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Jul. 6, 2011by:

By now, the smoke has cleared after the debacle that was GREEN LANTERN, and Iíve no doubt DC Entertainment and Warner Bros., are trying to figure out their next move. So far, they havenít formally announced whether or not GREEN LANTERN will be getting a follow-up, but considering the lackluster box office (while the North American box-office is merely a disappointing $100 million, the overseas take is a disastrous $34 million), I wouldnít hold my breath. The most GREEN LANTERN fans can hope for at this point would be a reboot in a few years, which seems like a more likely scenario than a sequel to an out-and-out flop.

For my money, one of the biggest mistakes DC and Warners made with GREEN LANTERN (and they made MANY), was the fact that they tried to go the Marvel route of hiring a journeyman director to launch a franchise that seems designed towards an endgame of making a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie, just like Marvel did with THE AVENGERS. That idea has certainly paid off for Marvel, but the reason is that as a company, they have a precise vision as to how their properties should translate to the silver screen.

DC does not seem to have that vision.

GREEN LANTERN has not been their only flop. Letís not forget THE LOSERS, or last yearís JONAH HEX, which makes GREEN LANTERN look like a blockbuster by comparison. Thereís also that ill-conceived WONDER WOMAN TV show, which will likely never see the light of day, and- had it actually reached the airwaves, might have killed that prospective franchise.

At the same time, DCís also been home to the biggest and best superhero franchise of them all- the Christopher Nolan BATMAN series. Rather than a film made by committee (as good as the Marvel films are, thatís what they are and that approach works for them), the BATMAN films were the vision of a strong director, and as such, has not only made the studio billions, but has also give the superhero genre real critical legitimacy.

So why did DC not continue down that road? Why chose a guy like Martin Campbell, whoís perfectly good directing a Bond film (which remain the vision of the Broccoli family, regardless of whoís directing), but doesnít really have a great track record unless working with top producers, such as Steven Spielberg on THE MASK OF ZORRO. Heís a journeyman and while thereís nothing wrong with that, GREEN LANTERN needed someone with passion.

Imagine what a guy like Edgar Wright could have done with GREEN LANTERN? Or Joe Wright (HANNA)? How about the Hughes Brothers, who, I thought, did a more than credible job with THE BOOK OF ELI. How about Duncan Jones? All that was needed was someone behind the camera with some flair, and imagination.

Luckily, this lesson may not be completely lost of DC. Like him or loathe him (I float between the two), Zack Snyder is the choice to do THE MAN OF STEEL (under Nolanís stewardship), and while itís too early to tell whether itíll be a good film, at least it will either be aggressively good, or aggressively bad, with no middle ground. For my money, an ambitious attempt that falls flat, such as SUCKER PUNCH, trumps the mediocrity or GREEN LANTERN.

Extra Tidbit: No offense to Jon Favreau, Kenneth Branagh, or Joe Johnston by classifying them as journeymen. Favreau on the first IRON MAN was exactly the kind of director DC needs, and COWBOYS VS. ALIENS will take him to another class altogether. Branagh's also great, but I doubt even he would claim THOR was a passion project.
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8:22AM on 07/06/2011
I think that you make a good point. I'd also comment that, DC's pantheon of heroes mimics the gods and goddesses of ancient mythologies while Marvel's own collection of superheroes revolves more around ordinary people thrust in to extraordinary circumstances. I think that, for whatever reason, this helps in the development process, and I think that proof of this is that the Nolan-helmed Batman franchise has done so well.

Bruce Wayne is a normal guy who has taken his training to absurd
I think that you make a good point. I'd also comment that, DC's pantheon of heroes mimics the gods and goddesses of ancient mythologies while Marvel's own collection of superheroes revolves more around ordinary people thrust in to extraordinary circumstances. I think that, for whatever reason, this helps in the development process, and I think that proof of this is that the Nolan-helmed Batman franchise has done so well.

Bruce Wayne is a normal guy who has taken his training to absurd levels, but there is still a type of verisimilitude that is achieved with heroes of this ilk; an better connection is achieved with the audience when they can see the superhero as "more realistic".

DC had their chance to do this with Green Lantern but they chose to focus on Oa entirely too much. I think it would have been a stronger story if they had strayed from the mythos just for a bit, kept Hal on Earth to fight a villain and then, at the end, have the Corps come and find him.

I think that, as Marvel branches out in to their own universe and starts relying on some of their own heroes and villains that mimic gods - or are gods (Thor) - they'll have the same issues to contend with. Does anybody really have a dying need to see Thanos and the infinity gauntlet in the Avengers?
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2:51PM on 07/06/2011
They "focused on Oa too much". Um, maybe I saw a different version of the movie than you, but there was maybe 10 minutes worth of Oa in the entire thing (I'd wager less). I am baffled by what you mean by this.

Outside of that, do you think "Thor" was able to get around these issues? I am simply curious if you though so or not.
They "focused on Oa too much". Um, maybe I saw a different version of the movie than you, but there was maybe 10 minutes worth of Oa in the entire thing (I'd wager less). I am baffled by what you mean by this.

Outside of that, do you think "Thor" was able to get around these issues? I am simply curious if you though so or not.
8:38AM on 07/06/2011

MerchandiSing, sir!

