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C'mon Hollywood: Don't be in a hurry to reboot Batman!

Apr. 24, 2012by: Paul Shirey

In just a few months we’ll be treated to Christopher Nolan’s conclusion to his Batman trilogy, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Most are dying to see his Dark Knight grace the screen for the final time, making it a bittersweet finale, since we all know the journey will end. Granted, not everyone knows “how” THE DARK KNIGHT RISES will close its curtains, but we know that the trilogy will be complete and Batman will once again hang in the clouds until another director takes up the reigns and brings him back to the big screen.

However, jumping into the fray too soon could have dire consequences for the character we’ve long enjoyed in his many incarnations, chief among them being overkill with a clumsy, rushed entry. THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is going to make enough money for Scrooge McDuck to swim in for a year. That kind of success gets Hollywood rubbing its hands and stomping its feet for more, More, MORE! It makes sense for them, but not for your average moviegoer. I don’t get a check for a million dollars by watching a Batman film (although I’d gladly take my money back for Schumacher’s films). I just enjoy them and have no stake beyond that.

The tendency for any successful business is to go with what sells. And right now, Batman f*cking sells. But, it’s important to remember that it sells because of the thought, care, and vision of the filmmakers, not simply because it’s a man in a batsuit. Despite what many may believe, audiences aren’t drones marching to the beat of the Batman theme song. We want quality and will prove it with our pocketbooks. That’s why Nolan’s Batfilms have been as great as they have.

The talk has already begun to reboot Batman after Nolan’s finale hits theaters and it rattles my nerves. The body’s not even f*cking cold yet and names like Affleck, Vaughn, Aronofsky, Blomkamp, Rithie, Yates, etc., are already being tossed around as contenders to take over. Why can’t we simply enjoy an outstanding trilogy for a little while? Why can’t we let it sit, age a bit, like a fine wine? Give us time to get excited again!

DC is chomping at the bit to make some headway in the feature film market, but can’t seem to do it without Batman. GREEN LANTERN is the perfect example of that. Half-assed and aping the tone of IRON MAN, it failed on every level. SUPERMAN RETURNS was a modest success and it’s too soon to tell if MAN OF STEEL will measure up. With Batman being their cash cow, seeing it come to a close is like euthanizing their golden goose at the end of its life.

I’m all for Batman gracing the big screen again, but it needs to happen at the right time with a smart and creative crew behind it. It shouldn’t be rushed into theaters in order to keep the Bat-pulse pumping. If anything, Warner Bros. should heed the lesson so gracefully taught by Nolan and co., which is approaching the character with a vision, not a timeline.

One of the chief complaints about Sony’s upcoming THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN reboot is that it’s too soon for another one (which, I agree with) and that people are bored with seeing the origin of the character retold. Most average moviegoers know Spidey’s origin at this point. Do we really need another exploration? Consider James Bond. While it would be cool to see an origin story of Bond, it’s not necessary to continue the franchise. His character tells the tale strongly enough.

Now, imagine if you had to sit through an origin of the character every time he graced the screen. It would be an exercise in tedium. And that’s what we’re getting to with these reboots. By that token, I’d love to see the Batman films pick up like a Bond film, foregoing the endless tirade of origin explorations and become a serialized set of films. Whoever said everything has to be a damn trilogy anyway? Hurrying Batman to the screen again, while forcing another origin story down our throats (which has been covered at least 3-4 times at this point) is the equivalent of a hamster on a wheel. Is anyone confused about how or why Batman became Batman? If so, there’s this new invention called Google that will get you all kinds of caught up.

We don’t know what direction the studio will go once Nolan’s trilogy wraps, but I think it’s imperative for them to take stock of what made the films as successful as they were/are and let us fully enjoy them before ramping up another. We love the character and look forward to seeing him in all his Dark Knight glory again, but how about a nice break and some time to rally a kick ass team to handle it before jumping the gun and shooting your wad on something half-assed? Both Batman and audiences deserve that much.

Extra Tidbit: All right...go ahead...let's hear your dream team for the next Batman film. I'd personally like to see Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns adapted by someone like Aronofsky or Proyas. It'll never happen, but there it is.
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12:57AM on 05/15/2012
Dude, I agree with the thesis of your article but Batman's origin story has not been "told 3 or 4 times already". It's been told once by Christopher Nolan in BATMAN BEGINS. Did I miss something?
Dude, I agree with the thesis of your article but Batman's origin story has not been "told 3 or 4 times already". It's been told once by Christopher Nolan in BATMAN BEGINS. Did I miss something?
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11:02PM on 04/25/2012
This article read my mind! Great job Paul! I can't stand all the retelling of origins nowadays, soooo much time is wasted telling beginnings we already know and have seen more than once before. I also agree that everything doesn't have to be a trilogy. That's one reason I love the resident evil franchise!
This article read my mind! Great job Paul! I can't stand all the retelling of origins nowadays, soooo much time is wasted telling beginnings we already know and have seen more than once before. I also agree that everything doesn't have to be a trilogy. That's one reason I love the resident evil franchise!
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8:10PM on 04/25/2012
I think people seem to forget exactly how dark Tim Burton's Batman films were because people associate them with Schumacher's more colorful & campy version. Someone had suggested bring the series back to Burton/Keaton, which actually could work.

While I do enjoy Nolan's version of Batman as more reality based then fantasy I agree with the article saying hollywood should not rush again into another reboot & especially another origin story. The new Spider-Man is getting horrible on every web
I think people seem to forget exactly how dark Tim Burton's Batman films were because people associate them with Schumacher's more colorful & campy version. Someone had suggested bring the series back to Burton/Keaton, which actually could work.

While I do enjoy Nolan's version of Batman as more reality based then fantasy I agree with the article saying hollywood should not rush again into another reboot & especially another origin story. The new Spider-Man is getting horrible on every web site including this one. That should tell hollywood something, yes its about making money but who gives the studios that money is the audience & if you lose the audience you are screwed.

