 11/29/2012
it's good to see the other comments are positive, but not blinded simply by the fact that Nolan made the trilogy. Having said that, what a great article that lets us get into Nolan's head. Despite all the criticisms of TDKR, its generally accepted that Batman Begins was great, TDK was even better, and TDKR was somewhat of a letdown. To me, that doesn't diminish the trilogy as a whole at all. I would've liked it to end after TDK, but I'm still happy that the last movie was made, even if it
it's good to see the other comments are positive, but not blinded simply by the fact that Nolan made the trilogy. Having said that, what a great article that lets us get into Nolan's head. Despite all the criticisms of TDKR, its generally accepted that Batman Begins was great, TDK was even better, and TDKR was somewhat of a letdown. To me, that doesn't diminish the trilogy as a whole at all. I would've liked it to end after TDK, but I'm still happy that the last movie was made, even if it couldn't top the others. Looked at as 1 story with 3 parts, its very well put together. Its become popular to criticize the entire trilogy and make fun of Nolan and his "Nolanites" but without the trilogy, we probably wouldn't have any talks of a Justice League movie. Batman would still be derided as the campy, over the top movie that it was. Nolan gave his own interpretation, and to me at least, it was more than satisfactory
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3:59PM on 11/29/2012
Thanks for finally addressing the "realism" stuff. I LOATHED every argument that started with "But that's not realistic enough for Nolan's Batman series."
Thanks for finally addressing the "realism" stuff. I LOATHED every argument that started with "But that's not realistic enough for Nolan's Batman series."
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4:15PM on 11/29/2012
I agree. What drove me crazy was the fact that people would blast TDK and TDKR for not being realistic enough, but then turn around and criticize Batman Begins for being too "comic booky." Can't have it both ways! I had no problems with this, the movies were very consistent with the world that Nolan created
I agree. What drove me crazy was the fact that people would blast TDK and TDKR for not being realistic enough, but then turn around and criticize Batman Begins for being too "comic booky." Can't have it both ways! I had no problems with this, the movies were very consistent with the world that Nolan created
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3:58PM on 11/29/2012

Save the Justice League!!!!!!!

I think connecting the recent batman trilogy to the the new superman and justice league movies is a HUGE mistake. Batman is BRUCE WAYANE! Keeping that pathetic twist of a robin character as the new bats is an insult to the story., and all the future relationships and stories that spin off of bruce wayne and the justice league lead to some of the most epic comic book storytelling. if they where to use the elements that are there they could out do Marvels movies 100 time over! i think these
I think connecting the recent batman trilogy to the the new superman and justice league movies is a HUGE mistake. Batman is BRUCE WAYANE! Keeping that pathetic twist of a robin character as the new bats is an insult to the story., and all the future relationships and stories that spin off of bruce wayne and the justice league lead to some of the most epic comic book storytelling. if they where to use the elements that are there they could out do Marvels movies 100 time over! i think these writers need to read some comics...
fans need to unite and stop this before its too late!
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3:56PM on 11/29/2012
Thanks for finally addressing the "realism" stuff. I LOATHED every argument that started with "But that's not realistic enough for Nolan's Batman series."
Thanks for finally addressing the "realism" stuff. I LOATHED every argument that started with "But that's not realistic enough for Nolan's Batman series."
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3:55PM on 11/29/2012

Yeah, it can be topped

Not bagging on this trilogy at all, cuz I do think it is brilliant and the greatest on-screen vision of Batman there is, and may very will always be. But do I think it can be topped? Yes, I do. And I think some of the fans have hit it on the head here: It's the detective work.

I know that Burton and Nolan probably think they have done the mystery stuff, and to a degree they have, but we have still yet to get a full blown noir Batman film or trilogy. The Batman animated series in the 90's was
Not bagging on this trilogy at all, cuz I do think it is brilliant and the greatest on-screen vision of Batman there is, and may very will always be. But do I think it can be topped? Yes, I do. And I think some of the fans have hit it on the head here: It's the detective work.

I know that Burton and Nolan probably think they have done the mystery stuff, and to a degree they have, but we have still yet to get a full blown noir Batman film or trilogy. The Batman animated series in the 90's was so well written and visualized, I think that would be a great starting point. I myself am a filmmaker who has been fortunate to have some discussions with other talented people in the industry, some who are major conceptual artists, and we've discussed this very thing. I'd love to see a Batman world like that animated series, that was pure noir, and this kinda crazy melding of art-deco meets metropolis via german expressionism.

While on the whole, both Burton's and Nolan's stories have these elements to a small degree... I would just love to see this neo-noir world come to life in a Blade Runner like fashion. And when I say Blade Runner, I don't mean sci-fi, I just mean texturally and visually.
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3:11PM on 11/29/2012

MORE DETECTIVE!!

My love for Batman is the Detective stuff....even though Nolan thinks he may have used that, to me he really didn't. It is so untapped its crazy. I love a good mystery thriller, my favorite movie. Batman TAS had more mystery and detective work than Nolans movie, I love both BTW. I think to make it work we need more Batman TAS type melo drama with mystery. It would be delightful to have the Batman with a serious mystery to figure out and take us all the ride with him.
My love for Batman is the Detective stuff....even though Nolan thinks he may have used that, to me he really didn't. It is so untapped its crazy. I love a good mystery thriller, my favorite movie. Batman TAS had more mystery and detective work than Nolans movie, I love both BTW. I think to make it work we need more Batman TAS type melo drama with mystery. It would be delightful to have the Batman with a serious mystery to figure out and take us all the ride with him.
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3:07PM on 11/29/2012

MORE DETECTIVE!!

