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C'mon Hollywood: Can Schwarzenegger and Stallone recover from their recent flops?

Feb. 5, 2013by: Paul Shirey

As a child of the ‘80’s I was immersed in the action films of that era. The macho posturing, endless ammunition, colorful villains, creative profanity, and blood-squib splatters were brought to me regularly by three key actors: Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Bruce Willis, with many others filling in the gaps (Steven Seagal, Van Damme, Lundgren, Snipes, etc.). I never fathomed a time when the genre would change or die, it was just the way things were. And I was happy for it.

Then, sometime in the late ‘90’s a shift began. The quality began to decline, the showmanship was half-assed, and the vigor of the previous era had been replaced by safer or experimental genres that just didn’t click. Minus a few hits here and there, the power of Stallone, Schwarzenegger, and Willis seemed to take a nosedive. Stallone began hiding out in direct-to-video/cameo land, while Schwarzenegger hopped from the Cameron-less TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES and into the governorship of California. Willis would have a little better luck, but not by far, as he’s churned out more forgettable than memorable films since his heyday.

Last month, Schwarzenegger debuted his “comeback” vehicle THE LAST STAND, which opened in 10th place and has thus far garnered only $11 million (with a $45 million budget). Stallone’s stand-alone starrer, BULLET TO THE HEAD opened this past weekend in fifth place with a $4.5 million take. The Walter-Hill-directed action pic had been delayed from the get-go and obviously didn’t reap any kind of benefit as a result. It’s a sad one-two punch from team Stallone/Schwarzenegger, who enjoyed some nostalgic success with THE EXPENDABLES 2 last year, which served as a beacon for their return.

I wasn’t expecting that THE LAST STAND or BULLET TO THE HEAD would be TRUE LIES or RAMBO material. I had no such illusions. But, I did hope that they’d have a healthy dose of nostalgic action, inspired direction, and some of the charisma that made them stars. Unfortunately, both films delivered only a fraction of those attributes, leaving us with the kind of stuff I’d rather have waited til Netflix for. My mind was barely in the game for either and I felt bad because of it. I wanted to dig these movies!

So, what happened? Why are these first entries into their “comeback” state so mediocre and is that what kept audiences away? The marketing for both films was pretty aggressive, even if not exactly on point. You would think that with the level of star power these two giants have behind them would open a film in better than 5th or 10th place. And really, the reviews aren’t all that bad (59% for THE LAST STAND and 46% for BULLET). So, why did audiences stay away? Are these guys through? Do they only have hits when in an established franchise? Have those of us that grew up with them now grown out of them? Are new audiences too sophisticated (or less, perhaps) for their brand of action?

I think that it’s a mixture of all of those reasons. Schwarzenegger’s last great film was TRUE LIES, while Stallone had more recent success with RAMBO and THE EXPENDABLES, but was in the gutter for a long time after CLIFFHANGER. I think what’s happened is that we’ve seen these two stars own a decade; they were the champions, the box-office draw, and now the tide has turned. Because, let’s face it, the ‘80’s are over and the cinema it churned out during that time (and even into the mid-90’s) is now virtually nonexistent.

The techno-thrillers, superhero epics, raunchy comedies, and young adult fare are the kings of the box office these days, all genres these two stars have only dabbled in at best. It really shouldn’t be that surprising that their latest efforts reflecting the old guard weren’t welcome with open arms. They simply didn’t fit the mold of what people are paying to see. And despite some people’s vehement defense of both films, the honest truth is that they are simply aren't up to snuff, either as throwbacks to the genre or modern-day efforts.

Now, this could potentially be a fluke; a bad kick-off, a slow start, whatever you want to call it. Arnold and Stallone both have some intriguing works on the way, one of which stars the both of them. THE TOMB, a high-tech prison escape thriller, followed by TEN, with Schwarzenegger playing a shady DEA agent for director David Ayer (END OF WATCH). Both of these pics have more going for them than THE LAST STAND or BULLET TO THE HEAD combined.

