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C'mon Hollywood: Is fan anger getting out of control?

Aug. 27, 2013by: Paul Shirey

Last week we got some news that kind of broke the Internet a little: Ben Affleck was cast as Batman in the follow-up to Zack Snyder’s MAN OF STEEL. Naturally, fans erupted with responses, spilling onto message boards, comment sections, and social media like wildfire. In the course of an hour something became abundantly clear while perusing the thoughts, emotions, and temper tantrums of fans all over the world; some folks needed a time out.

Now, it should be noted that this doesn’t speak for everyone. In fact, most folks are able to express their discontent in a manner that is even keeled and without edging into a volcano of hate. Some commentators, however, have taken the news of a person portraying a fictional character from a comic book with such fervent emotion that it’s been equated to a death in the family or a national tragedy, even sparking online petitions, including one on the White House’s official petition page (which has since been removed) and change.org.

Personally speaking, I don’t have a problem with Affleck as Batman. In fact, I think it’s a great move by Warner Bros. in finding an anchor to carry their DC Cinematic Universe, much like Marvel did with Robert Downey Jr. I’m all for debate on that issue, but at what point does debate cross the line into absurdity? At what point do we examine the vitriol and wonder if maybe it’s time to step away from the computer? Of late, it seems that need has grown exponentially.

Fan obsession, especially on sites like this one, is expected. Shit, it keeps the life blood pumping. Like most of our fans, I’m an obsessed one. I soak in everything that comes my way that has to do with the characters, genres, actors, actresses, franchises, etc. that make up the Hollywood machine. It’s why we’re all here, right? However, we’ve all encountered those individuals who sour the whole thing and turn it into something ugly and nasty by taking their rants into crazy town, turning a seemingly normal fan debate into something else entirely. I think it’s great that something like the Affleck casting gets people fired up and talking (in fact, we kind of live for it), but when it degrades into completely unfounded insults, hateful creeds, and even death threats, the discussion is no longer a discussion, but a wall to throw mud on.

Speaking of death threats, I turn your attention to a recent op-ed written by Anna Gunn who portrays Skyler White on AMC’s Breaking Bad. Gunn has felt the sting of online bashing to a severe degree, portraying a character that conflicts with the protagonist of the show, Walter White (portrayed by Bryan Cranston). For her services in portraying a character, Gunn has garnered numerous Facebook pages dedicated to hating her character and even one person saying, “Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?” I mean, really? Come on, man, this is film and television we’re talking about here.

The truth is, we live in a world where the online environment has created a new outlet for our internal frustrations, be it over an actual life event or the hiring of an actor in an iconic role. And, in that environment, some have basically let their “drunk voice” take over. It’s cool if you’re not hip to Affleck as Batman, but to call it controversial is a stretch and to create a petition against it is just silly (When they cast Carrot Top as Batman then we can talk). In addition, creating hate pages and online petitions, while spewing venom in forums that call for the death of someone playing a character is complete madness.

The solution comes down to one simple thing: Etiquette. We learn (hopefully) at a young age how to speak to people face to face, how to not chew with your mouth full, how to hold open doors, and how to temper our emotions, rather than acting like a child having an outburst over a piece of candy. The same can be applied when we fire up our computers and seemingly open the floodgates to our emotions online. There are plenty of issues in this world to get heated over, but when it comes to entertainment, no matter how iconic or controversial a role may be, it’s important to realize that it’s fiction, not life or death.

That comes when football season starts...

Extra Tidbit: What do you think? Is fan anger out of control or is it justified? Let's hear your well-formed, rational, and calm perspectives...
Source: JoBlo.com

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10:04PM on 08/28/2013
I think social media has been good and bad at the same time...its great that fans of shows, movies, etc can vent out their anger or happiness towards entertainment...but at the same time, I think nasty threats, pictures, etc are without a doubt crossing the line. I know we all kind of hope that our venting of anger will someone do something...we also need to realize its not the end of the world either. While fan anger can be alright, we sometimes need to take a small step back and relax.
I think social media has been good and bad at the same time...its great that fans of shows, movies, etc can vent out their anger or happiness towards entertainment...but at the same time, I think nasty threats, pictures, etc are without a doubt crossing the line. I know we all kind of hope that our venting of anger will someone do something...we also need to realize its not the end of the world either. While fan anger can be alright, we sometimes need to take a small step back and relax.
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3:10PM on 08/28/2013
I am not sure where the debate ends, and the vitriol begins, I think it's different for any given topic. While I have been guilty of this in the past (hopefully, not so much in the last few years), it's becoming uglier and crazier.

I don't watch a lot of TV and have not seen any episodes of either "Sopranos" nor "Breaking Bad", and did not know that the fans hated the more moral wife. That's odd, and a bit sad in my opinion.

As far as Affleck is concerned, I am intrigued, cautiously
I am not sure where the debate ends, and the vitriol begins, I think it's different for any given topic. While I have been guilty of this in the past (hopefully, not so much in the last few years), it's becoming uglier and crazier.

I don't watch a lot of TV and have not seen any episodes of either "Sopranos" nor "Breaking Bad", and did not know that the fans hated the more moral wife. That's odd, and a bit sad in my opinion.

As far as Affleck is concerned, I am intrigued, cautiously optimistic. He's proven his worth as of late, and it's interesting to see him choose this as his big mainstream film after his reemergence (his directed films have been big, but were smaller productions, and arranged as awards season stuff).
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5:51AM on 08/28/2013

Let me get this straight

Watchmen was a really good movie that people thought was unfilmable. It was directed by Snyder.
Dark City, Blade, Blade 2 were all really good movies written by Goyer. He also has writing credits on all three of Nolan's Batman movies.
Ben Affleck produced, directed and starred in last year's Oscar winner for best picture.
Why are we complaining about these people? Is it because Man of Steel wasn't that good? Well, Superman Returns wasn't that good either and it was directed by Bryan
Watchmen was a really good movie that people thought was unfilmable. It was directed by Snyder.
Dark City, Blade, Blade 2 were all really good movies written by Goyer. He also has writing credits on all three of Nolan's Batman movies.
Ben Affleck produced, directed and starred in last year's Oscar winner for best picture.
Why are we complaining about these people? Is it because Man of Steel wasn't that good? Well, Superman Returns wasn't that good either and it was directed by Bryan Singer who also directed X-Men and X-Men 2.
Let's be honest: it is hard to make a good Superman movie. Superman 3 and 4 were awful. You think Superman Returns and Man of Steel are bad? That just means you haven't seen a lot of movies. You're as bad as the people who say that Star Trek Into Darkness was the worst Star Trek ever. It wasn't. That would be Star Trek 5 or possibly Nemesis.
Nolan hired the best director, writer and stars he could find and now he's done and moving onto his own projects and he clearly isn't coming back. You need to trust Snyder, Goyer and Affleck to do the jobs they've been hired to do. They have certainly proven themselves capable.
And Cavill? He just has to look good in the suit. That's not a problem. :)
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3:01AM on 08/28/2013
I think after Argo and The Town ( which is one of my favorite movies) Affleck as earned a chance to play batman. I know that he dosnt seem like the best choice but neither did Hathaway as cat woman or ledger as the joker, I think Affleck will surprise everyone, just as he's done before.
I think after Argo and The Town ( which is one of my favorite movies) Affleck as earned a chance to play batman. I know that he dosnt seem like the best choice but neither did Hathaway as cat woman or ledger as the joker, I think Affleck will surprise everyone, just as he's done before.
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1:43AM on 08/28/2013
i just like to hate on ben Affleck because he makes one halfway decent movie and everybody jumps on his nuts and treats him like a god.
i just like to hate on ben Affleck because he makes one halfway decent movie and everybody jumps on his nuts and treats him like a god.
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8:54PM on 08/27/2013