With the new Superman coming out next summer people have doubts about it because of how disappointing Superman Returns was, at least to me it was very long & boring . Plus the kid angle killed it for me & Lois Lane was wasted.
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4:19PM on 04/25/2012
I'd love it if they started turning out serialized Batman films in the style of the older James Bond movies. The problem with this however is that movie studios have a need to consistently top themselves in order to stay alive. Batman has been done so many times before, that each time they bring him back, the new installment has to be bigger and better. WB is already dropping roughly $200-$300 million per movie, and they're not going to want to keep doing that every 2-3 years if they can't
I'd love it if they started turning out serialized Batman films in the style of the older James Bond movies. The problem with this however is that movie studios have a need to consistently top themselves in order to stay alive. Batman has been done so many times before, that each time they bring him back, the new installment has to be bigger and better. WB is already dropping roughly $200-$300 million per movie, and they're not going to want to keep doing that every 2-3 years if they can't top themselves, or if they sense folks are getting tired of the IP.
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2:14PM on 04/25/2012
Will DC reboot it's entire movie universe starting with Man of Steel? Not 100% super realistic like TDK, and not as fantasy as Burton's. Just a thought.
Also I'd just like to say I want to see AT LEAST 20 mins, hopefully a full half the movie Peter Parker OUT OF COSTUME getting soul-searching advice from Aunt May and Uncle Ben. That would be so sweet.
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Will DC reboot it's entire movie universe starting with Man of Steel? Not 100% super realistic like TDK, and not as fantasy as Burton's. Just a thought.
Also I'd just like to say I want to see AT LEAST 20 mins, hopefully a full half the movie Peter Parker OUT OF COSTUME getting soul-searching advice from Aunt May and Uncle Ben. That would be so sweet.
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2:14PM on 04/25/2012
...and yes to the simple Black and Grey Batman costume!
...and yes to the simple Black and Grey Batman costume!
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7:34AM on 04/25/2012
I really don't see the point of the "too soon" factor.
I wholeheartedly agree that if they reboot it, it should be for the sake of a writer/director's vision and his new take on the material and not just be a cashgrab. And yes, every reboot comes with a new exposition block - but that must not necessarily be a whole movie consumed by the slightly varied origin story over and over again.
The Amazing Spiderman is not really valid example here because neither of us has seen it and knows how
I really don't see the point of the "too soon" factor.
I wholeheartedly agree that if they reboot it, it should be for the sake of a writer/director's vision and his new take on the material and not just be a cashgrab. And yes, every reboot comes with a new exposition block - but that must not necessarily be a whole movie consumed by the slightly varied origin story over and over again.
The Amazing Spiderman is not really valid example here because neither of us has seen it and knows how much screentime it will spend on the becoming spiderman part and how much redundancy there really is compared to the (not so) old trilogy. A much better example would be The Incredible Hulk which was also a reboot but managed to (re-)tell the origin story in an incredibly effective opening credit sequence. That was a great way to bring viewers who only vaguely know the superheroes backstory up to speed with the franchise-fans without boring either of them.

So assuming there is a writer/director team who could bring all that to the table for a new Batman right now - WHY WAIT?

Why would the exact same moviemaking decisions be better ones in 5 or 10 years? A great movie will convince audiences at any given time. Hell, people still said there can be no better Joker than Jack Nicholson even after 20 years. That was narrowminded by 1990 and two additional decades only added nostalgia on top of that notion until Nolan/Ledger proved them wrong.
That is why I absolutely don't get the point of all the "too soon" hostility against Amazing Spiderman and why I would have absolutely no problem seeing a new Batman by 2014.
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11:35AM on 04/25/2012
The Amazing Spider-Man has hinged all of it's marketing on the "untold origin" of Spider-Man, so I think it's a damn safe bet that the movie will stand as just that: another origin flick, only with a lizard instead of a goblin.

The Incredible Hulk is an outstanding example of how you can reboot without inundating the audience with an entire movie about an origin. I don't see why Amazing Spider-Man can't do that, but I guarantee you, even though I haven't seen it yet, that the movie will
The Amazing Spider-Man has hinged all of it's marketing on the "untold origin" of Spider-Man, so I think it's a damn safe bet that the movie will stand as just that: another origin flick, only with a lizard instead of a goblin.

The Incredible Hulk is an outstanding example of how you can reboot without inundating the audience with an entire movie about an origin. I don't see why Amazing Spider-Man can't do that, but I guarantee you, even though I haven't seen it yet, that the movie will reference Spider-Man's origin, as well as that of his parents (as director Marc Webb has indicated). Snooze.

And the problem with a new NEW Batman reboot every two years is that we will all get bored to tears with the characters. OH, look, another Batfilm. Who's Batman this time? Who's the Joker this time? After a while it would become a joke.

If they kill Batman in TDKR as is rumored, then a reboot will be necessary. However, I don't think it needs to be another Batman Begins, which is about as in-depth as you can get on a Batman origin.

Rebooting every two years would kill the hype over Batman. Serializing the character is a better answer. I'm sick to death of trilogies and reboots. It's Hollywood spinning its wheels. And they'll keep spinning them as long as people pay for them.
11:58PM on 04/24/2012
A batman beyond movie starring Clint Eastwood and directed by Clint Eastwood would be awesome!!
A batman beyond movie starring Clint Eastwood and directed by Clint Eastwood would be awesome!!
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9:00PM on 04/24/2012

origin stories

are sometimes necessary, even if unwanted by fans or the studio itself. as a poster below said, if batman dies in TDKR, they have to do a reboot. as for spider-man, yes it is too soon, and while spidey 1 & 2 were great movies, spidey 3 f---ed up the story. Sony wants to do spidey right, with a good venom origin story, and the right tone. remember that spidey was one of the first major comic book movies, and its much easier now for studios to look hindsight and see how a super hero movie should
are sometimes necessary, even if unwanted by fans or the studio itself. as a poster below said, if batman dies in TDKR, they have to do a reboot. as for spider-man, yes it is too soon, and while spidey 1 & 2 were great movies, spidey 3 f---ed up the story. Sony wants to do spidey right, with a good venom origin story, and the right tone. remember that spidey was one of the first major comic book movies, and its much easier now for studios to look hindsight and see how a super hero movie should be made. sony has rebooted spidey with hopes of creating a true spidey/venom story arc that will probably last over two films...

edit: in response to below,i definitely dont think venom is the main reason, but if theyre going to do it right, theyre going to do venom justice and not repeat how bad they raped him in spidey 3
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1:49AM on 04/25/2012
you really think thats why Sony wants to do a reboot so soon? in order to do a good Venom origin story? Im more to the theory that Sony wants to cash in on this as much as possible. I can defiantly see Sony doing this again before their rites to Spidey are up. buuuut thats just my op[inion.
you really think thats why Sony wants to do a reboot so soon? in order to do a good Venom origin story? Im more to the theory that Sony wants to cash in on this as much as possible. I can defiantly see Sony doing this again before their rites to Spidey are up. buuuut thats just my op[inion.
7:58PM on 04/25/2012
Am I the only one who doesn't like Venom?
Am I the only one who doesn't like Venom?
8:44PM on 04/24/2012
I am also for the idea to do a "Batman Beyond" movie with the grizzled old Bruce Wayne and Terry McGinnis wearing the new suit.
I am also for the idea to do a "Batman Beyond" movie with the grizzled old Bruce Wayne and Terry McGinnis wearing the new suit.
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7:47PM on 04/24/2012

A Bit Premature

While I think Nolan's Batman films are very overrated, I agree with the reasoning in this article, but I do feel this article is premature- what happens if it sucks and you are disappointed? Or what if it doesn't do as well as hoped?
While I think Nolan's Batman films are very overrated, I agree with the reasoning in this article, but I do feel this article is premature- what happens if it sucks and you are disappointed? Or what if it doesn't do as well as hoped?
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8:00PM on 04/25/2012
being that you call Nolan's Batman films overrated its so obvious you will not like TDKR no matter what.
being that you call Nolan's Batman films overrated its so obvious you will not like TDKR no matter what.
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6:07PM on 04/24/2012
Frankly, Warner Bros. should jump straight into Batman Beyond as a movie if they want to continue the Bat franchise. Bruce Wayne as an old man (who should be played by Clint Eastwood) and a street-smart kid that discovers his secret and becomes the new Batman. Win-win. You keep your franchise going, but freshen it up for those of us tired of seeing the same fucking origin story 30 times over.
Frankly, Warner Bros. should jump straight into Batman Beyond as a movie if they want to continue the Bat franchise. Bruce Wayne as an old man (who should be played by Clint Eastwood) and a street-smart kid that discovers his secret and becomes the new Batman. Win-win. You keep your franchise going, but freshen it up for those of us tired of seeing the same fucking origin story 30 times over.
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8:02PM on 04/25/2012
you all realize Eastwood is in his 80s right?
you all realize Eastwood is in his 80s right?
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5:57PM on 04/24/2012

