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May. 11, 2007by: Sturdy

... bring Spidey backbut do it right!
by Sturdy

Like everyone else in the world, I saw SPIDER-MAN 3 over the weekend and I have to admit...I loved it! The action was great, the story was great, the characters were great and it even had some funny moments. I hate that so many critics are bashing it, because I thought it was fantastic. The brilliance of SPIDER-MAN 1, 2 and 3 was a joy to behold, but 3 also signaled what could be the end for Spider-Manmovies.


I loved the black suit.

I know the producer has already indicated she wants to make another three Spider-Man movies, and why not? Each one has managed to top the previous one, both in entertainment value (yeah, thats right, I think 3 was better than 2) and in box-office success. As a businessperson, you cant walk away from $148 million in three days. The film is sure to quadruple that and possibly even beat TITANIC as the top grossing film of all-time.


These guys have to come back for 4!

What Im afraid of is that theyre going to make SPIDER-MAN 4 without the same people. I think Sam Raimi is a good director, but what makes him great with Spider-Man is his respect for the character. He really seems to get Spider-man and that love and respect comes out on the big screen. Making another flick without him would be a bad move. Then theres Tobey Maguire. Hes the one that makes me the most nervous because he constantly hints that he doesnt want to do another one. Tobeys a fantastic actor and I can see why he would want to branch out and do different things, but I really hope he comes back for another go at Peter Parker. He was born to play that part and seeing someone else in that role would feel dirty.

The funny thing is that those are the only major players they really need to come back. Obviously, James Franco wont need to return, most of the major villains are on to bigger things and the minor characters are probably a lock to return no matter what. Oh yeah, theres Snaggletooth. Frankly, I dont care if she comes back or not. I think the hardest thing Raimi has had to do with the films is make her tolerable, but I dont feel she makes much of an impact on the franchise. Speaking of Raimi making actresses tolerable, did anyone else notice how hot Bryce Dallas Howard was in SPIDER-MAN 3? Seriously, she was amazing.


I dont remember her looking this good in THE VILLAGE

Obviously, the example Im going to use for what not to do is BATMAN FOREVER. As a matter of fact, the entire Batman franchise is a good example of what not to do. Its not enough to have a popular actor and director take over, you have to actually find someone that matches. SUPERMAN is another good example of what not to do. Sure, Christopher Reeve came back for 3 and 4, but having the main actor come back isnt enough. You have to have a director with talent and actually give them a budget to work with.


Please dont let this happen to Spider-man!

So yes, I want another Spider-Man movie and yes, I want Tobey Maguire and Sam Raimi to return. In this day and age of sequel-mania, it would be a crime not to do another SPIDER-MAN film. I think Raimi has a few more good ideas in him and Id love to see what else he can do with the franchise.

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9:32AM on 11/10/2007
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON?! The Batman franchise was not horrible! Only Forver and "Batman and Robin" I mean christ dude! You really think Venom was good and that Spider-Man 3 met your expectations?! Your expectations were pretty low than. Cause god that movie was pretty bad. No one wants to see an "emo" Peter Parker.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON?! The Batman franchise was not horrible! Only Forver and "Batman and Robin" I mean christ dude! You really think Venom was good and that Spider-Man 3 met your expectations?! Your expectations were pretty low than. Cause god that movie was pretty bad. No one wants to see an "emo" Peter Parker.
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11:32AM on 05/14/2007

Beat Titanic? Come on!

No movie is ever, EVER, gonna top Titanic. I'm not saying that's a good thing it's just the sorry state of affairs. The industry has changed since. Release to dvd is shorter, home entertainment systems better, but most importantly, the common movie go-er now buys their favourite movies on a wide scale so they wait for it's dvd release for repeated viewing.
The only way Spiderman will ever make more than Titanic will be if the cost of admission of Spidey 27 is $50 bucks a pop.
An to add my two
No movie is ever, EVER, gonna top Titanic. I'm not saying that's a good thing it's just the sorry state of affairs. The industry has changed since. Release to dvd is shorter, home entertainment systems better, but most importantly, the common movie go-er now buys their favourite movies on a wide scale so they wait for it's dvd release for repeated viewing.
The only way Spiderman will ever make more than Titanic will be if the cost of admission of Spidey 27 is $50 bucks a pop.
An to add my two cents on the spidey matter, I thought it sucked. It shat on the memory of our beloved Gwen Stacey, RIP... Now that would have been good, if they wanted drama an what not, have Venom kill Gwen with Spidey narrowly failing to rescue her. (Or inadvertently kill her with a whiplash effect. SNAP)
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8:32PM on 05/12/2007

