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C'mon Hollywood #130

Jul. 13, 2007by: Sturdy

... give Mark Steven Johnson something else to do!
by Sturdy

After watching GHOST RIDER a couple of weeks ago, Ive realized that Hollywood needs to stop giving Mark Steven Johnson comic book movies. He seems like a nice guy and all, but he's really dissappointed me twice with DAREDEVIL and then again with GHOST RIDER. I think it's about time he venture out into a realm of films that don't involve people with superpowers.

The problem with Mark Steven Johnson is that he doesnt fully screw up his comic book movies. Its not like he put Daredevil in a green suit, or made the Ghost Rider wear sweatpants. He stays pretty true to the feel of the comic, he just makes his movies so average that they end up being a big letdown. DAREDEVIL and GHOST RIDER were both decent films, but theyre all also very forgettable films, and thats not something you want in a comic book movie. I shouldnt be watching a blind guy do martial arts or a skeleton ride around on fire and feel like Im watching a Lifetime drama.


Ok, there were two things I liked about Ghost Rider...

Another problem I have with his comic book movies is that I dont feel he takes his characters seriously. Both of his comic book films have moments that make you cringe from the cheesiness (the ride across the desert in GHOST RIDER was horrible). He also seems to be completely oblivious to what his characters are going through. Super heroes are typically complex characters, not just live action toys. Marks super heroes feel very one-dimensional because he never takes the time to develop them, hes always too busy trying to get them into a fight.


Granted, he was only an executive producer, but ELEKTRA was pretty bad.

And since were talking about fighting, Mark Steven Johnson just doesn't seem to be able to choreograph a good fight scene. DAREDEVIL was ripe with potential for some great action scenes but none of them were even moderately exciting. How can you make such awesome characters like Ghost Rider and Daredevil boring? Its hard to make an ordinary film when your lead character is a motor-cycle riding skeleton that happens to be on fire. It's that lack of excitement that leads me to believe Mark is ready for something different .

If you havent listened to one of his commentaries on his films, then I recommend it. He mentioned in the GHOST RIDER commentary that critics dont like his films because critics dont like comic book movies. The problem isnt that critics dont like comic book movies, its that critics dont like his comic book movies. SPIDER-MAN 2, BATMAN BEGINS, SUPERMAN, etc. all got good reviews from the critics and managed to be successful. Thats because they were all fantastic films with great stories, great acting and great directing. It takes more to win critics over than to have a big actor and a recognizable character.


I dont care what anyone says, I think Affleck was a great Daredevil.

So c'mon Hollywood, let Mark Steven Johnson do something different and give the comic book movies to someone else. With such dissappointing originals, the potential for quality sequels is less now because the first ones were released with a whimper. On the bright side, if THE HULK can get a sequel, maybe they can try again with DAREDEVIL.

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3:53AM on 10/01/2007

Cannot disagree more

Saying MSJ should make more movies is like saying Uwe Boll should make more movies.

Daredevil was one of the worst comic book flicks ever made. Period.
Saying MSJ should make more movies is like saying Uwe Boll should make more movies.

Daredevil was one of the worst comic book flicks ever made. Period.
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2:15PM on 07/17/2007
I agree with you that Ben Affleck is a great actor and made a good DareDevil.

But don't knock on The Hulk. He was always on of my favorite comic book characters and I love the movie. It's just one of the directions it could go in. And now it's taking another so all you haters can shut the fuck up about the first one and love the 2nd.
I agree with you that Ben Affleck is a great actor and made a good DareDevil.

But don't knock on The Hulk. He was always on of my favorite comic book characters and I love the movie. It's just one of the directions it could go in. And now it's taking another so all you haters can shut the fuck up about the first one and love the 2nd.
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12:59PM on 07/14/2007

Terrible

Yeah Affleck was not what was wrong with Dare Devil. It was everything else. The guy doesn't know what he's doing behind the camera. And learn how to incorporate music into a film and not just throw it at it.
Yeah Affleck was not what was wrong with Dare Devil. It was everything else. The guy doesn't know what he's doing behind the camera. And learn how to incorporate music into a film and not just throw it at it.
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12:39AM on 07/14/2007

shelman2392,


Why would you assume that MSJ's going to grow as a director? As far as I can tell, and it seems that most here agree, each new movie he does is actually worse than the one before it. His fanboy enthusiasm isn't in question; his talent is...and he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes.

For example, like or loathe DD, everyone seems to agree that the playground scene was tonally wrong. So why was GR played at that same, wrong tone for its entire running time?

Why would you assume that MSJ's going to grow as a director? As far as I can tell, and it seems that most here agree, each new movie he does is actually worse than the one before it. His fanboy enthusiasm isn't in question; his talent is...and he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes.