If batman dies

nolan gives them no choice but to reboot the thing again.
If not, i would like to see the story continue with a new (good) director
nolan gives them no choice but to reboot the thing again.
If not, i would like to see the story continue with a new (good) director
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5:17PM on 04/24/2012
While I wholeheartedly agree with this article, let me reassure you that Christopher Nolan would be producing the newer Batman movies. So, even if it's just a handful of months later when WB announces another Batman movie, I'm pretty sure that Nolan has to give the thumbs up too. With that in mind, I think we can all sleep better at night.
While I wholeheartedly agree with this article, let me reassure you that Christopher Nolan would be producing the newer Batman movies. So, even if it's just a handful of months later when WB announces another Batman movie, I'm pretty sure that Nolan has to give the thumbs up too. With that in mind, I think we can all sleep better at night.
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4:17PM on 04/24/2012

I'd be interested in seeing...

Tim Burton and Michael Keaton return for a third time in that universe.
Tim Burton and Michael Keaton return for a third time in that universe.
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5:54PM on 04/24/2012
Yes, keaton as an older batman, a true sequel to batman returns
Yes, keaton as an older batman, a true sequel to batman returns
7:30AM on 04/25/2012
I'm sold (as long as Burton can resist casting Johnny Depp as Robin & Helena Bonham-Carter as Batgirl!)
I'm sold (as long as Burton can resist casting Johnny Depp as Robin & Helena Bonham-Carter as Batgirl!)
3:28PM on 04/24/2012
Great article with some really great points. I completely agree with everything you said. Nolan brought a new energy to the franchise and I hope whoever takes over the reigns to it waits until they have something truly special to contribute.
Great article with some really great points. I completely agree with everything you said. Nolan brought a new energy to the franchise and I hope whoever takes over the reigns to it waits until they have something truly special to contribute.
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3:16PM on 04/24/2012

Who's tossing around contender names?

This website is the first I've heard of it. I'd like to read those sources.
This website is the first I've heard of it. I'd like to read those sources.
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3:49PM on 04/24/2012
Click the link in the article that says "already begun."
Click the link in the article that says "already begun."
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3:14PM on 04/24/2012

I've got an idea

it's a little crazy but stay with me. I was never a big fan of Batman Beyond but I would like to see a movie based loosely around it. Let us say a "reimagining". I thought the series was pretty good, it had an interesting concept but one of the biggest faults was the main character - Terry, since cloning was a pretty lame origin and as a character he was more Spider-man than Batman. I say screw him, reimagine Bruce Wayne as a future billionaire, the same story happens to him of course, but
it's a little crazy but stay with me. I was never a big fan of Batman Beyond but I would like to see a movie based loosely around it. Let us say a "reimagining". I thought the series was pretty good, it had an interesting concept but one of the biggest faults was the main character - Terry, since cloning was a pretty lame origin and as a character he was more Spider-man than Batman. I say screw him, reimagine Bruce Wayne as a future billionaire, the same story happens to him of course, but everything occurs in a high-tech, sci-fi noir surrounding.

Or just wait a couple of years. Then eventually do a very dark take on Batman. Have characters like the Joker, Riddler, Zsasz do unimagineable crimes, murder, mutilation, etc. Seven but with Batman and gangs thrown in there.
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2:36PM on 04/24/2012
I absolutely love the Nolan Batman movies, but I don't love them too much to not want to see the vision of another great director/writer. I think the only way to tarnish Nolan's Batman is by continuing on in his universe without him or creating a Batman movie that's better than his. I am fine with a new Batman movie in the next few years so long as it doesn't feel like a rip off of Nolan's vision and is taken care of the way that Nolan and Burton took care of their visions. Although I love
I absolutely love the Nolan Batman movies, but I don't love them too much to not want to see the vision of another great director/writer. I think the only way to tarnish Nolan's Batman is by continuing on in his universe without him or creating a Batman movie that's better than his. I am fine with a new Batman movie in the next few years so long as it doesn't feel like a rip off of Nolan's vision and is taken care of the way that Nolan and Burton took care of their visions. Although I love Nolan's vision way better I am still glad we have Burton and Nolan Batman films to enjoy.
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2:11PM on 04/24/2012
As a fan of the Nolan films, I am also frothing at the mouth for a classic meat and potatoes Batman. It doesn't have to be campy, but it also doesn't have to be so self-serious. A serialized movie series that eschews an origin for the most fun story possible would be ideal. I won't even begin to guess at who could write, direct or star in such a re-boot and I'm okay with the idea of waiting long enough that whoever that might be, we don't know they exist yet. Nolan brought his own thing to the
As a fan of the Nolan films, I am also frothing at the mouth for a classic meat and potatoes Batman. It doesn't have to be campy, but it also doesn't have to be so self-serious. A serialized movie series that eschews an origin for the most fun story possible would be ideal. I won't even begin to guess at who could write, direct or star in such a re-boot and I'm okay with the idea of waiting long enough that whoever that might be, we don't know they exist yet. Nolan brought his own thing to the Batman franchise and for all of his amazing qualities, I felt that the classic Batman I know and love- the Bruce Timm Batman- should be the real inspiration for the next installment of the big budget theatrical version of this beloved character.
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2:00PM on 04/24/2012
I see no problem with doing more Batman movies. Comic book films SHOULD be like comics. always introducing new artists, new writers and new ideas.

They keep the stories fresh, the visuals fresh and the mythology of the character fresh.

Tidbit: The Killing Joke would be Dreamy, but only if they did it in a new form of ultra realistic CGI with Conroy and Hamill as Batman and Joker.
I see no problem with doing more Batman movies. Comic book films SHOULD be like comics. always introducing new artists, new writers and new ideas.

They keep the stories fresh, the visuals fresh and the mythology of the character fresh.

Tidbit: The Killing Joke would be Dreamy, but only if they did it in a new form of ultra realistic CGI with Conroy and Hamill as Batman and Joker.
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1:48PM on 04/24/2012

A lot of thoughts

Why do studios think they need to reboot everything? Why couldn't Spider-Man just continue with a new cast? We don't need to reboot Batman in 5 years. It also doesn't need to be rushed. Nolan has the formula down, have someone step in and take over. Audiences aren't stupid, we can comprehend that a new cast has taken over, we realize that people don't want to play the same character forever. I don't want to watch another origin story because Batman has enough storylines to last for the next 80
Why do studios think they need to reboot everything? Why couldn't Spider-Man just continue with a new cast? We don't need to reboot Batman in 5 years. It also doesn't need to be rushed. Nolan has the formula down, have someone step in and take over. Audiences aren't stupid, we can comprehend that a new cast has taken over, we realize that people don't want to play the same character forever. I don't want to watch another origin story because Batman has enough storylines to last for the next 80 years. Recast and continue where this leaves off as long as Nolan ends this film in a way you could do so.