Although it was a critical and financial disappointment; the toys, video games, underoos, DVD sales and your mom's collection of Kilowog and Sinestro vibrators is what will determine GL2's fate. A flopóindeed, but WB can't be set back another 5 years. With the Harry Potter franchise ending, WB is desperate to fill that spot. They have a roster of DC characters at their disposal. Unfortunately GL is probably the strongest of the bunch outside of Superman and Batman. Flash? Wonder Woman? No
Although it was a critical and financial disappointment; the toys, video games, underoos, DVD sales and your mom's collection of Kilowog and Sinestro vibrators is what will determine GL2's fate. A flopóindeed, but WB can't be set back another 5 years. With the Harry Potter franchise ending, WB is desperate to fill that spot. They have a roster of DC characters at their disposal. Unfortunately GL is probably the strongest of the bunch outside of Superman and Batman. Flash? Wonder Woman? No thanks. Final verdict- Justice League first then spinoffs. Introduce the public to these characters in an ensemble piece then determine who can carry a film on their own. No matter how you spin it-- your dad's one dimensional DC heroes like Hawkman and Aquaman will never be as universally appealing as Iron Man or Spiderman. Good day.
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2:53PM on 07/06/2011
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but while merchandising does help, it is the movie's BO take and reception that ultimately decide such things.
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but while merchandising does help, it is the movie's BO take and reception that ultimately decide such things.
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8:45AM on 07/06/2011

heh

DC has never known what to do with their charaters half the time. Regardless of the medium they're presented in. In comics they've had to do huge retcons for things to make sense. Most movies fall flat for what ever reason. The horrible DC vs Mortal Kombat video game was made pointless when DC said that their charaters cant participate in an Fatalities. Hell i remember back in the 90's when DC got their panties in a bunch cause of how they were being portraied in Wizard and Toy Fare
DC has never known what to do with their charaters half the time. Regardless of the medium they're presented in. In comics they've had to do huge retcons for things to make sense. Most movies fall flat for what ever reason. The horrible DC vs Mortal Kombat video game was made pointless when DC said that their charaters cant participate in an Fatalities. Hell i remember back in the 90's when DC got their panties in a bunch cause of how they were being portraied in Wizard and Toy Fare magazines.

Meanwhile Marvel hasn't had this much trouble, for some reason. As much as i dispise Jeo Quesada (Marvel CEO) for something of the things he's done at Marvel over the years i've only ever heard bad things about Dan DiDio (DC CEO).
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10:04AM on 07/06/2011
It has it's moments but that has more to do with the brilliance that is Bruce Timm then DC in general. Batman TAS was dope.
It has it's moments but that has more to do with the brilliance that is Bruce Timm then DC in general. Batman TAS was dope.
9:42AM on 07/06/2011
I disagree. The DCAU is brilliant.
I disagree. The DCAU is brilliant.
8:58AM on 07/06/2011
Green Lantern wasn't that bad and I actually liked The Losers quite a bit. DC does really well with their animated films so upping their game isn't the answer. They have the capabilities just for some reason they seem to jump the gun sometimes.
Green Lantern wasn't that bad and I actually liked The Losers quite a bit. DC does really well with their animated films so upping their game isn't the answer. They have the capabilities just for some reason they seem to jump the gun sometimes.
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2:56PM on 07/06/2011
Isn't that what "upping their game" means? They have the ability (I do agree, their animated films are mostly pretty good) to do well made and entertaining movies, but for their major blockbuster fare, they choose to play it safe. How shouldn't they be upping their game?
Isn't that what "upping their game" means? They have the ability (I do agree, their animated films are mostly pretty good) to do well made and entertaining movies, but for their major blockbuster fare, they choose to play it safe. How shouldn't they be upping their game?
9:11AM on 07/06/2011

Start smaller

They should make Flash and Wonder Woman solo-movies next and keep the budget as small as possible. Their goal for the movies should be to make a good movie and establishe the characters and not build the new blockbuster franchise.

DC characters have a lot of potential (for example the Wonder Woman animated movie and that praised WWII-script), they just need to choose the right people for the job who care for the characters and their myth. Then, even an Aquaman movie could work and with
They should make Flash and Wonder Woman solo-movies next and keep the budget as small as possible. Their goal for the movies should be to make a good movie and establishe the characters and not build the new blockbuster franchise.

DC characters have a lot of potential (for example the Wonder Woman animated movie and that praised WWII-script), they just need to choose the right people for the job who care for the characters and their myth. Then, even an Aquaman movie could work and with another director GL2 could turn out so much better...
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9:14AM on 07/06/2011
I haven't seen Green Lantern yet, but I did see Marvels' Thor and I thought Kenneth Branagh did a very good job with a kinda "meh" hero. So I agree with your point, you need a good director with vision if you want to make something out of nothing. And let's face it, Green Lantern is a "meh" hero. He just doesn't have a compelling story & motivation.
I haven't seen Green Lantern yet, but I did see Marvels' Thor and I thought Kenneth Branagh did a very good job with a kinda "meh" hero. So I agree with your point, you need a good director with vision if you want to make something out of nothing. And let's face it, Green Lantern is a "meh" hero. He just doesn't have a compelling story & motivation.
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9:15AM on 07/06/2011

Vertigo is better

Vertigo, dc's sub division, has way better stories to tell than a lot of the dc superheroes. i would love if keanu went back to do another constantine (which did pretty good financially wise). Also, not every superhero is cut to be made into a movie.
Vertigo, dc's sub division, has way better stories to tell than a lot of the dc superheroes. i would love if keanu went back to do another constantine (which did pretty good financially wise). Also, not every superhero is cut to be made into a movie.
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9:18AM on 07/06/2011

Green lantern has potential

Green Lantern has potential.....I would look into making a serious sequel !

feel like DC's version of the [link] ! lol
Green Lantern has potential.....I would look into making a serious sequel !

feel like DC's version of the [link] ! lol
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9:25AM on 07/06/2011
Green Lantern wasn't the shit show critics are calling it and the new Batman films leave imposingly big shoes to fill. There's a middle ground to be found my DC they just need to take their time and not be threatened by all the Marvel films.
Green Lantern wasn't the shit show critics are calling it and the new Batman films leave imposingly big shoes to fill. There's a middle ground to be found my DC they just need to take their time and not be threatened by all the Marvel films.
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2:59PM on 07/06/2011
I disagree with GL not being terrible, but for everything else, I agree 100% entirely. Not every movie needs to be a Nolan Batman flick, nor do I want them to be.
I disagree with GL not being terrible, but for everything else, I agree 100% entirely. Not every movie needs to be a Nolan Batman flick, nor do I want them to be.
9:28AM on 07/06/2011

Not just a good director but the RIGHT director

I don't think you're right by qualifying Martin Campbell (or Favreau, or Branagh) as a journeyman. The Bond franchise was going nowhere before him and the only film after him wasn't nearly as good.

