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C'mon Hollywood #218

Aug. 25, 2009by: J.A. Hamilton

...Batman 3 needs Bane!
by J.A. Hamilton

Some people think THE DARK KNIGHT is overrated, but Im not so sure I agree. Though it may not be the end all be all of comic book movies, there can be no denying how special this film truly is. Rarely do we get sequels (or franchises for that matter) that work and entertain on the level that BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT have. Christopher Nolan had a specific vision for these films, which I believe was always imagined as a trilogy (hence Bale being signed for three movies). After the tragic loss of Heath Ledger, Nolan was clearly troubled, so much so that he admitted to not being sure if hed return to the franchise. But with Bale committed to Bats 3, I cant see Nolan leaving him (or us) hanging. The biggest question now is, how will they move forward? My suggestion, turn to the pages of KNIGHTFALL and bring on Bane.

Every Batman fan should own this book


Ledgers Joker (unlike most villains) didnt die, which Nolan later explained was because he still had a role to play in the third film. I dont think it was a major role, though Id say it was somewhat more significant than Scarecrows cameo in DK. Maybe hell get brought back via CGI, or maybe theyll scrap the Joker all together (as I doubt very much theyd recast him). Heres where Nolan needs to take a good look at what DIDNT work in the past. Weve been hearing rumors of Catwoman, Penguin and Riddler, which quite frankly makes me want to shoot myself. Nolan has created a real world Batman and hell need to follow this recipe if he plans to cook up another masterpiece. Using more human type villains (as opposed to monstrous or supernatural) is also key. I like the use of the mob as a foundation or backdrop of the Gotham underworld, and since Joker and Two-Face wiped out most of the mobs key players, what better way to introduce Bane into the mix (as in the comics, Bane overthrows the mob first anyway).

We can't let Bane go out like this


Bane was born to serve the life sentence of his father in Pena Duro prison. Years later, after becoming King of the prison, he was forced into becoming a test subject for an experimental drug called Venom. He gets dependant on the drugs physically enhancing qualities and as a result must take a dose every twelve hours, hence the tube system going from his back straight to his brain. Bane escapes prison and heads for Gotham, having heard of Batmans reign of fear. Knowing he could never defeat Batman on his own, Bane breaks into Arkham Asylem freeing a pile of Batmans worst enemies. Bane then watches Batman from the shadows, using these villains to weaken his prey both mentally and physically. Having figured out Batmans true identity, Bane decides to strike at him wheres hes most vulnerable, Wayne Manor. In a brutal battle, Bane breaks Batmans back, forcing him to temporarily pass his mantle to his understudy Jean-Paul Valley (who calls himself Azrael) while he designs a new suit to sustain his injury. But when Azrael becomes excessively violent (and then decides he doesnt want to relinquish his title), Bruce must face him as well.

If done right, Azrael would look pretty badass on the big screen


Now again, as far as villains are concerned, heres where Nolan needs to be careful. I chose Bane from Batmans long list of enemies because many of them wouldnt transcend well into film. If earlier Batman films have taught us anything, its that choosing the wrong villains (and then presenting them in an even poorer fashion) can destroy a movie quicker than Uwe Boll! What we need is something fresh, a relentless kind of evil that will instill fear and get under our skin like the Scarecrow did. Bane is an intelligent, cunning and relentless mofo who would shake things up just as hard as the Joker did. This is one of the better ways for Nolan to leave this franchise (that is, of course, if he and Bale choose to). And if they wanna come back, well, theres more than a few ways to leave it open. KNIGHTFALL was so abundant in detail that they could shape a trilogy out of that storyline alone, but even if they keep it to one film, it would damn sure be Batmans greatest challenge (and arguably most entertaining) to date. Oh, and for GOD SAKE, keep Robin out of this!

Did someone say BATMAN AND ROBIN...I didn't think so


Bales the best Batman thus far, and these last two films have re-invigorated a comic book hero who some thought was ruined forever. I have no doubt Nolan will finish his trilogy. And after first watching BATMAN BEGINS, I got the impression Nolan already looked into the KNIGHTFALL series, as like in the book, Bruce travels to the snow capped mountains seeking wisdom and training (though not from Ras Al Ghul), which was one of my favorite aspects of BEGINS. Making Bane the backbone of the story also brings about a second villain in Azrael, and their plot is so well layered that I think it would knock this installment out of the park! The number three has been unlucky in comic book films lately (SPIDEY 3, X-MEN 3, BLADE 3), but theres no reason for this trend to continue. The film will be great either way, but as a die hard fan, Im praying they use the KNIGHTFALL story arc. It would be the perfect way to raise the bar even higher than DK did.
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8:30AM on 08/25/2009
I've been thinking of this ever since I read Knightfall. I can't believe what they did to Bane in Batman & Robin! Robin kicking Bane's Ass - I DON'T THINK SO!

Also, introduce Harley Quinn in the next Batman film - that would be awesome!
I've been thinking of this ever since I read Knightfall. I can't believe what they did to Bane in Batman & Robin! Robin kicking Bane's Ass - I DON'T THINK SO!

Also, introduce Harley Quinn in the next Batman film - that would be awesome!
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8:51AM on 08/25/2009
Knightfall is the quintessential Batman novel and i would love to see it translated to the bigscreen, but although Nolan is obviously extremely talented, i would rather someone such as Cuaron deal with a Bane storyline.

I don't think Nolan ever had Bane in mind when he took over this franchise, it was SC, Joker, and i'm thinking Riddler for the 3rd, that would make more sense to me, it's a more natural progression of the storyline he has fashioned. I'd like to see the return of the League of
Knightfall is the quintessential Batman novel and i would love to see it translated to the bigscreen, but although Nolan is obviously extremely talented, i would rather someone such as Cuaron deal with a Bane storyline.

I don't think Nolan ever had Bane in mind when he took over this franchise, it was SC, Joker, and i'm thinking Riddler for the 3rd, that would make more sense to me, it's a more natural progression of the storyline he has fashioned. I'd like to see the return of the League of Shadows also, just because Ghul was "killed" doesn't mean the organization is no more.

Don't get me wrong, Bane in Nolan's hands, with Knightfall as the template or the inspiration, would be something special, but i would rather him finish this with Riddler, and have someone else start another trilogy with Bane.

The one thing i wonder though, whoever tackles Bane, will they include Batboy getting his back broken? That may be too intense for the younger viewers and they would have to devote a bit of time dealing with the recovery process, will people accept his replacement for an extended period of time? I would, i'm just not sure the majority of other people would.
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8:53AM on 08/25/2009
Thats what I'm talking about. why does everybody wants the riddler? I think they should just make a movie out of Nightfall.
Thats what I'm talking about. why does everybody wants the riddler? I think they should just make a movie out of Nightfall.
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8:54AM on 08/25/2009
You're arguing that a psychopath pepped up on super-soldier serum would fit in with a more realistic vision for Batman? I have to disagree.

While I'm no real fan of the idea of the Penguin, I think that Catwoman and the Riddler would work fine in Nolan's Gotham. You just have to slightly alter them in order to fit the world. Make Catwoman be an industrial spy stealing secrets from Wayne Industries instead of her being a jewel thief. If you take the Riddler and turn him into a psychopath
You're arguing that a psychopath pepped up on super-soldier serum would fit in with a more realistic vision for Batman? I have to disagree.

While I'm no real fan of the idea of the Penguin, I think that Catwoman and the Riddler would work fine in Nolan's Gotham. You just have to slightly alter them in order to fit the world. Make Catwoman be an industrial spy stealing secrets from Wayne Industries instead of her being a jewel thief. If you take the Riddler and turn him into a psychopath who communicates through riddles, puzzles and ciphers (similar to the Zodiac killer) he would fit in to the universe just fine.