IDK, IDC

to be honest I thought he sucked as daredevil that movie was terrible. Really bad. And well that was a long time ago he's grown as an actor/director so maybe there is hope. I love when people bitch and moan and have fits. It's so funny.
to be honest I thought he sucked as daredevil that movie was terrible. Really bad. And well that was a long time ago he's grown as an actor/director so maybe there is hope. I love when people bitch and moan and have fits. It's so funny.
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7:34PM on 08/27/2013

No

its all in good fun right?
its all in good fun right?
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6:11PM on 08/27/2013
Without trying to sound too pompous because I like alot of these movies, but we do realize that superhero movies are targeted mainly towards children, right?
Without trying to sound too pompous because I like alot of these movies, but we do realize that superhero movies are targeted mainly towards children, right?
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6:46PM on 08/27/2013
Some of the toys and comics are yes I agree, but I really don't think the kids are driving to the theaters and popping down $12 to see these movies. If they go see it it's because the parents take them because the parents want to see the movie. The toys they market to kids are just that "toys" a lot of them are based on cartoons that are ment for the kids. I get what you were trying to say but you are wrong, I think you were trying to sound smart but you kind of failed dude sorry.
Some of the toys and comics are yes I agree, but I really don't think the kids are driving to the theaters and popping down $12 to see these movies. If they go see it it's because the parents take them because the parents want to see the movie. The toys they market to kids are just that "toys" a lot of them are based on cartoons that are ment for the kids. I get what you were trying to say but you are wrong, I think you were trying to sound smart but you kind of failed dude sorry.
6:03PM on 08/27/2013
That meme up there is just too damn funny jajajaja
That meme up there is just too damn funny jajajaja
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5:57PM on 08/27/2013

I'll let Affleck sum it up.

This is nothing new, infact Affleck himself comment on it in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back from about thirteen or so years ago.

Welcome to the internet.
This is nothing new, infact Affleck himself comment on it in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back from about thirteen or so years ago.

Welcome to the internet.
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5:26PM on 08/27/2013
I think using Daredevil as major point is making the argument that Daredevil was not only good, but good AND drowned by a bad actor when in fact it was closer to the opposite. It's an interesting phenomena, but there are plenty of examples of good actors taking on roles in films so poorly assembled that they tarnish their potential. Am I saying Ben Affleck is a phenomenal actor? Nope. But George Clooney is far closer to that epithet and we all saw how that trip down the bat-pole turned out. All
I think using Daredevil as major point is making the argument that Daredevil was not only good, but good AND drowned by a bad actor when in fact it was closer to the opposite. It's an interesting phenomena, but there are plenty of examples of good actors taking on roles in films so poorly assembled that they tarnish their potential. Am I saying Ben Affleck is a phenomenal actor? Nope. But George Clooney is far closer to that epithet and we all saw how that trip down the bat-pole turned out. All it takes is one good opportunity to show the world that you at least have the chops to succeed as an actor. Luckily, Affleck has shown us this more than once. If anything, the pressure is really on Snyder and DC who need to tailor this role correctly and not just assume that they can write around him instead of through him. I do think his chin will look stupid though..
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4:33PM on 08/27/2013

Right on Bruddah! Right on.

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4:36PM on 08/27/2013
Spread the love. Fight the madness.
Spread the love. Fight the madness.
4:30PM on 08/27/2013
What's starting to bother me is people using other actors like Ledger or Keaton as proof that he might be good. Why aren't you looking at all the horrible casting choices as well, because those outweigh two or three surprisingly not bad performances. If anything use Daredevil as your main source of judgment, isn't that the fairest thing to do?

Here comes the thumbs down part. The day Heath Ledger died I knew it was going to make his performance in Dark Knight put on an untouchable pedestal,
What's starting to bother me is people using other actors like Ledger or Keaton as proof that he might be good. Why aren't you looking at all the horrible casting choices as well, because those outweigh two or three surprisingly not bad performances. If anything use Daredevil as your main source of judgment, isn't that the fairest thing to do?

Here comes the thumbs down part. The day Heath Ledger died I knew it was going to make his performance in Dark Knight put on an untouchable pedestal, the amount of praise Nolan was receiving at the time was invincible, there was never a chance from that moment on that it wasn't going to become one of the most iconic roles of our lifetimes. But with that said he did bare minimum in my opinion to pass for being good, I would never consider his performance great, but I feel like I am morally saying something wrong by saying this.
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3:02PM on 08/28/2013
I disagree that using 'Daredevil' as the main source is fair, because Affleck left Hollywood for a few years and came back quite impressively. He's only chosen roles he believes in nowadays, not just for big paydays. It's clear that he's grown up and is now trying his best, It's far more fair to judge him about his work now, and if you look across his whole filmography, he has far more decent/ okay to good films, then terrible films. It just so happens that his terrible films are unbearably god
I disagree that using 'Daredevil' as the main source is fair, because Affleck left Hollywood for a few years and came back quite impressively. He's only chosen roles he believes in nowadays, not just for big paydays. It's clear that he's grown up and is now trying his best, It's far more fair to judge him about his work now, and if you look across his whole filmography, he has far more decent/ okay to good films, then terrible films. It just so happens that his terrible films are unbearably god awful.

Is it possible he'll be bad? Yes. Is it possible he'll be excellent and the role will be poorly written? Yes. Is it possible that they could knock it out of the park? Yes.
7:18PM on 08/28/2013
Fair enough, the reason I say judge Daredevil is because that's the most similar role. I do disagree about your view on Affleck. I think he started directing films because he wasnt be offered roles anymore, after his string of flops, studio's were not offering him leading roles. I remember when he was a supporting role in Extract (pretty good film btw) and thinking 'cool, I like Mike Judge, but this isn't maybe the best look for him) Then he directed Gone Baby Gone, which got him back on the
Fair enough, the reason I say judge Daredevil is because that's the most similar role. I do disagree about your view on Affleck. I think he started directing films because he wasnt be offered roles anymore, after his string of flops, studio's were not offering him leading roles. I remember when he was a supporting role in Extract (pretty good film btw) and thinking 'cool, I like Mike Judge, but this isn't maybe the best look for him) Then he directed Gone Baby Gone, which got him back on the radar, barely. Then Town which everyone seemed to re-accept him for. I think Town would have been a better movie if he didn't cast himself in the lead, same with Argo, his acting is my biggest complaint about both those movies. Glad to see he's bounced back since I have been a fan since GWH and Chasing Amy. But I don't think his last 2 films he made really deserves to put him on this pedestal he's been on since Argo won best picture. He's not Clint Eastwood. Last time he impressed me with his acting was Hollywoodland. Don't think Affleck grew up, think Affleck got lucky.... and I think he's going to make the same mistake he did twice... start making dumb choices after winning an Oscar. (Pearl Harbor, Paycheck, Man about Town, Surviving Christmas, He's Just Not That Into You.) Hollywoodland seems to be where he started going back uphill... I think Batman will be where it starts to go back down.
4:26PM on 08/27/2013

Good call

You can not believe how many times I wish I never read news on this site. Not due to the news it's self but the hate that seems to go into the strike back sections. Do half of these people enjoy anything in life?
You can not believe how many times I wish I never read news on this site. Not due to the news it's self but the hate that seems to go into the strike back sections. Do half of these people enjoy anything in life?
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4:13PM on 08/27/2013

My thoughts on Batfleck...