I think Campbell could've done much better with a more "reality-based" superhero (which is pretty much all of them).

As for Snyder, I'm not sure you're going to like an "aggressively bad" Superman movie if this is what we end up getting.
I don't think you're right by qualifying Martin Campbell (or Favreau, or Branagh) as a journeyman. The Bond franchise was going nowhere before him and the only film after him wasn't nearly as good.

I think Campbell could've done much better with a more "reality-based" superhero (which is pretty much all of them).

As for Snyder, I'm not sure you're going to like an "aggressively bad" Superman movie if this is what we end up getting.
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2:47PM on 07/06/2011
QoS was good, imo. Also, don't forget that Campbell directed another great Bond film, "Golen Eye" (is that one word?).

However, I do agree with you. The right director is what this needed, not just a good one (which Campbell usually is).
QoS was good, imo. Also, don't forget that Campbell directed another great Bond film, "Golen Eye" (is that one word?).

However, I do agree with you. The right director is what this needed, not just a good one (which Campbell usually is).
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9:38AM on 07/06/2011
They need to let Bruce Timm & Co. produce and write a live action film. They have been nothing but genius with the DCAU.

Green Lantern is no where near as bad as Jon Hex. The film is set up for a GREAT sequel. I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected because of the reviews. I really hope it gets a sequel.
They need to let Bruce Timm & Co. produce and write a live action film. They have been nothing but genius with the DCAU.

Green Lantern is no where near as bad as Jon Hex. The film is set up for a GREAT sequel. I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected because of the reviews. I really hope it gets a sequel.
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3:00PM on 07/06/2011
Yes, 'Jonah Hex' is a worse overall movie, but I enjoyed more because it fails so spectacularly that it's so-bad-it's-good. GL was so boring and visually vomit it hurt.
Yes, 'Jonah Hex' is a worse overall movie, but I enjoyed more because it fails so spectacularly that it's so-bad-it's-good. GL was so boring and visually vomit it hurt.
10:21AM on 07/06/2011
Wow, the overseas numbers are that low? Martin Campbell can direct action, but I had no sense of how he'd handle cgi. On top of that I didn't give a flip about Green Lantern. Batman Begins was halfway through when he donned to cape. The Marvel brand (Thor and Incredible Hulk aside) seems more interested in origins as well. The same was true of Spider-Man. I don't know what Green Lantern would be, or indeed what it was. But it seems the best super-hero movies (at least origins), are made
Wow, the overseas numbers are that low? Martin Campbell can direct action, but I had no sense of how he'd handle cgi. On top of that I didn't give a flip about Green Lantern. Batman Begins was halfway through when he donned to cape. The Marvel brand (Thor and Incredible Hulk aside) seems more interested in origins as well. The same was true of Spider-Man. I don't know what Green Lantern would be, or indeed what it was. But it seems the best super-hero movies (at least origins), are made interesting by what the hero goes through to become who they are. Then again, maybe I'm mistaking DC for Marvel, as most DC heroes are a bit more cut and dry than the Marvels. And so they might have the deck stacked against them, because what can seem exciting on the page is pretty boring on screen, when there's no dramatic edge.
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2:41PM on 07/06/2011
Well the DC heroes like Superman (alien) and Green Lantern (got his power from an alien) are not easy to relate to. Batman is a vigilante, he's been easy to relate to. Wonder Woman, some daughter of a goddess or something. I dunno, but most Marvel heroes seem easier to relate to. The X-men represent racism, Spider-man, the anti-bully, Captain America patriotism and bravery, Iron Man, ingenuity. Marvel seems to get big concepts right, and that translates to film IMO.
Well the DC heroes like Superman (alien) and Green Lantern (got his power from an alien) are not easy to relate to. Batman is a vigilante, he's been easy to relate to. Wonder Woman, some daughter of a goddess or something. I dunno, but most Marvel heroes seem easier to relate to. The X-men represent racism, Spider-man, the anti-bully, Captain America patriotism and bravery, Iron Man, ingenuity. Marvel seems to get big concepts right, and that translates to film IMO.
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10:33AM on 07/06/2011

They need to get with it.

It's like they refuse to give fans what they want. Every year they bomb at ComicCon while Marvel steals the show. Here's what they need to do. Have Man of Steel be the first movie leading to The Justice League. Then once Nolan's Batman films are done, recast, and start a new trilogy leading to JL. Then fill in the films as they go. It's going to take 5-6 years to get the JL going, but that is what it's going to take. I've heard they want to have a JL movie with different actors..... Really, 2
It's like they refuse to give fans what they want. Every year they bomb at ComicCon while Marvel steals the show. Here's what they need to do. Have Man of Steel be the first movie leading to The Justice League. Then once Nolan's Batman films are done, recast, and start a new trilogy leading to JL. Then fill in the films as they go. It's going to take 5-6 years to get the JL going, but that is what it's going to take. I've heard they want to have a JL movie with different actors..... Really, 2 Supermans, 2 Batmans....that's dumb. DC/Warner Bros. need some serious brainstorming sessions.
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10:38AM on 07/06/2011
Even a lot of the marvel movies are mediocre. I LOATHE the "Spider-Man" films. They were great when I was twelve when the first one came out, but looking back, my god they are bad. I think the biggest problem for DC is that Marvel has a lot of well known superheroes. DC has...two, MAYBE three. Whatever the case, they all pale in comparison to "Batman Begins", and "The Dark Knight".
Even a lot of the marvel movies are mediocre. I LOATHE the "Spider-Man" films. They were great when I was twelve when the first one came out, but looking back, my god they are bad. I think the biggest problem for DC is that Marvel has a lot of well known superheroes. DC has...two, MAYBE three. Whatever the case, they all pale in comparison to "Batman Begins", and "The Dark Knight".
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3:03PM on 07/06/2011
The first 2 "Spider-Man" movies trump either of Nolan's "Batman" films any day of the week. "Spidey 2" is still great, and the best superhero movie to date.
The first 2 "Spider-Man" movies trump either of Nolan's "Batman" films any day of the week. "Spidey 2" is still great, and the best superhero movie to date.
10:41AM on 07/06/2011