Bane would require too much exposition and, outside of die hard fans, the average film-goer probably wouldn't know who he was.
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9:34AM on 08/25/2009

This is by far....

....the fucking dumbest "C'mon, Hollywood" ever.

Seriously. How is this even relevant?
....the fucking dumbest "C'mon, Hollywood" ever.

Seriously. How is this even relevant?
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9:44AM on 08/25/2009

Not JUST Bane....

Knightfall more than accepted, you need 2 heavies to play off of B-Man. For example: a more SINISTER Penguin or Mr. Freeze. They revamped The Joker quite well. Why not these guys?
Knightfall more than accepted, you need 2 heavies to play off of B-Man. For example: a more SINISTER Penguin or Mr. Freeze. They revamped The Joker quite well. Why not these guys?
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9:52AM on 08/25/2009

Leave Batman Alone!!!

Are we so spoiled that when one Great Batman movie comes along we just have to have another one? Dark Knight was close to perfect and Heath's death already troubled it's earlier storyline for the third film. If you nerds are going to keep whining about making another Batman movie than you will have it, but Nolan won't be the one directing it. Instead the studios will force to hire hacks like Zack Snyder or Brett Ratner. If that's what you guys want
Are we so spoiled that when one Great Batman movie comes along we just have to have another one? Dark Knight was close to perfect and Heath's death already troubled it's earlier storyline for the third film. If you nerds are going to keep whining about making another Batman movie than you will have it, but Nolan won't be the one directing it. Instead the studios will force to hire hacks like Zack Snyder or Brett Ratner. If that's what you guys want
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9:58AM on 08/25/2009
I disagree heavily. I think Bane would be one of the dumbest villains to include in Nolan's Batman films. Especially after a follow up to The Dark Knight it would be foolish to introduce someone like Bane. The Riddler and Black Mask are the most logical choices to me for the next movie.
I disagree heavily. I think Bane would be one of the dumbest villains to include in Nolan's Batman films. Especially after a follow up to The Dark Knight it would be foolish to introduce someone like Bane. The Riddler and Black Mask are the most logical choices to me for the next movie.
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10:11AM on 08/25/2009

Enough already.

Let's get this out the way, TDK is not perfect, it had it's moments, mainly from Heath Ledger's tour de force performance, and that's it. One of the sloppiest scripts put to screen for such a big film, being that, a comic book film. TDK is overrated, u know it, & I know it. Nolan still has'nt made the perfect Batman film, but, I believe he's on his way. Hopefully, I'm right, Nolan definitely has the potential.
Let's get this out the way, TDK is not perfect, it had it's moments, mainly from Heath Ledger's tour de force performance, and that's it. One of the sloppiest scripts put to screen for such a big film, being that, a comic book film. TDK is overrated, u know it, & I know it. Nolan still has'nt made the perfect Batman film, but, I believe he's on his way. Hopefully, I'm right, Nolan definitely has the potential.
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12:06PM on 08/25/2009
Acutally, I don't know it.
Acutally, I don't know it.
10:58AM on 08/25/2009
Ya a lot of people have gotten that TDK is not perfect out of the way, your just beating a dead horse with this. And the script wasn't sloppy, and no one was calling it perfect on this post.
Ya a lot of people have gotten that TDK is not perfect out of the way, your just beating a dead horse with this. And the script wasn't sloppy, and no one was calling it perfect on this post.
10:34AM on 08/25/2009
lets agree to disagree.

I am not a batman fan yet i have seen dark knight more than any other movie. I'm not saying it's perfect... I'm saying it's above par AWESOME.
lets agree to disagree.

I am not a batman fan yet i have seen dark knight more than any other movie. I'm not saying it's perfect... I'm saying it's above par AWESOME.
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10:16AM on 08/25/2009

Hmmmmm

While I do love knightfall as the kick ass comic book it is, I'm not sure this would suit the Nolan mold. However some1 should definately adapt batman: venom. This is whereb ats himself gets addicted to the venom drug after not being strong enough to save a little girl, this could fit into Nolans movies fairly easy after the ending of tdk plus bale would b perfect as a tormented Bruce Wayne/batman
While I do love knightfall as the kick ass comic book it is, I'm not sure this would suit the Nolan mold. However some1 should definately adapt batman: venom. This is whereb ats himself gets addicted to the venom drug after not being strong enough to save a little girl, this could fit into Nolans movies fairly easy after the ending of tdk plus bale would b perfect as a tormented Bruce Wayne/batman
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10:22AM on 08/25/2009

VERY BAD IDEA!

this is the WORST C'MON HOLLYWOOD RANT EVER PRODUCED!!!!!!

really??? BANE??!!!
this is the WORST C'MON HOLLYWOOD RANT EVER PRODUCED!!!!!!

really??? BANE??!!!
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10:52AM on 08/25/2009
I stopped reading about halfway, when I realized this definately COULDNT work in Nolan's version of Batman. That would a terrible third film.
I stopped reading about halfway, when I realized this definately COULDNT work in Nolan's version of Batman. That would a terrible third film.
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10:54AM on 08/25/2009
Originally not cool with the idea of Bane(from the horrible vomit inducing Batman and Robin), after reading that article, I must say Im intrigued.

Bane actually could be a stand up villain on his own, and under the helm of Nolan, I really don't have any doubts what he would do to him, or really, any villain for that matter.

As much I as would love to see a real life Clayface, he just couldn't fit into Nolans world, or so I think.
Originally not cool with the idea of Bane(from the horrible vomit inducing Batman and Robin), after reading that article, I must say Im intrigued.

Bane actually could be a stand up villain on his own, and under the helm of Nolan, I really don't have any doubts what he would do to him, or really, any villain for that matter.

As much I as would love to see a real life Clayface, he just couldn't fit into Nolans world, or so I think.
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11:19AM on 08/25/2009

Bane is a one hit wonder...

There are so many more deserving villains in Batman's history that should get the nod of a big screen adaption for the first or second time before Bane, who really only was used to break Batman's back and then....wait thats it. Hes a one hit wonder, fuck him.
There are so many more deserving villains in Batman's history that should get the nod of a big screen adaption for the first or second time before Bane, who really only was used to break Batman's back and then....wait thats it. Hes a one hit wonder, fuck him.
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11:20AM on 08/25/2009

Bane would be great!

Nolan-style only! This could easily get f*cked up as we saw previously. Great article J.A.!
Nolan-style only! This could easily get f*cked up as we saw previously. Great article J.A.!
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11:34AM on 08/25/2009

Hell No

You can't have Bane as a lead villan in the Batman movies yet! In current movie franchise, Bruce is still just getting started. You can't have Bane show up and break his back already. Azrael is a more horrible idea than introducing Robin already.
The only thing that makes sense to me for the third movie is Catwoman and/or Penguin. Catwoman like the exact opposite of Batman (a criminal, did not grow up rich, and a woman) which is what has made the sexual tension always so much fun to watch.
You can't have Bane as a lead villan in the Batman movies yet! In current movie franchise, Bruce is still just getting started. You can't have Bane show up and break his back already. Azrael is a more horrible idea than introducing Robin already.
The only thing that makes sense to me for the third movie is Catwoman and/or Penguin. Catwoman like the exact opposite of Batman (a criminal, did not grow up rich, and a woman) which is what has made the sexual tension always so much fun to watch. Penguin works because after Two-Face & Joker, he's the next best thing to a crime boss (and if Nolan uses him, I guarantee Christopher Walken will not be talking Penguin into running for Mayor of Gotham again!).
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12:00PM on 08/25/2009

No

How can anyone think Bane could work in a Batman movie centered in real life? I know I am in a minority, but I believe Catwoman needs to be in the next one. Not necessarily as a main adversary, but as a character at least. She is one of the most grounded in reality characters in the comics and is just a big a part of the mythology as the Joker. Yeah she's been in a lot of adaptations, but so what? She's a classic character who would fit into the story.
How can anyone think Bane could work in a Batman movie centered in real life? I know I am in a minority, but I believe Catwoman needs to be in the next one. Not necessarily as a main adversary, but as a character at least. She is one of the most grounded in reality characters in the comics and is just a big a part of the mythology as the Joker. Yeah she's been in a lot of adaptations, but so what? She's a classic character who would fit into the story.
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12:10PM on 08/25/2009

I like the idea of using Bane but I think this would work better...