As I've told my friends, I'm not a fan of Ben Affleck as an actor. I think he comes off as arrogant and cocky, and I just don't think he's that great of an actor. The only movie I've ever really enjoyed him in was Argo, but, only having one movie that I think is good, doesn't make someone a good actor. I know there are plenty of people that will argue that he has plenty of good roles, like The Town, but this is my opinion, not theirs. In saying that, in my honest opinion, I think casting Ben
As I've told my friends, I'm not a fan of Ben Affleck as an actor. I think he comes off as arrogant and cocky, and I just don't think he's that great of an actor. The only movie I've ever really enjoyed him in was Argo, but, only having one movie that I think is good, doesn't make someone a good actor. I know there are plenty of people that will argue that he has plenty of good roles, like The Town, but this is my opinion, not theirs. In saying that, in my honest opinion, I think casting Ben Affleck as Batman is a bad decision for Warner Bros./ Zack Snyder, but, I'm not going to cast any real judgement until I see how it comes out. People said Heath Ledger wasn't the right choice for the Joker and casting Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner/ Hulk was a bad idea, yet both of them proved everybody wrong on a monumental level. So, as much as I'm against him filling the role, I really hope he proves me wrong, because I really want this movie to be good.
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4:02PM on 08/27/2013
Goyer. Snyder. Affleck.

When do they announce the name of the Fourth Horseman?
Goyer. Snyder. Affleck.

When do they announce the name of the Fourth Horseman?
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4:06PM on 08/27/2013
Kate Hudson.
Kate Hudson.
3:15PM on 08/27/2013
I can't understand any of the hate that's been going on lately, it's definitely become out of control especially in regards to the Ben Affleck casting. You would think after years of being proven wrong by performances by Michael Keaton and Heath Ledger that folks would have learned their lesson on pre-judging a cast announcement when it comes to the Batman franchise. On the Breaking Bad side of things, anyone who still hates Skyler this late into the show and after everything Walt has done has
I can't understand any of the hate that's been going on lately, it's definitely become out of control especially in regards to the Ben Affleck casting. You would think after years of being proven wrong by performances by Michael Keaton and Heath Ledger that folks would have learned their lesson on pre-judging a cast announcement when it comes to the Batman franchise. On the Breaking Bad side of things, anyone who still hates Skyler this late into the show and after everything Walt has done has either not been paying attention or is a psychopath.
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2:51PM on 08/27/2013

I think fan reaction is getting out of control.

I'm getting kind of tired of "Internet fanboy reaction." When casting news comes out its nothing more than judging a book by its cover. I remember people flipping their lids when Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker. That didn't end up so bad. It's completely different if the movie comes out and the actor sucked. Judge all you want then, but not before a single frame of film has been shot.
I'm getting kind of tired of "Internet fanboy reaction." When casting news comes out its nothing more than judging a book by its cover. I remember people flipping their lids when Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker. That didn't end up so bad. It's completely different if the movie comes out and the actor sucked. Judge all you want then, but not before a single frame of film has been shot.
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2:49PM on 08/27/2013
Not sure what this has to do with Hollywood. Should be called "C'mon fanboys"...
And I don't think it's the anger that is getting worst, it is just that there are so many more mediums now to express ones opinions. Social media, memes, vines, etc. It's the world we live in, don't blame people for living it.
Not sure what this has to do with Hollywood. Should be called "C'mon fanboys"...
And I don't think it's the anger that is getting worst, it is just that there are so many more mediums now to express ones opinions. Social media, memes, vines, etc. It's the world we live in, don't blame people for living it.
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2:48PM on 08/27/2013
When my best friend hopped on the Anti-Affleck train, I face palmed, then tore into him and called his opinion to "Not see it, he ruined the Batman franchise, blah blah blah" what it is. Retarded. Yeah, it was heated for a bit, especially pointing out his past opinions of other casting, but overall it came back to that "Retarded" part. He was just parroting other dumb opinions, and thinking Hollywood almost needs to check with fans before casting someone. And personally, I believe this kind of
When my best friend hopped on the Anti-Affleck train, I face palmed, then tore into him and called his opinion to "Not see it, he ruined the Batman franchise, blah blah blah" what it is. Retarded. Yeah, it was heated for a bit, especially pointing out his past opinions of other casting, but overall it came back to that "Retarded" part. He was just parroting other dumb opinions, and thinking Hollywood almost needs to check with fans before casting someone. And personally, I believe this kind of behavior is exasperated by the internet.
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2:33PM on 08/27/2013
And if you want to talk about "fanboy bitching", you should see how The World's End people reacted when it didn't even crack the top 3 at the box office. Not a comic book movie, but you can find biased ravenous fans anywhere.
And if you want to talk about "fanboy bitching", you should see how The World's End people reacted when it didn't even crack the top 3 at the box office. Not a comic book movie, but you can find biased ravenous fans anywhere.
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2:27PM on 08/27/2013
Affleck is not the problem, everyone knows Snyder is the real problem.
Affleck is not the problem, everyone knows Snyder is the real problem.
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2:51PM on 08/27/2013
Totally agree. Under a more capable director, Man of Steel would have been better and I would be less concerned about Affleck pulling off this role (still wouldn't pick him, but less concerned).
Totally agree. Under a more capable director, Man of Steel would have been better and I would be less concerned about Affleck pulling off this role (still wouldn't pick him, but less concerned).
3:25PM on 08/27/2013
I would even venture to say that Goyer is a much bigger problem then both Affleck and Snyder together.
I would even venture to say that Goyer is a much bigger problem then both Affleck and Snyder together.
4:26PM on 08/27/2013
Yeah Goyer's the big problem here, the clown should be writing trivia napkins at TGI Fridays, not major motion pictures.
Yeah Goyer's the big problem here, the clown should be writing trivia napkins at TGI Fridays, not major motion pictures.
2:14PM on 08/27/2013

D:

You guys do ask for opinions. If you want well thought out constructive criticism, the comments section of any website is not a place to go. I've tried posting constructive criticism before and got called a dick and a loser for an alternate opinion on something. I don't care, but it happens.
You guys do ask for opinions. If you want well thought out constructive criticism, the comments section of any website is not a place to go. I've tried posting constructive criticism before and got called a dick and a loser for an alternate opinion on something. I don't care, but it happens.
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2:25PM on 08/27/2013
Loser dick! Lol kidding yes I agree. There is just no way to win with some people on here
Loser dick! Lol kidding yes I agree. There is just no way to win with some people on here
5:04PM on 08/27/2013
It's all in fun.
It's all in fun.
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1:45PM on 08/27/2013