Everyone wants a Justice League film. I'm not opposed to one but the DC characters aren't as rich as Marvel's. Just think about a Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman movie....they aren't very appealing characters and they don't have very appealing villains. Superman, Batman and Green Lantern do....but those three not so much. Green Lantern could have been great, but they blew it. So IF and I'm not saying I really want one but if I was Warner Bros. and wanted a Justice League movie, here is how I would have done it.

I would start it off with Man of Steel. New actor with an origin story. Put a few easter eggs in their for the fans, end of film. Then I would recast Batman and a director. Keep the tone of Nolan, but once again, drop in the easter eggs. Then you repeat with Lantern, Flash, Aquaman and Wonder Woman. The key is to duplicate the formula of Iron Man. Iron Man does not have very appealing villains, but it's a great story with well written characters. That's hard to pull off but it can be done. Warner Bros. needs to seriously work on the DC franchise. As for Batman Beyond, sure sounds good, why can't you have two succesful Batman franchises?
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1:48PM on 04/24/2012
Agree 100%! I also agree with those saying "Bring on Batman Beyond". DC even finally added him to the comics given the popularity of the character, time to give Terry his due.
Agree 100%! I also agree with those saying "Bring on Batman Beyond". DC even finally added him to the comics given the popularity of the character, time to give Terry his due.
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1:23PM on 04/24/2012

eh

I can see where they are coming from, wanting to do what Marvel did for the Avengers. You can't use Nolan's Batman in a Justice League setting. But just because you can't use Nolans Batman doesnt mean the new batman needs his own movie right away. They dropped the ball with Green Lantern but even that is salvageable to lead into a Justice League movie, the next Superman movie can also go that direction (unlikely though). They keep saying they want to do a Justice League movie but rebooting
I can see where they are coming from, wanting to do what Marvel did for the Avengers. You can't use Nolan's Batman in a Justice League setting. But just because you can't use Nolans Batman doesnt mean the new batman needs his own movie right away. They dropped the ball with Green Lantern but even that is salvageable to lead into a Justice League movie, the next Superman movie can also go that direction (unlikely though). They keep saying they want to do a Justice League movie but rebooting batman is not how to start it.
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12:57PM on 04/24/2012

Totally agree!

We need more Batman movies the same way they make Bond movies: new stories, with new enemies (there's a lot of adventures in the comics). Change the actors, but keep Nollan's universe,style, darkness. I know everyone's hate X-MEN 3, but the keep the same universe and style from Singer's movies. OK they need a better scrip, but u understand what I'm saying. Use the same costumes, same batmovil, gadgets, and give us new stories. No reboot!
We need more Batman movies the same way they make Bond movies: new stories, with new enemies (there's a lot of adventures in the comics). Change the actors, but keep Nollan's universe,style, darkness. I know everyone's hate X-MEN 3, but the keep the same universe and style from Singer's movies. OK they need a better scrip, but u understand what I'm saying. Use the same costumes, same batmovil, gadgets, and give us new stories. No reboot!
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12:42PM on 04/24/2012

The problem is...

Most comic story lines just dont translate well live action film compared to animated films. Take for example all of the Marvel Knights, DC comic animated films that have been coming out the past few years. Got a storyline? Animators and voice talent? Good to go. As for something like next months Avengers film. That required a film for each main character, not to mention some sort of collaboration b/w each director/writer that helps tie in the idea of an Avengers team. Hundreds of millions of
Most comic story lines just dont translate well live action film compared to animated films. Take for example all of the Marvel Knights, DC comic animated films that have been coming out the past few years. Got a storyline? Animators and voice talent? Good to go. As for something like next months Avengers film. That required a film for each main character, not to mention some sort of collaboration b/w each director/writer that helps tie in the idea of an Avengers team. Hundreds of millions of dollars, years of work, a cap america, hulk, thor, and 2 iron man films later, THE AVENGERS begins production! I wish movie studios could green light a great comic book story line (Skrulls, Secret wars, anything JLA) and call it a day, but trying to maximize your profits (or at least breaking even) means attracting just about everyone in the general public. True, itd be nice to tell that jerk in the movies asking "Whos that guy with the hammer?", or "Why is Batman called McGinnis? I thought it was Bruce-something" to just google it, but lets face it, the general public is just that, very general. Just like I wouldnt expect to go in to a Tyler Perry movie know the back story, its hard to think the general public could tell the difference between Venom and Carnage.
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12:30PM on 04/24/2012

Keep Paul Shirey Around

Great write up and interesting feedback from the schmo's. For one I would also like to see Keaton in a movie as old Wayne BUT I would want a different writer from the first two movies. The guy clearly didn't know the character of Batman. Have you noticed how many goons Keaton's Batman kills in the first movie? Ridiculous. The man has one rule, as Nolan's Batman clearly pointed out.
About that whole debacle of people saying no to movies, I can proudly say I've done that. (although I feel
Great write up and interesting feedback from the schmo's. For one I would also like to see Keaton in a movie as old Wayne BUT I would want a different writer from the first two movies. The guy clearly didn't know the character of Batman. Have you noticed how many goons Keaton's Batman kills in the first movie? Ridiculous. The man has one rule, as Nolan's Batman clearly pointed out.
About that whole debacle of people saying no to movies, I can proudly say I've done that. (although I feel it didn't help) I absolutely refused to go and see X-men Origins: Wolverine in theatres and he is my all time favorite comic character. I own every comic he's headlined since his first miniseries back in '82. I LOVE the guy. But I still didn't see that shithouse first solo ride of his. Did it stop fox from making another? No. But I like to think it kicked them in the pants to take the second story a bit more seriously. They almost got Aronofsky for crying out loud. Studios need to start realizing character is important and not just "oh people like comic book movies, lets over saturate the market and throw as many nods to characters in one film as we can". CUT THAT SHIT OUT! ok I'm done.
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12:41PM on 04/24/2012
One more thing.
To H-Man, Halflife and DareDevil.
Whats with all the penis and Gay comments? Do you not realize that makes you look like a dullard? Yes DareDevil was rude but there is nothing wrong with having Nolans dick in your mouth. He's just jealous no one is sucking on his. If you think he sucks DareDevil, go and be productive and make a better movie instead of complaining. You are the culmination of about 13 billion years of evolution, fucking act like it.
One more thing.
To H-Man, Halflife and DareDevil.
Whats with all the penis and Gay comments? Do you not realize that makes you look like a dullard? Yes DareDevil was rude but there is nothing wrong with having Nolans dick in your mouth. He's just jealous no one is sucking on his. If you think he sucks DareDevil, go and be productive and make a better movie instead of complaining. You are the culmination of about 13 billion years of evolution, fucking act like it.
12:13PM on 04/24/2012
I think its time to tackle the original comic of batman vs dracula. The first one has an epicness to it whether it be zombie hordes, blood rain, dracula in his prime, or batman in full vampire mode. Its an opportunity to drag batman back into the solid r rating material with all the crazy scary chills and thrills that go with it.
I think its time to tackle the original comic of batman vs dracula. The first one has an epicness to it whether it be zombie hordes, blood rain, dracula in his prime, or batman in full vampire mode. Its an opportunity to drag batman back into the solid r rating material with all the crazy scary chills and thrills that go with it.
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11:55AM on 04/24/2012
If they ever do a Batman Beyond, then Kevin Conroy should play Bruce Wayne. Though we all know Batman Beyond will never happen. Still, if only.
If they ever do a Batman Beyond, then Kevin Conroy should play Bruce Wayne. Though we all know Batman Beyond will never happen. Still, if only.
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10:48AM on 04/24/2012