They shouldn't try to do a direct version of a comic plot line, instead they should continue picking and choosing from many. I think they should use Bane, as a starting villain who creates chaos in Gotham like in Knightfall. It would be extremely easy to make Bane a realistic villain. He doesn't have to be a huge hulk sized dude. He could just be a large guy on some new drug/steroid that makes him strong and feel no pain or something. I doubt the whole Azrael plot line would fit into the film;
They shouldn't try to do a direct version of a comic plot line, instead they should continue picking and choosing from many. I think they should use Bane, as a starting villain who creates chaos in Gotham like in Knightfall. It would be extremely easy to make Bane a realistic villain. He doesn't have to be a huge hulk sized dude. He could just be a large guy on some new drug/steroid that makes him strong and feel no pain or something. I doubt the whole Azrael plot line would fit into the film; they barely fit Two-Face in TDK. Instead of Azrael we find out Dent was put in the hospital/ Arkham under another name to protect his image and after Batman's back is broken Harveys psyche cracks again and he becomes a vigilante (similar to "The Judge" character in Batman: The Animated Series), eventually going too far and having to be stopped by Batman once hes recovered. They already referenced the possibility of Harvey becoming a vigilante in TDK.
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12:13PM on 08/25/2009

Knightfall = cool

I'm not sure about all the details, cause Bane can't break a bunch of villains out of Arkham but I agree that Knightfall is a great way to go. Here's hoping.
I'm not sure about all the details, cause Bane can't break a bunch of villains out of Arkham but I agree that Knightfall is a great way to go. Here's hoping.
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12:13PM on 08/25/2009
Am I the only one who wants them to use a villian we haven't already seen? I know the riddler, catwomen, and bane are fan favorites and a big part of the batman storyline, but I think there's plenty of potential in some of the other villians we haven't seen in the movies yet.
Am I the only one who wants them to use a villian we haven't already seen? I know the riddler, catwomen, and bane are fan favorites and a big part of the batman storyline, but I think there's plenty of potential in some of the other villians we haven't seen in the movies yet.
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12:19PM on 08/25/2009
so Robin, the character the majority of the movie going public -- who made TDK such a success -- know to be Batman's protege won't work, but a character only the comic readers know about, and who would come out of nowhere not only to the audience but to the series of films entirely (why would Bruce decide to take on a protege to begin with, doesn't seem to fit into his character in these movies), would work? that's even more asinine than the rationale that Bane would be a believable villain in
so Robin, the character the majority of the movie going public -- who made TDK such a success -- know to be Batman's protege won't work, but a character only the comic readers know about, and who would come out of nowhere not only to the audience but to the series of films entirely (why would Bruce decide to take on a protege to begin with, doesn't seem to fit into his character in these movies), would work? that's even more asinine than the rationale that Bane would be a believable villain in this "real world" type vision of Gotham.

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12:21PM on 08/25/2009

TDK sucks...

TDK was awful, and Batman Begins almost as bad. Seeing as this is the most successful Batman incarnation, rebooting is highly unlikely anytime soon so I'm pretty much done hoping for a good Batman film. That said, Bane's origin story was always pretty cool, one of the better arcs in LOTDK, but beyond that origin I don't see this guy being much of a problem in the "real world", much like Whiplash in the new Iron Man movie seems like a joke considering his lack of armor.
TDK was awful, and Batman Begins almost as bad. Seeing as this is the most successful Batman incarnation, rebooting is highly unlikely anytime soon so I'm pretty much done hoping for a good Batman film. That said, Bane's origin story was always pretty cool, one of the better arcs in LOTDK, but beyond that origin I don't see this guy being much of a problem in the "real world", much like Whiplash in the new Iron Man movie seems like a joke considering his lack of armor.
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12:26PM on 08/25/2009

Joker Recast

I probably have the same oppinion as most people, which is there is no way in hell anyone could replace Heath Ledger. However, I have to say I would be very contempt with Joseph Gordon Levitt filling the shoes of the Joker. Think about it, despite his poorly written role in G.I. Joe, this guy is a fantastic actor. Heath Ledger had his pretty bad roles in the past too (Brothers Grimm, Knight's Tale), but that never took away from his talent. We also know that Nolan clearly has a certain
I probably have the same oppinion as most people, which is there is no way in hell anyone could replace Heath Ledger. However, I have to say I would be very contempt with Joseph Gordon Levitt filling the shoes of the Joker. Think about it, despite his poorly written role in G.I. Joe, this guy is a fantastic actor. Heath Ledger had his pretty bad roles in the past too (Brothers Grimm, Knight's Tale), but that never took away from his talent. We also know that Nolan clearly has a certain fondness for JGL (he is co-starring in Inception). And come on, who didnt think Levitt looked just a little bit too much like Heath Ledger in 500 Days of Summer?

All im saying, is that if there is anyone who can take Ledger's place, it is Levitt.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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2:26PM on 08/25/2009
I kinda thought the same thing, though I doubt any actor would be willing to step into that role....
I kinda thought the same thing, though I doubt any actor would be willing to step into that role....
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12:41PM on 08/25/2009
I like Bane I like Knightfall(one of the best storylines right along side No Man's Land) I would hate to see either made into a movie...
I much rather have them introduce HUSH..or the serial killer Holiday(from the Long Halloween)since they are doing the reality based Batman even a character like Victor Zsasz would work.
I like Bane I like Knightfall(one of the best storylines right along side No Man's Land) I would hate to see either made into a movie...
I much rather have them introduce HUSH..or the serial killer Holiday(from the Long Halloween)since they are doing the reality based Batman even a character like Victor Zsasz would work.
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12:46PM on 08/25/2009

Robin can work

Read Dark Victory if you don't believe me. Bruce was in a dark place and couldn't trust anyone. Beat himself up for allowing Harvey to become Two-face. Robin changed that. It doesn't even have to be a major role.

Bane will work. Black Mask will even work, if Nolan wants to keep the mob theme going. Azrael won't.
He's too much of a character to share screen time without watering down his character.
Read Dark Victory if you don't believe me. Bruce was in a dark place and couldn't trust anyone. Beat himself up for allowing Harvey to become Two-face. Robin changed that. It doesn't even have to be a major role.

