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Christopher Nolan won't change Bane's voice

Dec. 20, 2011by: Paul Tassi

As impressed as we all have been with the DARK KNIGHT RISES trailer and prologue, there's been one point of contention that won't go away.

There seems to be a pretty steep divide as to who can understand Bane's voice, muffled behind his mask, and who can't. The fact that such a divide even exists is a problem for the film, and reportedly has studio executives worried over at Warner Bros.

But even amidst all this, Chris Nolan maintains that he will not go back and change Bane's dialogue, only tweak it a bit in editing. He has constantly maintained that it's not absolutely necessary to understand every word Bane says, only that you get a general idea of what he's saying.

As much as I'm on the "In Nolan We Trust" train, I think he's wrong here. He can't know what makes something uncomfortable for people. Like he might not think we have to hear every word, but even if he believes that, there are plenty of us who will be driven crazy if we have to keep straining our ears to try and understand what Bane's saying, even if it's not "important" that we do so.

For example, I only caught half of what was a rather good line from the trailer, I heard "Mrmph mrmm pmrph, you have my permission to die." Even after my third viewing, I had to have the "When Gotham is in ashes" part spelled out for me. If I can miss this much in just one sentence, I'm wondering how the entirety of the movie is going to go.

If you can understand it completely, that's great, but I'm definitely worried that if unchecked, this could be a big issue for a lot of people that could overshadow an otherwise great movie.

Extra Tidbit: Though I guess if we've already endured two films of the Bale Batman voice...
Source: THR

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5:23PM on 12/20/2011
Nolan should be a jerk about it and add subtitles that are too blurry to read.
Nolan should be a jerk about it and add subtitles that are too blurry to read.
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6:14PM on 12/20/2011
All I know is I can't understand a word Stallone says and everyone seems to love him.
All I know is I can't understand a word Stallone says and everyone seems to love him.
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6:22PM on 12/20/2011
Don't you see what he's doing? By not making Bane's dialogue comprehensible, Nolan's ensuring tons of repeat viewings.
Don't you see what he's doing? By not making Bane's dialogue comprehensible, Nolan's ensuring tons of repeat viewings.
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5:04PM on 12/20/2011
It seems lots of people enjoy Nolan's realistic version of Batman.
So lets make a decision here...Do we want a realistic interpretation of a man's voice with a freaking giant metal piece on his head or do we want something less realistic and goes with a clear voice as if he has no mask on?
I'm okay with Bane's voice as is. And let's be honest here, who actually saw the real Prologue on IMAX instead of bootleg version?
It seems lots of people enjoy Nolan's realistic version of Batman.
So lets make a decision here...Do we want a realistic interpretation of a man's voice with a freaking giant metal piece on his head or do we want something less realistic and goes with a clear voice as if he has no mask on?
I'm okay with Bane's voice as is. And let's be honest here, who actually saw the real Prologue on IMAX instead of bootleg version?
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4:22PM on 12/21/2011
Yeeeeaaaaahhhh, I saw it in IMAX and I couldn't understand a motherfucking word Bane said. "Realistic" is one thing, "over the top is another". Have you ever heard someone talk with their larynx removed and they have to use a microphone in it's place? Infinitely easier to understand than Bane. Bane's voice will make or break this movie, and this is a rare time when the studio needs to step in and fix this shit. "Realistic" is fine, but it's not like I'm seeing a random person the street and
Yeeeeaaaaahhhh, I saw it in IMAX and I couldn't understand a motherfucking word Bane said. "Realistic" is one thing, "over the top is another". Have you ever heard someone talk with their larynx removed and they have to use a microphone in it's place? Infinitely easier to understand than Bane. Bane's voice will make or break this movie, and this is a rare time when the studio needs to step in and fix this shit. "Realistic" is fine, but it's not like I'm seeing a random person the street and it doesn't matter if i miss one thing they're saying, he's the main villain, we need to understand what he's saying.
7:53PM on 12/20/2011

Good.

Good, it shouldn't be changed because this is his vision of Bane and I have come to learn that Christoper Nolan can back up anything he does.
"THEY CASTED HEATH LEDGER AS THE JOKER OMGWTFBBQ!?!?!"
Good, it shouldn't be changed because this is his vision of Bane and I have come to learn that Christoper Nolan can back up anything he does.
"THEY CASTED HEATH LEDGER AS THE JOKER OMGWTFBBQ!?!?!"
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2:44PM on 12/20/2011

WHATEVER ...

... I'm gonna watch TDKR at least 15 times, I'm sure by then I'll understand what Bane is speaking perfectly.
... I'm gonna watch TDKR at least 15 times, I'm sure by then I'll understand what Bane is speaking perfectly.
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3:11PM on 12/20/2011
This is a solid point.
This is a solid point.
12:29PM on 12/20/2011

"As much as I'm on the "In Nolan We Trust" train, I think he's wrong here."

You do realize that makes no sense, right? If you trust him to make his movie, then second guessing his decisions on it is antithetical. These are the exact same sentiments we heard about the Joker too; we like Nolan, but this is wrong.... and by the way, not being able to understand every third word of Saitos didn't stop Inception from being a good movie.
You do realize that makes no sense, right? If you trust him to make his movie, then second guessing his decisions on it is antithetical. These are the exact same sentiments we heard about the Joker too; we like Nolan, but this is wrong.... and by the way, not being able to understand every third word of Saitos didn't stop Inception from being a good movie.
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3:04PM on 12/20/2011
I could understand what Bane said when I first watched the trailer. I think people are going a little overboard with this whole subject. A few thought he was a little hard to understand, and blew it out of proportion. These films are held at such a high regard for us, that any "flaw" will get way exaggerated. I honestly dig his voice and the film looks nothing short of phenomenal. Opinions are opinions, but this Bat-fan is stoked beyond words.
I could understand what Bane said when I first watched the trailer. I think people are going a little overboard with this whole subject. A few thought he was a little hard to understand, and blew it out of proportion. These films are held at such a high regard for us, that any "flaw" will get way exaggerated. I honestly dig his voice and the film looks nothing short of phenomenal. Opinions are opinions, but this Bat-fan is stoked beyond words.
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9:31PM on 12/20/2011

To each hisher own

A lot of people hate Batman's voice too but I like it. If you think about it, it makes sense as it does with Bane. I honestly had no problem understanding him in the trailer. That being said, I can understand why it would annoy some people (the same with Batman's voice). However, this is Nolan's movie and it is his call. One thing that people seem to forget is that movie making is an art form and Nolan has every right to do what he wants to complete his vision. You wouldn't go into an
A lot of people hate Batman's voice too but I like it. If you think about it, it makes sense as it does with Bane. I honestly had no problem understanding him in the trailer. That being said, I can understand why it would annoy some people (the same with Batman's voice). However, this is Nolan's movie and it is his call. One thing that people seem to forget is that movie making is an art form and Nolan has every right to do what he wants to complete his vision. You wouldn't go into an artist's studio, look at a painting and say, "I don't like how you painted that boat, repaint it." Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on what side of the fence you are on), that's not how it works.
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11:26PM on 12/20/2011
I disagree. As much as there is an art to making movies, movies are not made simply as an expression of art. Movies are made with the intent to entertain general (and sometimes specific) audiences as well as to make money. If enhancing the audience's ability to hear a character will make it more enjoyable to the viewing public and will make the studio that is funding the picture more money, then it is okay for people to campaign for this change.