I like the idea of Batman Beyond

Wait atleast 7-8 years and then continue with a grizzled veteran actor to be an older wiser Batman. That way they can recast the characters without contradicting the previous trilogy. And yes, Paul, IMO the sci-fi elements and the futuristic settings can work for the audience if the films are NOT CAMPY (like B&R) and continue with the tone & realistic world of Nolan trilogy. Who wouldn't want a dark, gritty sci-fi action film starring Batman??

Anyway, Dark Knight Returns is a wiseful
Wait atleast 7-8 years and then continue with a grizzled veteran actor to be an older wiser Batman. That way they can recast the characters without contradicting the previous trilogy. And yes, Paul, IMO the sci-fi elements and the futuristic settings can work for the audience if the films are NOT CAMPY (like B&R) and continue with the tone & realistic world of Nolan trilogy. Who wouldn't want a dark, gritty sci-fi action film starring Batman??

Anyway, Dark Knight Returns is a wiseful project. As it crosses over with Superman, I don't think we'll see it get made any time soon. On the other hand, The Avengers are finally happening, so what do I know?
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10:25AM on 04/24/2012
To answer the tidbit though, I could imagine Burton giving it another shot... would love to see him tackle the Batman Beyond story with an older Keaton in a gothic future
To answer the tidbit though, I could imagine Burton giving it another shot... would love to see him tackle the Batman Beyond story with an older Keaton in a gothic future
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10:28AM on 04/24/2012
I'm actually digging the idea of a Batman Beyond. Would average moviegoers be down, though? I think that would be Warner's conundrum.
I'm actually digging the idea of a Batman Beyond. Would average moviegoers be down, though? I think that would be Warner's conundrum.
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10:21AM on 04/24/2012
While I'm eager to see TDKR, Avengers and Superman I believe I'm overly exposed to the superhero trend... hopefully with Prometheus we'll see the rebirth of an almost lost genre: SciFi thrillers.

Superheroes deserve a break IMO
While I'm eager to see TDKR, Avengers and Superman I believe I'm overly exposed to the superhero trend... hopefully with Prometheus we'll see the rebirth of an almost lost genre: SciFi thrillers.

Superheroes deserve a break IMO
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9:52AM on 04/24/2012

Batman Beyond

Let tge franchise rest for 7 yrs then make a Batman Beyond movie with NOLAN overseeing it ( maybe possibly directing). Makeup Bale into an 60yr old and get some new good teen actor at the time to play Terry
Let tge franchise rest for 7 yrs then make a Batman Beyond movie with NOLAN overseeing it ( maybe possibly directing). Makeup Bale into an 60yr old and get some new good teen actor at the time to play Terry
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9:28AM on 04/24/2012

Reboot ideas

Woody Allen- directing and starring.
Joe Pesci as Robin
Gary Busey as Alfred
Carrot Top as Commisioner Gordon
Martin Lawrence as The Ridler
aaaaaaaaaand ... Tobey Maguire, as the Joker. MAKE IT HAPPEN, HOLLYWOOD.
Woody Allen- directing and starring.
Joe Pesci as Robin
Gary Busey as Alfred
Carrot Top as Commisioner Gordon
Martin Lawrence as The Ridler
aaaaaaaaaand ... Tobey Maguire, as the Joker. MAKE IT HAPPEN, HOLLYWOOD.
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9:18AM on 04/24/2012

Yep

Good article sir. Well explained. Though I have to say the guy below me who called for Keaton to come back for Miller's "Dark Knight Returns" has an awesome idea; if they had a really inspired, radical reboot ready, I think it'd actually be fun to flip the series within a couple years. But I doubt that's the case, and casting choices like Affleck (with all due respect) wreak of insipid desperation.
Good article sir. Well explained. Though I have to say the guy below me who called for Keaton to come back for Miller's "Dark Knight Returns" has an awesome idea; if they had a really inspired, radical reboot ready, I think it'd actually be fun to flip the series within a couple years. But I doubt that's the case, and casting choices like Affleck (with all due respect) wreak of insipid desperation.
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9:15AM on 04/24/2012

Greedy pricks...

"Warner Bros. should heed the lesson so gracefully taught by Nolan and co., which is approaching the character with a vision, not a timeline"

Nuff said.
"Warner Bros. should heed the lesson so gracefully taught by Nolan and co., which is approaching the character with a vision, not a timeline"

Nuff said.
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9:08AM on 04/24/2012
I agree with most points in this column. Especially, I agree that the damn origin does not need to be retold every damn time. Generally, audiences know the origin already via the comics or the past movies. Or, many audiences do not care about the origin. They know that they watch an adventure movie about a superguy, and they do not need more exposition than that.
I agree with most points in this column. Especially, I agree that the damn origin does not need to be retold every damn time. Generally, audiences know the origin already via the comics or the past movies. Or, many audiences do not care about the origin. They know that they watch an adventure movie about a superguy, and they do not need more exposition than that.
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8:40AM on 04/24/2012
I think it's be cool if Tim Burton and Michael Keaton returned and took on the "Dark Knight Returns" storyline...
I think it's be cool if Tim Burton and Michael Keaton returned and took on the "Dark Knight Returns" storyline...
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8:13AM on 04/24/2012
If they are going to reboot it, then actually do a reboot, not a remake (Hollywood seems to have been confusing these terms for over a decade now. The Amazing Spiderman = Remake, NOT reboot) Reboot it the way James Bond reboots. Bring in new talent and tell a story were Batman has always been Batman. DO NOT try to retell the origin.
If they are going to reboot it, then actually do a reboot, not a remake (Hollywood seems to have been confusing these terms for over a decade now. The Amazing Spiderman = Remake, NOT reboot) Reboot it the way James Bond reboots. Bring in new talent and tell a story were Batman has always been Batman. DO NOT try to retell the origin.
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7:14AM on 04/24/2012

Arkham city

We don't need an origin story but we sure need a new director. I want a new Batman in the vein of the video game "Arkham city". Bring back some of the goth and above all a great gotham city! Screw this "supposed" realistic Nolan Batman.
We don't need an origin story but we sure need a new director. I want a new Batman in the vein of the video game "Arkham city". Bring back some of the goth and above all a great gotham city! Screw this "supposed" realistic Nolan Batman.
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7:09AM on 04/24/2012
It will be hard to reboot Batman after Nolan. Regardless of whoever directs the new one, he/she can't help but be compared to Nolan's version. I don't think "Reboot" is the right word. It's more like a continuation of the story. Like Joel Schumacher version, he didn't reboot Batman per se but he continued the story of Batman.
It will be hard to reboot Batman after Nolan. Regardless of whoever directs the new one, he/she can't help but be compared to Nolan's version. I don't think "Reboot" is the right word. It's more like a continuation of the story. Like Joel Schumacher version, he didn't reboot Batman per se but he continued the story of Batman.
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6:39AM on 04/24/2012
FUCK sorry
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6:38AM on 04/24/2012

what a perfect plea

I totally agree that comic movies (not just Batman) need to get on the Bond train and serialize their stories.