Bane will work. Black Mask will even work, if Nolan wants to keep the mob theme going. Azrael won't.
He's too much of a character to share screen time without watering down his character.
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12:47PM on 08/25/2009
Bane isn't my favorite Batman villain, but he's a hell of a lot better than seeing Penguin, Catwoman or Riddler come back. I'd like to see Two face come back though, if he's not dead. They didn't really make it clear in DK.
Bane isn't my favorite Batman villain, but he's a hell of a lot better than seeing Penguin, Catwoman or Riddler come back. I'd like to see Two face come back though, if he's not dead. They didn't really make it clear in DK.
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12:54PM on 08/25/2009

Nolan will make it work

Both nolan's other batmans were good and i'm sure this one will be too. Bane could work, but no Robin. I'd like to see Harley Qinn or at the very least someone we haven't seen yet.
Both nolan's other batmans were good and i'm sure this one will be too. Bane could work, but no Robin. I'd like to see Harley Qinn or at the very least someone we haven't seen yet.
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1:00PM on 08/25/2009

Robin is a daunting challenge

And that is precisely why Nolan should consider taking that leap. Maybe not have Dick Grayson become Robin, but see Bruce Wayne come to adopt him by the end of the movie. All sorts of ways to make it work thematically and convincingly.
And that is precisely why Nolan should consider taking that leap. Maybe not have Dick Grayson become Robin, but see Bruce Wayne come to adopt him by the end of the movie. All sorts of ways to make it work thematically and convincingly.
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1:18PM on 08/25/2009
It's all a challenge, especially when it comes to keeping the films great. Robin, Bane, Knightfall, which ever they decide to use could work as long as it's in Nolan's hands. The guy hasn't let us down so far, so I'm pretty sure the next Batman will be no different.

Bane's storyline does sound pretty cool.
It's all a challenge, especially when it comes to keeping the films great. Robin, Bane, Knightfall, which ever they decide to use could work as long as it's in Nolan's hands. The guy hasn't let us down so far, so I'm pretty sure the next Batman will be no different.

Bane's storyline does sound pretty cool.
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1:41PM on 08/25/2009
You say they should use more "human" villains right after you say characters like Catwoman and Riddler wouldn't fit...and then you say Bane would be the perfect choice for a third film...after you mention Nolan should stay away from "monstrous" characters.

I think you just want to see a Knightfall movie with Bale as Batman and Nolan directing and are less concerned with seeing a Nolan-inspired Batman film. I personally think characters like Catwoman and The Riddler (and Black Mask) can be
You say they should use more "human" villains right after you say characters like Catwoman and Riddler wouldn't fit...and then you say Bane would be the perfect choice for a third film...after you mention Nolan should stay away from "monstrous" characters.

I think you just want to see a Knightfall movie with Bale as Batman and Nolan directing and are less concerned with seeing a Nolan-inspired Batman film. I personally think characters like Catwoman and The Riddler (and Black Mask) can be legitimized the same way Ra's, Scarecrow, Two-Face and Joker were. I think using Bane is as bad an idea as using Killer Croc.

Besides, any way you slice it, the third film is going to focus on Batman being a fugitive. Bane's story just wouldn't fit at all in that storyline.
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1:43PM on 08/25/2009
Bane and Azrael may look good on paper but in a real none fantasy Chris Nolan Batman setting. These characters would look atrocious. Black Mask and Dead shot have a greater chance because they are human like Joker, Ra's Al Ghul, and Scarecrow.
Bane and Azrael may look good on paper but in a real none fantasy Chris Nolan Batman setting. These characters would look atrocious. Black Mask and Dead shot have a greater chance because they are human like Joker, Ra's Al Ghul, and Scarecrow.
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2:16PM on 08/25/2009
Frankly, I'd rather see Edward Nygma done correctly (as a millionaire games genius ) that mirrors what Bruce Wayne could have become if he had gone the bad guy route instead of the hero. Bane is great on paper, in execution, not so much. Azrael is actually kind of lame and always has been.
Frankly, I'd rather see Edward Nygma done correctly (as a millionaire games genius ) that mirrors what Bruce Wayne could have become if he had gone the bad guy route instead of the hero. Bane is great on paper, in execution, not so much. Azrael is actually kind of lame and always has been.
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2:21PM on 08/25/2009
Bane wouldn't translate too well to screen. He's not that complex of a character either. He's just a brute with some clever ideas.
Bane wouldn't translate too well to screen. He's not that complex of a character either. He's just a brute with some clever ideas.
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2:33PM on 08/25/2009

Do your homework

Bale is signed on for 4 movies, not 3. Also Bane would be terrible, he is kinda a monster with a chemical addiction, he is exactly the type of character that isnt based in reality that the author here talks about. How do you have a chemical that if not taken every 12 hours you die and the fact it makes him look like a monster. I say take the story line but giev it to the riddler, who will be a psycho path who taunts police with riddles and doesnt where question marks all over his clothes. Also
Bale is signed on for 4 movies, not 3. Also Bane would be terrible, he is kinda a monster with a chemical addiction, he is exactly the type of character that isnt based in reality that the author here talks about. How do you have a chemical that if not taken every 12 hours you die and the fact it makes him look like a monster. I say take the story line but giev it to the riddler, who will be a psycho path who taunts police with riddles and doesnt where question marks all over his clothes. Also the penguin would be great bc he is a mobster who always wears a Tuxedo, hence "the penguin" name. Also I think a insane Deadshot who has issues from the war (which would be current with Iraq) would also be cool.
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2:55PM on 08/25/2009
THIS SOUNDS TERRIBLE!!!

Nolan's Batman fits right in to our reality. So, remember that when you think of everything he's done with Batman and what he can do. Bane...seriously! His character will be way to far fetched for what Nolan has established as the reality/world of Batman. Thank God he didn't explain Joker the way we all love him in the comics. It makes for a great read but unless your doing something in the vein of Tim Burton...don't even try because you will fail. Nolan himself
THIS SOUNDS TERRIBLE!!!

Nolan's Batman fits right in to our reality. So, remember that when you think of everything he's done with Batman and what he can do. Bane...seriously! His character will be way to far fetched for what Nolan has established as the reality/world of Batman. Thank God he didn't explain Joker the way we all love him in the comics. It makes for a great read but unless your doing something in the vein of Tim Burton...don't even try because you will fail. Nolan himself already said in an interview Robin will never appear. Why? Because his view of who Batman is and what he is to become isn't getting anywhere close to the arch of the story when Robin comes in. His batman is still becoming Batman and realizing how bad things can really get for him...can he still endure and face it?
With the cops on The Dark Knights ass I think throwing Riddler in as a deranged serial killer would be good. Zodiac/Seven. Batman is trying to help commissioner Gordon solve the case without getting caught up with the cops. Everyone in Gotham is in fear of turning a street corner. The Riddler discovers who Batman really is and sends riddles to the police to help them figure it out.
Even the Penguin as a strip club owning drug running piece of shit would even be good.
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3:38PM on 08/25/2009
I think you are on the right track . . . a Riddler with the mind of John Doe from "Seven." That would be F'n sweet!!!!
I think you are on the right track . . . a Riddler with the mind of John Doe from "Seven." That would be F'n sweet!!!!
3:06PM on 08/25/2009
best idea yet amongst the ideas i have heard ( including ones below i.e. millionaire riddle) especially like the duel villian aspect of bane and azreal.
best idea yet amongst the ideas i have heard ( including ones below i.e. millionaire riddle) especially like the duel villian aspect of bane and azreal.
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12:58AM on 08/26/2009
Go back to Bruce Timm's Batman the Animated Series where he introduced the Riddler, and then rethink the millionaire Riddler.
Go back to Bruce Timm's Batman the Animated Series where he introduced the Riddler, and then rethink the millionaire Riddler.
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3:06PM on 08/25/2009
I'm all for having Bane in for #3. Both scarecrow and joker played mind games in the previous 2, it would be nice to see a villian get his hands dirty and give batman a run for his money.
I'm all for having Bane in for #3. Both scarecrow and joker played mind games in the previous 2, it would be nice to see a villian get his hands dirty and give batman a run for his money.
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3:31PM on 08/25/2009
Where I think Nolan has succeeded most is in offering a real-world take on traditionally over the top characters. His Scarecrow and Joker were essentially 'normalised' takes on those figures. With that in mind, any character is fair game for reimagining in this way. Personally I'd be interested to see a real world take on Killer Croc. Handled right he could be a really good 'supporting villain'. As for the main villain, Riddler's a good option. Would give Bats a chance to show off his detective
Where I think Nolan has succeeded most is in offering a real-world take on traditionally over the top characters. His Scarecrow and Joker were essentially 'normalised' takes on those figures. With that in mind, any character is fair game for reimagining in this way. Personally I'd be interested to see a real world take on Killer Croc. Handled right he could be a really good 'supporting villain'. As for the main villain, Riddler's a good option. Would give Bats a chance to show off his detective skills a bit more than in the other films.
Nolan's got a tough task maintaining this real-world vibe without making all the classic villains seem a bit samey though.
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3:33PM on 08/25/2009

