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Chronicle's Michael B. Jordan responds to those Fantastic Four reboot casting rumors

May. 22, 2013by: Jesse Giroux

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At the beginning of the month there was a rumor circulating that Michael B. Jordan (CHRONICLE, HBO's The Sopranos and The Wire) was in talks to play the Human Torch in Josh Trank's reboot of THE FANTASTIC FOUR. There hasn't been any news confirming or denying the controversial rumor since but Empire Online caught up with Michael B. Jordan at the Cannes Film Festival (he stars in the film FRUITVALE STATION as shooting victim Oscar Grant) and asked the actor if he was going to be "painting a big blue four on his chest anytime soon." His response?

Not a very good poker face, eh? I wouldn't say that Michael B. Jordan is set in stone to play Johnny Storm but it definitely looks like he's at least been contacted about it and if I was a betting man I'd say there's a very high chance that Jordan he does end up in THE FANTASTIC FOUR. He's an interesting choice that might piss off a lot of fans of the comics but I think we should at least give the guy a shot.

THE FANTASTIC FOUR is scheduled to be released on March 6th, 2015.

Extra Tidbit: Do you think we'll get Dr. Doom again in THE FANTASTIC FOUR or a different villain?
Source: Empire Online

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8:59AM on 05/28/2013

Micahel DONT DO IT!!

This will be career suicide for this young man., If he wants to play a super hero than he needs to be someone that will really spark his talents like a Panther or .. even Night Thrasher! that would be a GREAT character . This would take to much of a hit. You cant go around changing HISTORICAL characters just to fill your Affirmative action quota" In COMIC films the 1st quality for cast should and always should be LIKENESS to the character. any hafl way good actor can play these roles cmon!
This will be career suicide for this young man., If he wants to play a super hero than he needs to be someone that will really spark his talents like a Panther or .. even Night Thrasher! that would be a GREAT character . This would take to much of a hit. You cant go around changing HISTORICAL characters just to fill your Affirmative action quota" In COMIC films the 1st quality for cast should and always should be LIKENESS to the character. any hafl way good actor can play these roles cmon! Stop this MADNESS .
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11:49PM on 05/23/2013

I got a crazy idea here:

Why not cast him as . . . wait for it . . . you know you're on the edge of your seat right now . . .



BLACK PANTHER!!!

I know: bring on the thumbs-down. :P

Seriously though, if they're planning on going black with the Storm siblings, then they could do a lot worse than Michael B. Jordan. Then again, I hope not because there are so many other worthy black superheroes that they could bring in, instead of altering already established characters.
Why not cast him as . . . wait for it . . . you know you're on the edge of your seat right now . . .



BLACK PANTHER!!!

I know: bring on the thumbs-down. :P

Seriously though, if they're planning on going black with the Storm siblings, then they could do a lot worse than Michael B. Jordan. Then again, I hope not because there are so many other worthy black superheroes that they could bring in, instead of altering already established characters.
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6:27PM on 05/24/2013
Again...Amen! And it stays well within the Fantastic Four domain.
Again...Amen! And it stays well within the Fantastic Four domain.
8:26PM on 05/23/2013

@ Jeff Knite: READ IT AGAIN.

By the sound of it, you've completely misinterpreted my post as being somehow racist, when in point of fact it is exactly the opposite. I'll say it again: I have no problem with a traditionally "white" character being played by a black actor, as long as they're a good actor and right for the role and the character's race doesn't fundamentally inform the character being played. However, for that to hold true, then I also don't have a problem with the converse; that a traditionally "black"
By the sound of it, you've completely misinterpreted my post as being somehow racist, when in point of fact it is exactly the opposite. I'll say it again: I have no problem with a traditionally "white" character being played by a black actor, as long as they're a good actor and right for the role and the character's race doesn't fundamentally inform the character being played. However, for that to hold true, then I also don't have a problem with the converse; that a traditionally "black" character can be played by a white actor so long as the same rules for character apply. THAT'S NOT RACISM. That's tolerance and equality, whether you're black, white, yellow, orange or blue. The colour of your skin DOESN'T MATTER.

If it comes to fruition, I have absolutely NO problem with Johnny Storm being played by Michael B Jordan. I think he's a great actor, I loved him in Chronicle, and I'm sure that he'll be great for whatever Josh Trank has in mind for the character. But my point was also that Johnny Storm and Sue are RELATED - they're brother and sister. And no casting news has yet surfaced about who will be playing Sue Storm. If she's also being played by a black actress and she's right for the role, then I'm all for that. But at this point, it seems that many people have assumed that Sue Storm is still white, which may not be the case; we just don't know. I hope that they don't ignore the fact that they're siblings in the movie, because the theme of "family" is so central to the idea of Fantastic Four in the first place. This whole issue seems to have opened up a discussion about whether a black actor can play the role of a traditionally white character, and my view is that as long as race isn't fundamentally essential to a character's motivations, then IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOUR THEY ARE. For example, I doubt you could cast Black Panther as a white guy and get away with it, because being black is a fundamental part of THE CHARACTER. (And no, I don't just mean the name, stupid.)

You're right, if character's races are being swapped out "just because" (by which I've taken your comment to mean providing equal opportunity employment for black actors) then yes, that's stupid. And racist. Your comment "Everything about that character is cool is BECAUSE HE IS BLACK" is fundamentally racist.

The very brief list of characters I provided isn't void - it's entirely the point. All of those characters were different races or genders previously - and yet all of those actors were chosen because they were RIGHT FOR THE CHARACTER.

Your other so-called points about Nick Fury "not being a superhero" or "minor characters or a stupid villain" make no sense whatsoever. In response to your closing argument, your entire post has actually made you sound ignorant because you can't readily discern the difference between racism and tolerance.
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11:52AM on 05/23/2013

Lotta racist stuff being said, followed by "i'm not racist"

good job joblo
good job joblo
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9:44AM on 05/23/2013

@ VanHogTrio+1 NOT RACISM

This has absolutely nothing to do with Racism. It's staying true to the character. I'm a Die Hard Blade fan, and I would be mortified if they made him a white guy with blond hair and blue eyes. Everything about that character that is cool is because he is black. I remember going to the cinema and feeling like I did when I first seen The Terminator. That Image is imbedded in my mind.

The reason I bring this up is because Vice Versa, Fantastic Four was one of the first comic series I got
This has absolutely nothing to do with Racism. It's staying true to the character. I'm a Die Hard Blade fan, and I would be mortified if they made him a white guy with blond hair and blue eyes. Everything about that character that is cool is because he is black. I remember going to the cinema and feeling like I did when I first seen The Terminator. That Image is imbedded in my mind.