Haven't seen 3, so no comment

on it, but I gotta say that all these kind of movies dry up after a while, (Bond obviously excepted) and I'm pretty sure there really isn't a great reason to do another Spiderman. No worthy villain for one. Maguire has done other things, and pretty well too, and Raimi, with money behind him can do anything he wants. And by the way, all these movies rip something off. Superman Returns? Have you ever heard of a little book called the New Testament? "My Only Thun, you will look like one of them,
on it, but I gotta say that all these kind of movies dry up after a while, (Bond obviously excepted) and I'm pretty sure there really isn't a great reason to do another Spiderman. No worthy villain for one. Maguire has done other things, and pretty well too, and Raimi, with money behind him can do anything he wants. And by the way, all these movies rip something off. Superman Returns? Have you ever heard of a little book called the New Testament? "My Only Thun, you will look like one of them, but you will not be one of them. They only need the Light to show them the Way." Now that, is a true rip-off. The first Batman was great, but degenerated into junk by Returns. (Lord, please help Dark Knight.)Superman 3 was awful, as was the Die Hard series, The Alien Series, The Predator Series, Lethal Weapon, etc.etc.etc. Spidey 4? What's wrong with a T.V. cartoon? Sure would cost less.
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4:14PM on 05/12/2007

In no way is Peter a ladies man.

First off, Bryce is gorgeous.

Secondly I loved SM3, except for those 10-20 mins where Peter was "cool" and a "ladies man" it was odd and didnt fit into the movie for me. I couldnt take it serious.
First off, Bryce is gorgeous.

Secondly I loved SM3, except for those 10-20 mins where Peter was "cool" and a "ladies man" it was odd and didnt fit into the movie for me. I couldnt take it serious.
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9:35AM on 05/12/2007

spiderman and gwen

i just saw spiderman 3 and i like it but not a wow effect form it and they need to do more for it and get rid of mary jane and get peter parker with gwen stacy. she is hot
i just saw spiderman 3 and i like it but not a wow effect form it and they need to do more for it and get rid of mary jane and get peter parker with gwen stacy. she is hot
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3:53PM on 05/11/2007
Would not mind at all if Raimi and gang take an extra year off before the next one if it means they come back for an SM4. They deserve an extra break!
Would not mind at all if Raimi and gang take an extra year off before the next one if it means they come back for an SM4. They deserve an extra break!
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2:30PM on 05/11/2007
Couldn't agree more with this. SM3 was awesome, and I do see it breaking records.

BTW, Titanic sucked balls!!
Couldn't agree more with this. SM3 was awesome, and I do see it breaking records.

BTW, Titanic sucked balls!!
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1:30PM on 05/11/2007

Gotta laugh...

People are so hard up about how much it'll make, like they're going to get any of [link]
People are so hard up about how much it'll make, like they're going to get any of [link]
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12:24PM on 05/11/2007

Titanic vs Spidey

Heres the facts
Titanic
Domestic: $600,788,188 32.6%
+ Foreign: $1,244,246,000 67.4%
= Worldwide: $1,845,034,188


Spidey 3
Domestic: $176,161,954 43.3%
+ Foreign: $230,544,376 56.7%
= Worldwide: $406,706,330

spidey will in no way touch titanic, watch a 50% drop of in sales this weekend!
Titanic will be the top gossing movie for ever, it will never be topped!
mo mater if you like it or hate it.
Heres the facts
Titanic
Domestic: $600,788,188 32.6%
+ Foreign: $1,244,246,000 67.4%
= Worldwide: $1,845,034,188