The ideal option would be to let this team have 15 years off to work on other endeavors and bring them back for the Dark Knight Returns.

But I think it's pretty obvious that if The Avengers does as well as expected, DC is going revive the Justice League idea and have everything lead to that.
I totally agree that comic movies (not just Batman) need to get on the Bond train and serialize their stories.

The ideal option would be to let this team have 15 years off to work on other endeavors and bring them back for the Dark Knight Returns.

But I think it's pretty obvious that if The Avengers does as well as expected, DC is going revive the Justice League idea and have everything lead to that.
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6:37AM on 04/24/2012
i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
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6:36AM on 04/24/2012
i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
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6:36AM on 04/24/2012
i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
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i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
i agree with this though i think the problem in the past was allowing each director to distinctly intepret their vision of the character, giving wild variations from grim to camp. I thik now that Nolan has set a perfect baseline, the focus should now be on a solid script and director who will maintain, not expand or "reinvision" whatever that means. and dont start from the beginning! fucking Spiderman. Despite the old Electric Company song, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE
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5:13AM on 04/24/2012
I would love to see a Batman reboot, but I do agree they need to take their time to come up with a concept. While I'm a big DC fan, I've said many times that Marvel has their act together a lot better when it comes to their movie universe.

For the Batman reboot, I'd love to see them build a world, similar in tone to the Arkham video games and the 90s animated series, like some posters below have mentioned. A combination of gritty realism with the magic of a comic book world.

I'd also
I would love to see a Batman reboot, but I do agree they need to take their time to come up with a concept. While I'm a big DC fan, I've said many times that Marvel has their act together a lot better when it comes to their movie universe.

For the Batman reboot, I'd love to see them build a world, similar in tone to the Arkham video games and the 90s animated series, like some posters below have mentioned. A combination of gritty realism with the magic of a comic book world.

I'd also love to see the Batman family come together. It's wishful thinking, but it would be wonderful to eventually see a movie with Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Oracle and Huntress in supporting roles. It has been suggested that Paul Dini, who created B:TAS, write the reboot. I think that would be a good idea.

Not a fan of the Dark Knight Returns idea though. I don't really like the story, and it's already being adapted into an animated film.
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5:09AM on 04/24/2012
I like this writer, Paul Shirey. Not only does he write good stuff, he also participates a LOT in the discussion. Kudos to you, good sir!
I like this writer, Paul Shirey. Not only does he write good stuff, he also participates a LOT in the discussion. Kudos to you, good sir!
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8:03AM on 04/24/2012
Me too - He has a cool website [link]
Me too - He has a cool website [link]
4:52AM on 04/24/2012
The way I see it, the whole Batman movie saga will most likely go the route of Peter Jackson and the LOTR movies. In that I think that after some time (and probably a lot of "begging" from the studio) Nolan will come back for another Batman film. That he wants to or not, in the end (after a break or after another movie project) money speaks and I think MORE than plenty of it will be offered to Nolan/Bale. Like more more.

As for the tidbit: I wouldn't mind seeing Robert Rodriguez try his hand
The way I see it, the whole Batman movie saga will most likely go the route of Peter Jackson and the LOTR movies. In that I think that after some time (and probably a lot of "begging" from the studio) Nolan will come back for another Batman film. That he wants to or not, in the end (after a break or after another movie project) money speaks and I think MORE than plenty of it will be offered to Nolan/Bale. Like more more.

As for the tidbit: I wouldn't mind seeing Robert Rodriguez try his hand at Batman. Something close too what the Batman: The Animated Series was. Sort of a retro/film noir vibe.
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4:04AM on 04/24/2012
See one of the great things about being a movie nerd is not really caring what the mainstream audiences think. We like it when a mainstream audience bites down on a property, like Batman, simply because it means we get more of it, and tend to get pissy (rightfully so) when they fail to see the genius of properties we like (Cabin in the Woods anybody?).

When it comes to Batman and most comic properties I look at it like this - Every movie is a new issue. A new artist. A new writer. Inker.
See one of the great things about being a movie nerd is not really caring what the mainstream audiences think. We like it when a mainstream audience bites down on a property, like Batman, simply because it means we get more of it, and tend to get pissy (rightfully so) when they fail to see the genius of properties we like (Cabin in the Woods anybody?).

When it comes to Batman and most comic properties I look at it like this - Every movie is a new issue. A new artist. A new writer. Inker. Typist. Word bubble savant. Whatever. It's a new story. And I crave these stories like a drug, whether it's on paper or a movie screen. New Spidey? Fantastic. New take on Ghost Rider? Eh, another f-up, but maybe someday. Now if they can just get the Punisher to work on screen...


Regardless, we get some fantastically good or dismally bad films to watch, debate, deconstruct, revel, revile, and re-watch over and over again. Why not have more of that? Why not have as much as possible?

I get your trepidation about an inferior product, no one wants to see their favorite characters muddled and abused, but if you think about it we wouldn't have the Nolanverse if it weren't for Schumacher's colossal missteps in the franchise. Did they hurt? Oh my god yes, but it led to something much better, eventually.

I want to see as many interpretations of my favorite characters as I can before I die. I don't want to literally die waiting for the next iteration. I, like most addicts, want it NOW.
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4:10AM on 04/24/2012
Respectfully noted. And I agree with you for the most part. I just don't want to see these films churned out "Spy Kids style." I look forward to seeing TDKR and hopefully enjoying the shit out of it. But, I'd like to be able to soak it all in before having the next one already in the pipe a year later. I'd rather see a new take on another property or something completely new and original. Make me hunger for it, rather than take it for granted.

I absolutely get the "fix" aspect of
Respectfully noted. And I agree with you for the most part. I just don't want to see these films churned out "Spy Kids style." I look forward to seeing TDKR and hopefully enjoying the shit out of it. But, I'd like to be able to soak it all in before having the next one already in the pipe a year later. I'd rather see a new take on another property or something completely new and original. Make me hunger for it, rather than take it for granted.

I absolutely get the "fix" aspect of seeing these films, but if they start churning them out right and left the quality will be lost and so with it, our interest in them.