It's interesting that no one defends Uwe
I disagree. As much as there is an art to making movies, movies are not made simply as an expression of art. Movies are made with the intent to entertain general (and sometimes specific) audiences as well as to make money. If enhancing the audience's ability to hear a character will make it more enjoyable to the viewing public and will make the studio that is funding the picture more money, then it is okay for people to campaign for this change.

It's interesting that no one defends Uwe Boll's pathetic attempts at entertainment when he calls his movies art. No one defended the crappy CGI costume and mask on the Green Lantern when they went back to rework it after early criticism. People operate with such double standards. You were right the first time - it's okay to have an opinion and it's okay for the studios and movie makers to listen.
7:52AM on 12/21/2011
There is def some truth to what you are saying and I see your points but Warner Bros commissioned Nolan to make the movie he wanted to and he should be able to make it the way he wants otherwise it will feel disjointed (there are a lot of films that suffer from this. Spider-man 3 is the perfect example. Raimi didn't want to use Venom but fans and the studios did, so they forced him and he essentially ruined Venom. That's a drastic example because we are only talking about a voice and not a
There is def some truth to what you are saying and I see your points but Warner Bros commissioned Nolan to make the movie he wanted to and he should be able to make it the way he wants otherwise it will feel disjointed (there are a lot of films that suffer from this. Spider-man 3 is the perfect example. Raimi didn't want to use Venom but fans and the studios did, so they forced him and he essentially ruined Venom. That's a drastic example because we are only talking about a voice and not a whole character. Your example though with Green Lantern is a good one and though I enjoyed the movie on some level and the Special Effects were slightly better than the preview they still weren't great.
I guess my counter point would be that the way people react without seeing the final version could cause some real issues...if fans had their way, when Ledger was cast as the Joker he would have been recast because the outcry was so large. People were pissed. How can this romantic lead, 10 things I hate about you guy be the Joker? That's ridiculous...but then they saw the movie and he was truly amazing (best thing about that movie in my opinion). I think people need to wait to see the movie before passing judgment. I do realize how silly my point is because if you wait till the movie comes out, it's too late...but if you don't you could lose something amazing.
I think Spielberg said it best when he was talking about what George Lucas did to Star Wars (I am going to paraphrase here), he doesn't agree with what he's doing but they are his movies and he can do what he wants.
2:03PM on 12/21/2011
Your "counterpoint" regarding Ledger isn't a fair comparison. People were skeptical or confused by the casting, but they had never even seen him in make-up or on screen at the time his casting was being criticized. Once the fans saw some footage (the opening scene or trailer) or saw photos in magazines, people embraced it and were on-board. The complaint about Bane's voice is AFTER having seen and heard him. Had Nolan just mentioned in an interview that his voice would be muffled, you would
Your "counterpoint" regarding Ledger isn't a fair comparison. People were skeptical or confused by the casting, but they had never even seen him in make-up or on screen at the time his casting was being criticized. Once the fans saw some footage (the opening scene or trailer) or saw photos in magazines, people embraced it and were on-board. The complaint about Bane's voice is AFTER having seen and heard him. Had Nolan just mentioned in an interview that his voice would be muffled, you would be right that he shouldn't listen to the fans. But these complaints are coming out after having viewed scenes and after having received a taste of the finished product. This is a much different scenario.

As far as your comment about the Speilberg quote, Star Wars belongs to George Lucas far more than Batman belongs to Christopher Nolan. This isn't a fair comparison either.
8:32AM on 12/22/2011
I need to start off by saying two things (1 is unrelated). One, Ben Folds rules. Two, isn't it nice to have a discussion? I read a lot of comments on these boards and usually you get something like, "You don't agree with me? Then you must be stupid!" I am glad that we haven't gone to the dark side of the force. Your point about George Lucas owning Star Wars (nice transition, right?) more than Nolan owning Batman is 100% accurate...I cannot argue with that point. Good work on that! haha.
I need to start off by saying two things (1 is unrelated). One, Ben Folds rules. Two, isn't it nice to have a discussion? I read a lot of comments on these boards and usually you get something like, "You don't agree with me? Then you must be stupid!" I am glad that we haven't gone to the dark side of the force. Your point about George Lucas owning Star Wars (nice transition, right?) more than Nolan owning Batman is 100% accurate...I cannot argue with that point. Good work on that! haha. However, on one of your points, I am not sure if you are forgetting, but fans were outraged when they saw the first pic of ledger as the joker (the one that was REALLY close up). I remember having a long conversation with a friend of mine about it because we were shocked at how many people were still trashing it. I will admit that you are correct that once people saw footage, they were put at ease (and then excited for the movie). I guess it's just a slippery slope. So many people hate Bale's Batman voice. It's not as soothing as Keaton's or Conroy's but it def is an interesting take on the voice and as I have stated before it makes sense (as does Bane's). After Batman Begins came out and it seemed like a majority of fans loved the movie but hated Bale's Batman voice, should Nolan have changed it for the sequel? You can't please everybody and even looking at this board, it doesn't look like everybody hates Bane's voice. So then if he changes Bane's voice, then he is going against what he wants as a director, what Hardy worked on as an actor and he's going against the people that do like his version (vision) of the voice. I def like the voice (a lot) and I wouldn't say that I am in the minority. It appears that it's close (relatively) to an even split. Then, what if he makes the change and fans hate it more or like it more but still don't love it? At what point does the madness stop?
10:26AM on 12/22/2011
This might surprise you, but I agree with almost everything you have ever written.

- None of my objections or counter replies have had any ill will. I enjoy the healthy debate and respect where you are coming from.

- I understand and mostly enjoy Bale's Batman voice and think it only makes sense in Nolan's pictures. Batman speaks with Rachel, Dent, Gordon, and even appears at his own party in TDK. Of course he would have to disguise his voice - he is far too recognizable to those
This might surprise you, but I agree with almost everything you have ever written.

- None of my objections or counter replies have had any ill will. I enjoy the healthy debate and respect where you are coming from.

- I understand and mostly enjoy Bale's Batman voice and think it only makes sense in Nolan's pictures. Batman speaks with Rachel, Dent, Gordon, and even appears at his own party in TDK. Of course he would have to disguise his voice - he is far too recognizable to those around him.

- I don't think studios should tamper with projects when the director has a good thing going. I think the most blatant example of this is NOT Spiderman 3 but rather Kingdom of Heaven when the studio made Ridley Scott cut over an hour of footage and it spoiled a great picture.

- Nolan is a brilliant director and I have full confidence that TDKR will be a great movie.

- Ben Folds rocks.

The only point I really disagree is that I think Nolan SHOULD and sounds like WILL listen to fan feedback (to some degree). Most of the people who have seen the footage and complained about Bane's voice have been the fans of the original 2 movies. Even if it's 50%, that's still a significant portion. I don't think Nolan should dismiss it. Of course he finds it easy to follow and of course he thinks the movie makes sense even if the dialogue cannot be tracked - it's his movie and he has an unfair advantage over us as a viewing audience because we are experiencing it new and fresh for the first time. Once you know what a character is saying or know why he is doing what he is doing, it inevitably becomes easier to track. If most people who watched the 6 minute intro were his fans and went in expecting to love it, then it's significant that half of them came out with the same complaint. In the article, it does say that Nolan will "tweak" it in editing and I expect that it will test and screen well and he will have made the necessary changes to make the picture great. I just disagree with the idea that a film maker should be allowed to do whatever he wants regardless of what fan opinion will be. It's not right to just dismiss it as art. I will never forgive Brett Ratner for what he did to the X-Men. The Phoenix Saga should have been great. I doubt many people defend that movie as an expression of art and commend him for the choices he made.
12:22PM on 12/20/2011
Don't worry. You can always wait for the dvd and hit 'subtitles'...
Don't worry. You can always wait for the dvd and hit 'subtitles'...
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8:42PM on 12/20/2011

