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C'MON HOLLYWOOD: Are Horror Icons dying a slow death?

07.01.2010

...are Horror Icons dying a slow death?
by J.A. Hamilton

I watched the new NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET over the weekend and decided to give it a couple days to gel in my mind. The reviews were far from stellar when it came down to the critics and the old school Elm Street fans, but remained mixed as many new generation fans dug it. For me, Freddy and Pinhead were THE Horror Icons to beat growing up because of the verbal banter we just don’t get from other fan favorites like Jason, Leatherface and Michael Myers (no I didn’t forget about Chucky, but even as a kid I couldn’t bring myself to fear a doll). With the eighties gone (along with Hollywood’s creativity) we’ve been forced to endure the age of remakes and see our favorite Icons brought back to the screen. Some were hits, some were misses, but as the negative vibe continues to build are we finding ourselves past the point of no return here? Are these Horror Icons’ days numbered?


I want to see more, but these are big shoes to fill.

I like Thomas C. Howell but admittedly never saw the original THE HITCHER. I watched the remake out of respect for Sean Bean and the same can be said of THE AMITYVILLE HORROR (I think Ryan Reynolds did a great job) and THE HILLS HAVE EYES (I’m also a big Derek Mears fan) but ultimately I can’t really comment beyond that. THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE remake was where Platinum Dunes struck their first home run, but after the mediocre follow-up I’m not so sure we’ll see more of Leatherface. I’d be up for another one if done well, but without his creepy family Leatherface would no doubt feel like another Jason or Michael which is no doubt why they made the follow-up a prequel instead of a sequel. And speaking of Michael, Rob Zombie’s HALLOWEEN films were interesting hybrids, but the once roaming idea of a third (3-D) film has been dropped.


The new Leatherface was extremely badass.

I personally loved the new FRIDAY THE 13th remake, some like to say it was just more of the same (Jason killing a gang of sex driven teens) but a lot of Horror films have the same M.O. so I don’t think it’s terribly fair to point fingers. Derek Mears brought a new level excitement to Jason with an aggressive, cunning and more predator-like killer, an edge the franchise truly needed. While he’s been busy with PREDATORS I’ve been anxiously awaiting news of the next FRIDAY THE 13th and was bummed to hear that it was put back on the shelf alongside Leatherface. I sincerely hope they reconsider soon and bring Jason back to the screen as I just know he has more work to do before he retires.


I hope Jason (and Mears) come back for more.

The HELLRAISER films are also among my favorites (the first one was touch and go, but HELLBOUND came back with a bang). Pinhead is a remarkable character, and Douglas Bradley brings a chilling calm to this heartless monster that would no doubt stop anyone’s heart if they ran into this guy in real life. BLOODLINE felt like a remake when it came out simply because it went back and told the true origins of the box that we didn’t see or know until then. After that Pinhead went straight to DVD, and though Bradley thankfully stayed on, his roles got slimmer and slimmer as they sequels wore on. Was I thrilled to hear of a remake? No. Was I curious? Definitely. But either way, Pinhead’s return also got shelved and who knows if and when we’ll see him again.


I like Jackie Earle, but Englund will always be the true Freddy.

The saddest part about all this is that these remakes (good or bad) are the catalysts, not so much because they’re remakes but because in some cases Hollywood is just going about the process the wrong way. Jason and Michael are a bit more forgiving because they’re masked, but not having Robert England and or Douglas Bradley reprise their iconic roles has definitely hurt the Elm Street remake and will (if it gets made) most likely hurt the HELLRAISER one. Bringing these icons back from the dead in remakes is one thing, but changing their faces (or in some cases origins) when they’re far from forgotten is risky. And because remakes are already set up to fail, it seems like we’re slowly watching our favorite Horror Icons die for real. I strongly urge the powers that be to consider this more carefully before they continue down this path and make things worse. I enjoy the SAW films and all, but I don’t think seeing it escalate to SAW 20 will be enough to keep Horror fans interested.
Extra Tidbit: It’s only a matter of time before they bring Chucky back too. I wonder if they’ll keep the “Good Guy” look and logo or change the doll storyline entirely. And though Jerry Dandrige isn’t as big an icon as the above mentioned guys, I’m one hundred percent against a FRIGHT NIGHT remake.
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8:46AM on 05/14/2010

WE NEED MORE!