The reason I bring this up is because Vice Versa, Fantastic Four was one of the first comic series I got into, and it was like this corny whitebread family who all of a sudden became super-human. I'm originally from the Bronx and grew up in the urban environment so to see this corny (to me at the time) family of white folks become this Extraordinary Family of Super Heroes was cool. Johnny Storm was a white boy with blond hair and blue eyes, that's what I remember and that's what I would like to see on the big screen portrayed properly.

Now if we're just going to be swapping out Iconic characters race, gender and skin color just because, that's just stupid. And your list of characters that have changed race, color or gender is void because those are minor characters except for Nick Fury who has become a household name because of the Marvel films. But he's not a Super Hero. I think it makes more of an impact when it's an Iconic Superhero as opposed to a minor character or a stupid villain like Electro, who nobody cares about. Also, they made Nick Fury black in the comics like 20 years ago. And the white Nick Fury was not that popular. When they modeled him after Samuel Jackson in the comics is when he became a fan favorite.

So stop with all the racism bullshit. It's pointless and makes you sound ignorant.
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10:38AM on 05/23/2013
next thing you know they will swap each characters gender, Mrs Fantastic, Invisible Man.
next thing you know they will swap each characters gender, Mrs Fantastic, Invisible Man.
8:01PM on 05/23/2013
See above.
See above.
9:11AM on 05/23/2013
Hey guys, I know this is going to totally sound crazy but maybe, just maybe, the reason why the filmmakers want to cast him in the role of Johnny Storm is because he is in fact a really good actor. I know right?
Hey guys, I know this is going to totally sound crazy but maybe, just maybe, the reason why the filmmakers want to cast him in the role of Johnny Storm is because he is in fact a really good actor. I know right?
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11:50AM on 05/23/2013
NAHHHHHHHHH, good actors don't get casted for good role's now a days. What universe are you from?
NAHHHHHHHHH, good actors don't get casted for good role's now a days. What universe are you from?
8:09PM on 05/23/2013
EXACTLY
EXACTLY
11:21PM on 05/22/2013

TRIPLE POST

Oh my sweet lord. What is up with the website guys?
Oh my sweet lord. What is up with the website guys?
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11:21PM on 05/22/2013

Like Michael Jackson once said...

Perry White
Nick Fury
Jenny-Jimmy Olsen
Electro
Heimdall
Red (Morgan Freeman in Shawshank... in the book he's Irish!)
Prince Of Persia
Jackie Brown (in the book she's white!)
Perry White
Nick Fury
Jenny-Jimmy Olsen
Electro
Heimdall
Red (Morgan Freeman in Shawshank... in the book he's Irish!)
Prince Of Persia
Jackie Brown (in the book she's white!)
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11:19PM on 05/22/2013

Here's the thing:

I don't care if you make a character a different race, hell, make them a different species for all I care, as long as race isn't a primary characteristic and fundamentally important to the character's underlying motivations. I think the problem that many people (including me) might have with this is nobody knows if Sue Storm is going to be white or black. Get Zoe Saldana to play her and I think everyone will get on the bandwagon. Family is a critical underlying theme of FF and to ignore the
I don't care if you make a character a different race, hell, make them a different species for all I care, as long as race isn't a primary characteristic and fundamentally important to the character's underlying motivations. I think the problem that many people (including me) might have with this is nobody knows if Sue Storm is going to be white or black. Get Zoe Saldana to play her and I think everyone will get on the bandwagon. Family is a critical underlying theme of FF and to ignore the fact that Johnny & Sue are actual siblings (not adopted or something) would be, I feel, a big mistake.
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11:15PM on 05/22/2013
Make all the actors black. Then it will be a superhero version of The Wiz.
Make all the actors black. Then it will be a superhero version of The Wiz.
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7:41PM on 05/22/2013

Racism...bah!

Who cares if he's a black dude? As long as Sue is played by a black chick (ya know, cuz they're siblings), then the character can still be the same dude. If he does end up being the only black actor in the main cast, then at least he's not The Thing. The only black guy getting turned into a rock monster in the first twenty minutes of the film might not send the best message.
Who cares if he's a black dude? As long as Sue is played by a black chick (ya know, cuz they're siblings), then the character can still be the same dude. If he does end up being the only black actor in the main cast, then at least he's not The Thing. The only black guy getting turned into a rock monster in the first twenty minutes of the film might not send the best message.
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8:01PM on 05/22/2013
SIDE NOTE: Anybody remember Spawn? And how they changed Terry into a white guy? And how they replaced Chapel with a white girl in a stupid lookin' costume? I don't recall a big stink about that. Maybe it's because Spawn sucked...yeah, that.
SIDE NOTE: Anybody remember Spawn? And how they changed Terry into a white guy? And how they replaced Chapel with a white girl in a stupid lookin' costume? I don't recall a big stink about that. Maybe it's because Spawn sucked...yeah, that.
11:14PM on 05/22/2013
Definitely because Spawn sucked.
Definitely because Spawn sucked.
10:27AM on 05/23/2013
About Spawn, you should watch the director's cut: FAR BETTER...
And I think the lack of reaction was mostly because the almost absence of blogs, and internet fan sites, at the time...
About Spawn, you should watch the director's cut: FAR BETTER...
And I think the lack of reaction was mostly because the almost absence of blogs, and internet fan sites, at the time...
8:04PM on 05/23/2013
Nah... I saw it again earlier this year. It sucked. I didn't even get halfway through.
Nah... I saw it again earlier this year. It sucked. I didn't even get halfway through.
6:43PM on 05/22/2013
Im hoping this will fall apart cause Marvel needs the rights back so we can see Doom go against some other heroes. I wouldnt mind seeing Iron Man throw down with him. Im already hoping Kingpin will pop up somewhere
Im hoping this will fall apart cause Marvel needs the rights back so we can see Doom go against some other heroes. I wouldnt mind seeing Iron Man throw down with him. Im already hoping Kingpin will pop up somewhere
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5:11PM on 05/22/2013
Double post :(
Double post :(
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5:02PM on 05/22/2013
This is how I see it, I love the FF, arguably my favorite comic off all time, I have an image in my head of these characters and how they look and for majority of their history in comics they pretty much have always looked the same. There is a certain feeling of awesomeness when you see these characters you love on the big screen, and the less they look like the characters you know, the less of that feeling of awesomeness you get.
This is how I see it, I love the FF, arguably my favorite comic off all time, I have an image in my head of these characters and how they look and for majority of their history in comics they pretty much have always looked the same. There is a certain feeling of awesomeness when you see these characters you love on the big screen, and the less they look like the characters you know, the less of that feeling of awesomeness you get.
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4:57PM on 05/22/2013

Nope.