Recasting...

...the Joker for whatever size role Nolan originally had in mind for the third film is possible and I totally agree with Abctalker and fury 159: Joseph Gordon Levitt would be a great Joker(or could follow in Ledger's footsteps nicely)! Scroll on down to JigSaw 123's post and check out his/her's avatar pic; joseph gordon lovitt on the phone with a serious look on his face. Take a second and try to visualize and think about his acting ability. Now I know Maggie G. portrayed a much better
...the Joker for whatever size role Nolan originally had in mind for the third film is possible and I totally agree with Abctalker and fury 159: Joseph Gordon Levitt would be a great Joker(or could follow in Ledger's footsteps nicely)! Scroll on down to JigSaw 123's post and check out his/her's avatar pic; joseph gordon lovitt on the phone with a serious look on his face. Take a second and try to visualize and think about his acting ability. Now I know Maggie G. portrayed a much better Rachel than Katie Holmes did and that doesn't mean Joseph would top Ledger's performance by any means, but recasting could work & if that is the path Nolan charts, Mr. Joseph Gordon Levitt would be the go to guy.

Also in total agreement with I love lamp's post: "WORST C'MON HOLLYWOOD EVER PRODUCED!" To quote Keaton's Batman from years past: "Things change." For better of worse I guess.
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3:35PM on 08/25/2009

disagree

I don't see Bane as being the best way to go here. Also, DK is NOT overrated...it is a masterpiece and a nearly perfect actualization of two GREAT villains.
I don't see Bane as being the best way to go here. Also, DK is NOT overrated...it is a masterpiece and a nearly perfect actualization of two GREAT villains.
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3:42PM on 08/25/2009

Yes!

This is exactly what Nolan needs to do next. I still think you could have a "dirty" version of the Riddler(who can be double crossed by BANE - later in the film) But what you've wrote in your article makes perfect sense to me.
This is exactly what Nolan needs to do next. I still think you could have a "dirty" version of the Riddler(who can be double crossed by BANE - later in the film) But what you've wrote in your article makes perfect sense to me.
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3:46PM on 08/25/2009

Yes!

This is exactly what Nolan needs to do next. I still think you could have a "dirty" version of the Riddler(who can be double crossed by BANE - later in the film) But what you've wrote in your article makes perfect sense to me.
This is exactly what Nolan needs to do next. I still think you could have a "dirty" version of the Riddler(who can be double crossed by BANE - later in the film) But what you've wrote in your article makes perfect sense to me.
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3:46PM on 08/25/2009
awful awful awful idea, knightfall was one of the lamest things to ever happen in the batman comics. bane could make an interesting villain but maybe if it followed the plot of "Venom" instead of knightfall. regardless bane is very low on my list of villains id like to see.
awful awful awful idea, knightfall was one of the lamest things to ever happen in the batman comics. bane could make an interesting villain but maybe if it followed the plot of "Venom" instead of knightfall. regardless bane is very low on my list of villains id like to see.
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4:04PM on 08/25/2009
Am I the only one sick of hearing people say Joseph Gordon-Levitt should play The Joker in the third installment ? Sure he looks like Ledger, but everyone comes up like it was a fresh idea, even worse, they pretend its THEIR idea. Someone brought it up one day, it was a good idea, but dont have to bring it up everytime we talk Dark Knight sequel, we all use the same website, we all read the same articles and comments. We get it, JGL would be good. Now lets talk about something else...

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Am I the only one sick of hearing people say Joseph Gordon-Levitt should play The Joker in the third installment ? Sure he looks like Ledger, but everyone comes up like it was a fresh idea, even worse, they pretend its THEIR idea. Someone brought it up one day, it was a good idea, but dont have to bring it up everytime we talk Dark Knight sequel, we all use the same website, we all read the same articles and comments. We get it, JGL would be good. Now lets talk about something else...

P.S. I know it has almost nothing to do with the article, but many people mentioned it in their comment.
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4:07PM on 08/25/2009
JGL as The Joker? I'm down with that, cause unlike Ledger, JGL is an all around solid actor. Heath had 1 or 2 okay roles... the Joker NOT being one of them.

I say Batman should take a hiatus for about 3 years tho.
JGL as The Joker? I'm down with that, cause unlike Ledger, JGL is an all around solid actor. Heath had 1 or 2 okay roles... the Joker NOT being one of them.

I say Batman should take a hiatus for about 3 years tho.
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4:56PM on 08/25/2009

"am i the only one sick of hearing people say Joseph Gordon-Levitt should play The Joker in the third installment?"

uhh, yeah dude. the article & writer is suggesting bane and the knightfall story be the arc for the third batman film. if that is the best suggestion for 3 that is coming forward, then suggesting JGL(not like i came up with it)as a good idea is a worthy 2 cents that I will surely utilize my right to self-opinion on. Nolan, Bane. Nolan, Azrael. Hmmm. Moving on. Any actor/idea that is "great" and actually plausible to the already established Nolan-verse is welcome. How about an arc
uhh, yeah dude. the article & writer is suggesting bane and the knightfall story be the arc for the third batman film. if that is the best suggestion for 3 that is coming forward, then suggesting JGL(not like i came up with it)as a good idea is a worthy 2 cents that I will surely utilize my right to self-opinion on. Nolan, Bane. Nolan, Azrael. Hmmm. Moving on. Any actor/idea that is "great" and actually plausible to the already established Nolan-verse is welcome. How about an arc similar to one of the greats: Arkham Asylum. Maybe have Dent, still alive exacting his vengeance as a rogue or in coherts with joker yet again on the outside:
Meroni
"A fall from this drop wouldn't kill me."
Batman
"I'm counting on it."

So Dent is alive somewhere. His death a lie for the sake of Gotham's future. Maybe have a heavy that is a new district attorney, every bit as good as Dawes was, but more investigative named: Selina Kyle. Don't put her in leather, but something a little more believable: a la Nolan. Bane for batman 3. Ahh, still gives me a chuckle. What about Bat-mite?
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5:28PM on 08/25/2009
Yeah, I agree JGL is a good idea, but my point is that its been discussed before, several times, its pointless to just repeat what has been said numerous times, and nobody is bringing anything new to the table.
Yeah, I agree JGL is a good idea, but my point is that its been discussed before, several times, its pointless to just repeat what has been said numerous times, and nobody is bringing anything new to the table.
6:00PM on 08/25/2009
nicholas@ngel, I can't possibly see them bringing back Dent. That would the stupidest move. Basically it would be a tragic hero with a perfect story arc become a gimmicky serial killer. No thanks
nicholas@ngel, I can't possibly see them bringing back Dent. That would the stupidest move. Basically it would be a tragic hero with a perfect story arc become a gimmicky serial killer. No thanks
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6:28PM on 08/25/2009

When did he say that?