I love Robert Englund, but I'm not a believer in the whole "only true Freddy" thing. Stop reusing the legends so much and bring on some fresh new villains
I love Robert Englund, but I'm not a believer in the whole "only true Freddy" thing. Stop reusing the legends so much and bring on some fresh new villains
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8:51AM on 05/14/2010
I love the classics but i hate seeing them rehashed for a quick buck. Sadly Hollywood is too scared to drop some cash and create a new horror icon, the closest thing we've got in the last decade is Jigsaw but like all the others Hollywood realized they could make some money and they've driven him into the ground with rushed useless sequels. Its cheaper to make watered down remakes that they know will make money.
I love the classics but i hate seeing them rehashed for a quick buck. Sadly Hollywood is too scared to drop some cash and create a new horror icon, the closest thing we've got in the last decade is Jigsaw but like all the others Hollywood realized they could make some money and they've driven him into the ground with rushed useless sequels. Its cheaper to make watered down remakes that they know will make money.
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8:57AM on 05/14/2010

Son of Dracula etc...

The studios are doing what they've always done. They milk a character and a story dry until there is nothing left and the new films are farces of the originals that created the pull in the first place. It is a point Wes Craven aptly made in "New Nightmare" while trying not to be part of the problem. Think about the original iconic Universal Movie Monsters, the Wolfman, Dracula, Frankenstein. How many derivatives did the studio make before they'd squeezed every last dime from these icons?
The studios are doing what they've always done. They milk a character and a story dry until there is nothing left and the new films are farces of the originals that created the pull in the first place. It is a point Wes Craven aptly made in "New Nightmare" while trying not to be part of the problem. Think about the original iconic Universal Movie Monsters, the Wolfman, Dracula, Frankenstein. How many derivatives did the studio make before they'd squeezed every last dime from these icons? And then, after the creatures had been squeezed of any fear generating potential, we had the inevitable "meet the...." movies. Some of which weren't that bad (Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein comes to mind). In this day and age this trend could have easily become the "VS" movies. But like the "meets the..." movies, the studios weren't willing to sink any talent or money in those projects and their players were left to die an ignominious death.

We'll see if the new "Predators" can break the cycle. Which introduces thoughts of something new in this day and age that the old studios didn't have to contend with, fans with cameras and the ability to make their own versions of the films they want to see.
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8:58AM on 05/14/2010

Son of Dracula etc...

The studios are doing what they've always done. They milk a character and a story dry until there is nothing left and the new films are farces of the originals that created the pull in the first place. It is a point Wes Craven aptly made in "New Nightmare" while trying not to be part of the problem. Think about the original iconic Universal Movie Monsters, the Wolfman, Dracula, Frankenstein. How many derivatives did the studio make before they'd squeezed every last dime from these icons?
The studios are doing what they've always done. They milk a character and a story dry until there is nothing left and the new films are farces of the originals that created the pull in the first place. It is a point Wes Craven aptly made in "New Nightmare" while trying not to be part of the problem. Think about the original iconic Universal Movie Monsters, the Wolfman, Dracula, Frankenstein. How many derivatives did the studio make before they'd squeezed every last dime from these icons? And then, after the creatures had been squeezed of any fear generating potential, we had the inevitable "meet the...." movies. Some of which weren't that bad (Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein comes to mind). In this day and age this trend could have easily become the "VS" movies. But like the "meets the..." movies, the studios weren't willing to sink any talent or money in those projects and their players were left to die an ignominious death.

