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10.20.2008

... keep the Avengers simple!
by Sturdy

So anyone that has seen IRON MAN and THE INCREDIBLE HULK, knows that Marvel studios is laying the groundwork for an upcoming Avengers movie. Theyíre not really even being sly about it, theyíre basically telling you thatís what they want and where they want to take these characters. But whenever you combine superheroes together and get a bunch of big stars in the same film, things have a tendency to go wrong. So as much as Iím all for an Avengers movie, Marvel needs to go about it the right way.


Iím all for an Avengers movieÖif done right.

To start out, they need to study the model of whatís going on or went on with the JLA movie. They need to really take that example, and then do the exact opposite. WB and everyone else involved with JLA from the beginning has made decisions that has induced fits of nausea and rage in fanboys across the globe. So to recap, here are some general guidelinesÖ


Good example of what not to do.

First, you absolutely have to have the same actors reprising their roles. It looks like RDJ and Ed Norton are at least open to the idea, so theyíre going in the right direction. But at this stage, can you imagine the horror if they cast some CW reject in the lead role of Iron Man? I know itís not even up for consideration, but then again, I never thought theyíd consider that for JLA either. Audiences love RDJ as Iron Man and Ed Norton as Hulk, so lets keep it that way for now.


I canít imagine anyone else as Iron Man.

Second, they have to do something with Captain America before the Avengers movie comes out. Oh, and you have to have Captain America in it, period. We all have our opinions on the Captain, but I think he would be one of (DCís Wonder Woman being the other) the hardest characters to do right by on the big screen. With such a big focus going on Iron Man and Hulk, youíd have to have a standalone film propping up Captain America before youíd thrust him into an Avengers movie. Itís true that people familiar with the comics would be fine, but imagine if you knew little or nothing about Captain. The whole frozen and then thawed explanation canít be done justice in a sentence or two.


Love the idea of having The Hulk be the villain

Third, get a director that knows what the hell theyíre doing. Donít give this story to someone thatís going to churn out a bland, cookie-cutter version of what he thinks audiences want to see. Give it to someone that has directed a successful superhero movie before and that will take the time to do it right. The movie will need some style and a director with a vision. Oh, and while weíre at it; the studio needs to trust whichever director they choose. Let them take the idea and run with it.


Favs did well with IRON MAN, why not give him the helm to The Avengers?

Finally, and this is most important, keep it simple! We donít need twenty characters running around the screen vying for time. I love the earlier idea of making Hulk the villain . That negates the need for a long setup for a villain. Throw in Iron Man, Captain America and maybe one or two other characters and you have yourself a film. We donít need a repeat of X-MEN 3. I love cameos and itíd be cool to see Spidey swinging around at some point, but donít go overboard with it. Keep the focus narrow and the characters to a minimum and I think the Avengers movie will be a blast.

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12:48PM on 10/21/2008

im down

the hulk as the villian is perfect

cap has to be a star but not nearly as big as rdj or norton someone we know but it dont need to be leo or pitt

thor is a must and nick furry is already in the picture as sammy j

but who else

im sure marvel will figure it out there 2 for 2 so far on there own
the hulk as the villian is perfect

cap has to be a star but not nearly as big as rdj or norton someone we know but it dont need to be leo or pitt

thor is a must and nick furry is already in the picture as sammy j

but who else

im sure marvel will figure it out there 2 for 2 so far on there own
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7:53PM on 10/20/2008

ive got it

i think hancock should help bring down the hulk... think about the possibilities.
i think hancock should help bring down the hulk... think about the possibilities.
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4:13PM on 10/20/2008
I'm fairly confident that Marvel Studios will create a decent film. They have already proven themselves worthy from The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man. Besides, who better to know their own comic book characters than the studio that created them? If anyone can pull of a successful adaptation of super-heroes banding together to fight evil-doers, it has to be the company and genius-minds that started it all.
I'm fairly confident that Marvel Studios will create a decent film. They have already proven themselves worthy from The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man. Besides, who better to know their own comic book characters than the studio that created them? If anyone can pull of a successful adaptation of super-heroes banding together to fight evil-doers, it has to be the company and genius-minds that started it all.
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3:48PM on 10/20/2008

Its cool But ............