With Arnold circling a return to both CONAN and THE TERMINATOR franchises and Stallone jumping into a third EXPENDABLES (with Arnie in tow) and back in the ring with Robert De Niro for GRUDGE MATCH, the Kings of the ‘80’s aren’t letting a few flops stop them from charging forward. And really, they never did. It’s my belief that both Arnold and Stallone will recover from their recent box office flops and re-emerge as seasoned stars that can still connect with their audience.

What it comes down to is choosing projects that they are passionate about and working with creators who share that enthusiasm. Arnold works best with big-budget filmmakers who know what to do with him and Stallone soars when he’s directing himself more so than anyone else. By looking at what worked best throughout their careers and following their passion, rather than jumping into a commercialized stereotypical vehicle like the duo gave us these past few months, they could easily get unstuck from the mud of Hollywood mediocrity and take flight into a successful third act of their long-standing careers.

Extra Tidbit: The third Planet Hollywood cardholder in this trifecta is Bruce Willis who opens up with A Good Day To Die Hard in a few weeks. Do you think he'll suffer like his counterparts or is sticking with a franchise entry the safe bet?
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12:34PM on 02/06/2013

Jan February are down month

Their try to pull a Liam neeson with The Grey but no ones bigger than his cock, studio put garage movies,they no will bomb in Jan Feb .but they thought they had momentum with the expendables, bigger number happen in summer blockbusters or winter release and they could have made some moneythis summer. Not that many good movies this summer .
Their try to pull a Liam neeson with The Grey but no ones bigger than his cock, studio put garage movies,they no will bomb in Jan Feb .but they thought they had momentum with the expendables, bigger number happen in summer blockbusters or winter release and they could have made some moneythis summer. Not that many good movies this summer .
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11:57AM on 02/06/2013

They don't have to recover...

They gave us some great movies/experiences, but in general they haven't done anything worthwhile in a long time. And they don't have to. If anything its annoying that they keep pandering to and exploiting their fan base for money by recycling the same old tired shit. Seems like they're getting what they deserve for putting out such poor product. Let me put it this way; if you went to a diner and had an amazing burger, best you ever tasted, you'd go back there again and again, right? Of course.
They gave us some great movies/experiences, but in general they haven't done anything worthwhile in a long time. And they don't have to. If anything its annoying that they keep pandering to and exploiting their fan base for money by recycling the same old tired shit. Seems like they're getting what they deserve for putting out such poor product. Let me put it this way; if you went to a diner and had an amazing burger, best you ever tasted, you'd go back there again and again, right? Of course. Fast forward a few years, they're just not serving up the same quality grub, would you still eat at this place because they once served you something mind blowing? No. When they start serving up the good shit again, I'll be there. Until then enjoy your fortunes fellas and stop peddling your garbage.
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11:41AM on 02/06/2013

Good Day To Die HArd will flop... rated R won't save it

I love the three macho stooges of action (willis, arnie and stallone) but they aren't popular anymore... Willis is the most popular these days but Good Day will more than likely be a flop. Too many people are complaining about the direction the series is going, the over use of horrible looking CGI in the trailers. It will make its money on rentals and thats it.
I love the three macho stooges of action (willis, arnie and stallone) but they aren't popular anymore... Willis is the most popular these days but Good Day will more than likely be a flop. Too many people are complaining about the direction the series is going, the over use of horrible looking CGI in the trailers. It will make its money on rentals and thats it.
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8:28AM on 02/06/2013
I think Die Hard will do fine because its part of a successful franchise. Actors need to be able to age gracefully and Stallone can take all the human growth hormones he wants the fact of the matter is that he's in his 60's and approaching his 70's, same thing with Arnold. Years ago when Stallone did Cop Land I thought it was going to be the next step in his career where he started thought provoking age appropriate roles but that didn't happen. People flocked to the Expendables for two reasons,
I think Die Hard will do fine because its part of a successful franchise. Actors need to be able to age gracefully and Stallone can take all the human growth hormones he wants the fact of the matter is that he's in his 60's and approaching his 70's, same thing with Arnold. Years ago when Stallone did Cop Land I thought it was going to be the next step in his career where he started thought provoking age appropriate roles but that didn't happen. People flocked to the Expendables for two reasons, the older people who grew up in the 80's were there for nostalgia and the younger people were looking forward to see a train wreck. The other factor on why Bullet and Last Stand failed at the box office is because thy both looked incredibly stupid and boring. Ten and The Tomb sound like they have stronger premises, then it also depends on when they're released because I doubt people are going to see either of those movies over any of the other tent-pole movies being released this year. I already know that I won't.
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12:57AM on 02/06/2013

What about overseas?