We'll see if the new "Predators" can break the cycle. Which introduces thoughts of something new in this day and age that the old studios didn't have to contend with, fans with cameras and the ability to make their own versions of the films they want to see.
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9:22AM on 07/01/2010
J.A. Hamilton, you are now my favorite writer on this site for writing this article. I also loved Friday the 13th remake and thought it was great. I also think Reynolds did a great job in The Amityville Horror and thought that the TCM prequel sucked. There aren't enough good horror movies now these days, last one that had a great horror icon is The Collector. I'm a huge fan of horror and is my favorite genre and I wish that horror was taken more serious these days and not just a joke. We need
J.A. Hamilton, you are now my favorite writer on this site for writing this article. I also loved Friday the 13th remake and thought it was great. I also think Reynolds did a great job in The Amityville Horror and thought that the TCM prequel sucked. There aren't enough good horror movies now these days, last one that had a great horror icon is The Collector. I'm a huge fan of horror and is my favorite genre and I wish that horror was taken more serious these days and not just a joke. We need better horror movies and more classic horror classics. I also agree with you that Jason needs to come out of retirement and start killing more teenagers at Camp Crystal Lake. Also, the extra tidbit, they're making a Child's Play remake with Brad Douriff back as Chucky, thank god. That's actually a remake I am looking very forward too, since the original scared the shit out of me when I was a child and the fact that it is one of my favorite movies of all time.
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11:31AM on 07/01/2010
I agree 100%. There was only one gripe I had with the last Friday the 13th movie and that is that they did not use the orignal score throught the film. Abd I still do not know why people are calling it a remake, it is just another sequel.
I agree 100%. There was only one gripe I had with the last Friday the 13th movie and that is that they did not use the orignal score throught the film. Abd I still do not know why people are calling it a remake, it is just another sequel.
9:21AM on 07/01/2010
As much as I fucking HATE the saw franchise, Jigsaw is kind of a new horror icon. I'd consider the infected from the 28 days/weeks to be horror icons because they are scarier than fuck. Maybe the horror "icons" are dying and new ones arent' taking their place because it's hard to get continuously good horror movies established. High Tension, 28 day/weeks, Let the Right One in, Session 9, 30 days of Night, Dawn of the Dead, Funny Games are all great horror movies but the Heroes usually all
As much as I fucking HATE the saw franchise, Jigsaw is kind of a new horror icon. I'd consider the infected from the 28 days/weeks to be horror icons because they are scarier than fuck. Maybe the horror "icons" are dying and new ones arent' taking their place because it's hard to get continuously good horror movies established. High Tension, 28 day/weeks, Let the Right One in, Session 9, 30 days of Night, Dawn of the Dead, Funny Games are all great horror movies but the Heroes usually all die at the end of the first or are replaced in the second and audiences seem less likely to go with the supernatural "can't be killed no matter what" schtick that was prevalent in the 80's. In closing, if the death of franchise horror helps bring about more original/well made movies such as those listed above then I say rest in pieces.
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9:22AM on 07/01/2010

Sad

Its really sad that there are two GREAT characters that have been created recently that I feel are worthy of Horror Icon status, yet are lost in direct to DVD land. I am of course talking about Leslie Vernon from Behind The Mask, and Sam from Trick R Treat.
Its really sad that there are two GREAT characters that have been created recently that I feel are worthy of Horror Icon status, yet are lost in direct to DVD land. I am of course talking about Leslie Vernon from Behind The Mask, and Sam from Trick R Treat.
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10:34AM on 07/01/2010
couldn't agree with you more! both of them are great.
couldn't agree with you more! both of them are great.
9:31AM on 07/01/2010
Trick R Treat was truly a great movie. Sam was a great character. It's a shame more people haven't seen this movie.
Trick R Treat was truly a great movie. Sam was a great character. It's a shame more people haven't seen this movie.
9:25AM on 07/01/2010
As much as I love these franchises, I think they need a rest for the time being. (Case in point: Nightmare on ELm Street 2010 sucked)

I agree, it's time for some fresh faces in the horror/slasher genre.
As much as I love these franchises, I think they need a rest for the time being. (Case in point: Nightmare on ELm Street 2010 sucked)

I agree, it's time for some fresh faces in the horror/slasher genre.
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9:34AM on 07/01/2010

Victoria is better villian then all of those

Seriously, Leather Face, Freddy, Jason, Pinhead, Chucky, Jaws, Carrie, IT, Alien, Predator, Terminator all fail as villians when you are presented with the Twilight Saga's very own, Victoria, played by the gorgious Bryce Dallas Howard, in this weeks most glorious of glorious films, Twilight Sage: Eclipse. She owns all those villians, and does it with a sex appeal no other villian could do. Twilight owns!!! TWILIGHT FTW
Seriously, Leather Face, Freddy, Jason, Pinhead, Chucky, Jaws, Carrie, IT, Alien, Predator, Terminator all fail as villians when you are presented with the Twilight Saga's very own, Victoria, played by the gorgious Bryce Dallas Howard, in this weeks most glorious of glorious films, Twilight Sage: Eclipse. She owns all those villians, and does it with a sex appeal no other villian could do. Twilight owns!!! TWILIGHT FTW
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4:38PM on 07/01/2010
Are you fucking serious!?
Are you fucking serious!?
3:00PM on 07/01/2010
im wondering if they are high on coke or something
im wondering if they are high on coke or something
11:21AM on 07/01/2010
You must be kidding!
You must be kidding!
9:36AM on 07/01/2010

Couldn't agree more!