My only hope is that they do it right, whether it be next year or five years from now. Good points, all around, sir.
4:13AM on 04/24/2012
I guess those are the pitfalls of being an addict. Always chasing the dragon...
I guess those are the pitfalls of being an addict. Always chasing the dragon...
5:06AM on 04/24/2012
This sounds like something that Nite Owl had posted on mfc.

No matter what anyone says, these films aren't new issues. a film, like a book, will never be the same. I don't mind categorizing them as such, but more along the lines of in its entirety. As in Burton's batman, then Nolan's Batman, and then let another person take over in a DECANT amount of time. and let him have his shot at the franchise.

But I'm with Paul, when he says that this can't be rebooted to soon. I think thats
This sounds like something that Nite Owl had posted on mfc.

No matter what anyone says, these films aren't new issues. a film, like a book, will never be the same. I don't mind categorizing them as such, but more along the lines of in its entirety. As in Burton's batman, then Nolan's Batman, and then let another person take over in a DECANT amount of time. and let him have his shot at the franchise.

But I'm with Paul, when he says that this can't be rebooted to soon. I think thats what worked so well about Nolan's Batman as well. We, needed it, we fell out love with the character because of the likes of Batman and Robin. Then Nolan brought Batman back to us, and in doing so he did it properly.

I too want to see as many interpretations of my favourite characters, but i don't want the production company to sell out my favourite character. and i want good creative writhing, and quality films.

I'm actually hopping that Nolan kills Batman in his final film, and maybe we can have a Night wing, or Batman Beyond, a legitimate passing of the torch. Then you have a cash grab, and then after thats done perhaps go back to the original batman.

who knows...
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3:56AM on 04/24/2012

Reboot it now

Reboot it now. Nolan has done a good job, but coming off Batman and Robin he was in a no lose situation. Begins just HAD to be better. TDK was better, because of Ledger. He makes slightly above average films and hasn't once blown me away or written a single charactor I give two shits about.
Reboot it now. Nolan has done a good job, but coming off Batman and Robin he was in a no lose situation. Begins just HAD to be better. TDK was better, because of Ledger. He makes slightly above average films and hasn't once blown me away or written a single charactor I give two shits about.
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3:50AM on 04/24/2012
There were rumors of a post Nolan live action TV series and I think that's the way to go about it, you get over having the first movie be an origin story and you can re introduce the Joker without it being a Heath Ledger retread. Either way, I am a DC fan over Marvel and I think that if they really want to compete they should get the crossover franchises out there. I am so down for a World's Finest or Brave & The Bold feature. One of the most fun aspects of Batman is how he interacts with other
There were rumors of a post Nolan live action TV series and I think that's the way to go about it, you get over having the first movie be an origin story and you can re introduce the Joker without it being a Heath Ledger retread. Either way, I am a DC fan over Marvel and I think that if they really want to compete they should get the crossover franchises out there. I am so down for a World's Finest or Brave & The Bold feature. One of the most fun aspects of Batman is how he interacts with other heroes and the mainstream film going world has yet to see that.
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3:19AM on 04/24/2012

Dredd

As Nolan's Batman is essentially Judge Dredd - I'm particularly interested in seeing the Dredd film. Also, Dredd, like Bond, is an older character who does not need an origin story.
As Nolan's Batman is essentially Judge Dredd - I'm particularly interested in seeing the Dredd film. Also, Dredd, like Bond, is an older character who does not need an origin story.
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2:46AM on 04/24/2012

Bring the thumbs down

You need to get Nolans dick out of your mouth, the man made 1 good movie and has been tricking everyone since, insomnia sucked, prestige sucked, and both his batman movies sucked, there I said it
You need to get Nolans dick out of your mouth, the man made 1 good movie and has been tricking everyone since, insomnia sucked, prestige sucked, and both his batman movies sucked, there I said it
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2:53AM on 04/24/2012
so its come down to Inception or Memento then right? because those are two movies
so its come down to Inception or Memento then right? because those are two movies
3:01AM on 04/24/2012
The Prestige sucked? Lol, you are obviously a faggot, so yeah, enough said. Nice Avatar too....looks like you are a Tim Burton lover or some kind of Nightmare Before Christmas Emo queer.
The Prestige sucked? Lol, you are obviously a faggot, so yeah, enough said. Nice Avatar too....looks like you are a Tim Burton lover or some kind of Nightmare Before Christmas Emo queer.
3:17AM on 04/24/2012
I got a better idea, DareDevil, why don't you get your own dick out of your own mouth.
I got a better idea, DareDevil, why don't you get your own dick out of your own mouth.
3:40AM on 04/24/2012
@ halflife - So the guy said something you don't agree with. Is that a reason to call him a faggot or a queer?
@ halflife - So the guy said something you don't agree with. Is that a reason to call him a faggot or a queer?
4:04AM on 04/24/2012
I don't seem to remember praising Nolan so much that I want to give him fellatio, DD. Nor did I praise any of his other films. I merely stated that he has (thus far) delivered a great series of Batman films. I have no doubt he will deliver with TDKR, either.

Your "there I said it" doesn't fall in line with exposing some unspoken truth, either. Most people enjoy Nolan's Batman films, so you're in the minority there.

It's cool if you feel passionate about film as that's why the
I don't seem to remember praising Nolan so much that I want to give him fellatio, DD. Nor did I praise any of his other films. I merely stated that he has (thus far) delivered a great series of Batman films. I have no doubt he will deliver with TDKR, either.

Your "there I said it" doesn't fall in line with exposing some unspoken truth, either. Most people enjoy Nolan's Batman films, so you're in the minority there.

It's cool if you feel passionate about film as that's why the majority of people post on here. We like to drum up debate, share our opinions, and maybe even gain some new perspective on what we're discussing.

There are plenty of other threads out there to talk about boners in faces. This ain't it.
4:10AM on 04/24/2012
@Paul - Best.Reply.Ever.
(No hyperbole here)
@Paul - Best.Reply.Ever.
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4:53AM on 04/24/2012
Ill never understand why people have to result in that kind of tone in their post. Its an article, and ppl have opinions... Why can't you just post your opinion and leave the insults. I'm not just referring to DD...

Ill never understand why people have to result in that kind of tone in their post. Its an article, and ppl have opinions... Why can't you just post your opinion and leave the insults. I'm not just referring to DD...

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2:31AM on 04/24/2012
I would like to see Batman Beyond.
I would like to see Batman Beyond.
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5:23AM on 04/24/2012
They were actually planning a live-action Batman Beyond movie in the early 2000s until it got canned in favour of Batman Begins.
They were actually planning a live-action Batman Beyond movie in the early 2000s until it got canned in favour of Batman Begins.
2:18AM on 04/24/2012

nice

i was ready to talk about my dislike for nolan's batman. however this article actually made me bite my tongue. now as far as a new batman story goes, i would love a story based on under the red hood story line, with jon hamm, or thomas gibson, or even bennidct cumberbatch in the role of batman, you could have jason david frank as nightwing. and bryan cranston as the commishioner, and vincent cassel as the joker.
i was ready to talk about my dislike for nolan's batman. however this article actually made me bite my tongue. now as far as a new batman story goes, i would love a story based on under the red hood story line, with jon hamm, or thomas gibson, or even bennidct cumberbatch in the role of batman, you could have jason david frank as nightwing. and bryan cranston as the commishioner, and vincent cassel as the joker.
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2:20AM on 04/24/2012
oh and before i forget johnathan hyde for alfred. for proof watch richie rich he already was alfred in that movie
oh and before i forget johnathan hyde for alfred. for proof watch richie rich he already was alfred in that movie
2:17AM on 04/24/2012
Would love to see this new Batman reboot build up to a Justice League film along with The Man of Steel, Green Lantern 2, and hopefully with also a Flash and Wonder Woman film.