Can someone link where Nolan said he planned Joker to appear later on? Because the ONLY thing I ever said was an interview with Goyer (well before TDK was in production) who said they had an idea for a trilogy where the sequel was Bats Dent and Gordan teaming up to take out Joker and the third would be Dent getting scarred at the Joker's trial becoming the villain. Now they did both of those in TDK, which says there was nothing planned for number 3.

Also I'm sick of hearing people saying
Can someone link where Nolan said he planned Joker to appear later on? Because the ONLY thing I ever said was an interview with Goyer (well before TDK was in production) who said they had an idea for a trilogy where the sequel was Bats Dent and Gordan teaming up to take out Joker and the third would be Dent getting scarred at the Joker's trial becoming the villain. Now they did both of those in TDK, which says there was nothing planned for number 3.

Also I'm sick of hearing people saying there was a plan because Joker didn't die. Joker not dying is the point of the whole story. If they killed him off it would have rendered the entire movie moot.

Now on to Bane, perfect for the third, Gotham is in chaos all the mob leaders are dead so there is most definitely going to be mob wars to fill that void. In comes Bane, perfect.

But one last point is where you implied that atwoman, Penguin, Riddler or any Batman villain or robin couldn't work. The thing is they can work, with some revamping and reconstruction any character can fit in Nolan's mythos. The only problem is to be realistic none of them could be an escalated threat to the city. Maybe side stories, but not the big bad. Bane can though. It's not the character its the work that you put into that can make it something special. So don't count out characters because of previous incarnations. Think of HOW to make it work than just writing it off
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7:33PM on 08/25/2009

Can some of you people not read!!

I finished reading this article, and then decided to read what some of you posted. And I have to wonder if you get your crack delivered or do you get your mom to dose you up cause you cant peal your eyes away form the screen.

The writer who'se website I follow as well as simply expressed an opinion on what he thought would make a good story line. Now unlike many of those would be writers whos sole accomplishment is blogging, he backed up his statments with facts and various items of
I finished reading this article, and then decided to read what some of you posted. And I have to wonder if you get your crack delivered or do you get your mom to dose you up cause you cant peal your eyes away form the screen.

The writer who'se website I follow as well as simply expressed an opinion on what he thought would make a good story line. Now unlike many of those would be writers whos sole accomplishment is blogging, he backed up his statments with facts and various items of interest. Not only have you taken what he imagined and twisted it like a stolen and revamped leany kravitz song you have embarassed many other readers..which i never thought possible.

We all know Nolan has the ability to take a dying franchise and re-imagine it to be something great. And he did it with such skill that after this trilogy is complete..you will be lucky if they ever let anyone try ot fix it again. That being said he is very carefull on what story lines he choses, and yes, what the writer stated about the real life feeling to this is accurate, and the examples he gave were as well accurate to the realism of the film. and in fact this could very well be a good story line if Nowlan followed his prvious gut feelings on making these films. And the fact that you doubted this baffles me.

Frankly those who trashed the Author for being imaginative..have really got to visit the real world, go to starbucks meet a girl with glasses as thick as yours, and who drools as much as you do and live life outside the avatar rave.....oh and Mr Hamilton..great article..keep the pimp hand strong sir.
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7:51AM on 08/26/2009
I wrote this article with the sole purpouse of seeing whose cage I could rattle. To see if anyone actually pays attention and can be creative. I applaud you Nicholas you did just that. Not only did you see somewhat of a bias feedback, but you snapped some quotes in there and then shot a few quirks back at me. Very good. I liked it. However, that being said, you actually only took shots at me and hardly mentioned anything about the topic itself. Maybe the Bane story line will work, maybe
I wrote this article with the sole purpouse of seeing whose cage I could rattle. To see if anyone actually pays attention and can be creative. I applaud you Nicholas you did just that. Not only did you see somewhat of a bias feedback, but you snapped some quotes in there and then shot a few quirks back at me. Very good. I liked it. However, that being said, you actually only took shots at me and hardly mentioned anything about the topic itself. Maybe the Bane story line will work, maybe it wont, I dont know enough about the character to make an accurate assessement. but from what I do know, maybe tweak the character and as someone elses article mentioned and forgive me for not knowing who off the top of my head, but they said use him as a side villain, not a bad idea.

I would say that by your response you were offended. Not surprising thats how it was intended, you dont get heated responses from weak comments. But what was truly amazing, is what you accused me of being, you simply just did it yourself. That could have been intentional as well, but I find one man calling another a hypocrite while doing exactly what he accused him of....well hypocritical dont you think?

And by the way, I never said I love knightfall, all i said was that the author backed his opinion with information. I may not agree with all of the authors articles but I enjoy how they are written.

Now I have made a statment of opinoin not backed by any facts. This is where you could give me constructive critism..ie..well what is about his artles and how they are written, but Im sure you will take the same approach as you did last time and learn nothing of what I said....but then again maybe not.
8:14PM on 08/25/2009
"...and i have to wonder if you get your mom to peal your eyes away from the screen," or "Frankly those who trashed the author for being imaginatve...have really got to visit the real world, go to starbucks meet a girl with glasses as thick as yours, and who drools as much as you do and live life outside the avatar rave," or perhaps "..you will be lucky if they ever let anyone try to fix it again," & "the writer whose website i follow."

i read the initial article(all the writer's job
"...and i have to wonder if you get your mom to peal your eyes away from the screen," or "Frankly those who trashed the author for being imaginatve...have really got to visit the real world, go to starbucks meet a girl with glasses as thick as yours, and who drools as much as you do and live life outside the avatar rave," or perhaps "..you will be lucky if they ever let anyone try to fix it again," & "the writer whose website i follow."

i read the initial article(all the writer's job requirements, i mean backup of statements, etc.)and you are a hypocrite. go battle evil on aisle 9 and quit trying to take away the voice of those who live in the talk-backs or just dip in while bored at work. get a job and stop hanging at starbucks 'cause it sounds like you have a vendetta towards a distinct physical type that have rejected you before in some form or perhaps you are simply a nazi with a love of all things ja hamilton and knightfall. maybe you have some thin skin & are really hurt by individuals that voice their opinion or want to just simply talk about what they cannot talk about in "the real world," because those of us who do live in the real world don't all have gamer friends who love to talk about the third batman film. people don't like his article or concepts that he has backed up. so what? big f-in' deal. if it was a big problem for opinions to be expressed then there would not be a talkback. stop wishing you could lick the writer's back and get some thicker skin. now don't "take what i have imagined and twist it again" in reply, but if you do, not surprised. hungry hypo. sorry got to go; laser eye surgery in the morning.