Good

"Overshadow an otherwise great movie"? Really? All this over half a line of dialogue? Gimme a break. The movie will be great, Bane's voice will be fine. So silly. If everyone really wants a good reason to complain, they should start talking about the "Evil Dead" remake.
"Overshadow an otherwise great movie"? Really? All this over half a line of dialogue? Gimme a break. The movie will be great, Bane's voice will be fine. So silly. If everyone really wants a good reason to complain, they should start talking about the "Evil Dead" remake.
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4:56PM on 12/20/2011

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Here's the deal. Voices are easily recognizable. If Batman has the exact same voice as Bruce Wayne, then anyone who talks to both might figure out it's the same person! You might not like his voice but it makes sense. It also makes sense that Banes voice would sound strange because he's wear a mask. What you see as a mistake, I see as film maker pushing for realism in his movies and I applaud him for it.
Here's the deal. Voices are easily recognizable. If Batman has the exact same voice as Bruce Wayne, then anyone who talks to both might figure out it's the same person! You might not like his voice but it makes sense. It also makes sense that Banes voice would sound strange because he's wear a mask. What you see as a mistake, I see as film maker pushing for realism in his movies and I applaud him for it.
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4:47PM on 12/20/2011

wow

Agreeing with something doesn't make one a fanboy. Interesting how emotions can become so high because of something like this. I think some people are just too spoiled and want everything to be handed on a plate, cut into little pieces or best chewed before.
Agreeing with something doesn't make one a fanboy. Interesting how emotions can become so high because of something like this. I think some people are just too spoiled and want everything to be handed on a plate, cut into little pieces or best chewed before.
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4:51PM on 12/20/2011
Yeah, there's a lot of girly men in this thread.
Yeah, there's a lot of girly men in this thread.
1:08PM on 12/20/2011
Okay I'm thinking two things.

One: Through post production and editing, Bane will be understandable.

Two: If Nolan is THAT strong and unmoved by this and refuses to change it than it is because he wants it EXACTLY the way it is. I'm willing to respect that.
Okay I'm thinking two things.

One: Through post production and editing, Bane will be understandable.

Two: If Nolan is THAT strong and unmoved by this and refuses to change it than it is because he wants it EXACTLY the way it is. I'm willing to respect that.
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5:32PM on 12/20/2011
I think Bane's voice is an addition to his character - a masterful brute force with no 100% clear understanding from the outside. He's an unstoppable force. His voice adds to the intensity and chillness of it.
I think Bane's voice is an addition to his character - a masterful brute force with no 100% clear understanding from the outside. He's an unstoppable force. His voice adds to the intensity and chillness of it.
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2:22PM on 12/20/2011
Here's how I see this.
French is my language, I dont get to use English that much. I watch movies in their original English language. But since it isn't my first language, I have sometimes a hard time understand different accents (British, Australian, etc...) But after I get into the movie, after a while, I don't notice the accent anymore, and I understand it easily. I think it's the same thing with Bane. He'll be hard to understand at first, but then you'll get used to his voice and
Here's how I see this.
French is my language, I dont get to use English that much. I watch movies in their original English language. But since it isn't my first language, I have sometimes a hard time understand different accents (British, Australian, etc...) But after I get into the movie, after a while, I don't notice the accent anymore, and I understand it easily. I think it's the same thing with Bane. He'll be hard to understand at first, but then you'll get used to his voice and understand everything. Even I understood what he said in the fucking trailer. So come on.
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2:25PM on 12/20/2011
Any guess as to what his origin might be from his accent? I've heard British and German.. But I don't know.
Any guess as to what his origin might be from his accent? I've heard British and German.. But I don't know.
2:51PM on 12/20/2011
Its not the accent thats the problem. Ive seen plenty of Tom Hardy films and have no problems with his speaking ability its the mask he's wearing that makes it tough.
Its not the accent thats the problem. Ive seen plenty of Tom Hardy films and have no problems with his speaking ability its the mask he's wearing that makes it tough.
2:59PM on 12/20/2011
I think I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't talking about his accent, I was just making an analogy with accents in general. I know the issue isn't the accent, but the deal is the same. After a while, you'll get used to it and find yourself understand everything he is saying without having to pay more attention.
I think I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't talking about his accent, I was just making an analogy with accents in general. I know the issue isn't the accent, but the deal is the same. After a while, you'll get used to it and find yourself understand everything he is saying without having to pay more attention.
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12:52PM on 12/20/2011
How is it that I understand Bane while watching a bootleg of the prologue with low quality pic and audio, but people complain they don't know what he's saying when they see him in a theater?
And this most recent trailer? It's pretty damn clear what he's saying.
If it changes, I'll be disappointed because that will have meant that Christopher Nolan compromised his vision and the character of Bane because of a bunch of whiners.
How is it that I understand Bane while watching a bootleg of the prologue with low quality pic and audio, but people complain they don't know what he's saying when they see him in a theater?
And this most recent trailer? It's pretty damn clear what he's saying.
If it changes, I'll be disappointed because that will have meant that Christopher Nolan compromised his vision and the character of Bane because of a bunch of whiners.
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1:03PM on 12/20/2011
I watched it with both my kids screaming and yelling in my ear about dragons and Batmans and understood every word Bane said. I can see how some people would have a hard time with it though, the way Bane talks reminds me of when my oldest first started talking in complete sentences.
I watched it with both my kids screaming and yelling in my ear about dragons and Batmans and understood every word Bane said. I can see how some people would have a hard time with it though, the way Bane talks reminds me of when my oldest first started talking in complete sentences.
1:49PM on 12/21/2011
I understood Bane in Batman and Robin. Didn't he just say Bane all the time?
I understood Bane in Batman and Robin. Didn't he just say Bane all the time?
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11:31PM on 12/20/2011
Personally I understood Bane completely. But for those who didn't, I would like to think the tinkering in post-production will do the job for everyone.
Personally I understood Bane completely. But for those who didn't, I would like to think the tinkering in post-production will do the job for everyone.
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6:58PM on 12/20/2011
I hope there isn't a scene with heavy dialogue between Batman and Bane, because you won't understand what the hell is going on.. It's gonna sound like two of those guys Charlie Brown talks to on the phone arguing
I hope there isn't a scene with heavy dialogue between Batman and Bane, because you won't understand what the hell is going on.. It's gonna sound like two of those guys Charlie Brown talks to on the phone arguing
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4:44PM on 12/20/2011

Bane

After seeing the prologue in IMAX this past weekend, I can say that there is nothing wrong with the voice. People need to understand that it's all the sound in the background that making it hard to understand what he is saying. So Nolan saying that he is only tweaking it (ex. raising the volume of Bane's voice and lowering the background sound a bit) is fine by me. It's not like Bane is gonna be in a plane that's about to go tits up in every scene. It's just one scene.
After seeing the prologue in IMAX this past weekend, I can say that there is nothing wrong with the voice. People need to understand that it's all the sound in the background that making it hard to understand what he is saying. So Nolan saying that he is only tweaking it (ex. raising the volume of Bane's voice and lowering the background sound a bit) is fine by me. It's not like Bane is gonna be in a plane that's about to go tits up in every scene. It's just one scene.
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3:33PM on 12/20/2011

It's fine, give it up.

It's this huge thing stuck on his face. What would you expect?
It's this huge thing stuck on his face. What would you expect?
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2:57PM on 12/20/2011
Oh I got a question ... Could you guys understand everything John Hurt was saying in The Elephant Man ? I think not. Did that ruin the movie ? Definitely not, cause that was part of the character.