It is a pity the studios responsible for these remakes are two stubborn to return to the original canon that spawned these movies. Why not Friday the 13th part XI? Or Nightmare 10? Or Halloween 10? Give the franchises to the fans! We'll make the sequels that we know others will love!
It is a pity the studios responsible for these remakes are two stubborn to return to the original canon that spawned these movies. Why not Friday the 13th part XI? Or Nightmare 10? Or Halloween 10? Give the franchises to the fans! We'll make the sequels that we know others will love!
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10:23AM on 07/01/2010

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Great article. I had big hopes for Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street, but I just did not have enough faith in them to plunk down my dollars, and I never will. The problem with remakes made in our life time is that we have emotions invested before the opening scene. Friday the 13th should have been easy, Jason does not talk he just stalks and kills, and thus it can be likable. But freddy, he has character, there is was no way possible to bring him alive without Englund.
Great article. I had big hopes for Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street, but I just did not have enough faith in them to plunk down my dollars, and I never will. The problem with remakes made in our life time is that we have emotions invested before the opening scene. Friday the 13th should have been easy, Jason does not talk he just stalks and kills, and thus it can be likable. But freddy, he has character, there is was no way possible to bring him alive without Englund.
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10:45AM on 07/01/2010
Hellraiser died after Bloodline. Let it rest.
Hellraiser died after Bloodline. Let it rest.
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10:54AM on 07/01/2010
Sounds to me that your lament is the same as many others when bela legosi, boris karloff, lon chaney and lon chaney jr. started slowly dieing off. They started with classics but as the sequals wore on and on and on it slowly killed off the quality once enjoyed by the originals. Now these days we have a new set of horror icons but the sands of time eventually take their toll on our once great horror icons. Soon they too will die out. Eventually if you live long enough you may just get to see new
Sounds to me that your lament is the same as many others when bela legosi, boris karloff, lon chaney and lon chaney jr. started slowly dieing off. They started with classics but as the sequals wore on and on and on it slowly killed off the quality once enjoyed by the originals. Now these days we have a new set of horror icons but the sands of time eventually take their toll on our once great horror icons. Soon they too will die out. Eventually if you live long enough you may just get to see new icons. At least there is one silver lining, halloween always preserves the best icons so likely no doubt jason, freddy, micheal meyers, pinhead, and ghostfacekilla will all live on as a mask and outfit which some kid may one day feel inspired to become a writer and make a whole new icon which in turn inspires the next generation and so on. The cycle never dies it just inspires something new.
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11:22AM on 07/01/2010
Great article. I personally believe that horror as a whole is dying. For some reason, a lot of people just don't like it anymore. It's a shame, with today's technology horror could be epic.
Great article. I personally believe that horror as a whole is dying. For some reason, a lot of people just don't like it anymore. It's a shame, with today's technology horror could be epic.
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11:26AM on 07/01/2010

Nope, they will be fine!

I actually liked all of these remakes to a degree, but not nearly as much as the originals. If Freddy can survive Freddy's Dead and the Dream Child, and Jason can survive Jason X and The Final Friday, and Pinhead can survive Bloodline and beyond and Leatherface can survive Texas Chainsaw Massacre 4: The Next Generation, then let's face it, they truly are indestructible.
I actually liked all of these remakes to a degree, but not nearly as much as the originals. If Freddy can survive Freddy's Dead and the Dream Child, and Jason can survive Jason X and The Final Friday, and Pinhead can survive Bloodline and beyond and Leatherface can survive Texas Chainsaw Massacre 4: The Next Generation, then let's face it, they truly are indestructible.
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11:31AM on 07/01/2010

Nope, they will be fine!

I actually liked all of these remakes to a degree, but not nearly as much as the originals. If Freddy can survive Freddy's Dead and the Dream Child, and Jason can survive Jason X and The Final Friday, and Pinhead can survive Bloodline and beyond and Leatherface can survive Texas Chainsaw Massacre 4: The Next Generation, then let's face it, they truly are indestructible.
I actually liked all of these remakes to a degree, but not nearly as much as the originals. If Freddy can survive Freddy's Dead and the Dream Child, and Jason can survive Jason X and The Final Friday, and Pinhead can survive Bloodline and beyond and Leatherface can survive Texas Chainsaw Massacre 4: The Next Generation, then let's face it, they truly are indestructible.
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11:32AM on 07/01/2010

P.S. Go read Bumbray's Last Airbender Review

Comedy gold! Looks like M. Knight may have just put the final nail in his career coffin.
Comedy gold! Looks like M. Knight may have just put the final nail in his career coffin.
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11:44AM on 07/01/2010

Those guys in The Strangers....