I kinda get it

I am 50/50 on Affleck as Batman (his voice being my biggest concern, since Gotham will weirdly resemble Boston in his tone), however I understand the anger. I mean you alienated a core group of people who if you would have given the role to John Hamm almost everyone would have loved, they picked a very up and down actor who still has the stigma of Bennifer hanging around his neck along with that accent. So now people who love Batman but don't like him might have to put up with him being Batman
I am 50/50 on Affleck as Batman (his voice being my biggest concern, since Gotham will weirdly resemble Boston in his tone), however I understand the anger. I mean you alienated a core group of people who if you would have given the role to John Hamm almost everyone would have loved, they picked a very up and down actor who still has the stigma of Bennifer hanging around his neck along with that accent. So now people who love Batman but don't like him might have to put up with him being Batman for the next decade in a rumored up to 13 films and kids will grow up thinking he is batman and wont know that a much better actor had played him prior. Come on Affleck prove them all wrong please, I cant watch 13 movies thinking how Batman would say "how you like dem apples"
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2:10PM on 08/27/2013
The voice is your biggest concern!?!?!?!?!? First of all, Affleck does not have a Boston accent when he talks day to day. He has done a very good Boston accent in movies that require it because he is from the area and can recreate it quite easily. I'm the same way. Second, was the voice your biggest concern when Andrew Garfield, Henry Cavill, Christian Bale and Heath Leader were all cast? Because they are all fucking BRITS. Ledger was Australian but you get my drift.
The voice is your biggest concern!?!?!?!?!? First of all, Affleck does not have a Boston accent when he talks day to day. He has done a very good Boston accent in movies that require it because he is from the area and can recreate it quite easily. I'm the same way. Second, was the voice your biggest concern when Andrew Garfield, Henry Cavill, Christian Bale and Heath Leader were all cast? Because they are all fucking BRITS. Ledger was Australian but you get my drift.
2:23PM on 08/27/2013
Bale is not even American but who cloud tell with his cancer voice, I'm sure they can figure a way to mask his Boston tone.
Bale is not even American but who cloud tell with his cancer voice, I'm sure they can figure a way to mask his Boston tone.
2:50PM on 08/27/2013
Bennifer? Seriously, get out of your bubble, you are trapped 10 years ago with stuff no one cares about anymore.
Bennifer? Seriously, get out of your bubble, you are trapped 10 years ago with stuff no one cares about anymore.
1:24PM on 08/27/2013
I think Hollywood should be more concerned with an audiences utter indifference to their products. I had zero interest in S/B before Affleck and I would have zero interest even if Bale came back...and I'm a Batman AND Bale fan.
I think Hollywood should be more concerned with an audiences utter indifference to their products. I had zero interest in S/B before Affleck and I would have zero interest even if Bale came back...and I'm a Batman AND Bale fan.
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1:17PM on 08/27/2013
I think the casting of Carrot Top in ANYTHING is worthy of a petition.
I think the casting of Carrot Top in ANYTHING is worthy of a petition.
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12:49PM on 08/27/2013
I agree with your article. People are getting too insane about casting news. I mean I understand if you LOVE Batman. You have in your mind who would be best to represent him. But people are letting themselves lose their decorum here. I mean who has played Batman? Adam West, Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale. Whether you like Affleck or not, his casting isn't the end of the world. And in the film batman will be sharing 50% of the time with Superman, so it isn't
I agree with your article. People are getting too insane about casting news. I mean I understand if you LOVE Batman. You have in your mind who would be best to represent him. But people are letting themselves lose their decorum here. I mean who has played Batman? Adam West, Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale. Whether you like Affleck or not, his casting isn't the end of the world. And in the film batman will be sharing 50% of the time with Superman, so it isn't like Affleck will be the primary focus, only half o fit. It is really just internet bullying pure and simple. People need to calm down. be open to what happens. There was major outrage when Daniel Craig was cast as Bond. That turned out great.
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12:41PM on 08/27/2013
The Internet fanboys are idiots. Who go online to complain about things because they have nothing better to do. I'm a comic book fanatic and the comic book store I hangout at every one there was very optimistic when they heard about Affleck true fans! Not Internet maniacs
The Internet fanboys are idiots. Who go online to complain about things because they have nothing better to do. I'm a comic book fanatic and the comic book store I hangout at every one there was very optimistic when they heard about Affleck true fans! Not Internet maniacs
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12:30PM on 08/27/2013
Nothing has ever changed as far as fan behavior goes. Several times I have seen grown men get into a fist fight over an argument about sports teams. When a sports fan behaves this way it is considered cool, when a movie fan vents on the internet with words it is considered wrong & out of control? Seems kind of hypocritical.

As far as death threats goes, every celebrity has been putting up with that since forever ago. The internet wasn't around when a crazed fan shot John Lennon.

The
Nothing has ever changed as far as fan behavior goes. Several times I have seen grown men get into a fist fight over an argument about sports teams. When a sports fan behaves this way it is considered cool, when a movie fan vents on the internet with words it is considered wrong & out of control? Seems kind of hypocritical.

As far as death threats goes, every celebrity has been putting up with that since forever ago. The internet wasn't around when a crazed fan shot John Lennon.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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2:58PM on 08/27/2013
You're absolutely right and from what I conclude from reading this is that people in general are just stupid and not open minded. They fist fight over sports and start petitions to keep actors from taking a role in Hollywood.I just don't get why you would red box an article calling for people to stop acting like buffoons.
You're absolutely right and from what I conclude from reading this is that people in general are just stupid and not open minded. They fist fight over sports and start petitions to keep actors from taking a role in Hollywood.I just don't get why you would red box an article calling for people to stop acting like buffoons.
12:29PM on 08/27/2013
I have mixed feelings about the casting of Ben Affleck, but am certainly not vehemently against it the way many are (nor am I particularly supportive). Honestly, I'm just going to wait and see. A lot of people here may be too young to remember the uproar over the casting of Michael Keaton in the 1989 Batman film, when the darkest role he had really done was Beetlejuice (which was great obviously), but primarily he was known for comedies and lighter stuff, so people were all up in arms and yet
I have mixed feelings about the casting of Ben Affleck, but am certainly not vehemently against it the way many are (nor am I particularly supportive). Honestly, I'm just going to wait and see. A lot of people here may be too young to remember the uproar over the casting of Michael Keaton in the 1989 Batman film, when the darkest role he had really done was Beetlejuice (which was great obviously), but primarily he was known for comedies and lighter stuff, so people were all up in arms and yet he proved everybody wrong. More recently, though some may deny it now, I clearly remember when it was announced that Heath Ledger had been cast as The Joker for The Dark Knight, everyone was ranting and raving about how horrible of a choice that was and I must admit, though I wasn't dead set against hit, my thought was "out of all the actors out there, why him???" I couldn't see the potential at all. Look how that turned out. So, while approaching the upcoming Batman franchise with caution is certainly not a bad thing at all, I do think people should be just a bit more open minded. I mean at least give him a chance. If he blows it, he blows it, but as he has proven himself to be a much, much better actor than his younger counterpart, he may very well surprise many people with his performance.
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12:23PM on 08/27/2013

Hollywood doesnt even know what theyre doing anymore

Hollywood keeps screwing up over and over-its like they have lost all decent creativity and only strive to satisfy teenage, or the unintelligent movie gower. These people in charge should be fired and hire fresh, new, and more creative talents in the industry. But sadly it seems impossible for new talent to get into the industry and switch things around unless you are related to an already in motion celebrity. Oh how the world works!! Affleck as Batman wouldnt be my first choice, but over
Hollywood keeps screwing up over and over-its like they have lost all decent creativity and only strive to satisfy teenage, or the unintelligent movie gower. These people in charge should be fired and hire fresh, new, and more creative talents in the industry. But sadly it seems impossible for new talent to get into the industry and switch things around unless you are related to an already in motion celebrity. Oh how the world works!! Affleck as Batman wouldnt be my first choice, but over all the movie itself will suck whether or not hes in it-soooo many bad movies have been made over the years and they keep on coming...
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12:16PM on 08/27/2013