Movies are making more nowadays overseas than domestic. The Last Stand and Bullet to the Head may yet turn a profit. As for why they aren't making a lot of money domestically, well, perhaps post Sandy Hook people don't want to root for a hero who goes around shooting people.
Movies are making more nowadays overseas than domestic. The Last Stand and Bullet to the Head may yet turn a profit. As for why they aren't making a lot of money domestically, well, perhaps post Sandy Hook people don't want to root for a hero who goes around shooting people.
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11:07PM on 02/05/2013

I actually wrote...

...a huge thing on this on my blog, Kevin's Review Catalogue. The short version amounts to: Die Hard and The Matrix reducing the appeal of that sort of action movie, the growing popularity of video games, and the fact that the moviegoing climate today is not the same as it was in the '80s. Here's the link to the full article (don't worry, I linked back here):
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...a huge thing on this on my blog, Kevin's Review Catalogue. The short version amounts to: Die Hard and The Matrix reducing the appeal of that sort of action movie, the growing popularity of video games, and the fact that the moviegoing climate today is not the same as it was in the '80s. Here's the link to the full article (don't worry, I linked back here):
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10:22PM on 02/05/2013
Good article, and brings up interesting points, but I think this is the same as nearly every generation of film goers. There is always a longing for the past when you grew up with certain films. My parents enjoy older films and ponder why today's films aren't more like they used to be. I think the same goes for us who grew up on 80's and 90's action. It's different now though. The era of the macho, muscle bound action hero is gone. In their place are superheroes and the supernatural. And it's
Good article, and brings up interesting points, but I think this is the same as nearly every generation of film goers. There is always a longing for the past when you grew up with certain films. My parents enjoy older films and ponder why today's films aren't more like they used to be. I think the same goes for us who grew up on 80's and 90's action. It's different now though. The era of the macho, muscle bound action hero is gone. In their place are superheroes and the supernatural. And it's really not a wonder why. The technology has allowed filmmakers to realize bigger heroes and more fantastical action. In the 80's and even much of the 90's, the heroes we had, like those that Arnold and Sly played were still fantasy heroes, but in a more practical way. If we had had the technology we have now back then, it would have been Arnold playing Thor. The point being, though, is that many, many elements have caused a shift in the kind of action hero people enjoy watching. I'd say Statham is the only really comparable action hero today to Sly and Arnold as he continues the tradition of ass kicking and one liners. Although, I'd argue he's also losing steam as a star of public interest.
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10:07PM on 02/05/2013
Good, interesting article, but I do always find it funny that Willis is always lumped in with these two, despite part of the appeal of Willis in 'Die Hard' is how opposite he is of those two. With that out of the way, I think it's that both films looked like complete ass. Cliche and boring, despite the awesomeness of the talent involved.
Good, interesting article, but I do always find it funny that Willis is always lumped in with these two, despite part of the appeal of Willis in 'Die Hard' is how opposite he is of those two. With that out of the way, I think it's that both films looked like complete ass. Cliche and boring, despite the awesomeness of the talent involved.
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12:51PM on 02/06/2013
I think it's mainly the Planet Hollywood connection that brings Willis' name up.
I think it's mainly the Planet Hollywood connection that brings Willis' name up.
9:23PM on 02/05/2013
It's a real shame that both their movies flopped. Everybody always says that they should make a new, fun 80s action movie and The Last Stand and Bullet to the Head were, but no one saw them. I paid matinee price for both of them and had a blast.
It's a real shame that both their movies flopped. Everybody always says that they should make a new, fun 80s action movie and The Last Stand and Bullet to the Head were, but no one saw them. I paid matinee price for both of them and had a blast.
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7:57PM on 02/05/2013

Let me just throw this out there.