I don't think horror icons are dying. They'll make a comeback. But I agree with what some have said below...people need to start creating new villains and new faces. The horror villains of old were great, no doubt, but whenever you remake something, people are going to be extra analytical about it, and with cheapass directors behind the wheel, it's a miracle if the remakes can survive such scrutiny. Speaking of scary horror icons...those dudes in The Strangers were some of the creepiest, if not
I don't think horror icons are dying. They'll make a comeback. But I agree with what some have said below...people need to start creating new villains and new faces. The horror villains of old were great, no doubt, but whenever you remake something, people are going to be extra analytical about it, and with cheapass directors behind the wheel, it's a miracle if the remakes can survive such scrutiny. Speaking of scary horror icons...those dudes in The Strangers were some of the creepiest, if not most frightening, antagonists I've seen...ever! Sure they aren't icons, but I'm surprised a sequel isn't out yet. You want fear? That's fear. Those a-holes haunted my dreams for days!
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12:07PM on 07/01/2010
Great article. Yes I think some of these icons are dying a death but there have been a few new ones popping up, The Collector, Babyface from The Hills Run Red and little Sam from Trick r' Treat which as stated below is a hugely under rated movie. I dislike a lot of the remakes but I have enjoyed a couple, I thought TCM was actually pretty solid. Yes some of the remakes tarnish the good name of the originals but we can always go back and watch the orignals, for every Rob Zombies Halloween there
Great article. Yes I think some of these icons are dying a death but there have been a few new ones popping up, The Collector, Babyface from The Hills Run Red and little Sam from Trick r' Treat which as stated below is a hugely under rated movie. I dislike a lot of the remakes but I have enjoyed a couple, I thought TCM was actually pretty solid. Yes some of the remakes tarnish the good name of the originals but we can always go back and watch the orignals, for every Rob Zombies Halloween there is John Carpenter's Halloween. Things change, in movies as with everything else and although I love my horror icons I try and not get too upset as there isn't anything we can do about them, if you don't want a remake, don't go see it.

P.S MICHAEL MYERS RULES!!!!!!!!!!
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12:44PM on 07/01/2010

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Fantastic article sir, I couldn't have put it any better. I'm scared too that our favorite horror movie icons are bleeding out. Eventually we'll have a new horror icon, Ghost Face is a HUGE horror icon and that came in the 90's. We sell more Ghost Face costumes at my Halloween supply store than ANY OTHER KILLER. Maybe sometime soon we'll get a new icon, at least I hope!
Fantastic article sir, I couldn't have put it any better. I'm scared too that our favorite horror movie icons are bleeding out. Eventually we'll have a new horror icon, Ghost Face is a HUGE horror icon and that came in the 90's. We sell more Ghost Face costumes at my Halloween supply store than ANY OTHER KILLER. Maybe sometime soon we'll get a new icon, at least I hope!
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12:55PM on 07/01/2010

chris brumbray

@badfilmsrule

Ok I'm sorry but Chris brumbray sucks as a critic his take on movies are awful, he should have never even reviewed that film ( the last airbender), he hasn't seen any of the show or comics and he is such a shitty critic, I almost disagree on every movie he reviews I actually look at his review and if he hated it I know its most likely a good movie, M. Night films are not that bad he has made two bad films the Village and the happening, the later actually isn't as bad as people
@badfilmsrule