Affleck will do fine

but 2 things need to happen; 1. That lame growly voice that Bale used to the point of comedy must be left in the ditch. 2. he needs a much better costume, sick of Batman looking like a tactical marine from the year 2035, hopefully Superman gets a better costume this time around as well, improvement could definitely be made there. As for the screenwriter, that's a rant for a different thread...
but 2 things need to happen; 1. That lame growly voice that Bale used to the point of comedy must be left in the ditch. 2. he needs a much better costume, sick of Batman looking like a tactical marine from the year 2035, hopefully Superman gets a better costume this time around as well, improvement could definitely be made there. As for the screenwriter, that's a rant for a different thread...
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1:58PM on 08/28/2013
They would do will in Going with an Arkham City (video game) type look for the Batman parts of the movie. I want to see the grey and black outfit for once! That suit is amoured up, but it is subtle.
They would do will in Going with an Arkham City (video game) type look for the Batman parts of the movie. I want to see the grey and black outfit for once! That suit is amoured up, but it is subtle.
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12:11PM on 08/27/2013
If Ben Aflec was cast as batman in Nolan's films, and they announced bale or whoever people would still be bitching! But guess what! 90% of you people claiming to boycott this film, or ppl who say Afleck is gonna suck are full of shit! All you people are still going to line up to see this, and I don't care what u say! It's true! Some of you people are never happy with any movie news! Something is always wrong and never perfect! You think you can do better? Then do something about it! Go make a
If Ben Aflec was cast as batman in Nolan's films, and they announced bale or whoever people would still be bitching! But guess what! 90% of you people claiming to boycott this film, or ppl who say Afleck is gonna suck are full of shit! All you people are still going to line up to see this, and I don't care what u say! It's true! Some of you people are never happy with any movie news! Something is always wrong and never perfect! You think you can do better? Then do something about it! Go make a movie! But I suppose you'll just keep slamming other projects with out seeing any footage, or a screenplay... So many People seem to complain and claim they will not see this yet these films still make hundreds of millions of dollars! Younger generation has no fucking clue what a good film is anymore. Not to mention the Internet has single handedly ruined the movie going experience
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12:39PM on 08/27/2013
Oh wise man-speak for yourself
Yea we'll all go out and make a blockbuster movie with the money we have in our bank accounts pfff
I wont go see this movie not because of Affleck but because of the 'creative' team behind it-just like every other movie lately it will be barely passable and later on, someone will compose a youtube video about everything wrong with Batman vs Superman
If Affleck was in Nolans Batman, they would have still been good movies because the people who made those were a
Oh wise man-speak for yourself
Yea we'll all go out and make a blockbuster movie with the money we have in our bank accounts pfff
I wont go see this movie not because of Affleck but because of the 'creative' team behind it-just like every other movie lately it will be barely passable and later on, someone will compose a youtube video about everything wrong with Batman vs Superman
If Affleck was in Nolans Batman, they would have still been good movies because the people who made those were a bit more creative and kinda knew what they were doing. This movie is just purely to make money as fast as they can.
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11:57AM on 08/27/2013
Great article. But what do you expect from a culture that has Miley Cyrus' VMA performance on the front page of CNN instead of the 50th Anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream speech." Maybe it's just human nature that will be before us and long after us. So will Batman.
Great article. But what do you expect from a culture that has Miley Cyrus' VMA performance on the front page of CNN instead of the 50th Anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream speech." Maybe it's just human nature that will be before us and long after us. So will Batman.
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1:15PM on 08/27/2013
Or the fact that we're on the brink of war with Syria...
Or the fact that we're on the brink of war with Syria...
11:47AM on 08/27/2013
Agree with everything...Aww you grew up with it? So did I... oh you're passionate? Well passion leads to obsession. You're feelings of rage over fiction are downright disturbing. That's all I've got to say about that.
Agree with everything...Aww you grew up with it? So did I... oh you're passionate? Well passion leads to obsession. You're feelings of rage over fiction are downright disturbing. That's all I've got to say about that.
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11:31AM on 08/27/2013
Well this will help some fans cope: Cranston reportedly signs on for Luther: [link]
Well this will help some fans cope: Cranston reportedly signs on for Luther: [link]
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5:01AM on 08/28/2013
Nope. [link]
Nope. [link]
11:29AM on 08/27/2013
There's bound to be fans' backlashes anyway. Strangely, I don't recall any backlash when Henry Cavill was announced as the new Superman. But when it comes to Ben Affleck, to quote one of Michael Bay's movie Bad Boys 2 - "This sh*t just got real". I think they just hate him because he's Ben Affleck regardless of his good or bad movies. It's a bit out of control. I think there's a petition to the White House to BAN Ben Affleck for making Batman for 200 years. To hate him for getting the role is
There's bound to be fans' backlashes anyway. Strangely, I don't recall any backlash when Henry Cavill was announced as the new Superman. But when it comes to Ben Affleck, to quote one of Michael Bay's movie Bad Boys 2 - "This sh*t just got real". I think they just hate him because he's Ben Affleck regardless of his good or bad movies. It's a bit out of control. I think there's a petition to the White House to BAN Ben Affleck for making Batman for 200 years. To hate him for getting the role is one thing but whoever starts that petition is taking this too far.
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11:28AM on 08/27/2013

Great article

We've come to a time when fans will try to seek legal petitions to have casting choices illegal. I thought Star Trek fans were the craziest of the bunch, but no, it's Batman fans. This is so embarrassing.
We've come to a time when fans will try to seek legal petitions to have casting choices illegal. I thought Star Trek fans were the craziest of the bunch, but no, it's Batman fans. This is so embarrassing.
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11:53AM on 08/27/2013
Not all Batman fans. I am a HUGE Batman fan and saw all of this stuff and think it's ridiculous. I even made a video making my case for thinking he may just surprise us all. In it I addressed these things like the petition and all the hate. Now if he screws it up, I'll be one of the first to say it but until then....give the guy a chance geez!


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Not all Batman fans. I am a HUGE Batman fan and saw all of this stuff and think it's ridiculous. I even made a video making my case for thinking he may just surprise us all. In it I addressed these things like the petition and all the hate. Now if he screws it up, I'll be one of the first to say it but until then....give the guy a chance geez!


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2:54PM on 08/27/2013
this kind of "Inconsolable Disappointed Fanboy" behavior should be frowned upon, but we should all be embarrassed, and pass that shame onto the people filling up our news feeds because their favorite didn't get picked.
this kind of "Inconsolable Disappointed Fanboy" behavior should be frowned upon, but we should all be embarrassed, and pass that shame onto the people filling up our news feeds because their favorite didn't get picked.
11:24AM on 08/27/2013
I'm relatively indifferent about the casting. I actually liked this article because it isn't all about Affleck-as-Batman. That one has been run into the ground and I no longer care. Acting grown-up online doesn't necessarily make other people curb their ways, but it is appreciated. I find the fan-furor over TV characters particularly outrageous. If the show hasn't jumped the shark, betrayed the audience's trust, or whatever, then appreciate the fact that the main protagonist has marital issues,
I'm relatively indifferent about the casting. I actually liked this article because it isn't all about Affleck-as-Batman. That one has been run into the ground and I no longer care. Acting grown-up online doesn't necessarily make other people curb their ways, but it is appreciated. I find the fan-furor over TV characters particularly outrageous. If the show hasn't jumped the shark, betrayed the audience's trust, or whatever, then appreciate the fact that the main protagonist has marital issues, or is under investigation, or had a falling out with his partner, or whatever.
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11:55AM on 08/27/2013
Exactly! It's like how I loved True Blood the 1st few seasons, the last two...ugh. But I don't go around screaming about it, I just quit watching the show.
Exactly! It's like how I loved True Blood the 1st few seasons, the last two...ugh. But I don't go around screaming about it, I just quit watching the show.
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11:20AM on 08/27/2013