Next up? Let's make Blade Asian! That would go well...and neither should this.
Next up? Let's make Blade Asian! That would go well...and neither should this.
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2:43AM on 05/23/2013
Make Blade asian for all I care, in fact if you wanted to reboot Blade that would be a good way to go. Being black has nothing to do with being Blade... only being a badass. Make him black, asian, samoan, russian, italian, french, whatever. Unless a character's race if of primary importance to them as a person and that of being a certain race fundamentally informs the story at hand then I say race all up for grabs as long as you stay true to the character.
Make Blade asian for all I care, in fact if you wanted to reboot Blade that would be a good way to go. Being black has nothing to do with being Blade... only being a badass. Make him black, asian, samoan, russian, italian, french, whatever. Unless a character's race if of primary importance to them as a person and that of being a certain race fundamentally informs the story at hand then I say race all up for grabs as long as you stay true to the character.
4:18PM on 05/22/2013
I don't feel Johnny's racial identity is a core part of his character. He is irresponsible, fun-loving, charming, and loyal. Whomever can bring these qualities to the screen along with a natural chemistry with the other 3, is fine by me.
I don't feel Johnny's racial identity is a core part of his character. He is irresponsible, fun-loving, charming, and loyal. Whomever can bring these qualities to the screen along with a natural chemistry with the other 3, is fine by me.
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2:54PM on 05/22/2013
Nope. 100% against that. And yes, I was ok with the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3. The Mandarin made sense for the story they told in Iron Man 3. Some people may not like that twist and got upset with it and that I can understand 100% but me, I was ok with it. It just worked.
Now Johnny Storm is a white guy. Brother to Sue who also happens to be white. The Fantastic Four are Marvel's "first family" and have to be portrayed with the respect they deserve on the big screen and it looks like this
Nope. 100% against that. And yes, I was ok with the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3. The Mandarin made sense for the story they told in Iron Man 3. Some people may not like that twist and got upset with it and that I can understand 100% but me, I was ok with it. It just worked.
Now Johnny Storm is a white guy. Brother to Sue who also happens to be white. The Fantastic Four are Marvel's "first family" and have to be portrayed with the respect they deserve on the big screen and it looks like this new movie will be more of the same disrespect.
I would love, LOVE!!!! to see the shit storm (no pun intended) if they cast a white actor to play Luke Cage or T'Challa.
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2:41PM on 05/22/2013
Skin color shouldn't matter. Anyone can be a superhero.
Except when it comes to iconic big characters like Superman and Batman. Most Marvel characters can be anyone though.
Skin color shouldn't matter. Anyone can be a superhero.
Except when it comes to iconic big characters like Superman and Batman. Most Marvel characters can be anyone though.
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4:57PM on 05/22/2013
Sure, bring on an asian Bruce Banner, a native american Peter Parker, Reed Richards from India and a black Nick Fury (mmm...wait a minute).
Sure, bring on an asian Bruce Banner, a native american Peter Parker, Reed Richards from India and a black Nick Fury (mmm...wait a minute).
2:33PM on 05/22/2013
I'm not saying you're a racist if you have to start off by saying "I'm not a racist, BUT". It's just that it's completely unnecessary to state that as long as you don't say anything that's racist. That's all. Learn to articulate your non racist view point better and there's no need for it.
I'm not saying you're a racist if you have to start off by saying "I'm not a racist, BUT". It's just that it's completely unnecessary to state that as long as you don't say anything that's racist. That's all. Learn to articulate your non racist view point better and there's no need for it.
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2:32PM on 05/22/2013

@Soloist

Mr. Soloist, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Mr. Soloist, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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10:42AM on 05/23/2013
A billy Madison reference, Nice!
A billy Madison reference, Nice!
2:11PM on 05/22/2013

Fantastic Snore cash grab

Do the black community a favor and stop taking the easy patronizing way out by changing race and create some freggin new compelling super heros. Maybe if you douches didn't ALWAYS kill off solid black characters (I'm looking at you Chronicle) then maybe we could establish some franchises for leading black actors.
Do the black community a favor and stop taking the easy patronizing way out by changing race and create some freggin new compelling super heros. Maybe if you douches didn't ALWAYS kill off solid black characters (I'm looking at you Chronicle) then maybe we could establish some franchises for leading black actors.
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1:47PM on 05/22/2013
I wouldnt mind Johnny Storm being black, however it changes the whole family dynamic of the Fantastic Four (which is the centerpoint of the whole comic) and makes it unnecessary complicated.
I wouldnt mind Johnny Storm being black, however it changes the whole family dynamic of the Fantastic Four (which is the centerpoint of the whole comic) and makes it unnecessary complicated.
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1:53PM on 05/22/2013
I'd love an example of how his black skin will change the dynamic. Anyone? Maybe you think he'll have to smoke menthol's, owe money to the other three, always be making jokes about how big his dick is. He'll wear giant headphones blaring hip hop. Seriously.
I'd love an example of how his black skin will change the dynamic. Anyone? Maybe you think he'll have to smoke menthol's, owe money to the other three, always be making jokes about how big his dick is. He'll wear giant headphones blaring hip hop. Seriously.
2:14PM on 05/22/2013
Well, he´s Sue´s brother and she´s white, he´s black. That raises questions. Who banged who, who´s the mother, the father, whatever, did they grew up together and so on. You can make the whole thing overly complicated instead of keeping it simple and focuss on their superhero origins. Got it?
Well, he´s Sue´s brother and she´s white, he´s black. That raises questions. Who banged who, who´s the mother, the father, whatever, did they grew up together and so on. You can make the whole thing overly complicated instead of keeping it simple and focuss on their superhero origins. Got it?
2:22PM on 05/22/2013
Questions easily answered, taking up the exact same amount of time explaining regardless of his race. It seems just as simple IMO. I don't see anything complicated about it.
Questions easily answered, taking up the exact same amount of time explaining regardless of his race. It seems just as simple IMO. I don't see anything complicated about it.
2:32PM on 05/22/2013
Ok, I made my point. Now it´s up to you. Maybe you can explain me, why they should change such a classic and popular character. What´s the point and who´s gaining anything from it?
Ok, I made my point. Now it´s up to you. Maybe you can explain me, why they should change such a classic and popular character. What´s the point and who´s gaining anything from it?
2:36PM on 05/22/2013
If Sue is white, then is Johnny being adopted too complicated of a solution?
If Sue is white, then is Johnny being adopted too complicated of a solution?
2:38PM on 05/22/2013
Easy. It better mirrors our modern society to include some racial diversity. There is a large black audience and many may appreciate the change. If the studio can make the movie a bigger draw because of the change then they make more money, and there are many benefits that come with that.
Easy. It better mirrors our modern society to include some racial diversity. There is a large black audience and many may appreciate the change. If the studio can make the movie a bigger draw because of the change then they make more money, and there are many benefits that come with that.
4:53PM on 05/22/2013
I don´t think this movie will sell more ticket because one characters is black. You are a fan of the books or your into superheroes or not. Changing characters culture, race or background just to pander to a uncertain fanbase is just lame, you better come up with new characters and giving them their own identity. I remember the outcry when some writers took Thomas Janes characters from the latest Sly movie and turned him asian just to put some asses into seats. Yeah, that was a great choice as
I don´t think this movie will sell more ticket because one characters is black. You are a fan of the books or your into superheroes or not. Changing characters culture, race or background just to pander to a uncertain fanbase is just lame, you better come up with new characters and giving them their own identity. I remember the outcry when some writers took Thomas Janes characters from the latest Sly movie and turned him asian just to put some asses into seats. Yeah, that was a great choice as well!
1:27PM on 05/22/2013
And also, I love how people get furious with certain twists with certain characters (ie Iron Man 3 and Star Trek 2), but people are just fine with changing a superhero's race and background history altogether. You think it would be the other way around.
And also, I love how people get furious with certain twists with certain characters (ie Iron Man 3 and Star Trek 2), but people are just fine with changing a superhero's race and background history altogether. You think it would be the other way around.
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1:39PM on 05/22/2013
People got angry at the plot "twists" in IM3 and ST2 because they screwed around with the fundamentals of well established characters.

