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C'mon Hollywood #163

Jun. 3, 2008by: Sturdy

... give em hell Oliver Stone!
by Sturdy

Theres a famous quote attributed to Harry S. Truman when he was giving a speech and someone shouted from the crowd give em hell Harry! He responded by saying I dont give them hell, I give them the truth and they think its hell. Ive always loved that quote and I think its appropriate for Oliver Stone and his upcoming film W. We all know hes going to take some serious crap for it, regardless of how good the film turns out to be. What I want is for him to take the gloves off and come out swinging, but still keep it factual. As much as I dont want him to make a fictitious film full of heresy, I also dont want him to make a sugar-coated movie because hes scared about the public reaction.


They definitely look the part.

This might seem strange coming from me. A few years ago I wrote an article asking Hollywood to be careful with 9/11 . They were moderately sensitive to the subject and Im still thankful for that, but were not talking about 9/11, were talking about the future, former President of the USA. Like him or hate him, hes been involved in some major events in US history and the only thing left is to make a movie about his Presidency.


I hope he does his homework.

I got completely sick of Hollywood trying to butt into the political situation four years ago. It obviously didnt help Kerry too much and I sometimes think that the public actually begins to look down on a candidate that has the support of famous celebrities. Celebrities have a reputation for being immoral partiers and drug addicts (not always justified) and thats not exactly who you want giving you political advice. Its like taking stock tips from the homeless guy outside the gas station. It might be good advice, but you have to look at your source.


Im pretty sure this film wasnt completely accurate

But now Oliver Stone (who has had his own legal trouble) has decided to make a movie about Mr. Bush. I think he has an opportunity to educate a lot of people on the actions of the 43rd President of the United States. However, Stone doesnt have a history of recreating American history to exact detail. Thats where I get nervous. If Stone adds in his own commentary and changes the facts and history, then this film will be a joke and another weapon right wing conservatives use against liberals. Its important that he make it as accurate as possible. He needs to look at it as if hes writing a research paper for a very strict professor. We need references and citations for every scene. He needs to be able to throw the book at the critics. The truth will hurt more than fiction.


Still my favorite Oliver Stone film.

I would have preferred for someone like Milos Forman or another director with a proven history of accurately portraying history to take this type of project on, but Stone definitely has the kohonies for it. I loved JFK, even if the facts are still up in the air. Im just afraid that W will be attacked in the same manner and that will ruin the film, and the storys credibility. Hollywood will never change a persons political views, and they shouldnt try. What Hollywood can do is make a fact based movie that might open up the eyes of people that wouldnt otherwise be privy to the information.

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9:45AM on 06/03/2008
Boring subject!!!

and what is so interesting about W. that he have to make into the movie anyway.
Boring subject!!!

and what is so interesting about W. that he have to make into the movie anyway.
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10:14AM on 06/03/2008
No offence but the " C'mon Hollywood " stories are really wearing thin nowadays, thought we had a decent one in " Don't let Indy go out like that " only to be followed up with this. I thought these articles were supposed to be about genuine gripes and issues moviegoers can get behind. I'm not the slightest bit interested in W or Oliver Stone ( not anymore anyway ), don't take it the wrong way Sturdy it's just my two cents that these are getting pret-ty boring now
No offence but the " C'mon Hollywood " stories are really wearing thin nowadays, thought we had a decent one in " Don't let Indy go out like that " only to be followed up with this. I thought these articles were supposed to be about genuine gripes and issues moviegoers can get behind. I'm not the slightest bit interested in W or Oliver Stone ( not anymore anyway ), don't take it the wrong way Sturdy it's just my two cents that these are getting pret-ty boring now
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10:22AM on 06/03/2008
Yes, should Stone stick to the well-documented facts of the Bush '43 travesty, it should be damning enough on it's own.

Maybe this film will be closer to Stone's humanistic "Nixon" portrayal though?
Yes, should Stone stick to the well-documented facts of the Bush '43 travesty, it should be damning enough on it's own.

Maybe this film will be closer to Stone's humanistic "Nixon" portrayal though?
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1:18PM on 06/03/2008

NO THANKS

This is a horrible idea for a movie. If people can barely stand the guy, then who wants to see a movie about him. We're still seeing this person everday on the TV running the country. Why do we need a movie about him right now? Looks STUPID.
This is a horrible idea for a movie. If people can barely stand the guy, then who wants to see a movie about him. We're still seeing this person everday on the TV running the country. Why do we need a movie about him right now? Looks STUPID.
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4:43PM on 06/03/2008