Crazy people

This is crazy everyone I know hates the idea of him being batman me Ben has had a series of great acting and movies , people are still up set about daredevil which isn't even a good comic book character
This is crazy everyone I know hates the idea of him being batman me Ben has had a series of great acting and movies , people are still up set about daredevil which isn't even a good comic book character
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11:20AM on 08/27/2013
Well, people will always have opinions and the internet provides an ideal forum for such opinions to be voiced. It's a great way for people who enjoy these films from a distance and are not involved in their creation to talk it out, to get passionate and make sense of stuff. Then again, it's an ideal way to hide. Seriously speaking, how many if given a chance to be face to face with Ben Affleck, would say all the things they have right to his face? I don't want to be too sanctimonious about it;
Well, people will always have opinions and the internet provides an ideal forum for such opinions to be voiced. It's a great way for people who enjoy these films from a distance and are not involved in their creation to talk it out, to get passionate and make sense of stuff. Then again, it's an ideal way to hide. Seriously speaking, how many if given a chance to be face to face with Ben Affleck, would say all the things they have right to his face? I don't want to be too sanctimonious about it; I've done my share of mocking Michael Bay or M. Night Shyamalan and calling Max Landis a douche - but I guess there's been a lot of overreacting. Petitioning the White House, really? Sometimes Hollywood gets it wrong, yes, but it seems many choose not to remember when they get it right. It's always wise to withhold judgement. If a set photo comes out and people don't like the way it looks, by all means, say so. If Affleck's Bat-voice in the trailer doesn't really work for you, no problem. But hating on the guy before there's any indication of what direction his performance is going in doesn't seem to be reasonable. It's been said before: Daredevil was 10 years ago. He's had to deal with 10 years of ridicule and has been steadily building back his career. I think Affleck is well aware of the pressure on his shoulders and how important it is for his career, for the studio and for the fans that he does his best as Batman.
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11:18AM on 08/27/2013

"What the fuck is the internet?"

Thought this clip plays perfectly with what were all talking about. Coincidence enough, it has Ben Affleck in it as well.
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Thought this clip plays perfectly with what were all talking about. Coincidence enough, it has Ben Affleck in it as well.
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11:13AM on 08/27/2013
Yep, the internet is full of some hideously rude people, with no appreciation for the efforts of others. That's what comes when you get liberty from personal accountability and the consequences for what you say. I personally wasn't thrilled with Affleck being picked for the role, but for me it's more the direction they seem to want to go in. I don't like the idea of older Batman teaching young Superman how to be a crime fighter. I've always seen these two as different but equals, not the
Yep, the internet is full of some hideously rude people, with no appreciation for the efforts of others. That's what comes when you get liberty from personal accountability and the consequences for what you say. I personally wasn't thrilled with Affleck being picked for the role, but for me it's more the direction they seem to want to go in. I don't like the idea of older Batman teaching young Superman how to be a crime fighter. I've always seen these two as different but equals, not the veteran and the rookie. But we'll see, I could be wrong.
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11:13AM on 08/27/2013

No it's not out of control.

Remember Michael Keaton being cast as Batman? I'd dare say the reception was worse. Keaton was pretty much just known as Mr. Mom at the time.
It's just that the internet gives the more impassioned fans a larger soap box than they've had before. People feel passionate about this shit, be worried when people become so jaded and stop caring.
And as for a petition? How many actually-insane petitions does the White House site get a day?
Remember Michael Keaton being cast as Batman? I'd dare say the reception was worse. Keaton was pretty much just known as Mr. Mom at the time.
It's just that the internet gives the more impassioned fans a larger soap box than they've had before. People feel passionate about this shit, be worried when people become so jaded and stop caring.
And as for a petition? How many actually-insane petitions does the White House site get a day?
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11:12AM on 08/27/2013

It is fun to come here and rant and rave

But some people, the ones who send death threats to actors, take it too far.
But some people, the ones who send death threats to actors, take it too far.
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11:11AM on 08/27/2013
If certain people heard our cries to bring Arrested Development back, I wouldn't doubt studios hear what fans are saying on social media about movies, actors and directors. I mean, Twitter exploded for a few days there about WB signing Affleck, you don't think they know it was over 70% negative

I also remember a fan posting a plot on Twitter to Russel Crowe about what Man of Steel 2 should be about. He not only replied but said something along the lines, "if that’s something you feel
If certain people heard our cries to bring Arrested Development back, I wouldn't doubt studios hear what fans are saying on social media about movies, actors and directors. I mean, Twitter exploded for a few days there about WB signing Affleck, you don't think they know it was over 70% negative

I also remember a fan posting a plot on Twitter to Russel Crowe about what Man of Steel 2 should be about. He not only replied but said something along the lines, "if that’s something you feel strongly about let @Legendary pictures know your thoughts".
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11:11AM on 08/27/2013
Civilians of Syria are bombed with chemical weapons by their own government, The streets of Egypt are flowing with blood, Half of Africa has no food, is deadly ill, are getting murdered by fiends with machetes. Russia is prosecuting gays who speak up.... But what grinds are gears for real...? Which news really made the internet, and social media explode? Ben Affleck is the new Batman.

Thank you for this collumn, it's a welcome statement. My dad always said religion was the number 1 source
Civilians of Syria are bombed with chemical weapons by their own government, The streets of Egypt are flowing with blood, Half of Africa has no food, is deadly ill, are getting murdered by fiends with machetes. Russia is prosecuting gays who speak up.... But what grinds are gears for real...? Which news really made the internet, and social media explode? Ben Affleck is the new Batman.

Thank you for this collumn, it's a welcome statement. My dad always said religion was the number 1 source for war. I'm saying religion is just a small part of it... it's really about respecting other [link] I love fiction as much as everybody else here, but i never lose connection with the real life. A little nuance in our love for film is much needed.
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11:13AM on 08/27/2013
I don't now why it sais "link" but what is supposed to be is: opinion, thoughts and believes.
I don't now why it sais "link" but what is supposed to be is: opinion, thoughts and believes.
5:36AM on 08/28/2013
You misspelled beliefs. Twice.

Just letting you know.
You misspelled beliefs. Twice.

Just letting you know.
11:11AM on 08/27/2013
People have the right to get angry at casting decisions or movie news in general. It's fun to read people's opinions and join the debate. But death threats are crossing the line. And if you resort to this then you seriously need to reevaluate your life.
People have the right to get angry at casting decisions or movie news in general. It's fun to read people's opinions and join the debate. But death threats are crossing the line. And if you resort to this then you seriously need to reevaluate your life.
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11:09AM on 08/27/2013
Hollywood sometimes makes poor decisions, but if you gave the reigns to fanboys we'd be no better off. If only being passionate about something actually made you right, but it doesn't.
Hollywood sometimes makes poor decisions, but if you gave the reigns to fanboys we'd be no better off. If only being passionate about something actually made you right, but it doesn't.
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11:04AM on 08/27/2013
I strongly disagree with the casting of Affleck but that online petition is absolutely ridiculous. Know your place. If you disagree with a decision, voice your opinion and explain why but understand some people are paid to make the tough calls and that they should have the final word.

The big problem with multi-million dollar franchise today is that too many people are involved and this often cause the movies to lack a singular, coherent vision. Having the studios change their minds because
I strongly disagree with the casting of Affleck but that online petition is absolutely ridiculous. Know your place. If you disagree with a decision, voice your opinion and explain why but understand some people are paid to make the tough calls and that they should have the final word.