Look, the Rocky series is so close to my heart. Arnold has shown me some damn good times in my life. Both a legends in my book, but think about this honestly. The 80's were thirty years ago. Maybe their time is just over.
Look, the Rocky series is so close to my heart. Arnold has shown me some damn good times in my life. Both a legends in my book, but think about this honestly. The 80's were thirty years ago. Maybe their time is just over.
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7:11PM on 02/05/2013
Like many of you, I am a child of the 1980's. I grew up with these guys and love them. This being said, I think this is it for them. Only their iconic characters can save them at this point. But Rocky is done, and so is Rambo (admittedly he could make one more but the ending of the fourth was just so fitting, it'd be a shame). As for Arnold, unless James Cameron comes in for True Lies 2, I'm afraid only The Legend of Conan can save him. Heck it'd be a good film to end his cinematic career.
Like many of you, I am a child of the 1980's. I grew up with these guys and love them. This being said, I think this is it for them. Only their iconic characters can save them at this point. But Rocky is done, and so is Rambo (admittedly he could make one more but the ending of the fourth was just so fitting, it'd be a shame). As for Arnold, unless James Cameron comes in for True Lies 2, I'm afraid only The Legend of Conan can save him. Heck it'd be a good film to end his cinematic career. Started with Conan, ended with Conan.
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5:22PM on 02/05/2013
The way I see it, these fellas are action legends heading into their winter years. Do they really need comebacks? Their films and characters are iconic, and we may've been expecting too much of them with their recent films. It's a bummer to be sure, but I wouldn't shed too many tears. I'm sure Ahnold and Sly aren't. BTW, they still look badass for their ages. Life ain't so bad!
The way I see it, these fellas are action legends heading into their winter years. Do they really need comebacks? Their films and characters are iconic, and we may've been expecting too much of them with their recent films. It's a bummer to be sure, but I wouldn't shed too many tears. I'm sure Ahnold and Sly aren't. BTW, they still look badass for their ages. Life ain't so bad!
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5:00PM on 02/05/2013

meh

Arnold is the only one trying a 'comeback' - Stallone has been trying regain his glory since 2006 with Rocky Balboa. Willis has constantly been around, but Willis isn't as scared to not be the main star of a film as the other two and he has more acting range....when he decides to use it (Looper, Moonrise Kingdom). Stallone needs to scale back and find some Trautmanesque roles for the new Rambos of the world.
Arnold is the only one trying a 'comeback' - Stallone has been trying regain his glory since 2006 with Rocky Balboa. Willis has constantly been around, but Willis isn't as scared to not be the main star of a film as the other two and he has more acting range....when he decides to use it (Looper, Moonrise Kingdom). Stallone needs to scale back and find some Trautmanesque roles for the new Rambos of the world.
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3:36PM on 02/05/2013

It's tough getting old

I'm 37, so I grew up on their heyday films. I see a two-fold problem. One, the definition of action-movies have changed, as have the tastes of a lot of movie audiences. That will always happen. As much as a niche group of fans enjoys classic 80's-90's action movies, that doesn't bear out to broad critical and commercial success. You can give me a thumbs down, but the numbers speak for themselves. The next is simply the typecasting. These guys are getting used the same way that "The A-Team" got
I'm 37, so I grew up on their heyday films. I see a two-fold problem. One, the definition of action-movies have changed, as have the tastes of a lot of movie audiences. That will always happen. As much as a niche group of fans enjoys classic 80's-90's action movies, that doesn't bear out to broad critical and commercial success. You can give me a thumbs down, but the numbers speak for themselves. The next is simply the typecasting. These guys are getting used the same way that "The A-Team" got used. Somebody decides on making a "Stallone" vehicle, and then everything else happens after that. Stallone has actually fared better than Arnold, because often times, Stallone himself is the one deciding on making a "Stallone" movie. At any rate - that's not enough. The expendables was about as direct a shot at recreating a specific movie experience, and has some novelty factor. I'm not judging whether these movies are good or bad - just that the more narrow you get, the harder it is to find something in the margins that will fill a seat. There's a reason why Bruce Willis isn't being discussed in this article. He's gone the extra mile to mix up his career. He's picked projects and even (according to urban legend) done movies he didn't want to get his passion projects picked up. With some minor exception - Arnold and Sly are pretty one-dimensional (Arnold more so). If that dimension doesn't suit audiences, then they are going to get the box office results in kind.
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2:53PM on 02/05/2013
Funny how everybody agrees True Lies is Arnolds last good movie and yet it's unbelievable an Arnold movie flops. And it's not even because the movie sucked, no everything else is wrong: the marketing, the budget, the costars or even the audience that already ignored his movies for the past twenty years.