Ok I'm sorry but Chris brumbray sucks as a critic his take on movies are awful, he should have never even reviewed that film ( the last airbender), he hasn't seen any of the show or comics and he is such a shitty critic, I almost disagree on every movie he reviews I actually look at his review and if he hated it I know its most likely a good movie, M. Night films are not that bad he has made two bad films the Village and the happening, the later actually isn't as bad as people say, so yeah still a good director and still Chris is a douche when it comes to reviewing movies.
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8:07PM on 07/01/2010
am the only one who thought The Village was pretty damn good.
am the only one who thought The Village was pretty damn good.
2:00PM on 07/01/2010
94% of the critics on Rottentomatoes disagree with you. The film currently has 06% fresh on that site, and I know at times that can be decieving, but the average score is 1.5 out of 5 stars. And I usually like Bumbray's reviews.
94% of the critics on Rottentomatoes disagree with you. The film currently has 06% fresh on that site, and I know at times that can be decieving, but the average score is 1.5 out of 5 stars. And I usually like Bumbray's reviews.
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1:52PM on 07/01/2010
Unforntunatly yes, these are dying a slow death, because they're not horror icons any more, they're pop culture icons. You can buy friday the 13th t shirts in high street clothes shops these days. Some new horror icons are being created though like Saw (even though thats getting old now). Like has been said many times, if hollywood would let it rest and constantly come up with new stuff, these characters would have ended on a high, not rubbed in everyones faces to the point were the meaning is
Unforntunatly yes, these are dying a slow death, because they're not horror icons any more, they're pop culture icons. You can buy friday the 13th t shirts in high street clothes shops these days. Some new horror icons are being created though like Saw (even though thats getting old now). Like has been said many times, if hollywood would let it rest and constantly come up with new stuff, these characters would have ended on a high, not rubbed in everyones faces to the point were the meaning is lost.
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2:07PM on 07/01/2010
Actually Saw 6 was the best since the original.
Actually Saw 6 was the best since the original.
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2:13PM on 07/01/2010
Phantasm needs a remake
Phantasm needs a remake
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2:49PM on 07/01/2010
I love you just for suggesting that.
I love you just for suggesting that.
2:44PM on 07/01/2010
Here's an idea, how about we leave those amazing icons the fuck alone and create some new, fresh, and original icons. Just an idea.
Here's an idea, how about we leave those amazing icons the fuck alone and create some new, fresh, and original icons. Just an idea.
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5:34AM on 07/02/2010
Preach it, brother
Preach it, brother
4:37PM on 07/01/2010
Amen.
Amen.
3:19PM on 07/01/2010
Again with the home run talk on Platinum Dunes. New Leatherface was not bad ass. They turned him in to a tragic figure. That's not bad ass. This article is highly questionable.
Again with the home run talk on Platinum Dunes. New Leatherface was not bad ass. They turned him in to a tragic figure. That's not bad ass. This article is highly questionable.
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3:52PM on 07/01/2010
You're right, they did make him sypathetic which questions the character's (and movie's) core theme, but I guess I just like this one because I didn't watch the original so it was my first experience with the franchise, if that's a proper defense. I'm not saying the film was perfect, but it was a homerun compared to the rest of Platinum Dunes' collection.
You're right, they did make him sypathetic which questions the character's (and movie's) core theme, but I guess I just like this one because I didn't watch the original so it was my first experience with the franchise, if that's a proper defense. I'm not saying the film was perfect, but it was a homerun compared to the rest of Platinum Dunes' collection.
3:48PM on 07/01/2010
Part of me wants another Hellraiser simply because of how cool Pinhead is, but like you, I'm scared to see if they rape the series in the ass.
Part of me wants another Hellraiser simply because of how cool Pinhead is, but like you, I'm scared to see if they rape the series in the ass.
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4:27PM on 07/01/2010
I don't know about Fright Night and I really don't know about a Chucky re-launch. These guys need to know when to quit while they're ahead...or not so ahead.
I don't know about Fright Night and I really don't know about a Chucky re-launch. These guys need to know when to quit while they're ahead...or not so ahead.
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5:28PM on 07/01/2010

problem with new nightmare

platinum dunes works fine for jason (and for leatherface, i guess) because there's nothing except badass to build up.

HOPE Scream 4 criticizes or deconstructs platinum dunes in some capacity. A Nightmare movie needs to have as much personality as freddy himself. THis is why Freddy vs. Jason was such a success compared to the remake... too much origins/backstory not enough chuckles and camp...
platinum dunes works fine for jason (and for leatherface, i guess) because there's nothing except badass to build up.