The big problem with multi-million dollar franchise today is that too many people are involved and this often cause the movies to lack a singular, coherent vision. Having the studios change their minds because of fan reaction will only create disaster.
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11:14AM on 08/27/2013
And my guess would be that for every fanboy that signed the petition, it's followed by 1000 signatures from the sheeple, who just follow popular opinion.
And my guess would be that for every fanboy that signed the petition, it's followed by 1000 signatures from the sheeple, who just follow popular opinion.
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11:04AM on 08/27/2013
I'm neither for or against Affleck playing as Batman. Is he the best choice? Probably not. But I'm still curious how it would turn out. I like Affleck's performance, even in Daredevil. Sure it could use some improvements, but overall it wasn't bad, still entertaining. So, let's see.
I'm neither for or against Affleck playing as Batman. Is he the best choice? Probably not. But I'm still curious how it would turn out. I like Affleck's performance, even in Daredevil. Sure it could use some improvements, but overall it wasn't bad, still entertaining. So, let's see.
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10:57AM on 08/27/2013
First, I’ll start off by agreeing with the post above. I get overcome with emotions on occasion as much as any normal person, but the hate surrounding this casting choice has gotten absurdly hateful. If you actually are willing to voice an opinion in either support of, or even just a cautious wait and see approach, you get called a plant for the studio or something worse. The arguments for and against this decision are many and varied: But he already did Daredevil and he was horrid; he has
First, I’ll start off by agreeing with the post above. I get overcome with emotions on occasion as much as any normal person, but the hate surrounding this casting choice has gotten absurdly hateful. If you actually are willing to voice an opinion in either support of, or even just a cautious wait and see approach, you get called a plant for the studio or something worse. The arguments for and against this decision are many and varied: But he already did Daredevil and he was horrid; he has grown as an actor, just look at The Town and Argo; he can direct the sequel, but he should stay behind all the cameras for good. Have an opinion people, just don’t hide behind the screen and say whatever our nerd-rage first instincts tell us to say. Process it, then fire away.

Secondly, this plant for the studio argument below is just absurd. You realize you aren’t on AICN and you’re on Joblo, right? AICN is where you go to read planted (and alias-cloaked) reviews and can kickstart a vanity project for a true studio prostitute. I’m not saying this site has ever been biased, but the only thing this site is doing currently with the Batman/Affleck news is trying to get traffic on a hot-button story during the end of the summer movie season when there isn’t a lot of factual news coming out at the moment. Making it seem as if they are doing WB’s mop up duty simply because they are going against the majority of schmoes views on the topic is beyond far-fetched.
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10:48AM on 08/27/2013
Just like Silverload said below this is the same thing that happened when someone gave Dark Knight Rises a bad review. Fanboys sometimes do go over board when they have a collective hatred for one thing. Should this be addressed by sites? Maybe. Will it change fanboy recations and their etiquette? Probably not. IGN recently had a revamp on their comment section because people were getting out of control with hate and racist comments. They now monitor the comment section closely.

Ive always
Just like Silverload said below this is the same thing that happened when someone gave Dark Knight Rises a bad review. Fanboys sometimes do go over board when they have a collective hatred for one thing. Should this be addressed by sites? Maybe. Will it change fanboy recations and their etiquette? Probably not. IGN recently had a revamp on their comment section because people were getting out of control with hate and racist comments. They now monitor the comment section closely.

Ive always like the comment section here at Joblo, even though they're are lots of poster here I dont agree with I dont really think people here have really gone that over board in the past. I did enjoy the read Paul but I dont think the etiquette will change because the safey of sitting behind a computer screen is what creates artifical balls of steel. We will always have trolls.

I also predict that people who support Ben as Bat will like this article and those who dont agree with it wont. I just cant wait when this film comes out and everyone eats their words about Ben. :)
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10:46AM on 08/27/2013
These people are passionate about the things they love or grew up with. And since they can't grab the execs by the collar and demand a recast, they vent on sites like this, and I think that's alright. And everyone here is a fanboy. It may not be with comics, it may be with cars, or sports, or music... but we all have our little team we root for. Hollywood has made some REALLY FUCKED UP decisions, and people who keep bringing up Ledger have a small foundation for their argument... Hollywood got
These people are passionate about the things they love or grew up with. And since they can't grab the execs by the collar and demand a recast, they vent on sites like this, and I think that's alright. And everyone here is a fanboy. It may not be with comics, it may be with cars, or sports, or music... but we all have our little team we root for. Hollywood has made some REALLY FUCKED UP decisions, and people who keep bringing up Ledger have a small foundation for their argument... Hollywood got it right a couple of times, yes, but the majority of decisions that have come out of that place lately suck. People are tired of getting burned.
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10:41AM on 08/27/2013
I understand that some just complain and whine too much - because they do. Especially the comic book genre. But then again that's why theyre fans, they should bitch about stuff they dont agree with, but you also have to wait for the results. It's like a sports fan. As a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, I've had reasons for bitch for the past 20 years, but at least I did it until after season/game. I go in to every season hoping for the best. Comic fans just seem to be a different breed with preconceived
I understand that some just complain and whine too much - because they do. Especially the comic book genre. But then again that's why theyre fans, they should bitch about stuff they dont agree with, but you also have to wait for the results. It's like a sports fan. As a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, I've had reasons for bitch for the past 20 years, but at least I did it until after season/game. I go in to every season hoping for the best. Comic fans just seem to be a different breed with preconceived notions they vigorously stand by, sometimes for no good reason.
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10:36AM on 08/27/2013
After box office flops like DREED, KICK ASS 2, and other movies every fan loves... the ugly truth is nobody in Hollywood cares about what fans have to say about this kind of news.
After box office flops like DREED, KICK ASS 2, and other movies every fan loves... the ugly truth is nobody in Hollywood cares about what fans have to say about this kind of news.
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10:49AM on 08/27/2013
You're absolutely wrong in regards to DREDD. While yes, it wasn't a box office success- it's video on demand, dvd and iTunes sales were so substantial, it created a national conversation to produce a sequel. If a sequel gets made, it's because of fans everywhere.
You're absolutely wrong in regards to DREDD. While yes, it wasn't a box office success- it's video on demand, dvd and iTunes sales were so substantial, it created a national conversation to produce a sequel. If a sequel gets made, it's because of fans everywhere.
1:55PM on 08/27/2013
Yes man, the same happened with Kick Ass... and the sequel is a flop. And Hollywood is takin notes! Kick-ass was a modest success in cinemas and huge in dvd sales, and everyone loves it... and the sequel can´t even reach the numbers of the original. As much as I loved DREED probably the same will happen if they make a sequel. Fan love and fan anger are not a sign of good bussiness.
Yes man, the same happened with Kick Ass... and the sequel is a flop. And Hollywood is takin notes! Kick-ass was a modest success in cinemas and huge in dvd sales, and everyone loves it... and the sequel can´t even reach the numbers of the original. As much as I loved DREED probably the same will happen if they make a sequel. Fan love and fan anger are not a sign of good bussiness.
5:42AM on 08/28/2013
KICK ASS 2 flopped because KICK ASS was too violent and KICK ASS promised more of the same. Oddly enough if I watch those two movies it'll be because Nic Cage and Jim Carrey respectively put in excellent performances. It's too bad that those performances weren't in better movies.
KICK ASS 2 flopped because KICK ASS was too violent and KICK ASS promised more of the same. Oddly enough if I watch those two movies it'll be because Nic Cage and Jim Carrey respectively put in excellent performances. It's too bad that those performances weren't in better movies.
10:28AM on 08/27/2013
I don't think it helps that they are given a platform to stand on. Just don't pay attention to them and they will eventually go away. If they don't like it, then they don't have to watch it.
I don't think it helps that they are given a platform to stand on. Just don't pay attention to them and they will eventually go away. If they don't like it, then they don't have to watch it.
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10:26AM on 08/27/2013

EH?