Why is it so hard to believe some moviestars are past their prime. Nobody cares when Dustin Hoffman, Robert de Niro or Al Pacino churn out a stinker. Those guys ruled the 70's! How can they
Funny how everybody agrees True Lies is Arnolds last good movie and yet it's unbelievable an Arnold movie flops. And it's not even because the movie sucked, no everything else is wrong: the marketing, the budget, the costars or even the audience that already ignored his movies for the past twenty years.

Why is it so hard to believe some moviestars are past their prime. Nobody cares when Dustin Hoffman, Robert de Niro or Al Pacino churn out a stinker. Those guys ruled the 70's! How can they not be boxoffice material 40 years later?
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3:13PM on 02/05/2013
Hoffman, de Niro, and Pacino have all had hits past the '70's and still churn out good films. Hoffman in Rain Man, Outbreak, shit, even Kung Fu Panda. De Niro has had a massive career and continues to do so; The Untouchables, Midnight Run, Cape Fear, This Boy's Life, Goodfellas, Casino, Jackie Brown, Meet the Parents, and most recently in Silver Linings Playbook. De Niro and Pacino shared some greatness with Mann's Heat, and Pacino has done a slew of great films since the '70's; Scarface,
Hoffman, de Niro, and Pacino have all had hits past the '70's and still churn out good films. Hoffman in Rain Man, Outbreak, shit, even Kung Fu Panda. De Niro has had a massive career and continues to do so; The Untouchables, Midnight Run, Cape Fear, This Boy's Life, Goodfellas, Casino, Jackie Brown, Meet the Parents, and most recently in Silver Linings Playbook. De Niro and Pacino shared some greatness with Mann's Heat, and Pacino has done a slew of great films since the '70's; Scarface, Glengarry Glen Ross, Scent of a Woman, Carlito's Way, Donnie Brasco, Any Given Sunday, Insomnia, and Righteous Kill (just kidding!).

Yes, they lay out some crap, too, but mostly they're pretty consistent. I think they've all done their best to adapt and worked within their skill sets and age group. Everyone has to adapt. You can't always be in your mid-30's and 40's and bring the heat for decades. Okay, unless you're Tom Cruise.

Plenty of stars and filmmakers can fall out of favor, but it's certainly not the rule: Eastwood, Gibson, Spielberg, Ridley Scott, and the aforementioned Cruise, are but a few who have had highs and lows, but kept on going, churning out many a gem amongst the rocks throughout their (still going) careers. No reason whatsoever that Arnold and Stallone can't do the same.
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2:41PM on 02/05/2013
Consider the state of movie stardom. Even big-ticket names like Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt had bombs last year. The name is not enough. Schwarzenegger and Stallone weren't actors in movies, they WERE the movies. The reason Bruce Willis has done better is, in part, he's younger, and also he's always working, so for every five flops he has there's a modest hit in a three-year time-span. He can also play in ensemble movies without looking out-of-place.

The other thing is that '80s action movies
Consider the state of movie stardom. Even big-ticket names like Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt had bombs last year. The name is not enough. Schwarzenegger and Stallone weren't actors in movies, they WERE the movies. The reason Bruce Willis has done better is, in part, he's younger, and also he's always working, so for every five flops he has there's a modest hit in a three-year time-span. He can also play in ensemble movies without looking out-of-place.