Guffaw

What, GL wasn't already trying to trick viewers into thinking it WAS a Marvel film? Nice theft of the intro Marvel Logo, DC. Enjoy the 52 new #1s as they collect dust on the shelf.
What, GL wasn't already trying to trick viewers into thinking it WAS a Marvel film? Nice theft of the intro Marvel Logo, DC. Enjoy the 52 new #1s as they collect dust on the shelf.
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6:37PM on 07/06/2011
Dc has been using that logo for YEARS...at least 7.
Dc has been using that logo for YEARS...at least 7.
10:45AM on 07/06/2011

a new hope

My 2 cents: Use the best heroes (Supes/Batman) and introduce the Flashes and GL and Aquaman in the style of Brave and Bold. Have them onscreen with the big guns and see what happens.
My 2 cents: Use the best heroes (Supes/Batman) and introduce the Flashes and GL and Aquaman in the style of Brave and Bold. Have them onscreen with the big guns and see what happens.
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12:19PM on 07/06/2011
That's actually a good idea.
That's actually a good idea.
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10:53AM on 07/06/2011
DC is in a state of flux right now. They are rebooting 52 comics back to issue #1ís in September, Nolan is directing his final Batman film, the rights to many parts of the Superman mythos are about to revert back to the Siegel & Shuster estates and their latest motion picture offering tanked big time. They appointed Geoff Johns (the man responsible for making Green Lantern and Flash relevant names in comics again) as head of DC TV & Film. If Green Lantern was his coming out party, he just
DC is in a state of flux right now. They are rebooting 52 comics back to issue #1ís in September, Nolan is directing his final Batman film, the rights to many parts of the Superman mythos are about to revert back to the Siegel & Shuster estates and their latest motion picture offering tanked big time. They appointed Geoff Johns (the man responsible for making Green Lantern and Flash relevant names in comics again) as head of DC TV & Film. If Green Lantern was his coming out party, he just shit the bed.

Personally, I was 50/50 on GL after seeing it. I went back and saw it again, and I felt even more disappointed. I would definitely welcome a sequel, but it would need to be a reboot/sequel (ala Nortonís ďThe Incredible HulkĒ). And that sucks to say because Mark Strong is a pitch-perfect Sinestro and the designs for Oa and the rest of the GL Corp were excellent. But Reynolds is playing the wrong character in the DC Universe (Flash), Blake Lively is as miscast as Bosworth playing Lois Lane was and the Earth scenes just slowed the whole movie down.

I never saw the "obvious from the jump," high speed train wreck that was Jonah Hex, but I did like The Losers and RED (Summit has the rights, but itís still a DC property). There are great movies to be made based on DC characters, but the people running the show are dropping the ball on almost anything not named Batman. Superman, my favorite character since I was little, is in a wait and see mode with Zach Snyder at the helm. Flash, Wonder Woman and Green Arrow need to be pushed with decent budgets ($80 million should suffice) and solid scripts. Take that Supermax script that was floating around with Green Arrow and start introducing villains into the films who arenít named Luthor, Joker or Zod.

There can be a lot of exciting movies on the way if DC starts taking this stuff seriously. Johns has had clear missteps in his short time at the helm of TV & Film (GL bomb, WW tv series not catching on), but I hope he can see what went wrong and how he can go about fixing it.
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11:35AM on 07/06/2011

Great commentary, but

I would add that DC's direct-to-DVD animated films have been head and shoulders above Marvel's offerings. Perhaps DC should see what they got right with those movies and apply them to the live-action flicks. Bruce Timm as producer sounds like a good idea; also adapting some of the more beloved comic book arcs as well.
I would add that DC's direct-to-DVD animated films have been head and shoulders above Marvel's offerings. Perhaps DC should see what they got right with those movies and apply them to the live-action flicks. Bruce Timm as producer sounds like a good idea; also adapting some of the more beloved comic book arcs as well.
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11:36AM on 07/06/2011
Seriously if you stop and think about it when you talk to non comic readers, when it comes to DC the only two widely known characters are Batman and Superman. When you talk Marvel everyone knows Wolverine,Spiderman, Capt America Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk. Its just a result of years of saturation on the culture. Marvel characters are more widely known than DC. That's why DC without Supes and Batman is a bust.
Most people aren't going to flock to a superhero movie they know very little
Seriously if you stop and think about it when you talk to non comic readers, when it comes to DC the only two widely known characters are Batman and Superman. When you talk Marvel everyone knows Wolverine,Spiderman, Capt America Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk. Its just a result of years of saturation on the culture. Marvel characters are more widely known than DC. That's why DC without Supes and Batman is a bust.
Most people aren't going to flock to a superhero movie they know very little about. Green Lantern is not an A grade superhero, neither is Flash or Wonder Woman, these characters will need to be fleshed out by great story tellers to become accepted and do well on the big screen.
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3:32PM on 07/06/2011
@JimmyArrow: Yeah, you are right about X-Men/ Wolverine.

@John Matrix: Wonder Woman's popularity among the general public is huge and still bigger than Iron Man. She is an american icon and has inspired people and especially women over decades! The Lynda Carter TV show is a classic and the character gets so many pop-culture references (for example Bones, The OC and The Big Bang Theory all had their lead actresses dressed as her).
And when she got pants, the interesd of the media was insane and
@JimmyArrow: Yeah, you are right about X-Men/ Wolverine.