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I thought this was a well-written article. While i don't always agree with Sturdy (for example "Let Star Wars Go George") the articles are always enjoyable. Sometimes it won't be a topic you care about.
I thought this was a well-written article. While i don't always agree with Sturdy (for example "Let Star Wars Go George") the articles are always enjoyable. Sometimes it won't be a topic you care about.
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5:06PM on 06/03/2008
Psycho, fair point broseph. Like I said, just my two cents and mean no offence. I do think, however, that I am not the only one who has been getting less and less interested in the articles lately. I love all the writers here on Joblo but this is the only recurring article that doesn't really interest me as much anymore. Then again, I don't have to read it do I? : )
Psycho, fair point broseph. Like I said, just my two cents and mean no offence. I do think, however, that I am not the only one who has been getting less and less interested in the articles lately. I love all the writers here on Joblo but this is the only recurring article that doesn't really interest me as much anymore. Then again, I don't have to read it do I? : )
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7:52PM on 06/03/2008
Not a bad article Sturdy. Personally would rather see Oliver Stone go a different direction. A lot of the political films just bore me. I see enough of that politic shit plastered all over the damn TV. I'd prefer not so much of it go into my beloved movies.
Not a bad article Sturdy. Personally would rather see Oliver Stone go a different direction. A lot of the political films just bore me. I see enough of that politic shit plastered all over the damn TV. I'd prefer not so much of it go into my beloved movies.
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8:52PM on 06/03/2008
I have to agree i used to love the c'mon hollywood articles because they seemed to have a bright insight into hollywood but since the new year they just seem like ramblings of movie nerds (like me) and it could be so much better
I have to agree i used to love the c'mon hollywood articles because they seemed to have a bright insight into hollywood but since the new year they just seem like ramblings of movie nerds (like me) and it could be so much better
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10:02PM on 06/03/2008

My prediction:

1. This movie will get a shitload of attention from the media 2 weeks before its release.
2. It will than fail miserably at the box-office.

It could make an interesting watch on DVD, but I wouldn't pay to see this in theaters. Maybe it'll even rack up some awards (Oscar does love those bio-pics). Since this isn't a documentary, several libierties will be taken with the facts, but I'm still hoping Stone can make a decent movie out of all of it.
1. This movie will get a shitload of attention from the media 2 weeks before its release.
2. It will than fail miserably at the box-office.

It could make an interesting watch on DVD, but I wouldn't pay to see this in theaters. Maybe it'll even rack up some awards (Oscar does love those bio-pics). Since this isn't a documentary, several libierties will be taken with the facts, but I'm still hoping Stone can make a decent movie out of all of it.
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10:15PM on 06/03/2008

fuck oliver stone

I'm fairly sure Oliver Stone has never made a good movie (though I havent seen Natural Born Killers, yet I know he raped Tarantinos original script).

Stone loves attention of the media, loves controversial topics, but doesn't convey them in a meaningful way. Look at United 93 and World Trade Center, there is a certain self-indulgence in Stone's film.

Platoon would be his best work, his own Vietnam service helped the movies realistic tone, however I felt it to be dull and not engaging,
I'm fairly sure Oliver Stone has never made a good movie (though I havent seen Natural Born Killers, yet I know he raped Tarantinos original script).

Stone loves attention of the media, loves controversial topics, but doesn't convey them in a meaningful way. Look at United 93 and World Trade Center, there is a certain self-indulgence in Stone's film.

Platoon would be his best work, his own Vietnam service helped the movies realistic tone, however I felt it to be dull and not engaging, there are numerous better Vietnam films than Platoon, sorry Oliver.
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5:07AM on 06/04/2008

A couple things.

First off: This movie will be absolutley terrible. People already hate our current president so why do they want to see him in a movie? And no Bush is not the worst president ever. Hoover, Nixon, Clinton ring any bells? Yes I said Bill Clinton. You know the Bill Clinton that was almost impeached and left our economy in shambles at the end of his presidency?

Second: Oliver Stone has been making crap since.. well ever.

And Third: I agree that these Cmon Hollywood articles have
First off: This movie will be absolutley terrible. People already hate our current president so why do they want to see him in a movie? And no Bush is not the worst president ever. Hoover, Nixon, Clinton ring any bells? Yes I said Bill Clinton. You know the Bill Clinton that was almost impeached and left our economy in shambles at the end of his presidency?

Second: Oliver Stone has been making crap since.. well ever.

And Third: I agree that these Cmon Hollywood articles have been getting boring.The last good one was the stupid names one. But ever since the new year they have drastically declined.
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2:31AM on 06/05/2008
This article should have been titled "please don't make this movie". I mean, I'm all for biopics, but to make a film about the man straight after he's out of the office is a little weird and seems to reek of capitalizing on the current bandwagon which plagues college and university students who have nothing better to do with their lives than talk about how Bush fucked everything up, and thus, think they know everything about politics.
I don't give a rats ass about Bush either way, but I think
This article should have been titled "please don't make this movie". I mean, I'm all for biopics, but to make a film about the man straight after he's out of the office is a little weird and seems to reek of capitalizing on the current bandwagon which plagues college and university students who have nothing better to do with their lives than talk about how Bush fucked everything up, and thus, think they know everything about politics.
I don't give a rats ass about Bush either way, but I think this film is totally unnecessary at this point in time.

To rant a little further, I have a couple of friends who love sprouting on about how dumb Bush is....and I don't care! I live in Australia, I know we're effected by US politics a little, but fucking hell, I really don't care!
I know they're going to recommend this film to me because "its so funny", or "it's so true"...arrrghhh!!!
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2:47PM on 06/09/2008
Milos Forman making an accurate historical film would be akin to saying let's screw for virginity.
Milos Forman making an accurate historical film would be akin to saying let's screw for virginity.
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