Spidey 3
Domestic: $176,161,954 43.3%
+ Foreign: $230,544,376 56.7%
= Worldwide: $406,706,330

spidey will in no way touch titanic, watch a 50% drop of in sales this weekend!
Titanic will be the top gossing movie for ever, it will never be topped!
mo mater if you like it or hate it.
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12:10PM on 05/11/2007
First , let's get one thing straight , if your going to put the Bat dude down , then you have to admit that Raimi lifted a bunch of ideas from those films , one that will always stand out is the cable car sequence from part 1 , that's straight out of the finale of Bf , the big parade in Sm 1 , just another take on the one that joker had in Bat 1 , the way the GG dude was played , well , that one is obvious . He also has taken big inspirational chunks out of the Supe films , yeah S 3 may have
First , let's get one thing straight , if your going to put the Bat dude down , then you have to admit that Raimi lifted a bunch of ideas from those films , one that will always stand out is the cable car sequence from part 1 , that's straight out of the finale of Bf , the big parade in Sm 1 , just another take on the one that joker had in Bat 1 , the way the GG dude was played , well , that one is obvious . He also has taken big inspirational chunks out of the Supe films , yeah S 3 may have blew , but come on at least Reeve's bad supe blows away maguires slightly annoying and arrogant " Bad " spidey . And don't get me started on how parker became physically impotent in part 2 , Supes did the same thing by choice in Supe 2 , same deal just with a little twist . There's so many others , i jst don't have the space right now .


Anyway , my point is Raimi hasn't made these groundbreaking films like everyone is saying , much like he did with his knockoff of Batman in the early 90s called Darkman , he has lifted ideas from other films , tweaked them a bit to make them look fresh and now he's considered an untouchable comic book hero genius .

I do think the Sm films have high entertainment value , with 2 being the pinnacle of the franchise , but some people have such short memories , or maybe even selective memory , these aren't the striking originals they are being hailed as , it's time to get some wild card director with some fire in his belly to get this thing done right , Raimi is just too comfortable with the material now , we need that nervous energy , someone who will take some chances and not play it safe for the masses , someone who actually knows how to make a character " dark " , not a kid's version of it . Aja maybe , that's one name that comes to mind , or maybe even Gans , why not , SR started out with horror , albeit goofy horror , but still . Freak it i'll throw in the director of 28 weeks later also , or a real dark horse pick , Michele Soavi , nah he's way too dark :) .


The fatigue has set in , and it's showing with the Sm films , and no matter how talented and skilled everyone involved in these films is , the stretch marks are showing .


You'll see what i mean if another director takes over , with an all new cast , this thing needs to be jumpstarted from it's creative lethargy . Now , i'm not going to cry if everyone does come back , because i know ill still be seeing quality , but i seriously feel it's time to get a new take on this franchise .


And who was it that said batman doesn't cry , what the heek , Bruce Wayne did a couple of times in Bf ( when he recalled his parent's death ) and he did it again in BB ( elevator shaft escape ).



Sm3 will break the all time box office record , Bwahahahahahahahahaha , i needed that laugh , thanks .
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10:29AM on 05/11/2007

Man I wish

All the talk of box office numbers mattered- like I got a cut or something.

Anyway, my guess is this movie is going to have one of the biggest second week dropoffs of all time- in the 60-65% range. No way it's going to come close to Titanic...
All the talk of box office numbers mattered- like I got a cut or something.

Anyway, my guess is this movie is going to have one of the biggest second week dropoffs of all time- in the 60-65% range. No way it's going to come close to Titanic...
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10:09AM on 05/11/2007

It'll push $500 million at best

I'm betting it'll stay in the $400 million range.
I'm betting it'll stay in the $400 million range.
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9:53AM on 05/11/2007
Batman Forever was alright, if not great. Batman and Robin was the one that really sucked. I also doubt that this will come near Titanic, and figure it'll top out at around six hundred mill.
Batman Forever was alright, if not great. Batman and Robin was the one that really sucked. I also doubt that this will come near Titanic, and figure it'll top out at around six hundred mill.
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9:50AM on 05/11/2007

Spider-man 3

I also thought this was the best out them all, and actually don't know if I want them to make any more. Three's enough of anything. And yes, Bryce Dallas Howard was amazingly hot in the movie. Hopefully she'll be back!
I also thought this was the best out them all, and actually don't know if I want them to make any more. Three's enough of anything. And yes, Bryce Dallas Howard was amazingly hot in the movie. Hopefully she'll be back!
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9:40AM on 05/11/2007

Titanic is far superior to all 3 Spider-Man films

It deserves #1 highest grossing film over Spidy 3. Besides, I love the fact that an underdog film like Titanic holds #1 spot.
It deserves #1 highest grossing film over Spidy 3. Besides, I love the fact that an underdog film like Titanic holds #1 spot.
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7:00AM on 05/11/2007

I don't believe only Tobey can...

play the role of SpiderMan/Peter Parker, the character is just that much bigger than him it don't really belong to anyone.
play the role of SpiderMan/Peter Parker, the character is just that much bigger than him it don't really belong to anyone.
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5:45AM on 05/11/2007

Some good points Sturdy...