@John Matrix: Wonder Woman's popularity among the general public is huge and still bigger than Iron Man. She is an american icon and has inspired people and especially women over decades! The Lynda Carter TV show is a classic and the character gets so many pop-culture references (for example Bones, The OC and The Big Bang Theory all had their lead actresses dressed as her).
And when she got pants, the interesd of the media was insane and the story was covered everywhere! You wouldn't had that if she wasn't poular among the general public...
3:12PM on 07/06/2011
Wonder Woman is an A-lister, and Iron man, until the movies, was not. However, they do need great storytellers, desperately it seems.
Wonder Woman is an A-lister, and Iron man, until the movies, was not. However, they do need great storytellers, desperately it seems.
2:55PM on 07/06/2011
Wonder Woman is and isn't an A list character. She is in the comic book "community" but is NOT for the everyday people who do not know anything about comic books. The same way Iron Man is an A lister in comics but wasn't in "general" before his movies. Now WAY more people know who Iron Man is than Wonder Woman, Flash or Green Lantern.
Wonder Woman is and isn't an A list character. She is in the comic book "community" but is NOT for the everyday people who do not know anything about comic books. The same way Iron Man is an A lister in comics but wasn't in "general" before his movies. Now WAY more people know who Iron Man is than Wonder Woman, Flash or Green Lantern.
2:34PM on 07/06/2011
I agree with Green-Ghost. I would also add that Wolverine and the X-Men were popular among comic fans but completely unknown to the general public.

A good movie can be a hit even with an unknown character.
I agree with Green-Ghost. I would also add that Wolverine and the X-Men were popular among comic fans but completely unknown to the general public.

A good movie can be a hit even with an unknown character.
12:51PM on 07/06/2011
Wonder Woman is the most popular female hero and also an icon for many women. She is an A-list character and has a huge recognition value among non-comic fans.

Iron Man only became popular because of the movies, before that most people didn't knew him.
Wonder Woman is the most popular female hero and also an icon for many women. She is an A-list character and has a huge recognition value among non-comic fans.

Iron Man only became popular because of the movies, before that most people didn't knew him.
11:57AM on 07/06/2011
It is way passed DC's time to step up. Jonah Hex and Green Lantern were supposed to be a belated "step-up" but man, they were dissapointing. Which is killer for GL which seemed to have all the pieces of a good flick just couldnt put them together. If those 2 movies came out around Blade/X-Men they might be better received (and Hex may have gone for he R). But when The Dark Knight and Iron Man set the bar high for two possible types of superhero flicks (gritty melodrama and whimsical adventure),
It is way passed DC's time to step up. Jonah Hex and Green Lantern were supposed to be a belated "step-up" but man, they were dissapointing. Which is killer for GL which seemed to have all the pieces of a good flick just couldnt put them together. If those 2 movies came out around Blade/X-Men they might be better received (and Hex may have gone for he R). But when The Dark Knight and Iron Man set the bar high for two possible types of superhero flicks (gritty melodrama and whimsical adventure), you can't aim for the middle and hope you reach the top, especially when First Class comes out the same year and surprises everyone.
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12:03PM on 07/06/2011
I really hope Nicholas Winding Refn gets to direct Wonder Woman, the fact that he's a unique director and has a passion for the project should make him a good choice. I mean, audiences want a good movie.
I really hope Nicholas Winding Refn gets to direct Wonder Woman, the fact that he's a unique director and has a passion for the project should make him a good choice. I mean, audiences want a good movie.
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12:06PM on 07/06/2011
So the problem was excellent direction of a shitty script written by 16 people, not the shitty script. I see what you're saying, but not every comic movie needs to use the Nolan formula. The work can be split up between great directors and great screen writers.
So the problem was excellent direction of a shitty script written by 16 people, not the shitty script. I see what you're saying, but not every comic movie needs to use the Nolan formula. The work can be split up between great directors and great screen writers.
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10:54AM on 07/07/2011
Look, man: I appreciate that you're really upset about this, but you don't need to write me poetry like that second paragraph. Save that stuff for publishers.

Not all directors have Bay's stature; there are directors who get scripts they can't change and editors who save lackluster direction. Having influence doesn't mean being primarily responsible.

As for shutting my mouth, the jokes on you: I TYPED THIS WHOLE THING ON A KEYBOARD! (BURN)
Look, man: I appreciate that you're really upset about this, but you don't need to write me poetry like that second paragraph. Save that stuff for publishers.

Not all directors have Bay's stature; there are directors who get scripts they can't change and editors who save lackluster direction. Having influence doesn't mean being primarily responsible.

As for shutting my mouth, the jokes on you: I TYPED THIS WHOLE THING ON A KEYBOARD! (BURN)
11:00PM on 07/06/2011
So, if I am understanding you properly, a director simply tells the actors where to move on set and how to move the camera? They have no influence on the editing of the movie, the music, or anything like that.

My dear god, you apparently know so little about how films are made it's somewhat hilarious and so fucking pathetic at the same time, I am not sure if I should just laugh at you, or buy you a book about how to make movies and pity you.

There is a reason that it makes the news when a
So, if I am understanding you properly, a director simply tells the actors where to move on set and how to move the camera? They have no influence on the editing of the movie, the music, or anything like that.

My dear god, you apparently know so little about how films are made it's somewhat hilarious and so fucking pathetic at the same time, I am not sure if I should just laugh at you, or buy you a book about how to make movies and pity you.

There is a reason that it makes the news when a director is shut out of the editing process and the stuios take charge- that's a somewhat rare occurence. Yes, the studio and director collobrate, and have a say, but usually that's all. It's called having "final cut" for a reason.

For reference of a director directly altering the script, please see Michael Bay and "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen". The characters of Skids and Mudflap weren't in the script. Those were additions made by-gasp- holy fucking shit, the director.