If you are going to get angry about Johnny Storm being black because it changes the nature of the character I don't see how you could not be angry at the way IM3 and ST2 changed the story and nature of their characters?
People got angry at the plot "twists" in IM3 and ST2 because they screwed around with the fundamentals of well established characters.

If you are going to get angry about Johnny Storm being black because it changes the nature of the character I don't see how you could not be angry at the way IM3 and ST2 changed the story and nature of their characters?
1:43PM on 05/22/2013
The biggest difference in his background history will be that his parents are black. I mean, what else would that have to change to suit a black Human Torch? If they make Sue white they have him adopted.
The biggest difference in his background history will be that his parents are black. I mean, what else would that have to change to suit a black Human Torch? If they make Sue white they have him adopted.
1:25PM on 05/22/2013
Fuck this. Johnny Storm is WHITE, therefore he should be portrayed by a WHITE actor. None of this changing races and ethnicities bullshit. I'm not racist and wish we had more African American superheroes like Blade, War Machine, Falcon, etc. but if they cast him as Johnny Storm then this movie will not be a true Fantastic Four film at all. I feel this is just an idea for Fox to feel like their doing something risky or daring with their comic book films when actually it's the complete opposite.
Fuck this. Johnny Storm is WHITE, therefore he should be portrayed by a WHITE actor. None of this changing races and ethnicities bullshit. I'm not racist and wish we had more African American superheroes like Blade, War Machine, Falcon, etc. but if they cast him as Johnny Storm then this movie will not be a true Fantastic Four film at all. I feel this is just an idea for Fox to feel like their doing something risky or daring with their comic book films when actually it's the complete opposite. Pure shit.
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1:32PM on 05/22/2013
so you have no problem with Mandarin being portrayed the way he was in IM3, but you insist Human Torch be white?
so you have no problem with Mandarin being portrayed the way he was in IM3, but you insist Human Torch be white?
1:33PM on 05/22/2013
Or maybe they feel they found the right actor for the role and he happens to be black.
Or maybe they feel they found the right actor for the role and he happens to be black.
1:49PM on 05/22/2013
Preston_79...yep. I had no problem with the Mandarin twist because it made sense within the rules and guidelines of the Marvel Universe. Making Johnny Storm African American doesn't make any sense except that it's a cash grab.
Preston_79...yep. I had no problem with the Mandarin twist because it made sense within the rules and guidelines of the Marvel Universe. Making Johnny Storm African American doesn't make any sense except that it's a cash grab.
1:51PM on 05/22/2013
And to DoB....do you really think they couldn't find any White actors to portray Johnny Storm better than this guy? I highly doubt it.
And to DoB....do you really think they couldn't find any White actors to portray Johnny Storm better than this guy? I highly doubt it.
1:55PM on 05/22/2013
Rules and guidelines? Guy Pierce could breath fire...Tony got sucked into a wormhole....
What rules and guidelines are you talking about?
Rules and guidelines? Guy Pierce could breath fire...Tony got sucked into a wormhole....
What rules and guidelines are you talking about?
2:11PM on 05/22/2013
I'm a bit confused by your stance on this "issue". You don't have a problem with the Mandarin going from Chinese to Middle Eastern because it works within the made up guidelines and rules Marvel apparently seems to be following (there are none), but because Johnny Storm could possibly be black, it ruins the Fantastic Four. Other than your argument that he's always been a white character thus changing his race now is stupid, what other argument can you make? Most superheroes were white during
I'm a bit confused by your stance on this "issue". You don't have a problem with the Mandarin going from Chinese to Middle Eastern because it works within the made up guidelines and rules Marvel apparently seems to be following (there are none), but because Johnny Storm could possibly be black, it ruins the Fantastic Four. Other than your argument that he's always been a white character thus changing his race now is stupid, what other argument can you make? Most superheroes were white during the time they were made, it wasn't because the writers just wanted white heroes, it was a different time when most people who were buying comics were, well, white. It wasn't until the late 70s that we slowly started seeing more and more minority superheroes.
12:55PM on 05/22/2013

First off, I have no problem with this if it happens...