The Hulk was and excellent movie, I liked it just as much as IronMan, maybe make him the bad dude for a bit of the movie but then helps them out when they need it. Also Thor needs his movie first to.
The Hulk was and excellent movie, I liked it just as much as IronMan, maybe make him the bad dude for a bit of the movie but then helps them out when they need it. Also Thor needs his movie first to.
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3:34PM on 10/20/2008

Favreau

How do we know that Favs would WANT do do an Avengers movie? It's like saying Scorcese would only like to do gangster movies (even though he does a good number of them). Marvel so far has been good at picking directors who have a good grasp of the type of story they want to visualize (I'm talking Marvel STUDIOS, not when they were hostage to guys like Tim Story, Brett Ratner and that guy who totally screwed up Daredevil). For the operatic and over-the-top THOR, Marvel has already identified
How do we know that Favs would WANT do do an Avengers movie? It's like saying Scorcese would only like to do gangster movies (even though he does a good number of them). Marvel so far has been good at picking directors who have a good grasp of the type of story they want to visualize (I'm talking Marvel STUDIOS, not when they were hostage to guys like Tim Story, Brett Ratner and that guy who totally screwed up Daredevil). For the operatic and over-the-top THOR, Marvel has already identified Kenneth Brannaugh (yeah, I messed up the spelling). I have no complaints on their choice of directors so far.
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3:18PM on 10/20/2008
Red Skull or Hitler as the main villain in the Captain flick?

Id like to see there be two villains the other villain could be putting all kinds of bad ideas in Bruce's head while he pits him against the others throughout the film.

Im so hyped for Captain America right now. Thor could be introduced easily during the Avengers and have his movie later on.

The Hulk was already a villain in the Ultimate Avengers animated flick but that would be tits to see on the big screen.
Red Skull or Hitler as the main villain in the Captain flick?

Id like to see there be two villains the other villain could be putting all kinds of bad ideas in Bruce's head while he pits him against the others throughout the film.

Im so hyped for Captain America right now. Thor could be introduced easily during the Avengers and have his movie later on.

The Hulk was already a villain in the Ultimate Avengers animated flick but that would be tits to see on the big screen.
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3:15PM on 10/20/2008
If you're gonna make an avengers movie at least do some research on the comic and also listen to some of the comic fans. Hollywood needs to realize that fans aren't stupid like the bimbos they fuck on the weekend.
If you're gonna make an avengers movie at least do some research on the comic and also listen to some of the comic fans. Hollywood needs to realize that fans aren't stupid like the bimbos they fuck on the weekend.
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2:26PM on 10/20/2008

uh...

i guess this author's been living under a rock since we've all know for months that the cap' movie comes out right before avengers. as far as making it work on the big screen, well maybe this author isn't privy to this well known info either, but would't one be more worried about thor?
i guess this author's been living under a rock since we've all know for months that the cap' movie comes out right before avengers. as far as making it work on the big screen, well maybe this author isn't privy to this well known info either, but would't one be more worried about thor?
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2:09PM on 10/20/2008

Well said

Definitely must have same actors. Although I don't agree on The Hulk being the villian after what happened in The Incredible Hulk. I would buy it if say The Leader finds a way to control and manipulate the Hulk for his own evil doing. But I don't like the idea of the Hulk becoming evil on his own. Not after what happened in the last Hulk movie.
Definitely must have same actors. Although I don't agree on The Hulk being the villian after what happened in The Incredible Hulk. I would buy it if say The Leader finds a way to control and manipulate the Hulk for his own evil doing. But I don't like the idea of the Hulk becoming evil on his own. Not after what happened in the last Hulk movie.
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2:05PM on 10/20/2008
Want a good movie. dopnt choose a director that his most recent movies were all children movies. Marvel did the best thing by making marvel studios. Frankly the justice league movie is gonna suck.
Want a good movie. dopnt choose a director that his most recent movies were all children movies. Marvel did the best thing by making marvel studios. Frankly the justice league movie is gonna suck.
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1:59PM on 10/20/2008
theMonkey speaks of truth. If you would like to believe IMDB release date info it could work too. Cap's movie is set to be released May 6th, as the Avengers movie is set to July 15th both in the year 2011.

Having it center around Cap, Iron Man and Thor vs. Hulk would do good too. Ant-Man and maybe Wasp can be thrown in somewhere just for a few secs for the fans.

Come on Marvel and come on Hollywood. Kick ass. Please, kick ass.
theMonkey speaks of truth. If you would like to believe IMDB release date info it could work too. Cap's movie is set to be released May 6th, as the Avengers movie is set to July 15th both in the year 2011.

Having it center around Cap, Iron Man and Thor vs. Hulk would do good too. Ant-Man and maybe Wasp can be thrown in somewhere just for a few secs for the fans.

Come on Marvel and come on Hollywood. Kick ass. Please, kick ass.
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1:52PM on 10/20/2008
Right on, and I agree that Cap't needs to start in WW2. It would be awesome to see a superhero movie/period movie. I'm still not totally sold on the Hulk as villian concept; it's a good starting point but I think another villian is needed so that there is a real threat.