HOPE Scream 4 criticizes or deconstructs platinum dunes in some capacity. A Nightmare movie needs to have as much personality as freddy himself. THis is why Freddy vs. Jason was such a success compared to the remake... too much origins/backstory not enough chuckles and camp...
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7:59PM on 07/01/2010
More concerning is the lack of originality in american horror. very very few good horror movies to come out of the west in recent times.
More concerning is the lack of originality in american horror. very very few good horror movies to come out of the west in recent times.
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8:09PM on 07/01/2010
Meyers and Jason were always my fav out of all of the slasher icons. Leatherface didnt have alot of sequals and Freddy was too magical imo.
Meyers and Jason were always my fav out of all of the slasher icons. Leatherface didnt have alot of sequals and Freddy was too magical imo.
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10:24PM on 07/01/2010
I loved the new Friday the 13 but Nightmare on Elm Street was meh. Remakes can be good for these films if done with a little TLC but most times they just come off as half assed like most everything in Hollywood these days. Sucks to be us.
I loved the new Friday the 13 but Nightmare on Elm Street was meh. Remakes can be good for these films if done with a little TLC but most times they just come off as half assed like most everything in Hollywood these days. Sucks to be us.
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11:52PM on 07/01/2010

Loved the 1st 2 Hellraisers & liked Bloodline.

I love horror movies but you forgot one of the best. Tony Todd as "CandyMan" was one of my all time fav's. Virgina Madsen was great in the lead & the whole atmosphere was great. I admit I think Clive Barker is masterful in his creations. Anybody remember "Nightbreed?" I very much enjoyed that flick & thought Craig Sheffer of "A River Runs Through it" did a great job. He was also in the James Caan film "The Program" which I used to watch like crazy when I was playing ball. It seems
I love horror movies but you forgot one of the best. Tony Todd as "CandyMan" was one of my all time fav's. Virgina Madsen was great in the lead & the whole atmosphere was great. I admit I think Clive Barker is masterful in his creations. Anybody remember "Nightbreed?" I very much enjoyed that flick & thought Craig Sheffer of "A River Runs Through it" did a great job. He was also in the James Caan film "The Program" which I used to watch like crazy when I was playing ball. It seems everything he does now if you can even find him is Direct-to-DVD which all suck. What I'd really like is for someone to come up w/a new Horror Icon, but that just hasn't happened. All of the Hellraiser sequels something like 7 of them have sucked & Craig Sheffer was in one of them too. Here's hoping someone can make a good horror icon soon!
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5:31AM on 07/02/2010

Where the hell's the New Class??

That's what I want to know. Even if every remake they did was brilliant - a proposition that's so ridiculous I could barely type that sentence - they're still the same original characters that represent the first crop of slashers. Where are the new guys? It's like the genre never progressed beyond its origins. Even Ghostface - arguably the youngest of the group - is still more of a direct commentary than he is a true member of the clan.

You're right, these icons are dying. But that's
That's what I want to know. Even if every remake they did was brilliant - a proposition that's so ridiculous I could barely type that sentence - they're still the same original characters that represent the first crop of slashers. Where are the new guys? It's like the genre never progressed beyond its origins. Even Ghostface - arguably the youngest of the group - is still more of a direct commentary than he is a true member of the clan.

You're right, these icons are dying. But that's what's supposed to happen. The real danger here is that they're dragging their entire genre down with them. We need an injection of new slashers and STAT. Otherwise, SAW 20 is all you can hope to look forward to.
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3:16PM on 07/02/2010
Next thing you know they'll be remaking crap like CANDYMAN and DR GIGGLES.
Next thing you know they'll be remaking crap like CANDYMAN and DR GIGGLES.
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4:15PM on 07/03/2010

Good article and...

...some valid points made. The remakes just because of the evolved technology is a theory of "if we could do this back then"...yet it bastardizes the original concepts (which over the years is why I'm becoming more and more irritated when I re-watch the latest Star Wars trilogy on the Spike TV). Here's a novel concept and since the world is practically at an all-time high of whack jobs, nut cases, and psycho's to inspire a screenwriter...try and create some new horror characters and see if over
...some valid points made. The remakes just because of the evolved technology is a theory of "if we could do this back then"...yet it bastardizes the original concepts (which over the years is why I'm becoming more and more irritated when I re-watch the latest Star Wars trilogy on the Spike TV). Here's a novel concept and since the world is practically at an all-time high of whack jobs, nut cases, and psycho's to inspire a screenwriter...try and create some new horror characters and see if over time they become as iconic as the previous mentioned...oh wait, there I go again thinking the movie industry gives a shit other than the almighty dollar. Sorry in advance, please don't report me to the American KGB and have them come take my kids in the middle of the night...long live the Weinstein's (WTF???)...
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4:46PM on 08/16/2010
yES.
yES.
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