... but I think what people are getting so upset about isn't really that they're changing a white guy to a black guy, because in this day in age that kind of blatant racism is old hat. I think the problem is that there is this underlying feeling that this is merely a studio move to squeeze more dollars out of a black audience. Now I know Jordan and Trank are chums and I've personally enjoyed the guys work so far so seeing him as the Human Torch doesn't rub me in the wrong way at all, but
... but I think what people are getting so upset about isn't really that they're changing a white guy to a black guy, because in this day in age that kind of blatant racism is old hat. I think the problem is that there is this underlying feeling that this is merely a studio move to squeeze more dollars out of a black audience. Now I know Jordan and Trank are chums and I've personally enjoyed the guys work so far so seeing him as the Human Torch doesn't rub me in the wrong way at all, but changing a characters race just for "diversity" is a corporate move. Not a creative one. And we all no where creativity goes to die... it's Fox.
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1:17PM on 05/22/2013
Yeah, I can see how making an inconsequential change to a movie to appeal to a broader audience would upset people. Despicable. Since when are corporations in the business of making money?
Yeah, I can see how making an inconsequential change to a movie to appeal to a broader audience would upset people. Despicable. Since when are corporations in the business of making money?
1:52PM on 05/22/2013
Ahhh sarcasm. I see what you did there. I guess your right Preston. Corporations making racist decisions IS ok as long they get more money out of it because by design that's there nature. I never thought about it that way... BOOOM... mind expanded. Thanks bra.
Ahhh sarcasm. I see what you did there. I guess your right Preston. Corporations making racist decisions IS ok as long they get more money out of it because by design that's there nature. I never thought about it that way... BOOOM... mind expanded. Thanks bra.
2:12PM on 05/22/2013
Giving black people something they want is racist? Not all of course, but that's who the extra money would hopefully be getting squeezed out of according to what you said.
Giving black people something they want is racist? Not all of course, but that's who the extra money would hopefully be getting squeezed out of according to what you said.
4:13PM on 05/22/2013
Where do you get all of those straws? What straws am I referring to you ask? Oh, just the ones you're grasping at desperately to somehow invalidate my comments, which in case you failed to notice, were in support of this casting decision as long as it comes from the right place. Is giving black people what they want racist? Absolutely not. Nor did I ever imply that it was. You see, I stated that if this is coming from a creative stand point or if this is something the black community is really
Where do you get all of those straws? What straws am I referring to you ask? Oh, just the ones you're grasping at desperately to somehow invalidate my comments, which in case you failed to notice, were in support of this casting decision as long as it comes from the right place. Is giving black people what they want racist? Absolutely not. Nor did I ever imply that it was. You see, I stated that if this is coming from a creative stand point or if this is something the black community is really pushing for (although as of now I am unaware of such a push) then by all means make it so, but if this is coming from a group of executives trying to cash in on a race of people simply by changing the color of someones skin then it is wrong to do so. But reading a comment and understanding a comment are two separate things and in the future I would suggest doing both instead of choosing one or the other.
4:55PM on 05/22/2013
I'm pretty sure I understand you just fine. I see nothing racist about entertaining idea of making this character black in order to gross more money.
I'm pretty sure I understand you just fine. I see nothing racist about entertaining idea of making this character black in order to gross more money.
6:46PM on 05/22/2013
Entertaining that idea would be an unnecessary change to a pre-established body of work exploiting a race of people for the sole purpose of monetary gain. If you don't see the racism in that then I can help you no further.
Entertaining that idea would be an unnecessary change to a pre-established body of work exploiting a race of people for the sole purpose of monetary gain. If you don't see the racism in that then I can help you no further.
9:14AM on 05/23/2013
Beside, if changing a black character into a white one is racist (toward black people), then, changing a white character into a black one is racist as well (toward white people)...
I'm so fucking tired of hearing and reading people saying there is no such thing as racism toward white people !
Beside, if changing a black character into a white one is racist (toward black people), then, changing a white character into a black one is racist as well (toward white people)...
I'm so fucking tired of hearing and reading people saying there is no such thing as racism toward white people !
12:48PM on 05/22/2013

mixed

I'm all in for character changes but I just feel all this is tacky and just a cheap studio tactic to be like "hey, we're hip and we want to appeal to everyone and make them happy!". People could defend the case all they want because they dont want to have the fingers pointed at them. But honestly do the film right or don't do it at all. He was awesome in chronicle, but honestly as much as a lot want to say that they won't have a problem, you know they will if Idris Elba was cast as Bruce
I'm all in for character changes but I just feel all this is tacky and just a cheap studio tactic to be like "hey, we're hip and we want to appeal to everyone and make them happy!". People could defend the case all they want because they dont want to have the fingers pointed at them. But honestly do the film right or don't do it at all. He was awesome in chronicle, but honestly as much as a lot want to say that they won't have a problem, you know they will if Idris Elba was cast as Bruce Wayne, or Christopher Walken was cast as Wolverine! Awesome actors indeed but not the characters for them.
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12:45PM on 05/22/2013
I am amazed at the number of racist assholes that keep rearing there ugly head. Sure, go hide behind your defenses of "he's always been white" or "this just wouldn't work because it changes the team dynamic and their whole family theme"; both of which are too retarded for me to believe that people are actually stating them.

Jordan has proven himself a good, not great, actor, with tons of potential. He could rock this role, with a good enough script.
I am amazed at the number of racist assholes that keep rearing there ugly head. Sure, go hide behind your defenses of "he's always been white" or "this just wouldn't work because it changes the team dynamic and their whole family theme"; both of which are too retarded for me to believe that people are actually stating them.

Jordan has proven himself a good, not great, actor, with tons of potential. He could rock this role, with a good enough script.
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1:49PM on 05/22/2013
Amen. These reasons being given to keep him white are weak as fuck.
Amen. These reasons being given to keep him white are weak as fuck.
12:37PM on 05/22/2013
I don't care if they make Johnny Storm asian so long as its a good movie. If you look at when alot of the iconic comics were made ethnic diversity was not happening. So the fact these characters are white wasn't because it's a vital plot point, it was because of the prevailing cultural norm of mainly white heroes. Now, if they keep The Human Torch white, great (again I just want a good movie) but lets not get caught up in making it a race thing. Hell, they could make Superman black for all I
I don't care if they make Johnny Storm asian so long as its a good movie. If you look at when alot of the iconic comics were made ethnic diversity was not happening. So the fact these characters are white wasn't because it's a vital plot point, it was because of the prevailing cultural norm of mainly white heroes. Now, if they keep The Human Torch white, great (again I just want a good movie) but lets not get caught up in making it a race thing. Hell, they could make Superman black for all I care as long as what he stands for as a character is kept the same.