.. but I disagree. I have nothing new to say, just wanted to add to the numbers...
.. but I disagree. I have nothing new to say, just wanted to add to the numbers...
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5:40AM on 05/11/2007

questionable box office prediciton

It's only the first weekend, and buzz is so-so for most people, and although Spidey 3 will make ooooodles and oodles of cash, I wonder if it'll have legs long enough to carry into the TITANIC domestic box office range.
It's only the first weekend, and buzz is so-so for most people, and although Spidey 3 will make ooooodles and oodles of cash, I wonder if it'll have legs long enough to carry into the TITANIC domestic box office range.
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5:25AM on 05/11/2007

Thank You Denz & Knight

I agree, the first four (minus the 1st, Michael Keaton was brilliant) Batmans were not so very good. He is the "Dark Knight" and, after the 1st film, they tried to make him more "user friendly" with Jim Carrey, Arnie, Alicia and the like.

Batman Begins is almost quintessential in its discovery of the man, the reason and the motivation - without any ad hoc street dance scenes (not that Toby didn't excel, and I did love the "raindrops analogy").... but have you ever seen Batman cry? No!
I agree, the first four (minus the 1st, Michael Keaton was brilliant) Batmans were not so very good. He is the "Dark Knight" and, after the 1st film, they tried to make him more "user friendly" with Jim Carrey, Arnie, Alicia and the like.

Batman Begins is almost quintessential in its discovery of the man, the reason and the motivation - without any ad hoc street dance scenes (not that Toby didn't excel, and I did love the "raindrops analogy").... but have you ever seen Batman cry? No! Because he's bitter dude. You have to have some angst (other than you aunt losing her house) to excel as a superhero.

Also, kudos on the pick-up Denz (I'll be checkin' out yer stuff) of the production - I missed that. Awesome.

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5:17AM on 05/11/2007

Thank You Denz & Knight

I agree, the first four (minus the 1st, Michael Keaton was brilliant) Batmans were not so very good. He is the "Dark Knight" and, after the 1st film, they tried to make him more "user friendly" with Jim Carrey, Arnie, Alicia and the like.

Batman Begins is almost quintessential in its discovery of the man, the reason and the motivation - without any ad hoc street dance scenes (not that Toby didn't excel, and I did love the "raindrops analogy").... but have you ever seen Batman cry? No!
I agree, the first four (minus the 1st, Michael Keaton was brilliant) Batmans were not so very good. He is the "Dark Knight" and, after the 1st film, they tried to make him more "user friendly" with Jim Carrey, Arnie, Alicia and the like.

Batman Begins is almost quintessential in its discovery of the man, the reason and the motivation - without any ad hoc street dance scenes (not that Toby didn't excel, and I did love the "raindrops analogy").... but have you ever seen Batman cry? No! Because he's bitter dude. You have to have some angst (other than you aunt losing her house) to excel as a superhero.

Also, kudos on the pick-up Denz (I'll be checkin' out yer stuff) of the production - I missed that. Awesome.

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3:00AM on 05/11/2007

seriously...

John Franco? Try James Franco... "he" as a producer... Laura Ziskin said she wanted to continue making Spidy films... Laura dude... Really man, if your gonna write for a website as respectable as JoBlo, than get your facts straight. Do some research first please....
John Franco? Try James Franco... "he" as a producer... Laura Ziskin said she wanted to continue making Spidy films... Laura dude... Really man, if your gonna write for a website as respectable as JoBlo, than get your facts straight. Do some research first please....
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2:52AM on 05/11/2007

ENTIRE BATMAN FRANCHIZE SUCKS?

"As a matter of fact, the entire Batman franchise is a good example of what not to do."
OK, if this includes first 4 movies, maybe I could agree, but if this also includes BATMAN BEGINS, then no way. BEGINS surpases all three Spidey movies together.
"As a matter of fact, the entire Batman franchise is a good example of what not to do."
OK, if this includes first 4 movies, maybe I could agree, but if this also includes BATMAN BEGINS, then no way. BEGINS surpases all three Spidey movies together.
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2:36AM on 05/11/2007

Beat Titanic?