This site is vocal about a lot of things, including this very own column and movie jail. So whats wrong in fans not liking a decision made by a studio? The same petitions brought back tv series and new versions of 30 year old movies. I am not a comic book fan but love Super hero movies. Affleck is a good director but a horrible actor. We are yet to see him play Batman but I am not too happy about the casting choice. So yeah I thought he will back out. But that isn't how things work in the real
This site is vocal about a lot of things, including this very own column and movie jail. So whats wrong in fans not liking a decision made by a studio? The same petitions brought back tv series and new versions of 30 year old movies. I am not a comic book fan but love Super hero movies. Affleck is a good director but a horrible actor. We are yet to see him play Batman but I am not too happy about the casting choice. So yeah I thought he will back out. But that isn't how things work in the real world sometimes.
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10:25AM on 08/27/2013
Just to point out again, it seems like movie gossip sites are really going out of their way to do damage control for WB.

Where was this article back when fans were sending death threats to critics who gave The Dark Knight negative reviews? I guess that fan anger worked in WB's favor. Now its working against WB, and we are getting 2-3 articles every day from this site that don't report anything, these articles just tell fans "Affleck is cool, Batman is cool, chill out, we love Bryan Cranston
Just to point out again, it seems like movie gossip sites are really going out of their way to do damage control for WB.

Where was this article back when fans were sending death threats to critics who gave The Dark Knight negative reviews? I guess that fan anger worked in WB's favor. Now its working against WB, and we are getting 2-3 articles every day from this site that don't report anything, these articles just tell fans "Affleck is cool, Batman is cool, chill out, we love Bryan Cranston don't we?"
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10:54AM on 08/27/2013
Yes, we've all seen you pointing this out over and over again. Do you think any of us are really "working" for WB? First off, this isn't a NEWS article, this is an opinion piece. There has been news about other people's thoughts on Affleck as Batman because it is, you know, kind of a big deal and unfortunately the reaction to the casting became an almost bigger story. 2-3 articles every day though? The news was announced late Thursday night and it's now Tuesday morning: it's not like it's been
Yes, we've all seen you pointing this out over and over again. Do you think any of us are really "working" for WB? First off, this isn't a NEWS article, this is an opinion piece. There has been news about other people's thoughts on Affleck as Batman because it is, you know, kind of a big deal and unfortunately the reaction to the casting became an almost bigger story. 2-3 articles every day though? The news was announced late Thursday night and it's now Tuesday morning: it's not like it's been two weeks of opinion pieces. Do you honestly think we are writing these because we are trying to protect WB? No. If it was Fox or any other studio, we'd be saying the same thing: calm down and give it a chance. And you know what? If Affleck turns out to be an awesome Batman and everyone on this site did completely shit on the idea, you'd all be saying "You fools, remember when you said Affleck would suck?" There isn't a conspiracy going on; we are just open to the idea and the ones that work here that aren't don't feel the need to be overly negative about it. As Paul said, it comes down to etiquette.
11:00AM on 08/27/2013
Yeah, its Tuesday MORNING and we already have two articles.

And studios have a history of paying for positive hype from websites, and even for positive reviews. I don't believe for a second that Joblo.com is impervious to that.
Yeah, its Tuesday MORNING and we already have two articles.

And studios have a history of paying for positive hype from websites, and even for positive reviews. I don't believe for a second that Joblo.com is impervious to that.
11:05AM on 08/27/2013
Well I can say I have not received one cent from any studio, nor have I ever been told that I've been too critical of a big film or been pressured to hype a movie I wasn't interested in. It might happen at other sites, but not at this one. If you don't believe that, well I don't know what to tell you.
Well I can say I have not received one cent from any studio, nor have I ever been told that I've been too critical of a big film or been pressured to hype a movie I wasn't interested in. It might happen at other sites, but not at this one. If you don't believe that, well I don't know what to tell you.
11:22AM on 08/27/2013
Joblo did do an article after people made threats to critics... The whole Rotten tomatoes discussion was adressed on this website too.
Joblo did do an article after people made threats to critics... The whole Rotten tomatoes discussion was adressed on this website too.
11:42AM on 08/27/2013
Its a conspiracy Silverload!!! A damn conspiracy and Affleck was the magic bullet!!
Its a conspiracy Silverload!!! A damn conspiracy and Affleck was the magic bullet!!
12:39PM on 08/27/2013
Ask Jeff Gerstmann if that is a conspiracy. He ass got fired for writing an honest review. Its not a conspiracy, its just the way the entertainment business works.
Ask Jeff Gerstmann if that is a conspiracy. He ass got fired for writing an honest review. Its not a conspiracy, its just the way the entertainment business works.
1:11PM on 08/27/2013
Think of it this way silverload, replace Ben affleck with whatever actor you wanted to play batman and keep everyones reaction the same. Would you still call out Joblo for "damage control"?
Think of it this way silverload, replace Ben affleck with whatever actor you wanted to play batman and keep everyones reaction the same. Would you still call out Joblo for "damage control"?
1:31PM on 08/27/2013
Silverload enjoys to rape because his avatar is of a cartoon character banging another character while she appears to be unconscious.

See how someone sees what they want, without any factual evidence to back it up? This is you during this argument. What happened to Gertsmann at GameStop is a completely separate issue (and a shit one for him at that). If you can't admit to that, maybe you are just a plant for Marvel ragging on WB to drum up hate for DC properties? Again, no facts, just
Silverload enjoys to rape because his avatar is of a cartoon character banging another character while she appears to be unconscious.

See how someone sees what they want, without any factual evidence to back it up? This is you during this argument. What happened to Gertsmann at GameStop is a completely separate issue (and a shit one for him at that). If you can't admit to that, maybe you are just a plant for Marvel ragging on WB to drum up hate for DC properties? Again, no facts, just stating something that is common to see happen, correct?
4:39PM on 08/27/2013
Holy Crap, everybody chill the fuck out.
Why do so many writers on this site get so butthurt any time it's users are critical of the way they do things? Have some level of professionalism, instead of always whining back at your user base. If you are gonna have comment sections, you guys are gonna have to toughen up a bit.

I've been coming to this site for years and it's always the first place I check for movie news. However, to deny that it doesn't LOOK like this site (as well as many
Holy Crap, everybody chill the fuck out.
Why do so many writers on this site get so butthurt any time it's users are critical of the way they do things? Have some level of professionalism, instead of always whining back at your user base. If you are gonna have comment sections, you guys are gonna have to toughen up a bit.

I've been coming to this site for years and it's always the first place I check for movie news. However, to deny that it doesn't LOOK like this site (as well as many others) is playing damage control is absurd. At the same time I don't think there's some huge conspiracy or anything. The general audience is fickle and easily influenced and obviously it seems that this site is, to its own credit, 'by fans, for the fans' and I think it suffers from the same persuasion from Hollywood.

A few years ago ANYONE would've chalked up Ben Affleck getting cast as Batman as a poor attempt at an April Fool's Joke. But now that everyone is on his bandwagon post-Argo, the legitimate anti-Affleck sentiments quickly get extinguished so that people can feel ahead of the curve. The only thing cooler than hating on Affleck right when it's announced is to be the first one to be supportive right after you realize that there are a lot more casual moviegoers who know Affleck's name. That's what sells tickets my friends...and that's why lot's of fans are pissed, because Batman was once fueled by the fans and now it's looking like it's being served up to the average moviegoer who couldn't care less until the next cool thing comes along. Fans SHOULD get disgruntled when studios flippantly let the influence of ticket sales dictate the integrity of the material. If you wanna address a real issue for fans, address how once fan support gets a property into the mainstream, it's typically taken out of their hands in order to pander to the general audience to sell more tickets...