For example, like or loathe DD, everyone seems to agree that the playground scene was tonally wrong. So why was GR played at that same, wrong tone for its entire running time?
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7:56PM on 07/13/2007
Sturdy doesn't say that Superman Returns was a fantastic film. He said SUPERMAN was. He just happens to mention amongst more recent superhero films.
Sturdy doesn't say that Superman Returns was a fantastic film. He said SUPERMAN was. He just happens to mention amongst more recent superhero films.
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7:48PM on 07/13/2007

I Agree

Im one of the few people out there that likes daredevil. sure it has lots of flaws, and it could of been improved in so many ways, especially development of its characters and the action, it was a good movie. well better than the horrible hulk, elektra, and ghost rider. affleck was good at matt murdock by me. but thats one movie. now ghost rider...
how horrible was that, every time i see it it gets worse and worse, and i cant believe johnson could of released something as bad as that. so yeah
Im one of the few people out there that likes daredevil. sure it has lots of flaws, and it could of been improved in so many ways, especially development of its characters and the action, it was a good movie. well better than the horrible hulk, elektra, and ghost rider. affleck was good at matt murdock by me. but thats one movie. now ghost rider...
how horrible was that, every time i see it it gets worse and worse, and i cant believe johnson could of released something as bad as that. so yeah i feel he should stop making comic book adaptations.
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7:21PM on 07/13/2007

That makes sense...

While I enjoyed Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and even Elektra, I do agree they could have been much better. You're probably right about the director being at fault, maybe he isn't cut out for these kind of films.
While I enjoyed Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and even Elektra, I do agree they could have been much better. You're probably right about the director being at fault, maybe he isn't cut out for these kind of films.
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11:38AM on 07/13/2007
I can agree with what you said, but you're comparing Daredevil and Ghost-Rider (interesting but much more cult-level characters) with Spidey, Bats, and Supes, (I'd include X-men as well) the leading characters that pull in the major green for their respective corporations. These lesser characters are never going to find that large an audience no matter how good the film may be, and they won't be promoted with that goal in mind. Aside from that--DD and GR, what can you do? Was anyone really
I can agree with what you said, but you're comparing Daredevil and Ghost-Rider (interesting but much more cult-level characters) with Spidey, Bats, and Supes, (I'd include X-men as well) the leading characters that pull in the major green for their respective corporations. These lesser characters are never going to find that large an audience no matter how good the film may be, and they won't be promoted with that goal in mind. Aside from that--DD and GR, what can you do? Was anyone really begging for those movies to be made?
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11:32AM on 07/13/2007

A matter of opinion...

I actually really liked Ghost Rider. I thought it was pretty neat besides Wes Bentley's character. I also really liked Daredevil, it was just the casting that ruined it for me. Ben Affleck and Colin Farrell were both pretty awful. Elektra... well that could have been better. Either way, comic book movies aren't ever going to be these great epic master pieces (unless it's 300). They're just supposed to be fun and creative, which I think Mark Steven Johnson accomplishes.

On a side note,
I actually really liked Ghost Rider. I thought it was pretty neat besides Wes Bentley's character. I also really liked Daredevil, it was just the casting that ruined it for me. Ben Affleck and Colin Farrell were both pretty awful. Elektra... well that could have been better. Either way, comic book movies aren't ever going to be these great epic master pieces (unless it's 300). They're just supposed to be fun and creative, which I think Mark Steven Johnson accomplishes.

On a side note, the fights in the films could have been choreographed much better (especially Elektra) but I still enjoyed watching them.
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10:01AM on 07/13/2007

I agree, but...

What do you mean his characters "feel very one-dimensional," and he doesn't develop them? I guess you forgot about Nicholas Cage eating "Hot Tamales" candies from a glass! If that doesn't add some uniqueness to a character, I don't know what does! I mean, candy from a glass, man!!! That's so wild!

Nah, but seriously, I thought Daredevil was pretty decent; Ghost Rider was... not. Well, the scenes with Ghost Rider were pretty darn cool, because the CG effects were interesting to look at.
What do you mean his characters "feel very one-dimensional," and he doesn't develop them? I guess you forgot about Nicholas Cage eating "Hot Tamales" candies from a glass! If that doesn't add some uniqueness to a character, I don't know what does! I mean, candy from a glass, man!!! That's so wild!

Nah, but seriously, I thought Daredevil was pretty decent; Ghost Rider was... not. Well, the scenes with Ghost Rider were pretty darn cool, because the CG effects were interesting to look at. But the scenes without a flaming skull somewhere on the screen were just bad.
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8:13AM on 07/13/2007

MadMax

MSJ went into HBO studios with all the Preacher trades and dropped them on the table and said "One issue is one episode" and they said "Okay". It's going to be a series, with MSJ producing. From what I heard he and Garth Ennis are working on the pilot (but don't quote me there) and he wants to have other directors like Kevin Smith, etc., those who were fans of the book, to come and direct episodes. Preacher was my fav. comic, and I worry for it, but he can totally earn my vote with one
MSJ went into HBO studios with all the Preacher trades and dropped them on the table and said "One issue is one episode" and they said "Okay". It's going to be a series, with MSJ producing. From what I heard he and Garth Ennis are working on the pilot (but don't quote me there) and he wants to have other directors like Kevin Smith, etc., those who were fans of the book, to come and direct episodes. Preacher was my fav. comic, and I worry for it, but he can totally earn my vote with one strong casting choice for Jesse Custer... Nathan Fillion. As for DareDevil, I loved it with the exception of the playground fight between Matt and Elektra. That was so cheesy. And Ghost Rider? I felt like I had actually met the Ghost Rider and suffered his penance stare, having been forced to relive the pain of watching that movie.
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7:03AM on 07/13/2007
I can't understand that many people thought that ghost raider at least were decent/watchable. Just a horrible, horrible(!) film. Nothing good with it.