Please learn how movies are made, then we can continue this, but until you know a goddamn thing, keep your mouth shut.
6:36PM on 07/06/2011
Directors don't influence pacing as much as writers and editors, and if you're talking about the effects, that's not really him either. Campbell's framing and movement through the visuals was solid though - clean and easy to process. The only one I'll give you is keeping Sarsgard away from unintentional hilarity.
Directors don't influence pacing as much as writers and editors, and if you're talking about the effects, that's not really him either. Campbell's framing and movement through the visuals was solid though - clean and easy to process. The only one I'll give you is keeping Sarsgard away from unintentional hilarity.
3:14PM on 07/06/2011
It wasn't all that well directed either. Campbell dropped the ball on pacing, visuals, and get anything aside from hilarity out of the usually amazing Sargaard.
It wasn't all that well directed either. Campbell dropped the ball on pacing, visuals, and get anything aside from hilarity out of the usually amazing Sargaard.
12:16PM on 07/06/2011
Personally I think Marvel knows what direction they're taking and they're going fast. As for DC, they're good at their animated features including short series like Green Arrow and The Spectre. DC has a lot of ground to cover to keep up with Marvel. Maybe start with better TV series (the first few seasons of Smallville were good).
Personally I think Marvel knows what direction they're taking and they're going fast. As for DC, they're good at their animated features including short series like Green Arrow and The Spectre. DC has a lot of ground to cover to keep up with Marvel. Maybe start with better TV series (the first few seasons of Smallville were good).
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12:20PM on 07/06/2011
Green Lantern 2 is already a go so idk wtf your talking about. And i think alot of schmoes on here and fanboys and general would disagree with you about green lantern.
Green Lantern 2 is already a go so idk wtf your talking about. And i think alot of schmoes on here and fanboys and general would disagree with you about green lantern.
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3:20PM on 07/06/2011
A) GL2 is not a go. It was simply the president of the company saying that they will go forward with one. That is not a real confirmation. It should also be noted that he clearly thought he had a good movie, so what does he know?

B) There is a steady stream of schmoes that liked the film, but by large and far, the film is falling into the "god awful" or "meh" camps, even amongst the more casual movie-goers.
A) GL2 is not a go. It was simply the president of the company saying that they will go forward with one. That is not a real confirmation. It should also be noted that he clearly thought he had a good movie, so what does he know?

B) There is a steady stream of schmoes that liked the film, but by large and far, the film is falling into the "god awful" or "meh" camps, even amongst the more casual movie-goers.
2:50PM on 07/06/2011
Green Lantern 2 is NOT a go. DC/WB have announced that they we're planning a GL 2 movie in a move to try and take away from all the negative press the first one was/is getting.
Green Lantern 2 is NOT a go. DC/WB have announced that they we're planning a GL 2 movie in a move to try and take away from all the negative press the first one was/is getting.
2:08PM on 07/06/2011
From what I hear Bryan Singer's Superman Returns sequel is a go too! So is TRON 3!
From what I hear Bryan Singer's Superman Returns sequel is a go too! So is TRON 3!
12:54PM on 07/06/2011
Characters/Heroes: Marvel > DC
Stories: Marvel > DC
Live-Action Movies: Marvel > DC
Animated Movies: Marvel < DC (I love DC animated flicks -- most are very well done and entertaining)
I love all comic books, but this, in my opinion, is how it shakes down. I doubt DC will ever be able to catch up to the Marvel Cinematic universe.
Characters/Heroes: Marvel > DC
Stories: Marvel > DC
Live-Action Movies: Marvel > DC
Animated Movies: Marvel < DC (I love DC animated flicks -- most are very well done and entertaining)
I love all comic books, but this, in my opinion, is how it shakes down. I doubt DC will ever be able to catch up to the Marvel Cinematic universe.
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3:21PM on 07/06/2011
While my favorite DTDVD animated superhero flick is Marvel ("Next Avengers" was genius), overall, I entirely agree with this breakdown!
While my favorite DTDVD animated superhero flick is Marvel ("Next Avengers" was genius), overall, I entirely agree with this breakdown!
2:07PM on 07/06/2011
Question for fanboys:

Does every superhero film need to be the Dark Knight, and every superhero screenplay need to use the Nolan formula?

I haven't read anyone make these comments.
Question for fanboys:

Does every superhero film need to be the Dark Knight, and every superhero screenplay need to use the Nolan formula?

I haven't read anyone make these comments.
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3:50PM on 07/06/2011
i'm not saying it should be like that, most shouldnt. But they should at least use some creativity. Green Lantern packed so much uselessness and cliche into the characters that i hated every one of them (except Hector Hammond, but even then it could go a little farther with him). And the CGI was crap. I miss the days of using puppets and prosthetic to create aliens. The the effects were terrible and cheap
i'm not saying it should be like that, most shouldnt. But they should at least use some creativity. Green Lantern packed so much uselessness and cliche into the characters that i hated every one of them (except Hector Hammond, but even then it could go a little farther with him). And the CGI was crap. I miss the days of using puppets and prosthetic to create aliens. The the effects were terrible and cheap
2:44PM on 07/06/2011
Dear god, I hope not! I am not huge on Nolan's Batman franchise, and am also confused by the screams of "it should be like that", when not all superheroes could or wold translate well into that type of setting.
Dear god, I hope not! I am not huge on Nolan's Batman franchise, and am also confused by the screams of "it should be like that", when not all superheroes could or wold translate well into that type of setting.
3:10PM on 07/06/2011

This

While I really respect the writing on this article, this all just comes down to a matter of opinion. Fact is that Green Lantern was a flop yes, but some people really like it, others dislike it. As for the list of directors suggested to do it, I don't think that would make much of a difference. Campbell didn't just make 2 great Bond films... he made 2 great films period.
While I really respect the writing on this article, this all just comes down to a matter of opinion. Fact is that Green Lantern was a flop yes, but some people really like it, others dislike it. As for the list of directors suggested to do it, I don't think that would make much of a difference. Campbell didn't just make 2 great Bond films... he made 2 great films period.
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3:23PM on 07/06/2011
It's only a partial matter of opinion. The movie is flopping very badly, fact. It was obvious that Campbell was just going through the motions. Whether the movie was good or not is secondary to the point of how badly it's doing.
It's only a partial matter of opinion. The movie is flopping very badly, fact. It was obvious that Campbell was just going through the motions. Whether the movie was good or not is secondary to the point of how badly it's doing.
3:27PM on 07/06/2011
I agree with every word here! Campbell clearly wasn't invested in this movie. Even if "Thor" or "Iron Man" weren't passion projects for their respective directors, they each had a clear investment of what they were putting up on screen.