The other thing is that '80s action movies are of a type that basically didn't exist prior to then, and just about died out with 9/11, when Americans couldn't just laugh off terrorists like we could in True Lies. Now, there is more of a push in recent years to move away from the queasy-cam fight sequences in movies like Haywire and Hanna, but that doesn't necessarily mean that audiences are waiting in the wings for these two former titans the way they used to. The Expendables is an exception, since it's a huge meta franchise built around the personas these action guys crafted over years. But it seems every time something new and promising comes out in the action genre, it is either under-marketed, or real-world politics gets in the way.
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3:01PM on 02/05/2013
I mostly agree with you @Hoyle. I don't think there's a line of people waiting for either for these guys' films anymore, so it will take them making a splash to draw in the people who've barely heard of them. Arnold on Terminator or Conan is a smart move. Stallone sticking with Expendables or even another Rambo would be best. That doesn't mean they can't do other projects, like they already have in the wings, but they need to storm the beach before they take it. That's not going to happen
I mostly agree with you @Hoyle. I don't think there's a line of people waiting for either for these guys' films anymore, so it will take them making a splash to draw in the people who've barely heard of them. Arnold on Terminator or Conan is a smart move. Stallone sticking with Expendables or even another Rambo would be best. That doesn't mean they can't do other projects, like they already have in the wings, but they need to storm the beach before they take it. That's not going to happen with mindless "fun" movies like The Last Stand and Bullet to the Head.

I firmly believe these guys have it in them to recapture their former glory, but it will take a reality check. They need to adapt a little bit. Think about the new Fast and Furious Six trailer. High-speed, high-energy, carnage-filled coolness that sucks you in. It's the same kind of feeling I used to get for these guys in their hey day. Both Arnie and Stallone need to bridge the gap between the old-school and the new-school, while still pursuing projects that they love, which in turn, will hopefully show onscreen.

I think they both realize this and that these first two "standalone" actioners were a mild amusement or a mediocre appetizer to what lies ahead. They haven't lasted this long on fumes alone and I don't think they'll go out that way, either. Ultimately, we'll just have to wait and see...
2:31PM on 02/05/2013

One more thing....

I don't think the action movies of the 80's are completely dead. In the sense of the real life cop/soldier/spy type of action movies of the 80's are completely dead. Sure the game is dominated by Superhero flicks these days, but I think there's still room for the real-life type of action movies. The audience just wants more sensibility to the script, if you're going to base your movie in real-life, than you should be using real-life logic. Not some half-brained idea to string plot points
I don't think the action movies of the 80's are completely dead. In the sense of the real life cop/soldier/spy type of action movies of the 80's are completely dead. Sure the game is dominated by Superhero flicks these days, but I think there's still room for the real-life type of action movies. The audience just wants more sensibility to the script, if you're going to base your movie in real-life, than you should be using real-life logic. Not some half-brained idea to string plot points together for no reason. You look back at the 80's and a lot of those scripts didn't make a ton of sense and most of the explanatory scenes just served as a method to move into another crazy action sequence.
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2:27PM on 02/05/2013

They're not done yet....

I still have faith that these guys will bounce back. Arnold's mistake is that he went low-budget for his first flick back when he should have gone big, play to his strengths. Even now that he's older there are still starring roles he can play that will garner the big budget action flick caliber. I think if he took roles that were much in the vein of True Lies he would be on the right track. And "Ten" looks to be doing that, so I have faith in him.
Sly on the other hand, not so much. I
I still have faith that these guys will bounce back. Arnold's mistake is that he went low-budget for his first flick back when he should have gone big, play to his strengths. Even now that he's older there are still starring roles he can play that will garner the big budget action flick caliber. I think if he took roles that were much in the vein of True Lies he would be on the right track. And "Ten" looks to be doing that, so I have faith in him.
Sly on the other hand, not so much. I think his ego has completely gotten away from him and he's more interested in trying to be the star than trying to make a decent flick. The Expendables franchise is by no means great, they're "OK" movies that are very gimmicky (especially since it's all about trying to get an 80's action star for a cameo). The movies serve more as a really great guilty pleasure you don't mind telling your friends about. Unfortunately I think his time has past where he can play the roles that are really meant for a 30 something to play. And if what happened with Tom Jane in Bullet to the Head is any indicator, he really can't hold his own against today's action heroes on camera.
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2:18PM on 02/05/2013

I still have a lot of faith in the both of them

This doesnt mean anything, everybody knew a long time ago bullit in the head wasnt going to be a good movie, and it isnt Stallone's comeback movie, he has proven with his last few movies he's already back and here to stay for a while.
Regarding the last stand maybe people are a bit hesitant to see if schwarzenegger still has the power, his next movie will do a lot better. By the way both movies will do a lot better in the rest of the world and on dvd/bluray i'm sure they'll make a lot of
This doesnt mean anything, everybody knew a long time ago bullit in the head wasnt going to be a good movie, and it isnt Stallone's comeback movie, he has proven with his last few movies he's already back and here to stay for a while.
Regarding the last stand maybe people are a bit hesitant to see if schwarzenegger still has the power, his next movie will do a lot better. By the way both movies will do a lot better in the rest of the world and on dvd/bluray i'm sure they'll make a lot of money.