Oh for gawd's sake. Unless you get Leo and Kate - or this generation's similar - and make a huge [link] film, you're not going to get 10-24 year old girls to watch it over and over and over. That was Titanic's success. Every week these girls would get their allowance and pay to see the movie again. It didn't only hit the girls (the biggest spending demographic are the tweenies), but it hit the boys from 9-13 as well. They repeatedly put their money down.

Spidey doesn't stand a change of
Oh for gawd's sake. Unless you get Leo and Kate - or this generation's similar - and make a huge [link] film, you're not going to get 10-24 year old girls to watch it over and over and over. That was Titanic's success. Every week these girls would get their allowance and pay to see the movie again. It didn't only hit the girls (the biggest spending demographic are the tweenies), but it hit the boys from 9-13 as well. They repeatedly put their money down.

Spidey doesn't stand a change of that kind of repeat business. A lot of people were embarrassed by all the whining that went on in Spidey 3.

Personally - and I realize I'm outvoted here - I believe Batman Begins was superior.

Oh - and stop slamming Kirsten. She's the only honest young actress out there. What? You want Lindsay?

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1:16AM on 05/11/2007

No Way!

By no means was 3 better than 2. Not even close. 2 is the best superhero movie of all time. the story, characters, conflict, villains, action, coolness was through the roof in 2. 3 was a good movie, don't get me wrong, but it had a lot of problems. Mainly not enough time to develop any of the characters.

I think it's time for Raimi to hang it up. Why? It's not because I don't like him, he did wonders for the franchise. I want someone fresh. I want someone else's take on the
By no means was 3 better than 2. Not even close. 2 is the best superhero movie of all time. the story, characters, conflict, villains, action, coolness was through the roof in 2. 3 was a good movie, don't get me wrong, but it had a lot of problems. Mainly not enough time to develop any of the characters.

I think it's time for Raimi to hang it up. Why? It's not because I don't like him, he did wonders for the franchise. I want someone fresh. I want someone else's take on the characters. I want a new director, new actors, new plots, new ways of approaching things. Now that's interesting. Raimi, Maguire, and Dunst had their go for three rounds and they should be able to move on. It's time for the torch to be passed.

AND Dunst was fantastic in all the movies. I dunno why people have such a problem with her. She did a great job and was one half of the love story.
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1:02AM on 05/11/2007

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"Sam Raimi is a good director, but what makes him great with Spider-Man is his respect for the character. He really seems to get Spider-man and that love and respect comes out on the big screen."

Is why Raimi should continue to do them, i dont think anybody else will 'respect' Spiderman to do it right. He didnt change anything or try to make it 'fit' for movies he did it the way its suppose to be done and it works.
"Sam Raimi is a good director, but what makes him great with Spider-Man is his respect for the character. He really seems to get Spider-man and that love and respect comes out on the big screen."

Is why Raimi should continue to do them, i dont think anybody else will 'respect' Spiderman to do it right. He didnt change anything or try to make it 'fit' for movies he did it the way its suppose to be done and it works.
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12:50AM on 05/11/2007
It's time for people to stop saying, "It has a chance to beat Titanic" It really is going annoying. There have been too many films that have been left in the wake from a great opening weekend to not it 500 mil for people to continue to say that crapping statement. I want it to happen just as much as anyone, but until a film hits 550mil or even 500 mil, stop with that commment. I would love to see Spidey 4 though, but only with the same cast and especially only Raimi.
It's time for people to stop saying, "It has a chance to beat Titanic" It really is going annoying. There have been too many films that have been left in the wake from a great opening weekend to not it 500 mil for people to continue to say that crapping statement. I want it to happen just as much as anyone, but until a film hits 550mil or even 500 mil, stop with that commment. I would love to see Spidey 4 though, but only with the same cast and especially only Raimi.
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12:40AM on 05/11/2007
I would like to see more Spidey's... but bring in a whole new cast and crew... some fresh blood to bring a new twist the franchise. And no, Spider-Man 3 wont beat Titanic.... not even gonna come close with the way it fell off this week.
I would like to see more Spidey's... but bring in a whole new cast and crew... some fresh blood to bring a new twist the franchise. And no, Spider-Man 3 wont beat Titanic.... not even gonna come close with the way it fell off this week.
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