But this is all my opinion, so maybe I'm wrong.
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12:23PM on 05/22/2013
I would also like to add that in the heyday of comic creation they didn't create black characters. At all. You can point out The Falcon and Black Panther all you like, but the list pretty much ends there. So, should no black actors be able to act in any comic book films because the characters were created in a more racist society? No. If we want race to be less of an issue we need to make it less of an issue.
I would also like to add that in the heyday of comic creation they didn't create black characters. At all. You can point out The Falcon and Black Panther all you like, but the list pretty much ends there. So, should no black actors be able to act in any comic book films because the characters were created in a more racist society? No. If we want race to be less of an issue we need to make it less of an issue.
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12:16PM on 05/22/2013

They Need To Follow Through With This Decision

If they are going to change Johnny Storm's ethnicity then they need to follow that logic and match Sue Storm's ethnicity as well. They do that and I have no issue at all. They don't and it's just another bad Fantastic Four film.
If they are going to change Johnny Storm's ethnicity then they need to follow that logic and match Sue Storm's ethnicity as well. They do that and I have no issue at all. They don't and it's just another bad Fantastic Four film.
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2:48PM on 05/22/2013
You speak as if adoption or mixed race parents don't exist.
You speak as if adoption or mixed race parents don't exist.
1:05PM on 05/27/2013
I am speaking as if Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are blood relatives and not adoptive siblings. If Marvel feels propelled to change Johnny's race to fit the best actor for the part then why half measure it? Have the sack to do the full monty. They do that then they have Reed Richards and Sue Storm interracial couple and they can adopt all they want.
I am speaking as if Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are blood relatives and not adoptive siblings. If Marvel feels propelled to change Johnny's race to fit the best actor for the part then why half measure it? Have the sack to do the full monty. They do that then they have Reed Richards and Sue Storm interracial couple and they can adopt all they want.
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12:14PM on 05/22/2013
Anyone that has watched The Wire or Friday Night Lights or even Chronicle knows this kid is a phenomenal actor. If he were white Fantastic Four fans would be over the moon about him getting cast. Also, why is whiteness one of Johnny Storm's defining characteristics?
Anyone that has watched The Wire or Friday Night Lights or even Chronicle knows this kid is a phenomenal actor. If he were white Fantastic Four fans would be over the moon about him getting cast. Also, why is whiteness one of Johnny Storm's defining characteristics?
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1:05PM on 05/22/2013
I haven't seen FNL but his work on The Wire and Chronicle was far from phenomenal. It was good, nothing more.
I haven't seen FNL but his work on The Wire and Chronicle was far from phenomenal. It was good, nothing more.
1:32PM on 05/22/2013
He was great on FNL. And he was a little kid on The Wire. I thought he was really good, as was everyone on that series, but judging acting is like judging any other kind of art: entirely subjective. I thought he and Dane Dehaan were both excellent in Chronicle.
He was great on FNL. And he was a little kid on The Wire. I thought he was really good, as was everyone on that series, but judging acting is like judging any other kind of art: entirely subjective. I thought he and Dane Dehaan were both excellent in Chronicle.
11:57AM on 05/22/2013

It's What Got You To This Point...

Stay true to the original material.

'Nuff said.
Stay true to the original material.

'Nuff said.
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2:14PM on 05/22/2013
So i guess Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies were abominations, or Singer's X-Men movies were garbage, or Nolan's Batman movie's were taking things too far because all three of those directors deviated, greatly, from the original material.
So i guess Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies were abominations, or Singer's X-Men movies were garbage, or Nolan's Batman movie's were taking things too far because all three of those directors deviated, greatly, from the original material.
8:12PM on 05/23/2013
Hey Roy...just to let you know...I didn't care much for any of the Nolan Batman movies, Singer's X-Men WERE very bad (though I wouldn't say entirely garbage) and I enjoyed Spiderman I and II (though III was a pain). I have spoken out my problems with those movies you listed numerous times here at MFC.

So to answer your question...yes.

Again I say...over and over as before, stay true to the original (as much as possible of course). It's what has endured and got you to this point.
Hey Roy...just to let you know...I didn't care much for any of the Nolan Batman movies, Singer's X-Men WERE very bad (though I wouldn't say entirely garbage) and I enjoyed Spiderman I and II (though III was a pain). I have spoken out my problems with those movies you listed numerous times here at MFC.

So to answer your question...yes.

Again I say...over and over as before, stay true to the original (as much as possible of course). It's what has endured and got you to this point.
11:36AM on 05/22/2013
I'm not against changing the race of some minor characters to add some diversity to the cast but when Johnny Storm is not considered big enough to keep his look intact, I have a problem. Everybody agrees that Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker shouldn't have their look changed and F4 is a comic with enough history to deserve that kind of treatment. To me, it shows Trank doesn't care about the material anymore than Abrams did with his when he cast Khan.
I'm not against changing the race of some minor characters to add some diversity to the cast but when Johnny Storm is not considered big enough to keep his look intact, I have a problem. Everybody agrees that Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker shouldn't have their look changed and F4 is a comic with enough history to deserve that kind of treatment. To me, it shows Trank doesn't care about the material anymore than Abrams did with his when he cast Khan.
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11:40AM on 05/22/2013
I honestly don't care who's race gets changed. Superman can be Rick Yune. Peter Parker can be Donald Glover, Bruce Wayne can be Idris elba, and I wouldn't even wince.
I honestly don't care who's race gets changed. Superman can be Rick Yune. Peter Parker can be Donald Glover, Bruce Wayne can be Idris elba, and I wouldn't even wince.
12:36PM on 05/22/2013
Superman could be half Hispanic/ Half Asian for all I care. Same thing goes doubly for Bruce Wayne & Peter Parker, as they are American, and here in the USA, we have all sorts of ethnicities, at varying levels of the socio-economic rung. The only reason most of these characters are white, is due to the time they were created in.

Also, this is not an arguement for Black Panther to be a white guy, or something like that, as for that character (and others) his race is a part of his character as
Superman could be half Hispanic/ Half Asian for all I care. Same thing goes doubly for Bruce Wayne & Peter Parker, as they are American, and here in the USA, we have all sorts of ethnicities, at varying levels of the socio-economic rung. The only reason most of these characters are white, is due to the time they were created in.

Also, this is not an arguement for Black Panther to be a white guy, or something like that, as for that character (and others) his race is a part of his character as a whole (a white guy would be shot on site by his tribe). I cannot think of one instance where there is a similar case to be had for a white character in comics (not saying it doesn't exist, and seeing as how I am a causal comic fan at best, I will gladly concede that there might be a few characters where that is the case). However, with Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Johnny Storm, and thousands of other comic characters, race is incidental, and means all of jack and shit in terms of their personality and the adventures they have.
2:15PM on 05/22/2013
So are you mad that Jamie Foxx is playing Electro?
So are you mad that Jamie Foxx is playing Electro?
11:33AM on 05/22/2013
I don't care if they make Johnny Storm asian so long as its a good movie. If you look at when alot of the iconic comics were made ethnic diversity was not happening. So the fact these characters are white wasn't because it's a vital plot point, it was because of the prevailing cultural norm of mainly white heroes. Now, if they keep The Human Torch white, great (again I just want a good movie) but lets not get caught up in making it a race thing. Hell, they could make Superman black for all I
I don't care if they make Johnny Storm asian so long as its a good movie. If you look at when alot of the iconic comics were made ethnic diversity was not happening. So the fact these characters are white wasn't because it's a vital plot point, it was because of the prevailing cultural norm of mainly white heroes. Now, if they keep The Human Torch white, great (again I just want a good movie) but lets not get caught up in making it a race thing. Hell, they could make Superman black for all I care as long as what he stands for as a character is kept the same.