And before complaining about a trailer, why don't you wait till the movie comes out ? Nolan said he wouldn't go back and record it again, but was willing to tweak it a bit in editing. I'm sure it'll be fine by then. If you ain't happy just don't watch the damn movie.
Oh I got a question ... Could you guys understand everything John Hurt was saying in The Elephant Man ? I think not. Did that ruin the movie ? Definitely not, cause that was part of the character.

And before complaining about a trailer, why don't you wait till the movie comes out ? Nolan said he wouldn't go back and record it again, but was willing to tweak it a bit in editing. I'm sure it'll be fine by then. If you ain't happy just don't watch the damn movie.
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3:07PM on 12/20/2011
I could understand Hurt just fine in the Elephant Man.
I could understand Hurt just fine in the Elephant Man.
3:51PM on 12/20/2011
the elephant man, that's a good point
the elephant man, that's a good point
5:04PM on 12/20/2011
That's a really good comparison.
That's a really good comparison.
10:46AM on 12/21/2011
Here's where you're argument falls apart. Elephant Man was a small art-house film portraying a guy with an understandable speech impediment. Barely anything he said in the film was vital for the audience to understand since so much of it was told through the context of images.

DKR is billed to be one of the most widely seen movies ever where Bane, the lead villain, is propelling the entire conflict and conveying vital information to the story in his dialogue. As we saw in the prologue, he
Here's where you're argument falls apart. Elephant Man was a small art-house film portraying a guy with an understandable speech impediment. Barely anything he said in the film was vital for the audience to understand since so much of it was told through the context of images.

DKR is billed to be one of the most widely seen movies ever where Bane, the lead villain, is propelling the entire conflict and conveying vital information to the story in his dialogue. As we saw in the prologue, he talks to other characters as if they can comprehend every single word he says. Chris Nolan and everyone aboard the flick had the benefit of a script, so they already know what he's trying to say and can't really see the problem from the audiences perspective.

You think Star Wars would be the smash hit it is today if people back then had to strain to hear what Darth Vader was saying? This isn't about aesthetics or artistic integrity or any of that bullshit. This is about one guy unwilling to tweak his movie because to do so would be to admit a mistake he doesn't believe he made.
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12:53PM on 12/20/2011

Bane's Voice

I understand where people are going to want to clearly understand everyword that comes out of Bane's mouth. However Bane is wearing a big ass peice of metal in front of his mouth how good should the vocal quality really be? I dig how Bane's voice was in the trailer I hope they keep it the way it is.
I understand where people are going to want to clearly understand everyword that comes out of Bane's mouth. However Bane is wearing a big ass peice of metal in front of his mouth how good should the vocal quality really be? I dig how Bane's voice was in the trailer I hope they keep it the way it is.
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12:39PM on 12/20/2011

Hard to understand? Yes. Still awesome? Yes.

Okay I admit, Bane's dialogue is hard to understand. But the thing is, I like his voice, even without being able to understand most of it. Makes no sense, I get it, but it's just completely realistic for a guy with a gas-mask of some sort shoved into his throat to speak that way. There's a raw, powerful, mysterious quality to it. Then again if people don't get what he's saying, that mysticism will get very old, very fast. I think Nolan will fix it in post-pro and make his dialogue clearer while
Okay I admit, Bane's dialogue is hard to understand. But the thing is, I like his voice, even without being able to understand most of it. Makes no sense, I get it, but it's just completely realistic for a guy with a gas-mask of some sort shoved into his throat to speak that way. There's a raw, powerful, mysterious quality to it. Then again if people don't get what he's saying, that mysticism will get very old, very fast. I think Nolan will fix it in post-pro and make his dialogue clearer while maintaining the rawness of it. He's got 7-months, and post-production has been known to work miracles.
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6:44PM on 12/20/2011

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Well, we'll just have to go and see it abroad, where it'll all play with subtitles
Well, we'll just have to go and see it abroad, where it'll all play with subtitles
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2:34PM on 12/20/2011
Considering the publics millisecond attention span these days, I am sure a lot of people are just gonna tune out after a while just because they can't understand what the hell he is saying and text their friend about it in the theater so they can talk about it at great length. Then the people around the little asshole texting won't be able to focus on the movie because of this pricks phone, so they would pick up even less of what Bane is saying and then they will be taken out of the movie and
Considering the publics millisecond attention span these days, I am sure a lot of people are just gonna tune out after a while just because they can't understand what the hell he is saying and text their friend about it in the theater so they can talk about it at great length. Then the people around the little asshole texting won't be able to focus on the movie because of this pricks phone, so they would pick up even less of what Bane is saying and then they will be taken out of the movie and it will just be an unenjoyable experience for everybody.
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1:40PM on 12/20/2011
I had no problem understanding him.
I had no problem understanding him.
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1:07PM on 12/20/2011
keep the voice and add in subtitles... There you go i just fixed the problem
keep the voice and add in subtitles... There you go i just fixed the problem
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12:34PM on 12/20/2011

Personally...

I could only understand a few lines in the prologue but his line in the Trailer sounded much more clear. I think once they're done with post-production, things will be better presented.
I could only understand a few lines in the prologue but his line in the Trailer sounded much more clear. I think once they're done with post-production, things will be better presented.
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3:47AM on 12/21/2011
I really hope they change Michael Caine's voice! *irony*
I really hope they change Michael Caine's voice! *irony*
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3:18PM on 12/20/2011
I also understood what he said - even as a german. I like the sound of the voice a lot. First time a heard it I got the goosebumps!
I also understood what he said - even as a german. I like the sound of the voice a lot. First time a heard it I got the goosebumps!
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2:08PM on 12/20/2011

Voices

Did you also complain about Mickey in Snatch? You really can't understand a lot of what he says. And that's the point. Maybe it's just that your hearing is on par with your spelling and grammar skills most of the time.
Did you also complain about Mickey in Snatch? You really can't understand a lot of what he says. And that's the point. Maybe it's just that your hearing is on par with your spelling and grammar skills most of the time.
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12:42PM on 12/20/2011
I like the voice and the accent, just clean it up a little more.
I like the voice and the accent, just clean it up a little more.
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5:23PM on 12/20/2011
Urall makkkiiin abiggaadeel outtathiz thannyushuld
Urall makkkiiin abiggaadeel outtathiz thannyushuld
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2:57PM on 12/20/2011

It's a 200 million dollar movie

I sincerely doubt Christopher Nolan is going to release a movie where the villain is unintelligible, say what you want about Bale's Bat-Voice, but you could understand what he said. Nolan doesn't like to do ADR, but that doesn't mean he's going to use bad sound.
I sincerely doubt Christopher Nolan is going to release a movie where the villain is unintelligible, say what you want about Bale's Bat-Voice, but you could understand what he said. Nolan doesn't like to do ADR, but that doesn't mean he's going to use bad sound.
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1:39PM on 12/20/2011

I don't see the problem here...

Everyone was hard to understand during the prologue because it all takes place on a plane. Clearly, there wasn't a problem in the trailer understanding what he was saying. I think he sounds badass, and people constantly complaining about Batman's voice need to seriously get over it.
Everyone was hard to understand during the prologue because it all takes place on a plane. Clearly, there wasn't a problem in the trailer understanding what he was saying. I think he sounds badass, and people constantly complaining about Batman's voice need to seriously get over it.
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4:27PM on 12/21/2011
I missed the "Once Gotham is in ashes" part, so...it's still a problem even off the plane.
I missed the "Once Gotham is in ashes" part, so...it's still a problem even off the plane.
12:33PM on 12/20/2011
I don't understand why eveyone hates on Bale's Batman voice. He's supposed to change it a little bit so 1.) people would have problems thinking it's Wayne and 2.) Batman would be more intimidating.