My love for Batman is the Detective stuff....even though Nolan thinks he may have used that, to me he really didn't. It is so untapped its crazy. I love a good mystery thriller, my favorite movie. Batman TAS had more mystery and detective work than Nolans movie, I love both BTW. I think to make it work we need more Batman TAS type melo drama with mystery. It would be delightful to have the Batman with a serious mystery to figure out and take us all the ride with him.
My love for Batman is the Detective stuff....even though Nolan thinks he may have used that, to me he really didn't. It is so untapped its crazy. I love a good mystery thriller, my favorite movie. Batman TAS had more mystery and detective work than Nolans movie, I love both BTW. I think to make it work we need more Batman TAS type melo drama with mystery. It would be delightful to have the Batman with a serious mystery to figure out and take us all the ride with him.
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4:12PM on 11/29/2012
Thank God, somebody with good taste in Batman.
Thank God, somebody with good taste in Batman.
1:57PM on 11/29/2012
This is so much great insight on Nolan's mind, and loved reading this. He is so profound.
This is so much great insight on Nolan's mind, and loved reading this. He is so profound.
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1:31PM on 11/29/2012

Cool read...

I think it can be topped. Won't be easy, but certainly possible. What I would like are two specific things that were lacking In Nolan's trilogy. 1.More detective work. Begins had some of it, and a Batman movie doesn't need to be as large as Rises to be effective. 2. I want the realistic side, and seriousness , but don't be afraid to stay true to the comic. If you're going to have Ra's al Ghul in the film, don't shy away from the super natural, include the lazarus pit element. You want to have
I think it can be topped. Won't be easy, but certainly possible. What I would like are two specific things that were lacking In Nolan's trilogy. 1.More detective work. Begins had some of it, and a Batman movie doesn't need to be as large as Rises to be effective. 2. I want the realistic side, and seriousness , but don't be afraid to stay true to the comic. If you're going to have Ra's al Ghul in the film, don't shy away from the super natural, include the lazarus pit element. You want to have Clayface, have him. Why not.

Batman has always been my favorite character, I often re-read, my favorite, The Long Halloween as a kid, I'd like to see that tone and look captured on film.
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1:44PM on 11/29/2012
"I often re-read, my favorite, The Long Halloween as a kid, "

Man, you people make me feel old. I was out of high school when I read that. I agree with you though in that I find it and its sequel "Dark Victory" to be among the greatest batman novels. I do think that you can include the supernatural in these movies correctly and it will not look out of place. Take Thor for example, he is a god with "magical" powers but it was explained away with one line of dialog that made sense and if they
"I often re-read, my favorite, The Long Halloween as a kid, "

Man, you people make me feel old. I was out of high school when I read that. I agree with you though in that I find it and its sequel "Dark Victory" to be among the greatest batman novels. I do think that you can include the supernatural in these movies correctly and it will not look out of place. Take Thor for example, he is a god with "magical" powers but it was explained away with one line of dialog that made sense and if they tie batman in to the rest of the DC universe it will have to get more sci/fi. It just has to be done in a way that the average viewer, not us comic guys, can watch it and say "yeah I can swallow that concept" or people just won't watch it. Unfortunately, successful movies are not based on us but the general populace so they have the entertainment priority.
3:11PM on 11/29/2012
I completely agree with you all the way too. DETECTIVE WORK!! a big one, more mystery like I stated before. Yes, don't be afraid of the supernatural element, you hit it big time brother. When are they going to include DC's animated universe writers and producers in the mix; they've been telling GREAT stories for quite a while now and know there stuff. They could at least help write or just help the story blossom in any way; esp. when it comes to adding the other characters from the universe
I completely agree with you all the way too. DETECTIVE WORK!! a big one, more mystery like I stated before. Yes, don't be afraid of the supernatural element, you hit it big time brother. When are they going to include DC's animated universe writers and producers in the mix; they've been telling GREAT stories for quite a while now and know there stuff. They could at least help write or just help the story blossom in any way; esp. when it comes to adding the other characters from the universe in, theyre the best.
3:22PM on 11/29/2012
**SPOILERS**

One of my biggest complaints about TDKR is that Bruce Wayne was completely duped by Talia Al Ghul. The moment where she reveals herself to actually BE Talia Al Ghul should've resulted in Batman revealing that he's known all along, having discovered it by some means with his superior detective skills. Then, after her big reveal, comes his big reveal, which would put her (and Bane) in their place and solidify that, yes, he really is a worthy detective and adversary. Catwoman
**SPOILERS**

One of my biggest complaints about TDKR is that Bruce Wayne was completely duped by Talia Al Ghul. The moment where she reveals herself to actually BE Talia Al Ghul should've resulted in Batman revealing that he's known all along, having discovered it by some means with his superior detective skills. Then, after her big reveal, comes his big reveal, which would put her (and Bane) in their place and solidify that, yes, he really is a worthy detective and adversary. Catwoman saving his ass and blowing Bane away was half-assed IMO, and the moment was robbed by Batman basically becoming the damsel in distress rather than the World's Greatest Detective.

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