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8:22PM on 08/25/2009

Azrael yes, Bane maybe

Bane is not a layered enough character to be the lead villain. Sure he has a very complex back story, but Nolan hasn't so far shown us his villains origin stories and I doubt he will. But he is a very dangerous villain and would be interesting to see him appear as a threat that unites Batman with Azrael, but the ultimate battle should be between these 2 characters. Azrael IMO is a much more interesting character that can be introduced as a villain, work as a sidekick to defeat Bane and then go
Bane is not a layered enough character to be the lead villain. Sure he has a very complex back story, but Nolan hasn't so far shown us his villains origin stories and I doubt he will. But he is a very dangerous villain and would be interesting to see him appear as a threat that unites Batman with Azrael, but the ultimate battle should be between these 2 characters. Azrael IMO is a much more interesting character that can be introduced as a villain, work as a sidekick to defeat Bane and then go back to being a villain.
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8:35PM on 08/25/2009
cerealkiller182. all were possible suggestions and was never stated as to what capacity. perhaps batman ties the loose end up in the beginning like scarecrow in the last film or is eluded to at the end of the third, much like the joker card in begins. yeah cerealkiller182, "a gimmicky serial killer" and detectives don't really work together. that's sarcasm. dent would have one thing to do "if" he came back: take out all remaining mobsters vigilante-style with their fate being decided by
cerealkiller182. all were possible suggestions and was never stated as to what capacity. perhaps batman ties the loose end up in the beginning like scarecrow in the last film or is eluded to at the end of the third, much like the joker card in begins. yeah cerealkiller182, "a gimmicky serial killer" and detectives don't really work together. that's sarcasm. dent would have one thing to do "if" he came back: take out all remaining mobsters vigilante-style with their fate being decided by his coin. not the best idea, but rather see a portion of this in the new film more than a bane and azrael crammed story arc., 'cause that would be the stupidest!"
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8:49PM on 08/25/2009
Bane alright, but not my first choice. Knighfall was horrible and Nolan should stay as far away from it as possible.
Bane alright, but not my first choice. Knighfall was horrible and Nolan should stay as far away from it as possible.
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8:51PM on 08/25/2009
First of all, Skellington no you are not the only person who is sick of hearing that, there are loads of JGL fanboys on this site though (don't get me wrong I think he's great, but this whole "he should totally replace Heath man" attitude is a bit odd).

As for the subject of the article, I think the Bane character would work as a movie and I love the Knightfall saga but I think part of the reason why that storyline is so effective is because fans have had about 30 years to get to know the
First of all, Skellington no you are not the only person who is sick of hearing that, there are loads of JGL fanboys on this site though (don't get me wrong I think he's great, but this whole "he should totally replace Heath man" attitude is a bit odd).

As for the subject of the article, I think the Bane character would work as a movie and I love the Knightfall saga but I think part of the reason why that storyline is so effective is because fans have had about 30 years to get to know the character and how strong he is...whereas we only have 5 hours with the movies.

To explain better I think Bane would be a good character for a movie but actually using the Knightfall story wouldn't work as it would be like making Punisher: Born (if anyone has read that awesome graphic novel) into a movie, its only really powerful for the hardcore fans who have known the character for a while in my opinion.
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9:01PM on 08/25/2009
First of all, Skellington no you are not the only person who is sick of hearing that, there are loads of JGL fanboys on this site though (don't get me wrong I think he's great, but this whole "he should totally replace Heath man" attitude is a bit odd).

As for the subject of the article, I think the Bane character would work as a movie and I love the Knightfall saga but I think part of the reason why that storyline is so effective is because fans have had about 30 years to get to know the
First of all, Skellington no you are not the only person who is sick of hearing that, there are loads of JGL fanboys on this site though (don't get me wrong I think he's great, but this whole "he should totally replace Heath man" attitude is a bit odd).

As for the subject of the article, I think the Bane character would work as a movie and I love the Knightfall saga but I think part of the reason why that storyline is so effective is because fans have had about 30 years to get to know the character and how strong he is...whereas we only have 5 hours with the movies.

To explain better I think Bane would be a good character for a movie but actually using the Knightfall story wouldn't work as it would be like making Punisher: Born (if anyone has read that awesome graphic novel) into a movie, its only really powerful for the hardcore fans who have known the character for a while in my opinion.
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9:06PM on 08/25/2009
Oi. No, thank you. For me, 'Knightfall' was an almost perfect example of all the annoying gimmicks that finally drove away so many readers and caused the comics industry to all but implode.
Oi. No, thank you. For me, 'Knightfall' was an almost perfect example of all the annoying gimmicks that finally drove away so many readers and caused the comics industry to all but implode.
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10:29PM on 08/25/2009

WOW

Knightfall is overrated and that's coming from a huge Bat-fan who actually owns the collected volumes. It's mediocre artwork tends to just come off as a tired rip-off of cheesy 1970's strips. The storyline is pretty good though, I'll give you that. Bane is one mofo in that storyline. I don't think he's the route to go with a third film. It's all about Black Mask...
Knightfall is overrated and that's coming from a huge Bat-fan who actually owns the collected volumes. It's mediocre artwork tends to just come off as a tired rip-off of cheesy 1970's strips. The storyline is pretty good though, I'll give you that. Bane is one mofo in that storyline. I don't think he's the route to go with a third film. It's all about Black Mask...
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12:28AM on 08/26/2009

My $0.02

Wouldn't it be great if they did an original screenplay with an accessibly grounded villain. Say Edward Nygma/Ridder minus Jim Carrey madness and plus Jeremy Irons madness (a la Die Hard 3)...Just might work if you have a fresh story with accessible characters.

Nightfall is a story arc that I began following only to be bored by the uninspired artwork (just my opinion here)
Wouldn't it be great if they did an original screenplay with an accessibly grounded villain. Say Edward Nygma/Ridder minus Jim Carrey madness and plus Jeremy Irons madness (a la Die Hard 3)...Just might work if you have a fresh story with accessible characters.

Nightfall is a story arc that I began following only to be bored by the uninspired artwork (just my opinion here)
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1:12AM on 08/26/2009
IMO Bane would be an excellent villian, to voice what Random490 said, now that the mob is scattered.. Banes entrance is already set up. For me, (and keep in mind I didn't follow the batman comic books, though I wish I did) Bane was to Batman, what Doomsday was to Superman (maybe not as epic?). I just assumed that in Batman's "30 year run" in comics, he had never come that close to his end, thus making an excellent third installment for Nolan's triogly. I want to know more about Azreal now tho,
IMO Bane would be an excellent villian, to voice what Random490 said, now that the mob is scattered.. Banes entrance is already set up. For me, (and keep in mind I didn't follow the batman comic books, though I wish I did) Bane was to Batman, what Doomsday was to Superman (maybe not as epic?). I just assumed that in Batman's "30 year run" in comics, he had never come that close to his end, thus making an excellent third installment for Nolan's triogly. I want to know more about Azreal now tho, I'll be picking up the story of Knightfall as I've never seen him before. I'm with the author on this one.. Bane's and Azreal look to be perfect... of course after seeing Arnie as Freeze, I'm not sure I could ever be that dissapointed anyways!
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6:58PM on 08/26/2009
Hey lalex81, thanks very much for that info! very much appreciated. I'll be out looking for "Sword of Azreal" this week thanks to your advice!
Hey lalex81, thanks very much for that info! very much appreciated. I'll be out looking for "Sword of Azreal" this week thanks to your advice!
2:46AM on 08/26/2009
To check Azrael story reading "Knightfall" won't help much, check his origin story in "Sword of Azrael" which is a great story with a great artwork.
To check Azrael story reading "Knightfall" won't help much, check his origin story in "Sword of Azrael" which is a great story with a great artwork.
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5:55AM on 08/26/2009