Would you prefer he just took the Adam West or George Clooney route where he did nothing different and it was clear as day that Wayne was Batman?
I don't understand why eveyone hates on Bale's Batman voice. He's supposed to change it a little bit so 1.) people would have problems thinking it's Wayne and 2.) Batman would be more intimidating.

Would you prefer he just took the Adam West or George Clooney route where he did nothing different and it was clear as day that Wayne was Batman?
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12:36PM on 12/20/2011
its a movie, if clark kent taking off his glasses is enoughf or superman, you don't need some lame voice for people not to know your bruce wayne
its a movie, if clark kent taking off his glasses is enoughf or superman, you don't need some lame voice for people not to know your bruce wayne
12:41PM on 12/20/2011
yea, but everyone has always said that the Clark Kent/glasses thing was stupid, so you shoot your own theory in the foot.
yea, but everyone has always said that the Clark Kent/glasses thing was stupid, so you shoot your own theory in the foot.
10:07PM on 12/20/2011

Loyal much?

I'm very impressed with the loyalty of Nolan fans/disciples. Perhaps they are loyal to a fault.Even Peter denied Jesus 3 times. I mean, lets be real. The vast majority of people (those of us who's ears haven't been blessed by the Nolan)will not be able to understand everything of what Bane says. I'm all about this movie, but I am being absolutely objective here. This will no doubt be a great movie. However, I fear the muffled voice might take me out of the movie a bit. I really hope it
I'm very impressed with the loyalty of Nolan fans/disciples. Perhaps they are loyal to a fault.Even Peter denied Jesus 3 times. I mean, lets be real. The vast majority of people (those of us who's ears haven't been blessed by the Nolan)will not be able to understand everything of what Bane says. I'm all about this movie, but I am being absolutely objective here. This will no doubt be a great movie. However, I fear the muffled voice might take me out of the movie a bit. I really hope it doesn't. Only time will tell.
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4:16PM on 12/20/2011
I didn't have a hard time understanding him. I think some times people have a hard time understanding what people say in trailers, I know I do every now and then. However, I did not this time. Im also one of the few people who weren't bugged by Bale's batvoice.
I didn't have a hard time understanding him. I think some times people have a hard time understanding what people say in trailers, I know I do every now and then. However, I did not this time. Im also one of the few people who weren't bugged by Bale's batvoice.
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4:56PM on 12/20/2011
I understood him in the trailer completely, sure. But that was just one line--not exactly a good frame of reference. And if some people are having trouble understanding, then Nolan should consider his audience.

That said, I do surely trust him, and perhaps cleaning it up a bit in post-production will be enough.
I understood him in the trailer completely, sure. But that was just one line--not exactly a good frame of reference. And if some people are having trouble understanding, then Nolan should consider his audience.

That said, I do surely trust him, and perhaps cleaning it up a bit in post-production will be enough.
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2:15AM on 12/21/2011
I will undoubtedly see this film multiple times in theaters so I won't be really that upset if I don't catch every line verbatim the first time.
I will undoubtedly see this film multiple times in theaters so I won't be really that upset if I don't catch every line verbatim the first time.
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12:10AM on 12/21/2011
i hope the tweak helps. its annoying when some one talks and you cant make out what theyre saying. an entire movie with that? bad ( and its not because of the trailer. i went to see the 6min imax.the garbled lines are much worse in it) - if he doesnt need to be understood, then why bother to give him lines? why not have henchman do the talking and have a silent badguy? then when he actually speaks a few lines in a tense moment its that much more effective. or better yet, take a page from the
i hope the tweak helps. its annoying when some one talks and you cant make out what theyre saying. an entire movie with that? bad ( and its not because of the trailer. i went to see the 6min imax.the garbled lines are much worse in it) - if he doesnt need to be understood, then why bother to give him lines? why not have henchman do the talking and have a silent badguy? then when he actually speaks a few lines in a tense moment its that much more effective. or better yet, take a page from the arkham city game and do banes voice that way.

on the bright side, if he doesnt change it, theres going to be some really funny spoofs from this.
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1:37PM on 12/20/2011
I don't mind the voice at all and I think he'll tweak it enough, maybe not perfectly, but I don't think people should be up in arms over it. I only had a couple issues in the prologue after the plane doors were open, but I caught everything. Bane is a very physical character, maybe Nolan wants that aspect to speak for itself, though I do like the vague kind of Blofeld, twangy Dr. Evil voice he has going on.
I don't mind the voice at all and I think he'll tweak it enough, maybe not perfectly, but I don't think people should be up in arms over it. I only had a couple issues in the prologue after the plane doors were open, but I caught everything. Bane is a very physical character, maybe Nolan wants that aspect to speak for itself, though I do like the vague kind of Blofeld, twangy Dr. Evil voice he has going on.
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12:22PM on 12/20/2011

I've had no problem with Bale's voice in the previous films...

And I understood his line with no problem from the trailer. However it does concern me if he keeps it exactly like it was in the prologue. I couldn't make out a single word he said during it both because of the noisy atmosphere and the mask aspect. I want to hear every word of his dialogue so we'll see what happens. All he'd have to do is amplify it a bit or bring the surrounding noise down a little.
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And I understood his line with no problem from the trailer. However it does concern me if he keeps it exactly like it was in the prologue. I couldn't make out a single word he said during it both because of the noisy atmosphere and the mask aspect. I want to hear every word of his dialogue so we'll see what happens. All he'd have to do is amplify it a bit or bring the surrounding noise down a little.
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12:37PM on 12/20/2011
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I really dont understand what all the griping is about i had no problems understanding what bane was saying. I caught it the first time. Its not really hard to hear or understand what hes saying just open your ears!
I really dont understand what all the griping is about i had no problems understanding what bane was saying. I caught it the first time. Its not really hard to hear or understand what hes saying just open your ears!
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10:35PM on 12/20/2011
Took me a while, but I got accustomed to it. I doubt Nolan has anything to worry about, since the same people who keep bitching about it will still end up lining up opening day.
Took me a while, but I got accustomed to it. I doubt Nolan has anything to worry about, since the same people who keep bitching about it will still end up lining up opening day.
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3:40PM on 12/20/2011
It's easy for Nolan to understand what Bane is saying because he has the script in front of him. What I mean is, when i first watched the trailer I couldn't completely understand what Bane said. Then I read some comments that explained what Bane said, then i watched the trailer again, and having known what he said from the comments I read, I was then able to understand what he said clearly. I wonder if Nolan might be a victim of this. Or maybe he does realize it might be hard for other
It's easy for Nolan to understand what Bane is saying because he has the script in front of him. What I mean is, when i first watched the trailer I couldn't completely understand what Bane said. Then I read some comments that explained what Bane said, then i watched the trailer again, and having known what he said from the comments I read, I was then able to understand what he said clearly. I wonder if Nolan might be a victim of this. Or maybe he does realize it might be hard for other people to understand and he just doesn't care.
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2:50PM on 12/20/2011
Yes some people understand Bane and a lot of us dont. It has nothing to do with his accent. I agree with the article in that it will truly be a pain in the ass if I can't fully understand what the main villian of this film is saying. If Darth Vadar talked like he was eating shit and you couldnt understand him wouldnt you be pissed?
Yes some people understand Bane and a lot of us dont. It has nothing to do with his accent. I agree with the article in that it will truly be a pain in the ass if I can't fully understand what the main villian of this film is saying. If Darth Vadar talked like he was eating shit and you couldnt understand him wouldnt you be pissed?
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2:09PM on 12/20/2011

The Voice is how it should be

Theres no problem with Bane's voice. it adds more depth to the character, and more realism. Im Glad Nolan wants to leave it alone.
After about 5 minutes into the film, everyone will be able to understand Bane perfectly.
Theres no problem with Bane's voice. it adds more depth to the character, and more realism. Im Glad Nolan wants to leave it alone.
After about 5 minutes into the film, everyone will be able to understand Bane perfectly.
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2:05PM on 12/20/2011
If it takes me out of the story only getting a few words of his sentences then that will completely take me out of being interested in what this character has to say.