Side note- I was almost offended by the use of the term "journeyman" for the Marvel directors (Johnston aside), until you clarified with your tidbit what you meant by that in this case.
I agree with every word here! Campbell clearly wasn't invested in this movie. Even if "Thor" or "Iron Man" weren't passion projects for their respective directors, they each had a clear investment of what they were putting up on screen.

Side note- I was almost offended by the use of the term "journeyman" for the Marvel directors (Johnston aside), until you clarified with your tidbit what you meant by that in this case.
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3:29PM on 07/06/2011
Sick of people who bitch about not getting new properties, then when it's just a modest hit, tag it as being a bomb and proceed to talk **** or compare it to Batman or a Marvel film. I don't think the issue is the movies, but critics and fans who over-complicate what a movie is supposed to do.
Sick of people who bitch about not getting new properties, then when it's just a modest hit, tag it as being a bomb and proceed to talk **** or compare it to Batman or a Marvel film. I don't think the issue is the movies, but critics and fans who over-complicate what a movie is supposed to do.
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10:54PM on 07/06/2011
GL isn't a modest hit at all. It's a bomb. It cost $320 mil, but has barely made $135 mil, all together. That's less than half it's budget back so far. That's called bombing.
GL isn't a modest hit at all. It's a bomb. It cost $320 mil, but has barely made $135 mil, all together. That's less than half it's budget back so far. That's called bombing.
6:50PM on 07/06/2011
A movie is supposed to entertain.

Green Lantern bored rather than entertained.

There's nothing complicated about it.
A movie is supposed to entertain.

Green Lantern bored rather than entertained.

There's nothing complicated about it.
4:05PM on 07/06/2011

DC's prime has passed

I know I'll get negatives for this, but it is a matter of opinion, right?

Aside from Batman, DC characters are pretty boring. I haven't found any interest in any of their stories since the early '80's. DC's prime was the Golden and Silver Age, and that age is long gone.

Also, as far as the last sentence goes, I finally got to see Sucker Punch the other night. It wasn't all that bad. Nothing mind blowing, but not bad. And I still don't, and never will have an interest in Green
I know I'll get negatives for this, but it is a matter of opinion, right?

Aside from Batman, DC characters are pretty boring. I haven't found any interest in any of their stories since the early '80's. DC's prime was the Golden and Silver Age, and that age is long gone.

Also, as far as the last sentence goes, I finally got to see Sucker Punch the other night. It wasn't all that bad. Nothing mind blowing, but not bad. And I still don't, and never will have an interest in Green Lantern. Don't get me wrong, I like Ryan Reynolds, but this following link sums up his acting career (keep in mind, it is from a sports journalism site-so go in with an open mind)...

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4:08PM on 07/06/2011
I agree Campbell wasn't the best choice. His interviews only fuel the speculation that he wasn't invested in this world or character. He seemed put off by the whole process of creating this world. DC should absolutely find directors and writers that believe in the story and character behind each of these comic books.

Green Lantern as a whole simply wasn't that bad a movie. It is definitely underperforming at the box-office, no doubt, but the film itself is not the crap-fest its being
I agree Campbell wasn't the best choice. His interviews only fuel the speculation that he wasn't invested in this world or character. He seemed put off by the whole process of creating this world. DC should absolutely find directors and writers that believe in the story and character behind each of these comic books.

Green Lantern as a whole simply wasn't that bad a movie. It is definitely underperforming at the box-office, no doubt, but the film itself is not the crap-fest its being made out to be. It really just failed to find its own identity. It didn't properly set up the human characters and backstories for Hal, Carol, and Hector, instead giving us brief snippets of motivation as to who they are and what makes them tick. By the time the cosmic sci-fi aspect came in, most anyone unfamiliar with the characters just wouldn't care about what is going on with them. Then to add insult to injury they wimped out when showcasing the alien universe the Corps inhabit. They seemed to be afraid people wouldn't care about these characters and worlds because of the CG. If you write them properly they will care enough to stay interested. Somehow people were invested in Avatar, a by-the-numbers 1-dimensional movie about nature loving blue CG aliens and people bought into it because there was enough of a (albeit poorly written) story to the human characters.

Nolan works for Batman. His movies have always created realistic worlds for the characters, and even managed to create a form of mock believability in the more sci-fi aspects for films such as Inception or Prestige. That stuff works great, partly because Batman is a character that can be grounded in a real world setting. But donít adapt every character like this. I donít want to see another Superman Returns where Supes spends his time pining over a girl that got away. He has better things to doÖ.like saving the world. Let characters like Peter Parker worry about getting the girl and be insecure. If you can get people invested in the character and what they believe in or stand for, then you can get them to follow you into the more wonky stories they are a part of.
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5:34PM on 07/06/2011

What does journeyman mean?

I thought all director's were freelancers?
I thought all director's were freelancers?
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7:00PM on 07/06/2011
one of the problems is most of the DC characters (Batman, Superman & maybe Wonder Woman aside) are unknown outside the US. A lot of the second tier DC characters sound ridiculous to the guy/gal on the street as well. Green Lantern? Might as well be called Purple Onion, Pink Spade or the Crimson Cloakstand. It just seems a lot of these DC guys are harder to translate to the screen. Marvel heroes are more grounded in reality (they live in real places, have more realistic alter ego names, real
one of the problems is most of the DC characters (Batman, Superman & maybe Wonder Woman aside) are unknown outside the US. A lot of the second tier DC characters sound ridiculous to the guy/gal on the street as well. Green Lantern? Might as well be called Purple Onion, Pink Spade or the Crimson Cloakstand. It just seems a lot of these DC guys are harder to translate to the screen. Marvel heroes are more grounded in reality (they live in real places, have more realistic alter ego names, real problems). Of course the script writing, casting, acting & direction have a lot to do with it as well.
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7:18PM on 07/06/2011

Duncan Jones would've made a good Green Lantern film.