Dunno

Like most Batman fans I dig bane but I feel he's suited more to the comic/cartoon world & not to Nolan's films. My thought would be HUSH! a story based around him would be awesome.
see: [link]comics)
Like most Batman fans I dig bane but I feel he's suited more to the comic/cartoon world & not to Nolan's films. My thought would be HUSH! a story based around him would be awesome.
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3:37PM on 08/26/2009
HUSH is very very awesome! As comic...and it stops at that. It would be way to complicated to do. You would have to bring back Ra's al Ghul, bring in three Robins and that includes Nightwing, catwomen, and the Riddler. Not only bringing all those characters in but also trying to explain what a Lazerous Pit is. Like I've said before, "Nolan's world of Batman fits into our reality"....Lazerous Pits...no. All that in order to actually do well. Don't mean to rant. Other than that Hush is
HUSH is very very awesome! As comic...and it stops at that. It would be way to complicated to do. You would have to bring back Ra's al Ghul, bring in three Robins and that includes Nightwing, catwomen, and the Riddler. Not only bringing all those characters in but also trying to explain what a Lazerous Pit is. Like I've said before, "Nolan's world of Batman fits into our reality"....Lazerous Pits...no. All that in order to actually do well. Don't mean to rant. Other than that Hush is fucking awesome.
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5:56AM on 08/26/2009

HUSH

the link doesn't work. search hush on wiki
the link doesn't work. search hush on wiki
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3:31PM on 08/26/2009
Another joker would be disrespectful and just be milking the franchise. Handing us our little glasses of milk to sooth our throats from all the raving of JOKER JOKER JOKER!!! JGL!!! and whoever everyone thinks should replace an un-replaceable roll. It'll make you happy but would it really be right?
Another joker would be disrespectful and just be milking the franchise. Handing us our little glasses of milk to sooth our throats from all the raving of JOKER JOKER JOKER!!! JGL!!! and whoever everyone thinks should replace an un-replaceable roll. It'll make you happy but would it really be right?
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3:56PM on 08/26/2009
Oh...and im just as guilty because my glass of milk would be Ben Foster as the Riddler. The riddler being a cross between the Zodiac Killer and John Doe from Seven.
Oh...and im just as guilty because my glass of milk would be Ben Foster as the Riddler. The riddler being a cross between the Zodiac Killer and John Doe from Seven.
3:32PM on 08/26/2009

"make the extra stuff worthwhile" was a decent c'mon hollywood.

@tfeathum. the word "perhaps" was used in regards to your love of all things hitler and knightfall, but then again you call the kettle black apparently. believe the proof is in the source material if anyone is interested(or is a bat-fan & haven't read just yet)and then they can make their decision for themselves. no matter how Nolan would attempt to bring bane or azrael into a batman film that flows with the previous two, it just would not work. let's put batman in a hospital and introduce
@tfeathum. the word "perhaps" was used in regards to your love of all things hitler and knightfall, but then again you call the kettle black apparently. believe the proof is in the source material if anyone is interested(or is a bat-fan & haven't read just yet)and then they can make their decision for themselves. no matter how Nolan would attempt to bring bane or azrael into a batman film that flows with the previous two, it just would not work. let's put batman in a hospital and introduce an azrael character to take over to a degree? maybe we could get the nasty fellow from the prison at the beginning of begins to play bane? just wouldn't work in Nolan's version despite how good he is at rooting any of the batman mythos in reality.

once again you have failed to understand the reasoning for talk-backs, which you have plenty of time to write for at your day job or "perhaps" you do understand perfectly. seems you may even be upset to a degree(about the article or the market). we all know that pseudonyms exist and that most articles are posted to illicit a response; whichever way you decide to spin your web. all things aside you've "rattled no cages" & only gave a chance for visitors of this site to read & be educated..., on how things work(if they didn't already know)and your articles only help. wow, you also just admitted to your(potentially "the") approach. incredible! most writers, with a degree of something to say or no, don't feel the need to defend their work. once again, it is a talk-back and people aren't gonna' fully agree with you or see your vision to the fullest. happens all the time here at this site. something is not well with 'ya, j.a., tfeathum, whatever the hell you're calling yourself these days.
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3:49PM on 08/26/2009
JOBLO!!! What about thumbs up and thumbs down ratings for the replies to talk-backs? I read a good bit of the talk-backs and the responses they get and it's only right they get a little thumbs up too!
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JOBLO!!! What about thumbs up and thumbs down ratings for the replies to talk-backs? I read a good bit of the talk-backs and the responses they get and it's only right they get a little thumbs up too!
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3:56PM on 08/26/2009
JOBLO!!! What about thumbs up and thumbs down ratings for the replies to talk-backs? I read a good bit of the talk-backs and the responses they get and it's only right they get a little thumbs up too!
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Love you
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Too much.
JOBLO!!! What about thumbs up and thumbs down ratings for the replies to talk-backs? I read a good bit of the talk-backs and the responses they get and it's only right they get a little thumbs up too!
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7:46PM on 08/26/2009
Nice article, good points. The previous Batman franchise was horrible in its cast of villans and its campiness. While I think the Riddler could be a brilliant enemy if done right I do think your line of thinking of bringing Bane into the stories a good idea.

The series as you said has been kept much grittier than those in the past and as such has been much more widely accepted, as it so deserves.

While I feel Bale is indeed the best Bat yet, his BAT voice is HORRIBLE. Other than that
Nice article, good points. The previous Batman franchise was horrible in its cast of villans and its campiness. While I think the Riddler could be a brilliant enemy if done right I do think your line of thinking of bringing Bane into the stories a good idea.

The series as you said has been kept much grittier than those in the past and as such has been much more widely accepted, as it so deserves.

While I feel Bale is indeed the best Bat yet, his BAT voice is HORRIBLE. Other than that kudos to him for his work.
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11:48PM on 08/31/2009
Bane is not more realistic than Penguin (a mob leader), Riddler (a zodiac style killer) of Catwoman (a jewel thief). IMO, the next villains should be both penguin and riddler. That way you can have very atmospheric crime solving scenes and action.
Bane is not more realistic than Penguin (a mob leader), Riddler (a zodiac style killer) of Catwoman (a jewel thief). IMO, the next villains should be both penguin and riddler. That way you can have very atmospheric crime solving scenes and action.
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12:30AM on 09/24/2009

Jesus, how'd I miss this?!

I've actually been saying the EXACT same thing to everyone -- I've written a whole treatment for Bats 3 with this very premise in mind! Introduces Jean-Paul Valley, Bane and Catwoman!

Whether or not my particular concept would work, if Nolan took this story arc, it would be a guaranteed amazing film -- after all, what else can Batman learn except defeat at this point?
I've actually been saying the EXACT same thing to everyone -- I've written a whole treatment for Bats 3 with this very premise in mind! Introduces Jean-Paul Valley, Bane and Catwoman!

Whether or not my particular concept would work, if Nolan took this story arc, it would be a guaranteed amazing film -- after all, what else can Batman learn except defeat at this point?
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8:16PM on 09/29/2009

Knightfall

I've been saying this for a long time! A real world Bane added to the Nolan/Batman universe would be perfect!
I've been saying this for a long time! A real world Bane added to the Nolan/Batman universe would be perfect!
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6:35PM on 04/04/2011

Well...looks like C'mon Hollywood #218 came true!

Hell yeah! In the time that has passed since this article was written... FINALLY on January 19, 2011 Warner Bros. & Chris Nolan announced that Tom Hardy WOULD be Bane (along w/ Hathaway's Catwoman) The Dark Knight Rises! pretty damn cool. I wonder how many other C'mon Hollywood's have come true since they were first written?
Hell yeah! In the time that has passed since this article was written... FINALLY on January 19, 2011 Warner Bros. & Chris Nolan announced that Tom Hardy WOULD be Bane (along w/ Hathaway's Catwoman) The Dark Knight Rises! pretty damn cool. I wonder how many other C'mon Hollywood's have come true since they were first written?
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