And besides, Darth Vader had a mask on and I could understand everything that man said, and that shit was poetry! Except for that whole "NOO" thang.
If it takes me out of the story only getting a few words of his sentences then that will completely take me out of being interested in what this character has to say.

And besides, Darth Vader had a mask on and I could understand everything that man said, and that shit was poetry! Except for that whole "NOO" thang.
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1:50PM on 12/20/2011
I do want to hear the voice, but hearing it in the prologue, to be honest, I liked the creepy, almost "smokers speaking from their throat" voice. I didn't get used to it at first, but I might be able to like it. And as for the extra tidbit, Bale's voice in Begins wasn't as bad as Dark Knight.
I do want to hear the voice, but hearing it in the prologue, to be honest, I liked the creepy, almost "smokers speaking from their throat" voice. I didn't get used to it at first, but I might be able to like it. And as for the extra tidbit, Bale's voice in Begins wasn't as bad as Dark Knight.
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1:12PM on 12/20/2011

The Voice.

I watched the bootlegged version of the prologue, which someone had pretty clearly shot on a cell phone, and I didn't really have a difficult time understanding him. I thought the effect of his voice was pretty cool.

That said, isn't Nolan shortchanging himself by saying that the dialog isn't all that important? The Joker's dialog is part of what made DK so special. If someone were to miss the "When Gotham is in ashes..." part of that dialog exchange, it would be a pretty big deal in regard
I watched the bootlegged version of the prologue, which someone had pretty clearly shot on a cell phone, and I didn't really have a difficult time understanding him. I thought the effect of his voice was pretty cool.

That said, isn't Nolan shortchanging himself by saying that the dialog isn't all that important? The Joker's dialog is part of what made DK so special. If someone were to miss the "When Gotham is in ashes..." part of that dialog exchange, it would be a pretty big deal in regard to their enjoyment and comprehension of the film.
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1:06PM on 12/20/2011
personally i didnt have a problem,

although i dont want batman keep saying "pardon what was that"
personally i didnt have a problem,

although i dont want batman keep saying "pardon what was that"
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1:06PM on 12/20/2011

LOL

Don't worry Tassi. It is just your brain adjusting to a quality film. You'll get it eventually dont worry little guy.
Don't worry Tassi. It is just your brain adjusting to a quality film. You'll get it eventually dont worry little guy.
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11:16AM on 12/22/2011
People just need to pay attention to the sounds around them. Turn down your music, enjoy some silence every once in a while, and pay attention to what it is that you actually want to listen to.

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People just need to pay attention to the sounds around them. Turn down your music, enjoy some silence every once in a while, and pay attention to what it is that you actually want to listen to.

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2:24PM on 12/20/2011

I like it...

So far I'm pretty hip to everything I've seen with bane, including the voice. Sure its not super clear and with background noise/score it might be tough to make everything out every word but not to the extent people have been complaining. Either way, it worked for me.
So far I'm pretty hip to everything I've seen with bane, including the voice. Sure its not super clear and with background noise/score it might be tough to make everything out every word but not to the extent people have been complaining. Either way, it worked for me.
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1:41PM on 12/20/2011

Probably just me overthinking this...

But, he's a criminal mastermind. Whatever happened to him to make him wear the mask, he isn't going to see the top people in the field of medicine that will fit him with something usable and sound good. It goes with his background that he just had something put on his head that lets him live and "speak". Leave it as is. If I could understand him clearly through that mask, it wouldn't be believeable as a character.
But, he's a criminal mastermind. Whatever happened to him to make him wear the mask, he isn't going to see the top people in the field of medicine that will fit him with something usable and sound good. It goes with his background that he just had something put on his head that lets him live and "speak". Leave it as is. If I could understand him clearly through that mask, it wouldn't be believeable as a character.
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5:53PM on 12/20/2011
Scarecrow has a mask on and we understood him very clearly.
Scarecrow has a mask on and we understood him very clearly.
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6:19PM on 12/20/2011
More like a bag on his face.
More like a bag on his face.
2:55PM on 12/20/2011
For me it was "When Gotham is in ashes, you something something die."

And for that little clip, it wasn't so bad. I actually like that he sounds like a guy wearing a mask. I think Nolan is walking a tightrope here. If he can make Bane sound clear without a whole heck of a lot of post-dubbing, then terrific. But telling people it isn't important to hear everything the man says sounds smug to me. I like Nolan, but I can imagine a world not long from now when he becomes the new guy to hate,
For me it was "When Gotham is in ashes, you something something die."

And for that little clip, it wasn't so bad. I actually like that he sounds like a guy wearing a mask. I think Nolan is walking a tightrope here. If he can make Bane sound clear without a whole heck of a lot of post-dubbing, then terrific. But telling people it isn't important to hear everything the man says sounds smug to me. I like Nolan, but I can imagine a world not long from now when he becomes the new guy to hate, mainly because everyone loves him, and, like Batman, he can only go so long before the audience begins to turn.
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2:17PM on 12/20/2011

Nolan is a brilliant filmmaker/auteur

But I'm on the fence about this, too. For me, it comes down to the initial decision to use a voice-obstructing device for the character. It may be integral to the character, but was the end result (audience watching in theater) kept in mind? Nolan's a ridiculously smart dude with a great team, so it's more likely this was considered..
Nolan is right about conveying the overall point of a scene without dialogue. I got the gist of the prologue from the action happening around the characters,
But I'm on the fence about this, too. For me, it comes down to the initial decision to use a voice-obstructing device for the character. It may be integral to the character, but was the end result (audience watching in theater) kept in mind? Nolan's a ridiculously smart dude with a great team, so it's more likely this was considered..
Nolan is right about conveying the overall point of a scene without dialogue. I got the gist of the prologue from the action happening around the characters, so to me, he succeeded. However, what's the purpose of even putting dialogue on screen if the audience cannot (fully) understand it? Why not have Bane just silent through these parts?
In any case, I get that it's much more authentic to get less than crystal clear quality with the mask/breathing apparatus, but at what cost will this frustrate moviegoers? Yes, it could be the IMAX sound, too. The prologue was much harder to grasp than the trailer. IMAX sound coupled with the loud plane.. Yeah, maybe we're all overthinking this. But there's that big brawl on the steps, right? Won't that be loud, too?
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1:05PM on 12/20/2011

Gotta remember as well....

He's still got months of post-production left to finish. The prologue we saw wasn't even finished yet really.
He's still got months of post-production left to finish. The prologue we saw wasn't even finished yet really.
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12:55PM on 12/20/2011
While I do think it's a bit arrogant to say that he's not going to change a thing despite the division of audiences, I have to think that Nolan knows what he's doing. To think that he wouldn't be aware of the problems with the voice seems a bit silly.
While I do think it's a bit arrogant to say that he's not going to change a thing despite the division of audiences, I have to think that Nolan knows what he's doing. To think that he wouldn't be aware of the problems with the voice seems a bit silly.
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12:48PM on 12/20/2011
thank you for telling me what the second half of what Bane said in the trailer was! As opposed to you, i only understood the first part "When gotham is in ashes" but the second part, I did not catch at all in the 3 times I watched the trailer!