Martin Campbell was a weird choice. He should just stick with James Bond.

Since DC doesn't have as many good heroes as Marvel, they must hire the perfect person(s) to translate their comics into a good movie. DC is extremely lucky to have Christopher Nolan directing Batman, but now they must find the perfect director for other projects. DC can't afford to dish out anymore mediocrity like Green Lantern and Superman Returns. They are losing to Marvel badly.

I'm hoping Man of Steel doesn't
Martin Campbell was a weird choice. He should just stick with James Bond.

Since DC doesn't have as many good heroes as Marvel, they must hire the perfect person(s) to translate their comics into a good movie. DC is extremely lucky to have Christopher Nolan directing Batman, but now they must find the perfect director for other projects. DC can't afford to dish out anymore mediocrity like Green Lantern and Superman Returns. They are losing to Marvel badly.

I'm hoping Man of Steel doesn't suck. I may not like Watchmen, but I believe Zack Snyder could make a good Superman movie. And I want Ron Perlman as Darkseid already!
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7:51PM on 07/06/2011
I agree and disagree with this article. We should had it to DC, c'mon, over the years they've made the things underwear are made of. Nolan's Batman and Donner's Superman have gone down in history. A few things that DC clearly does better than Marvel (I do love the Marvel movies too, but still)...

1. DC nails some sweet ass music and theme songs you clearly never see in a Marvel movies save maybe Sam's Spiderman. I think they attempted to do something with ACDC in iron man, but it wasn't very
I agree and disagree with this article. We should had it to DC, c'mon, over the years they've made the things underwear are made of. Nolan's Batman and Donner's Superman have gone down in history. A few things that DC clearly does better than Marvel (I do love the Marvel movies too, but still)...

1. DC nails some sweet ass music and theme songs you clearly never see in a Marvel movies save maybe Sam's Spiderman. I think they attempted to do something with ACDC in iron man, but it wasn't very original. A hero needs his theme song.

2. The heroes reveal to the public should be one of the biggest climaxes of the movie. DC can butcher this too, but I rarely see a kick ass rescue in a Marvel franchise.

3. This is possibly the BIGGEST thing. DC can really deliver a villain. The villain is just as important as the hero. Character development for both is crucial and they need to share a chemistry of pure friend and foe. They can't be a hero or a villain without each other.

Marvel has made some awesome flicks and I don't mean to bash them, but I have yet to really be swept up in a Marvel movie like I was growing up with Superman and Batman. When in the hands of someone who actually gives a shit about the heroes they're putting up on screen, a legendary movie can take place. Chris Nolan revitalized that emotion, and I'm ready for more.
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4:10PM on 07/07/2011
Brian Stinger's xmen and the spiderman flicks are probably up there with batman and superman. I totally agree that the marvel movies have been awesome but they really havnt been taken to the next level. DC does need to step up their game really quick if they want to compete with marvel. I also agree with that Dc has amazing villians in the comics and that needs to be translated to film properly.
Brian Stinger's xmen and the spiderman flicks are probably up there with batman and superman. I totally agree that the marvel movies have been awesome but they really havnt been taken to the next level. DC does need to step up their game really quick if they want to compete with marvel. I also agree with that Dc has amazing villians in the comics and that needs to be translated to film properly.
8:05PM on 07/06/2011
The problem with Green Lantern and even some of Marvels heroes is that studios keep wishing them to be the big money makers that Batman, Spiderman, X-men and Superman are. But these smaller heroes don't have the mass appeal of them. They need to find away to cut the budgte but keep the quality of the films. Market the films to the niche crowd they will attract. Green Lantern, like Flash or Punisher or Daredevil will never be summer tentpole franchises b/c they lack the mainstream appeal, so
The problem with Green Lantern and even some of Marvels heroes is that studios keep wishing them to be the big money makers that Batman, Spiderman, X-men and Superman are. But these smaller heroes don't have the mass appeal of them. They need to find away to cut the budgte but keep the quality of the films. Market the films to the niche crowd they will attract. Green Lantern, like Flash or Punisher or Daredevil will never be summer tentpole franchises b/c they lack the mainstream appeal, so don't insist they need to make that type of money.
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8:44PM on 07/06/2011
Like Kick-Ass.
Like Kick-Ass.
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3:04AM on 07/07/2011

Animated DC

DC pumps out those animated flicks, and for the most part, they're pretty good. Not too long ago, I netflix'd that Superman/Shazam DVD and it was solid. Makes me think that if handled correctly, even a relatively obscure hero like The Spectre could make for a worthy live-action movie.

Or they could just make SuperMax.
DC pumps out those animated flicks, and for the most part, they're pretty good. Not too long ago, I netflix'd that Superman/Shazam DVD and it was solid. Makes me think that if handled correctly, even a relatively obscure hero like The Spectre could make for a worthy live-action movie.

Or they could just make SuperMax.
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2:21PM on 07/07/2011
Superman/Shazam was good. I like that the animated stuff is not too long too.
Superman/Shazam was good. I like that the animated stuff is not too long too.
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5:11PM on 07/07/2011

Here is the problem

As good as the nolans are (and they are great) superman just doesn't translate well on film. Awesome comics but this will be the third superman film in my lifetime that starts with the origin and uses the same characters we have seen already(maybe some new ones but not enough to differentiate) they need to get there shit together at DC cause the nolans aren't gonna be there forever for them and GL was pretty much garbage some fun but not enough. I know there is a ton of superman fans and I am
As good as the nolans are (and they are great) superman just doesn't translate well on film. Awesome comics but this will be the third superman film in my lifetime that starts with the origin and uses the same characters we have seen already(maybe some new ones but not enough to differentiate) they need to get there shit together at DC cause the nolans aren't gonna be there forever for them and GL was pretty much garbage some fun but not enough. I know there is a ton of superman fans and I am one so no disrespect but you can see it for yourselves plain as day in the other superman attempts. Do the math and it comes up not looking good.
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