But this is all my opinion, so maybe I'm wrong.
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11:31AM on 05/22/2013
Extra tidbit: I'm pretty sure it'd still be Doctor Doom. I can't think of other Fantastic Four villains aside from Mole Man and Puppet Master and these two aren't that big of a villain.
Extra tidbit: I'm pretty sure it'd still be Doctor Doom. I can't think of other Fantastic Four villains aside from Mole Man and Puppet Master and these two aren't that big of a villain.
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10:50AM on 05/22/2013

Please No

Don't change the race of a character just for a fresh start. I'm not prejudges, but I have read F4 since I was a kid. Johnny Storm is white. Don't make him black just to add flavor. If the past comic book film failures have taught us anything, it's that drastic changes piss fans off.
Don't change the race of a character just for a fresh start. I'm not prejudges, but I have read F4 since I was a kid. Johnny Storm is white. Don't make him black just to add flavor. If the past comic book film failures have taught us anything, it's that drastic changes piss fans off.
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11:16AM on 05/22/2013
First off, the word you're looking for is prejudice.

Second, the movie is being made for a mass market. It's meant to appeal to every person who enters the theatre on a saturday and needs to make a choice on what they want to see. Movies are not made to appease fanboys. I'm as big of a comic book geek as the next guy, but it pisses me off that fans think their opinions should dictate how movies are made. Comic book adaptations are still being made to appeal to a wider audience, so if
First off, the word you're looking for is prejudice.

Second, the movie is being made for a mass market. It's meant to appeal to every person who enters the theatre on a saturday and needs to make a choice on what they want to see. Movies are not made to appease fanboys. I'm as big of a comic book geek as the next guy, but it pisses me off that fans think their opinions should dictate how movies are made. Comic book adaptations are still being made to appeal to a wider audience, so if they choose to make slight changes to story or character IT"S NOT A BIG DEAL. As long as they keep the general [link] in tact, than all is good.

Third, who cares if the skin color is changed? It doesn't matter as long as the character still acts like Johnny Storm. All I care is that if they choose to make Johnny Storm black, at least keep things as close to the comics by casting a black actress as Sue Storm so it's easier for the audiene to believe they are brother/sister.
11:25AM on 05/22/2013
Is that all black actors bring to the table, some flavor?
Is that all black actors bring to the table, some flavor?
10:46AM on 05/22/2013
I really dug him in Chronicle, which was a movie featuring three young high schoolers played by unknown actors up to shenanigans. This movie had every reason to be annoying, yet they pulled it off and it worked.
I really dug him in Chronicle, which was a movie featuring three young high schoolers played by unknown actors up to shenanigans. This movie had every reason to be annoying, yet they pulled it off and it worked.
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10:37AM on 05/22/2013

I think...

I think Chris Evans did a great job in the other fantastic 4 movies... Sure the movies were crap but when he was fun to watch. that being said I think B. Jordan could do a good job but he just dosnt look the part... Im stay neutral until I see the trailer or at least other casting news..
I think Chris Evans did a great job in the other fantastic 4 movies... Sure the movies were crap but when he was fun to watch. that being said I think B. Jordan could do a good job but he just dosnt look the part... Im stay neutral until I see the trailer or at least other casting news..
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10:34AM on 05/22/2013
I'm not going to even bother debating the issue.. It's just a stupid idea.. I assume they were rebooting it to get shit right.. So if they're not, then what's the point. Hopefully it will just fail and the rights revert back to MARVEL
I'm not going to even bother debating the issue.. It's just a stupid idea.. I assume they were rebooting it to get shit right.. So if they're not, then what's the point. Hopefully it will just fail and the rights revert back to MARVEL
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11:58AM on 05/22/2013
Amen!
Amen!
1:56PM on 05/22/2013
Agree. If they cast him as Johnny Storm then this movie already sucks. This is far and away from trying to get the source material right this time. Hopefully it bombs and goes back to Marvel.
Agree. If they cast him as Johnny Storm then this movie already sucks. This is far and away from trying to get the source material right this time. Hopefully it bombs and goes back to Marvel.
10:30AM on 05/22/2013
I'm cautious when it comes to Fantastic 4 films. I turned the first one off after about half an hour, and didn't bother with the second one. Chronicle however was worth checking out, and the 3 lead actors in the film really made it a solid believable story. (that is if you believe in weird rocks giving magic powers to teenagers)
I'm cautious when it comes to Fantastic 4 films. I turned the first one off after about half an hour, and didn't bother with the second one. Chronicle however was worth checking out, and the 3 lead actors in the film really made it a solid believable story. (that is if you believe in weird rocks giving magic powers to teenagers)
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10:24AM on 05/22/2013

sorry bro, not johnny storm, maybe another character

this will sound ignorant, regardless that i am black, i just dontdon't see why you would change a race to a character is most famously white, minor character you can get away with her and there, but imI'm just not feeling it for the main characters. Sure they did it Thor and the other FF movies and Daredevil, i feel he would be better as Patriot, Of the Young Avengers the desendant of the original Captain America. I know some will argue that if he can act good then let him play the part, but
this will sound ignorant, regardless that i am black, i just dontdon't see why you would change a race to a character is most famously white, minor character you can get away with her and there, but imI'm just not feeling it for the main characters. Sure they did it Thor and the other FF movies and Daredevil, i feel he would be better as Patriot, Of the Young Avengers the desendant of the original Captain America. I know some will argue that if he can act good then let him play the part, but how hard is it to play a big ass teenager that can turn to fire.
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10:33AM on 05/22/2013
This isn't a campaign to keep him from playing the part, just something I don't agree with. Im sure if other popular characters races started to change in comic book movies people would get upset, a Mexican Batman, a Iraqi Superman, a chinese Wolverine...these are just examples, i dont have a problem with different races. I'll get flak from this but this is how I feel, my opinion.
This isn't a campaign to keep him from playing the part, just something I don't agree with. Im sure if other popular characters races started to change in comic book movies people would get upset, a Mexican Batman, a Iraqi Superman, a chinese Wolverine...these are just examples, i dont have a problem with different races. I'll get flak from this but this is how I feel, my opinion.
10:39AM on 05/22/2013
I totally agree.. We grow up reading Comics waitng for a good adaptation and we get two mediocore films and a third where they change the race of a brother/sister duo for no reason other than he's cool with the director.
I totally agree.. We grow up reading Comics waitng for a good adaptation and we get two mediocore films and a third where they change the race of a brother/sister duo for no reason other than he's cool with the director.
4:17PM on 05/22/2013
At least you know you sound ignorant.