Why give this guy more jobs when there must be lots of directors out their with great potential.
I can't understand that many people thought that ghost raider at least were decent/watchable. Just a horrible, horrible(!) film. Nothing good with it.

Why give this guy more jobs when there must be lots of directors out their with great potential.
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5:06AM on 07/13/2007
Just one thing: Ghost Rider sucked because (stupid) producers hired Johnson even after they've seen Daredevil.
Just one thing: Ghost Rider sucked because (stupid) producers hired Johnson even after they've seen Daredevil.
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4:08AM on 07/13/2007

MSJ is terriible

He has the worst driest stock dialogue ever. I hated watching Ghost Rider because i think Cage could have pulled off the rider.

And, theshadowalker, i didn't know he was eyeing, Preacher. I heard HBO was going to do it. I fucking love, Custer and Tulip and Cassidy. If they did make a Preacher movie, MSJ will not direct it, i'll make sure of that. and Depp would be Custer.
He has the worst driest stock dialogue ever. I hated watching Ghost Rider because i think Cage could have pulled off the rider.

And, theshadowalker, i didn't know he was eyeing, Preacher. I heard HBO was going to do it. I fucking love, Custer and Tulip and Cassidy. If they did make a Preacher movie, MSJ will not direct it, i'll make sure of that. and Depp would be Custer.
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3:29AM on 07/13/2007
If you want to see a good movie that he's done that isn't a comic book movie then rent Simon Birch. It's a really good movie.

Oh and btw, while Ghost Rider was lame, I LOVED Daredevil. And the action scenes in DD were GREAT!

I also thought Elektra wasn't that bad. It was entertaining.
If you want to see a good movie that he's done that isn't a comic book movie then rent Simon Birch. It's a really good movie.

Oh and btw, while Ghost Rider was lame, I LOVED Daredevil. And the action scenes in DD were GREAT!

I also thought Elektra wasn't that bad. It was entertaining.
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1:42AM on 07/13/2007

Superman a great film? Don't think so!

I usually like your little tirades of sorts, but I don't really agree with you. Superman was a great film? I don't know what film you saw. Granted MSJ's films aren't classics, but they are all mildly entertaining. Besides that he has only directed 3 films! If after at least a few more of his films suck then you are more than welcome to rip on him. He really seems to immerse himself in what he is doing which is something at least. I still think he will have many BETTER things to come in the
I usually like your little tirades of sorts, but I don't really agree with you. Superman was a great film? I don't know what film you saw. Granted MSJ's films aren't classics, but they are all mildly entertaining. Besides that he has only directed 3 films! If after at least a few more of his films suck then you are more than welcome to rip on him. He really seems to immerse himself in what he is doing which is something at least. I still think he will have many BETTER things to come in the future. This guy is really just getting started, so let's cut him a little slack Huh? Oh you are right about "Elektra," That was terribly painful to watch, and an embarrassment to whoever was involved in that terrible flick.
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1:20AM on 07/13/2007
My god, you are a legend in my book. Daredevil was just medicore with medicore actors and a medicore director. I mean, Ghost Rider was fucking horrible. I was like eye raped by Cage.
My god, you are a legend in my book. Daredevil was just medicore with medicore actors and a medicore director. I mean, Ghost Rider was fucking horrible. I was like eye raped by Cage.
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12:16AM on 07/13/2007

Couldn't. agree. more.


I didn't think DD was too bad; but I loathed Ghost Rider. It was like trying to endure a family-friendly, PG-rated version of Blade. Just...wrong.

And MSJ kept saying that the CG Rider itself was so expensive that they couldn't use it much...so why'd they waste money CGing the close-ups? Couldn't they have just gotten, y'know, a REAL skull? It couldn't've looked much worse.

Also, what was with all that painfully obvious setting up of the other Rider...and then proceeding to do

I didn't think DD was too bad; but I loathed Ghost Rider. It was like trying to endure a family-friendly, PG-rated version of Blade. Just...wrong.

And MSJ kept saying that the CG Rider itself was so expensive that they couldn't use it much...so why'd they waste money CGing the close-ups? Couldn't they have just gotten, y'know, a REAL skull? It couldn't've looked much worse.

Also, what was with all that painfully obvious setting up of the other Rider...and then proceeding to do absolutely NOTHING with the character?

Now MSJ's eyeing Preacher. Yikes. Didn't Ghost Rider prove that MSJ just has no feel for that whole gothic/western vibe?
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12:02AM on 07/13/2007
Daredevil is the best superhero movie yet but Ghost Rider was the worst movie of 2007 no doubt.
Daredevil is the best superhero movie yet but Ghost Rider was the worst movie of 2007 no doubt.
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