But this avengers movie is probably at least 5 years away, especially if they want to do iron man 2, captain america, and thor before it.
Right on, and I agree that Cap't needs to start in WW2. It would be awesome to see a superhero movie/period movie. I'm still not totally sold on the Hulk as villian concept; it's a good starting point but I think another villian is needed so that there is a real threat.

But this avengers movie is probably at least 5 years away, especially if they want to do iron man 2, captain america, and thor before it.
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12:55PM on 10/20/2008
The Cap movie needs to be full-blown WW2. There's really no other way to tell the story and to set it up for the Avengers.
The Cap movie needs to be full-blown WW2. There's really no other way to tell the story and to set it up for the Avengers.
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12:47PM on 10/20/2008

AMEN, Sturdy!

Sturdy has hit this beast with a devastating uppercut and left it writhing on the ground! Seriously, these are excellent points on how to make an EXCELLENT Avengers movie. Now if we can get the suits to prop up their eyelids and pay attention.

I'm not sure why there is such a gulf between the people in cinema power and the public in terms of understanding what makes a comic book film adaptation work. More often than not, the studio suits have no passion for these types of projects,
Sturdy has hit this beast with a devastating uppercut and left it writhing on the ground! Seriously, these are excellent points on how to make an EXCELLENT Avengers movie. Now if we can get the suits to prop up their eyelids and pay attention.

I'm not sure why there is such a gulf between the people in cinema power and the public in terms of understanding what makes a comic book film adaptation work. More often than not, the studio suits have no passion for these types of projects, ridiculing and marginalizing the hardcore fans as 'nerds' or 'geeks'. All they see are dollar signs and this greed-over- substance mentality leads them to make character and storyline changes that are designed to pull in a larger demographic rather than remain true to the source material. That's the sad fact of why we receive so many horrible superhero adaptations.

Only a handful of directors have been able to pierce through the committee of idiots and bring us faithful and challenging superhero films like Superman: The Movie, X-Men 1 & 2, Spider-Man 1 & 2, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight. Isn't it funny how a project that focuses on story, rather than simply how many toys can be sold, makes obscene amounts of cash for the very unimaginative jerks that try to tear them down with their focus-group fueled input and their small, tainted fits of so-called inspiration.
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12:16PM on 10/20/2008

Ultimates

You should definitely check out The Ultimates (one and two, but stay the hell away from 3) it's basically written as an Avengers movie, and shows how freaking good Cap can be on screen. (I would prefer his movie start off in WWII then get him in the present, and not starting the avengers with him in ice)

Also since your concerned about cast, I don't think it would be a problem

You have A-listers taking the main stage
Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Fury
Banner

And then you get a few B-listers
You should definitely check out The Ultimates (one and two, but stay the hell away from 3) it's basically written as an Avengers movie, and shows how freaking good Cap can be on screen. (I would prefer his movie start off in WWII then get him in the present, and not starting the avengers with him in ice)

Also since your concerned about cast, I don't think it would be a problem

You have A-listers taking the main stage
Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Fury
Banner

And then you get a few B-listers to round out the team

Giant Man (Hank Pym)
Wasp

Then you have some left over for the sequel (if they do one)
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Quicksilver
Scarlett Witch

Then your set. And as long as you keep hiring actors along the lines of RDJ and Norton (actors who care more about story than screen time) and a director that cares about story and characters. Then you have it made in the shade.

Marvel has laid some really great ground work. Lets hope they can keep it up
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12:04PM on 10/20/2008
Captain America movie with Tony Starks dad being behind the suit/shield. Cut, print, A+
Captain America movie with Tony Starks dad being behind the suit/shield. Cut, print, A+
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11:36AM on 10/20/2008
I agree 100% and I loved the idea of Hulk as a villian too.

As for a director...well, here are your Top candidates In my opinion;

Iron Man: Jon Favreau
Spider-Man: Sam Raimi
Incredible Hulk: Louis Leterrier
X-Men (And Superman): Bryan Singer
Wolverine: Gavin Hood
Thor: Kenneth Branagh
Ant-Man: Edgar Wright

And for the hell of it:
The Dark Knight: Christopher Nolan (I know he didn't do a Marvel movie but he damn well fits the criteria)
I agree 100% and I loved the idea of Hulk as a villian too.