It would be cool though if Cameron worked with Schwarzenegger again and maybe Stallone making a sequel to clifhanger(with rooker) and demolition man.
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1:22PM on 02/05/2013

They're getting older and so is their audience.

I personally don't get what everybody's boggle is. I loved The Last Stand. Action packed, funny, gory and kinetically shot with Arnold playing his age. As for Bullet in the Head, it wasn't as good or well done but was still an entertaining cookie-cutter throwback buddy flick. I think audiences are changing. Guys who grew up on Sly and Arnold are older, have families, stayed home and are waiting for the Blu-Ray. The new generation don't know them as well, prefers a different kind of action film
I personally don't get what everybody's boggle is. I loved The Last Stand. Action packed, funny, gory and kinetically shot with Arnold playing his age. As for Bullet in the Head, it wasn't as good or well done but was still an entertaining cookie-cutter throwback buddy flick. I think audiences are changing. Guys who grew up on Sly and Arnold are older, have families, stayed home and are waiting for the Blu-Ray. The new generation don't know them as well, prefers a different kind of action film (really big with lots of CGI and over the top set pieces a la new Die Hard) with a different kind of action (Super?) hero doing the wam-bam doo. I have no facts to back this up, just my theory from what I hear and what I am told, I could be DEAD wrong. I'll personally always support the films Sly and Arnold do.
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8:33PM on 02/06/2013
The staying home thing is totally spot on. My dad won't go to the cinema anymore but these movies are all he talks about.
The staying home thing is totally spot on. My dad won't go to the cinema anymore but these movies are all he talks about.
1:08PM on 02/05/2013

Feel sad for the lads

Now, I haven't seen "Bullet to the head" but from what I heard it sounds atrocious.
But like Mr Shirey says, both "Ten" and "the Tomb" sounds so much more interesting than "Stand" and "Bullet" ever did.
But if they are to fall back on earlier franchises please give us "Tango & Cash 2:Money talks bullshit walks".
Now, I haven't seen "Bullet to the head" but from what I heard it sounds atrocious.
But like Mr Shirey says, both "Ten" and "the Tomb" sounds so much more interesting than "Stand" and "Bullet" ever did.
But if they are to fall back on earlier franchises please give us "Tango & Cash 2:Money talks bullshit walks".
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12:48PM on 02/05/2013

Amen!