ps- those thumbs up are from the racists that feel better after reading this post from a black guy.
At least you know you sound ignorant.

ps- those thumbs up are from the racists that feel better after reading this post from a black guy.
10:49AM on 05/23/2013
Hahaha, spit take thinks I'm ignorant, whatever you say man, your opinion is just that.
Hahaha, spit take thinks I'm ignorant, whatever you say man, your opinion is just that.
10:19AM on 05/22/2013

Here it comes

Liked what he did in Chronicle, interested to see what he can do as Johnny Storm, but he's got big shoes to fill. Chris Evans was easily the best/most interesting character in the old F4 series.

And now begins another thread as to why some people think The Human Torch can't be played by a black man, (but yet Electro, Nick Fury, and even Harvey Dent at one time are all ok to be of different race)
Liked what he did in Chronicle, interested to see what he can do as Johnny Storm, but he's got big shoes to fill. Chris Evans was easily the best/most interesting character in the old F4 series.

And now begins another thread as to why some people think The Human Torch can't be played by a black man, (but yet Electro, Nick Fury, and even Harvey Dent at one time are all ok to be of different race)
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10:27AM on 05/22/2013
Doesn't mean I liked those character changes either, especially the electro part.
Doesn't mean I liked those character changes either, especially the electro part.
10:44AM on 05/22/2013
you're more than fine to not like it. Personally I liked Foxx being casted as Electro, but after some of the photos surfaced, I'm a bit sketchy on his nerdy character. But it still doesn't mean Foxx isn't going to own the hell out of it and be as entertaining as he can be in the movie.

you pointed it out well in your above post, there are basically 2 arguments to this, side 1: why change the race of a well known character? side 2: if the guy can play the part let him play the part. The fans
you're more than fine to not like it. Personally I liked Foxx being casted as Electro, but after some of the photos surfaced, I'm a bit sketchy on his nerdy character. But it still doesn't mean Foxx isn't going to own the hell out of it and be as entertaining as he can be in the movie.

you pointed it out well in your above post, there are basically 2 arguments to this, side 1: why change the race of a well known character? side 2: if the guy can play the part let him play the part. The fans are gonna be split on this until at least a trailer comes out and we get to see Jordan (if he is Johnny storm) in the role. Ultimately I think this casting is just a piece of a bigger puzzle that is this reboot, whether it looks good, has an interesting plot, and the characters are also performed/written well is what it all comes down to.

And remember a lot of the times the casting may appear off, but sometimes the most obscure casting pays off the most (Heath Ledger as the Joker, Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman, Alfred Molina as Doc Ock and RDJ as Tony Stark)
11:27AM on 05/22/2013
I agree with your point. Frankly I think with a white or black actor an FF movie is going to fail. I know it has a strong fanbase with comics. But I don't think it has the appeal for a large audience (going beyond comic fans to your average movie goer). So I don't see this being a really stable property, only way to really make it work is to have it as part of the MCU, I always find FF more interesting when they show up in mass crossovers as this genius think tank that can come up with a
I agree with your point. Frankly I think with a white or black actor an FF movie is going to fail. I know it has a strong fanbase with comics. But I don't think it has the appeal for a large audience (going beyond comic fans to your average movie goer). So I don't see this being a really stable property, only way to really make it work is to have it as part of the MCU, I always find FF more interesting when they show up in mass crossovers as this genius think tank that can come up with a solution.

On a side note, using Harvey Dent as an example of using a black actor to portray a white character is pretty lame. He appeared as a pretty underused/background character in Tim Burton's Batman film with Lando Calrissian (I think he had 10 minutes of screen time). And within that same cinematic world, he was truly portrayed by a white actor (Tommy Lee Jones) in Batman Forever. And then he was given the real cinematic treatment in Nolan's Batman films by being portrayed by Aaron Eckhart. Not to detract from your point, just a really bad example.
11:50AM on 05/22/2013
I disagree, i think using BIlly Dee Williams as Harvey Dent is a fair example. Up until Avengers Sam Jackson appeared in what? 1 scene or about 5 mins for each non avenger movie. Harvey Dent wasn't a focus in the original batman nor batman returns, but he was still there. And the point i'm making is Harvey Dent is a huge character in the world of batman, you can argue he's just behind Joker as batman's most deadly foe. For Billy Dee to play a character as complex as Harvey (granted his story
I disagree, i think using BIlly Dee Williams as Harvey Dent is a fair example. Up until Avengers Sam Jackson appeared in what? 1 scene or about 5 mins for each non avenger movie. Harvey Dent wasn't a focus in the original batman nor batman returns, but he was still there. And the point i'm making is Harvey Dent is a huge character in the world of batman, you can argue he's just behind Joker as batman's most deadly foe. For Billy Dee to play a character as complex as Harvey (granted his story arch with dent never came full circle) was huge. And again, the point is, Black man played a character that has a huge impact on the Batman Universe, that was white in every other canon and nobody complained then. So why complain now about this?

Also, Tommy Lee Jones truly portrayed 2-Face? Maybe as much as Jeep Swenson truly portrayed Bane in Batman and Robin. Or Alicia Silverstone as Barbra Gordon, I mean Barbra Pennyworth in the same film. If you count 3/4 of 2-face of his dialogue being laughter and by acting you mean being as over the top as you possibly can say he truly portrayed 2-face. Sure why not.

10:19AM on 05/22/2013
I can't think of any good reasons why I would be against it. Having him be black will make about as much difference as it did when we made James Bond a blond.
I can't think of any good reasons why I would be against it. Having him be black will make about as much difference as it did when we made James Bond a blond.
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10:17AM on 05/22/2013
Oh snap, this does sound like he's pencilled in for the part. The plot thickens! Now somebody go ask Allison Williams if she's gonna be Sue! I think Chris Pine would've made a great Johnny Storm, but we'll see where this goes.
Oh snap, this does sound like he's pencilled in for the part. The plot thickens! Now somebody go ask Allison Williams if she's gonna be Sue! I think Chris Pine would've made a great Johnny Storm, but we'll see where this goes.
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