I'll enjoy the movie numerous times in theaters, and then on Blu Ray, I'll just watch it with the subtitles on!
thank you for telling me what the second half of what Bane said in the trailer was! As opposed to you, i only understood the first part "When gotham is in ashes" but the second part, I did not catch at all in the 3 times I watched the trailer!

I'll enjoy the movie numerous times in theaters, and then on Blu Ray, I'll just watch it with the subtitles on!
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12:41PM on 12/20/2011
Not only could I not understand a word from the prologue, but it also seemed like Tom Hardy was channeling Vulturo from Harvey Birdman as opposed to using his naturally creepy sibilant voice.
Not only could I not understand a word from the prologue, but it also seemed like Tom Hardy was channeling Vulturo from Harvey Birdman as opposed to using his naturally creepy sibilant voice.
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10:12AM on 01/02/2012
I love it how people go crazy over the stupidest things..His movie he can do whatever the fuck he wants...im sure it will be the film of the year for most critics 2012
I love it how people go crazy over the stupidest things..His movie he can do whatever the fuck he wants...im sure it will be the film of the year for most critics 2012
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6:49PM on 12/21/2011

dont change a thing

im fine with it and it seems to me that people are just hating on it cause its TDKR. i remembered the stupid hate that TDK got about "major plot holes" and now people like drexxel dont even understand any line in the trailer.... just stfu already
im fine with it and it seems to me that people are just hating on it cause its TDKR. i remembered the stupid hate that TDK got about "major plot holes" and now people like drexxel dont even understand any line in the trailer.... just stfu already
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2:37AM on 12/21/2011
maybe fanboys just need to lay off the weed or something because i could very clearly understand what Bane said in the trailer.
maybe fanboys just need to lay off the weed or something because i could very clearly understand what Bane said in the trailer.
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12:51AM on 12/21/2011
I had a lot of faith in Nolan regarding this movie. After watching the trailer I knew that he was a genius becuase this film really does look spectacular. But, this is a huge mistake not to fix Bane's voice. Batman's voice in the previous films have been annoying, but they have still been understandable. Bane on the other hand, judging by the trailer and audience reactions from the 8-min prologue, is completely incomprehensible. It took me 4 times to watch it and then i finally understand the
I had a lot of faith in Nolan regarding this movie. After watching the trailer I knew that he was a genius becuase this film really does look spectacular. But, this is a huge mistake not to fix Bane's voice. Batman's voice in the previous films have been annoying, but they have still been understandable. Bane on the other hand, judging by the trailer and audience reactions from the 8-min prologue, is completely incomprehensible. It took me 4 times to watch it and then i finally understand the one line he said in the trailer. I really dont get why Nolan would say audiences dont need to understand every word he says. Well then why have him talk!? Instead they shouldve just made him silent if it was all supposed to be conveyed as a big meaning instead of actual dialogue. Im getting worried
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1:09PM on 12/20/2011
This might be a record-breaking thing for the Open Captioned showings.
This might be a record-breaking thing for the Open Captioned showings.
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1:02PM on 12/20/2011
What does he mean by he is gonna tweak the dialogue in editing?
What does he mean by he is gonna tweak the dialogue in editing?
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12:22PM on 12/20/2011
Yeah, because not being able to understand a character really hurt the Usual Supects and Snatch from being quality movies. I'm still more annoyed by batman's voice then banes. But yeah, WB is right, this movie is destined to make no money now :)
Yeah, because not being able to understand a character really hurt the Usual Supects and Snatch from being quality movies. I'm still more annoyed by batman's voice then banes. But yeah, WB is right, this movie is destined to make no money now :)
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6:47PM on 12/20/2011

That could become a huge problem

Catwoman's costume is already extremely divisive. If people can't understand what Bane says either, a significant portion of the audience could end up not liking the film at all.
Catwoman's costume is already extremely divisive. If people can't understand what Bane says either, a significant portion of the audience could end up not liking the film at all.
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7:02PM on 12/20/2011
Catwoman's costume?? What about Bane.. He looks nothing like him
Catwoman's costume?? What about Bane.. He looks nothing like him
9:35AM on 12/21/2011
I honestly have no problem with Bane's costume. Once you realize Nolan could not use the "chemicals attached to his back" aspect, the only thing that mattered was the mask and they had it right. And Hardy is as big an actor you can have without compromising in the talent department.As for the Catwoman costume, it bothers me because it doesn't fit in the universe Nolan created.
I honestly have no problem with Bane's costume. Once you realize Nolan could not use the "chemicals attached to his back" aspect, the only thing that mattered was the mask and they had it right. And Hardy is as big an actor you can have without compromising in the talent department.As for the Catwoman costume, it bothers me because it doesn't fit in the universe Nolan created.
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2:01PM on 12/20/2011

We never had a problem understanding Darth Vader...

Bane sounds a lot like Sean Connery. He should randomly call people Moneypenny. No one would know what he was saying anyway...
Bane sounds a lot like Sean Connery. He should randomly call people Moneypenny. No one would know what he was saying anyway...
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4:08PM on 12/20/2011
i can't tell if you're trying to be funny and failing or if you're just plain dumb.
i can't tell if you're trying to be funny and failing or if you're just plain dumb.
1:24PM on 12/20/2011
I'm kinda on the fence about the whole situation. I wasn't the prologue (a very crappy quality) and at first I couldn't understand a damn word he said. But after rewatching it about 4 times I understood more and more with each viewing. In the trailer I understood his line right away, but this was after watching the prologue so I think I was more used to it. I think once people hear more of it and know what to look for in his speech than they will understand him better.

I like that Nolan is
I'm kinda on the fence about the whole situation. I wasn't the prologue (a very crappy quality) and at first I couldn't understand a damn word he said. But after rewatching it about 4 times I understood more and more with each viewing. In the trailer I understood his line right away, but this was after watching the prologue so I think I was more used to it. I think once people hear more of it and know what to look for in his speech than they will understand him better.

I like that Nolan is sticking to his artistic choice. After all it's not a movie damaging fault, atleast not to me. The worse that will come of it is that people are forced to rewatch the movie to catch everything and what's wrong with that??
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9:59PM on 12/20/2011

What?