To all that you said on your post, it's all true. Arnold just need to hurry up and make KING CONAN, it's the one film that will save his career, and he should make Stallone and Lungdren Barbarians on said picture! And it should be directed and written by Oliver Stone!
To all that you said on your post, it's all true. Arnold just need to hurry up and make KING CONAN, it's the one film that will save his career, and he should make Stallone and Lungdren Barbarians on said picture! And it should be directed and written by Oliver Stone!
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12:43PM on 02/05/2013
Schwarzenegger needs James Cameron, Stallone needs to just go away. Neither one is a draw anymore, the only good acting Arnie ever really did was when he pretended to Gov of California.
Schwarzenegger needs James Cameron, Stallone needs to just go away. Neither one is a draw anymore, the only good acting Arnie ever really did was when he pretended to Gov of California.
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12:28PM on 02/05/2013
They can't open movies themselves anymore. They need high concepts and established brands. Thankfully...both of these guys have established brands to fall back to.
They can't open movies themselves anymore. They need high concepts and established brands. Thankfully...both of these guys have established brands to fall back to.
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11:55AM on 02/05/2013
Their careers aren't over.
Their careers aren't over.
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11:45AM on 02/05/2013
Both guys are best with hi-octane, big budget, good concept movies with a good supporting cast (True Lies, T2, Demo Man, even Expendables). Theres none of that in a story of a small town sheriff and a.... well, Im sorry but I dont know what Bullett in the Head was about
Both guys are best with hi-octane, big budget, good concept movies with a good supporting cast (True Lies, T2, Demo Man, even Expendables). Theres none of that in a story of a small town sheriff and a.... well, Im sorry but I dont know what Bullett in the Head was about
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11:12AM on 02/05/2013
I think the main reason for Arnold and Sly's movie flops is, like ElderPredator said, meh marketing. Pretty much bad marketing over all. Besides, their movies should be Summer Movies. They shouldn't release it this time of year. As for Bruce Willis, I'm sure "A Good Day To Die Hard" will succeed because, well, it's a Die Hard movie.
I think the main reason for Arnold and Sly's movie flops is, like ElderPredator said, meh marketing. Pretty much bad marketing over all. Besides, their movies should be Summer Movies. They shouldn't release it this time of year. As for Bruce Willis, I'm sure "A Good Day To Die Hard" will succeed because, well, it's a Die Hard movie.
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10:59AM on 02/05/2013
I've already expressed my thoughts on The Last Stand being a very poor choice by Arnold. Just about to head to a screening of Bullet to the Head, but I'm guessing the biggest problem (apart from the terrible title) is Stallone's ego. Unless I'm mistaken it started life as a Wayne Kramer film, and Stallone said in a press interview something about not liking what the original director was doing with it. Then a strong co-star in Thomas Jane was dropped in favour of a guy who wouldn't steal any
I've already expressed my thoughts on The Last Stand being a very poor choice by Arnold. Just about to head to a screening of Bullet to the Head, but I'm guessing the biggest problem (apart from the terrible title) is Stallone's ego. Unless I'm mistaken it started life as a Wayne Kramer film, and Stallone said in a press interview something about not liking what the original director was doing with it. Then a strong co-star in Thomas Jane was dropped in favour of a guy who wouldn't steal any of Stallone's thunder... but, maybe I'll change my opinion after seeing it. Hope so!
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2:48PM on 02/05/2013
It was widely reported that Joel Silver axed Jane's involvement. Jane has said that Kramer's film was going to be a LOT more violent, and he actually was the one who suggested Walter Hill. Then Silver came and told 'em they needed to make the team one white guy, one whatever other skin color guy. Because it was a proven formula for him. Sigh.
It was widely reported that Joel Silver axed Jane's involvement. Jane has said that Kramer's film was going to be a LOT more violent, and he actually was the one who suggested Walter Hill. Then Silver came and told 'em they needed to make the team one white guy, one whatever other skin color guy. Because it was a proven formula for him. Sigh.
10:58AM on 02/05/2013

It's Subtle

Bullet to the Head was doomed to fail when they kicked Tom Jane to the curb and replaced him with Sung Kang. It doesn't help that even the most ardent apologists couldn't support it.

The Last Stand wasn't a true Ahnuld movie. When Luis Guzman is the best thing in your film, you've got serious problems.
They need to be more selective. They'll get their true come backs this way. The Tomb looks and sounds awesome by any standard and I trust David Ayer, so I think they'll be fine.
Bullet to the Head was doomed to fail when they kicked Tom Jane to the curb and replaced him with Sung Kang. It doesn't help that even the most ardent apologists couldn't support it.

The Last Stand wasn't a true Ahnuld movie. When Luis Guzman is the best thing in your film, you've got serious problems.
They need to be more selective. They'll get their true come backs this way. The Tomb looks and sounds awesome by any standard and I trust David Ayer, so I think they'll be fine.
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10:48AM on 02/05/2013
Sure they can, the movies were flops cause of the shitty time of year, meh marketing and whatever else. Hugely excited for all the work they have coming. EXPENDABLES alone proves that nobody is sick of these guys.
Sure they can, the movies were flops cause of the shitty time of year, meh marketing and whatever else. Hugely excited for all the work they have coming. EXPENDABLES alone proves that nobody is sick of these guys.
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2:43PM on 02/05/2013
I think Expendables is a success because of the sheer number of icons in them, and the meta way they pay tribute to these guys' already-established movie personas.
I think Expendables is a success because of the sheer number of icons in them, and the meta way they pay tribute to these guys' already-established movie personas.