As for a director...well, here are your Top candidates In my opinion;

Iron Man: Jon Favreau
Spider-Man: Sam Raimi
Incredible Hulk: Louis Leterrier
X-Men (And Superman): Bryan Singer
Wolverine: Gavin Hood
Thor: Kenneth Branagh
Ant-Man: Edgar Wright

And for the hell of it:
The Dark Knight: Christopher Nolan (I know he didn't do a Marvel movie but he damn well fits the criteria)
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11:29AM on 10/20/2008

likin it for the most part

i for one do not want to see the hulk be the main villain. i however would love to see a big brawl in the jungle to help bring him in. maybe some giant ant man trying to stomp hulk. after they bring him in do some charecter work to help banner control the hulk. captain america does belong in ww2 and maybe a scene at the iron man and hulk style with fury standing over a thawing caps. favs to direct of course.
i for one do not want to see the hulk be the main villain. i however would love to see a big brawl in the jungle to help bring him in. maybe some giant ant man trying to stomp hulk. after they bring him in do some charecter work to help banner control the hulk. captain america does belong in ww2 and maybe a scene at the iron man and hulk style with fury standing over a thawing caps. favs to direct of course.
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10:27AM on 10/20/2008
I agree with TomThumb, the entire Captain America movie should take place in WW2 with the ending of him being frozen.

I know alot of people would not like this but Id love to see a young Wolverine bump into the good Captain at one point in the movie.

And during the WW2 segment in X-Men Legends: Wolverine the cameo heavy movie could include Captain America.
I agree with TomThumb, the entire Captain America movie should take place in WW2 with the ending of him being frozen.

I know alot of people would not like this but Id love to see a young Wolverine bump into the good Captain at one point in the movie.

And during the WW2 segment in X-Men Legends: Wolverine the cameo heavy movie could include Captain America.
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10:10AM on 10/20/2008
yep, pretty right on about all of this. I do think it would be cool if the standalone flick for Cap focused on his origin with him fighting in WWII and ended with him being frozen...then in 'Avengers' SHIELD finds him.
As for the team roster:
Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Wasp (need a female)
Ant Man (I think they're trying to get a movie going)
Rampaging, out-of-control Hulk (villain)
yep, pretty right on about all of this. I do think it would be cool if the standalone flick for Cap focused on his origin with him fighting in WWII and ended with him being frozen...then in 'Avengers' SHIELD finds him.
As for the team roster:
Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Wasp (need a female)
Ant Man (I think they're trying to get a movie going)
Rampaging, out-of-control Hulk (villain)
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9:35AM on 10/20/2008
I agree that they need to produce a standalone Captain America movie first and tie that into The Avengers movie. And yes, they need to keep it simple like you said. All those cameos we saw in X-Men 3 was cool but that got pretty much wasted in the climax scene.
I agree that they need to produce a standalone Captain America movie first and tie that into The Avengers movie. And yes, they need to keep it simple like you said. All those cameos we saw in X-Men 3 was cool but that got pretty much wasted in the climax scene.
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9:24AM on 10/20/2008
'Donít give this story to someone thatís going to churn out a bland, cookie-cutter version of what he thinks audiences want to see'

So...you mean exactly what Favreau did with Iron Man? Or Leterrier with Incredible Hulk? Yeah, OK.
'Donít give this story to someone thatís going to churn out a bland, cookie-cutter version of what he thinks audiences want to see'

So...you mean exactly what Favreau did with Iron Man? Or Leterrier with Incredible Hulk? Yeah, OK.
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9:06AM on 10/20/2008

HULK the Villian?

I want to see the Avengers fight the HULK, but in no way should he be the main villian of this movie...mostly because the Hulks not a villian. That's not the character they introduced in the movie and not the one in the comics.
I want to see the Avengers fight the HULK, but in no way should he be the main villian of this movie...mostly because the Hulks not a villian. That's not the character they introduced in the movie and not the one in the comics.
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8:58AM on 10/20/2008

I agree 100%

In order for Marvel to do a successful Avengers movie, they must make sure they have all the right pieces. For starters make sure to have Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark/Iron Man and Edward Norton as Bruce Banner/The Incredible Hulk back in the Avengers movie. Second, make sure that the film has a director who knows what he is doing (wouldn't mind Favreau directing since he did a great job directing Iron Man) and not some hack like brett ratner. Third make sure the movie has a good screenplay
In order for Marvel to do a successful Avengers movie, they must make sure they have all the right pieces. For starters make sure to have Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark/Iron Man and Edward Norton as Bruce Banner/The Incredible Hulk back in the Avengers movie. Second, make sure that the film has a director who knows what he is doing (wouldn't mind Favreau directing since he did a great job directing Iron Man) and not some hack like brett ratner. Third make sure the movie has a good screenplay that make sense and that the audience will enjoy.

I think if Marvel has these "pieces" then they are going to make an amazing Avengers movie.

Oh and please, PLEASE make Hulk the villian in the movie. The Incredible Hulk being the villian in the Avengers movie would be well.....Incredible.
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