To quote my good friend Shia the Beef, "No, no, no, no, no!" As a lot of people have pointed out, Bane wears a big mask on his face that presumably affects his voice, right? Well, come on, we already have a perfect model for how to do this RIGHT in a film: "Santa Claws." Maybe if we rally together and get a million signatures and stuff we can have just the parts of Bane's dialogue we can't hear re-recorded. I mean, once again looking to the genius of "Santa Claws," it's not like it would cost
To quote my good friend Shia the Beef, "No, no, no, no, no!" As a lot of people have pointed out, Bane wears a big mask on his face that presumably affects his voice, right? Well, come on, we already have a perfect model for how to do this RIGHT in a film: "Santa Claws." Maybe if we rally together and get a million signatures and stuff we can have just the parts of Bane's dialogue we can't hear re-recorded. I mean, once again looking to the genius of "Santa Claws," it's not like it would cost anything because paying Tom Hardy to come in is really unnecessary--ask anybody on the street if they want their name in the TDKR credits and they'll do it for free!
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3:46PM on 12/20/2011
Think about it this way: do you think that the interrogation room scene between Batman and The Joker could have the same kind of impact as it did if It was Batman and Bane talking like this instead?
Think about it this way: do you think that the interrogation room scene between Batman and The Joker could have the same kind of impact as it did if It was Batman and Bane talking like this instead?
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4:17PM on 12/20/2011
No but it's the Joker, most of his impact is in what he says. We are talking about Bane here, Batman wouldn't be throwing him around in that scene, it would have been very different.
No but it's the Joker, most of his impact is in what he says. We are talking about Bane here, Batman wouldn't be throwing him around in that scene, it would have been very different.
12:18PM on 12/20/2011
Couldn't understand a word. I had a hard time hearing the japanese guy from inception too.
These 2 voices plus batman strange's voice makes me think Nolan's tone deaf.
Couldn't understand a word. I had a hard time hearing the japanese guy from inception too.
These 2 voices plus batman strange's voice makes me think Nolan's tone deaf.
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12:41PM on 12/20/2011
Either that or you have a really hard time paying attention.
Either that or you have a really hard time paying attention.
1:24AM on 12/21/2011
Or maybe I'm not a blind (or in this case deaf) fanboy.
Or maybe I'm not a blind (or in this case deaf) fanboy.
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7:21PM on 12/20/2011

Stubborn

I couldn't understand one friggin' thing Bane said in the prologue and it's making me lose my excitement for the movie as a whole. I love Nolan, but this awful "choice" is just plain lame.
I couldn't understand one friggin' thing Bane said in the prologue and it's making me lose my excitement for the movie as a whole. I love Nolan, but this awful "choice" is just plain lame.
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6:57PM on 12/20/2011

WHo gives a fuck...

Seriously your all bitchin over that. There's more important things in life to deal with then if you can or can't hear Banes voice.
Seriously your all bitchin over that. There's more important things in life to deal with then if you can or can't hear Banes voice.
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1:41PM on 12/20/2011

sound in IMAX theaters

I hate to sound like a broken record, but I believe the biggest hurtle is the surround sound systems IMAX theaters across the country. They were not built with Movies in mind so if Warners is able to work with theaters on that it'll make a huge difference I think.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I believe the biggest hurtle is the surround sound systems IMAX theaters across the country. They were not built with Movies in mind so if Warners is able to work with theaters on that it'll make a huge difference I think.
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1:52PM on 12/20/2011
I think this is a bad idea.. but I'm now really happy that I live in Denmark and get my movies with subtitles! :)
I think this is a bad idea.. but I'm now really happy that I live in Denmark and get my movies with subtitles! :)
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5:15PM on 12/20/2011
I had the same problem with TDK. The music drowned out some audio for me. But it was mainly background audio though.
I had the same problem with TDK. The music drowned out some audio for me. But it was mainly background audio though.
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12:00PM on 12/21/2011

To be fair...

...I cranked up the volume and paid very close attention to the trailer 5 times. Here are the lines that STILL are unintelligible:

Some guy: "The mayor's [unintelligible] in the Spring..."

Bruce Wayne looking at the Escher room: "[Unintelligible]" ("Whose are these"? "Where's that lead"?)

Alfred, in response to the above line: "[Unintelligible]" ("Fries"? "Bryce"?)

And, of course, since I *know* Bane's line now, it's not fair to compare it, but still, here's all I heard:
...I cranked up the volume and paid very close attention to the trailer 5 times. Here are the lines that STILL are unintelligible:

Some guy: "The mayor's [unintelligible] in the Spring..."

Bruce Wayne looking at the Escher room: "[Unintelligible]" ("Whose are these"? "Where's that lead"?)

Alfred, in response to the above line: "[Unintelligible]" ("Fries"? "Bryce"?)

And, of course, since I *know* Bane's line now, it's not fair to compare it, but still, here's all I heard: "When Gotham's....ashes, you have..."

And also, the chanting. No clue what they are chanting at all. Maybe "this is our time"? Maybe "this is all, all"?

This is more than Bane, it's about the mumbling of all the actors. Something a director should've caught during filming :(

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6:51PM on 12/21/2011
thanks for proving my point, lay off the drugs pal.
thanks for proving my point, lay off the drugs pal.
10:48AM on 12/22/2011
"The mayor's GOING TO DUMP HIM in the spring."

Bruce Wayne's response to chanting "What does it mean?" NOT ALFRED's (seriously, the dude has an American accent, not Cockney English) response "Rise."

And Bane says "When Gotham's ashes, you have my permission to die." I got that on the my first viewing of the trailer. His voice and breath sound laboured but his dialogue is intelligible, you just need to actually LISTEN.

People really just need to use their ears a little more.
"The mayor's GOING TO DUMP HIM in the spring."

Bruce Wayne's response to chanting "What does it mean?" NOT ALFRED's (seriously, the dude has an American accent, not Cockney English) response "Rise."

And Bane says "When Gotham's ashes, you have my permission to die." I got that on the my first viewing of the trailer. His voice and breath sound laboured but his dialogue is intelligible, you just need to actually LISTEN.

People really just need to use their ears a little more.
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4:10PM on 12/20/2011

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!!! I UNDERSTOOD PERFECTLY WHAT BANE WAS SAYING THE FIRST TIME I SAW THE TRAILER!!!!

stfu already to anyone saying this.
stfu already to anyone saying this.
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5:32PM on 12/21/2011
I never knew that the sound of an entire football field collapsing was quieter than a kitten's footfalls. Once again, Nolan has crafted something that demands more suspension of disbelief than it can support. Nauseating.
I never knew that the sound of an entire football field collapsing was quieter than a kitten's footfalls. Once again, Nolan has crafted something that demands more suspension of disbelief than it can support. Nauseating.
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6:17PM on 12/21/2011
Dude, the football field explosion will have sound! The audio was just cut out in the trailer because of the trailer music!
Dude, the football field explosion will have sound! The audio was just cut out in the trailer because of the trailer music!
6:43PM on 12/21/2011
this is the most idiotic thing ive ever seen! u do know a trailer doesnt have the same sound mix as the actual film right?
this is the most idiotic thing ive ever seen! u do know a trailer doesnt have the same sound mix as the actual film right?
4:00PM on 12/20/2011
I'm with you on this one, Paul. If he won't conform and change it to where the majority of the audience can understand, then he's doomed to fail. Of course he won't because of fanboys. I'm going to have a big problem with this if Bane does have a lot of vocal time in the movie. This isn't Kenny from SOUTH PARK for Christ's sakes, it's Batman. Bane's a weak character in the Rogue's Gallery anyway. Bring on the Cat.
I'm with you on this one, Paul. If he won't conform and change it to where the majority of the audience can understand, then he's doomed to fail. Of course he won't because of fanboys. I'm going to have a big problem with this if Bane does have a lot of vocal time in the movie. This isn't Kenny from SOUTH PARK for Christ's sakes, it's Batman. Bane's a weak character in the Rogue's Gallery anyway. Bring on the Cat.
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4:19PM on 12/20/2011
I scratching my at this. Are you judging by the previous incarnation of Bane in Batman and Robin? Because that was a complete bastardization of the character. Bane is smart, ruthless, and strong. He's everything that a Batman villian should be.
I scratching my at this. Are you judging by the previous incarnation of Bane in Batman and Robin? Because that was a complete bastardization of the character. Bane is smart, ruthless, and strong. He's everything that a Batman villian should be.
4:59PM on 12/20/2011
Honestly I think Bane's a way cooler villain than Catwoman...
Honestly I think Bane's a way cooler villain than Catwoman...
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