If we can get a Avengers film, there should be no reason we can't a just as great looking Justice League film.
Would love to see this new Batman reboot build up to a Justice League film along with The Man of Steel, Green Lantern 2, and hopefully with also a Flash and Wonder Woman film.

If we can get a Avengers film, there should be no reason we can't a just as great looking Justice League film.
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2:01AM on 04/24/2012

Great Message! Really hits home for me

Paul..
Do you really believe what you said here:
"We want quality and will prove it with our pocketbooks. "

Great message, too bad it will fall on deaf ears, or people who will say they agree but go hand over their money for a batman reboot next year, just after they paid to see the Spiderman reboot.
The Amazing Spiderman reboot is way too soon (as you agreed) yet ppl will not miss it, myself however not included.
Therefore Sony, and other production companies will take heed to this.
Paul..
Do you really believe what you said here:
"We want quality and will prove it with our pocketbooks. "

Great message, too bad it will fall on deaf ears, or people who will say they agree but go hand over their money for a batman reboot next year, just after they paid to see the Spiderman reboot.
The Amazing Spiderman reboot is way too soon (as you agreed) yet ppl will not miss it, myself however not included.
Therefore Sony, and other production companies will take heed to this. In doing so we will see a batman Origin film a lot sooner then we would want too, or should.
I for one do not want to see another batman for at least another 5 years (before they start it, not till its on screen) Nolan and the entire franchise crew, did these films so incredibly well that they will never be forgotten.
IF DC and Warner bros do something too soon, it will only cheapen all the hard work that Nolan, and his team have done.
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2:23AM on 04/24/2012
I firmly believe that if audiences hate a movie, they won't pay for it. Granted, they have to see it first. Consider Batman and Robin, which made money, but not the gangbusters Warner Bros. wanted. After the first ten days in release the money valve was shut off. Audiences saw it for what it was; a joke. Not many repeat viewings for that one, and the fallout took some career's with it (Silverstone, O'Donnell...neither having a role that big onscreen since) and caused director Joel
I firmly believe that if audiences hate a movie, they won't pay for it. Granted, they have to see it first. Consider Batman and Robin, which made money, but not the gangbusters Warner Bros. wanted. After the first ten days in release the money valve was shut off. Audiences saw it for what it was; a joke. Not many repeat viewings for that one, and the fallout took some career's with it (Silverstone, O'Donnell...neither having a role that big onscreen since) and caused director Joel Schumacher to quit "blockbuster" films altogether.

Every one of us has the ability to say "no" to a movie we don't want. The best way to do that is to fuck with the box office. Studios will pay attention real quick. Thankfully, Warner Bros. learned their lesson with Batman and Robin. The hiring of Nolan was a stark example of how much they didn't want to repeat that mess, so they got someone who went the complete opposite direction as Schumacher in tone and vision.

I'm hoping they'll make the right decision again, which is listening to those who will feed their coffers and heed the trends that have given them so much success since Batman graced the screen.

Those who think that Amazing Spider-Man looks like rehashed tedium can make their voice heard loud and clear by not shelling out $12 to see it in theaters. Sony won't get my money for it, I guarantee you. That's a rent on iTunes in 9 months for me. Too soon and too similar.
4:46AM on 04/24/2012
Your a 100% correct about batman and Robin, however that film wasn't done well at all. Take the Amazing Spiderman, this film seems to be done well in the sense that when people leave they may have a change of heart. Im a firm believer as well, that ppl have the ability to say no. However i also believe that ppl don't say no. I have a bad feeling that The Amazing Spiderman will bring in more money than your anticipating, and when that happens I'm fearful that Warner Bros will try to mimic
Your a 100% correct about batman and Robin, however that film wasn't done well at all. Take the Amazing Spiderman, this film seems to be done well in the sense that when people leave they may have a change of heart. Im a firm believer as well, that ppl have the ability to say no. However i also believe that ppl don't say no. I have a bad feeling that The Amazing Spiderman will bring in more money than your anticipating, and when that happens I'm fearful that Warner Bros will try to mimic their doings.

its refreshing to hear your thoughts on The Amazing Spiderman, for myself Sony won't get one cent from me. Not even as a rent, on sheer principle. Anyone can track my posts in any strike back, and on mfc.. and theres not a sentence I've stated that would suggest otherwise.

Great article, wish more writers tried to send this msg to their readers.
10:25AM on 04/24/2012
If The Amazing Spider-Man is a hit and makes a mountain of money, then so be it. I won't begrudge anyone success in their ventures. It simply doesn't appeal to me. I've read Spider-Man comics for the better part of my life and just don't see the merits of watching the same ol', same ol' all over again. For me, it's simply a question of interest...of which I have none.

And I agree the quality of the film is there. It's well shot and well-acted from what we can see thus far...but I fell
If The Amazing Spider-Man is a hit and makes a mountain of money, then so be it. I won't begrudge anyone success in their ventures. It simply doesn't appeal to me. I've read Spider-Man comics for the better part of my life and just don't see the merits of watching the same ol', same ol' all over again. For me, it's simply a question of interest...of which I have none.

And I agree the quality of the film is there. It's well shot and well-acted from what we can see thus far...but I fell like I've seen it all before.

As I've said in the stories I've done on ASM, if it's actually good when I do see it, then I'll eat crow. But, I seriously doubt crow will be on the menu.

Thanks for chiming in, good thoughts.
2:00AM on 04/24/2012
I wouldn't mind seeing Guy Pearce don the Batsuit or Ryan Gosling with Nicolas Winding Refn directing.
I wouldn't mind seeing Guy Pearce don the Batsuit or Ryan Gosling with Nicolas Winding Refn directing.
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1:58AM on 04/24/2012
"GREEN LANTERN is the perfect example of that. Half-assed and aping the tone of IRON MAN, it failed on every level."

I can undestand if you didn't like the film and it could have been a little longer with a little more emphasis with Hal and Sinestro. But to say it failed on every level is just wrong. The movie was entertaining as hell and I thought it was a great origins film. It had great action, humor, and drama to make it the PERFECT Green Lantern film. You can't compare Green Lantern
"GREEN LANTERN is the perfect example of that. Half-assed and aping the tone of IRON MAN, it failed on every level."

I can undestand if you didn't like the film and it could have been a little longer with a little more emphasis with Hal and Sinestro. But to say it failed on every level is just wrong. The movie was entertaining as hell and I thought it was a great origins film. It had great action, humor, and drama to make it the PERFECT Green Lantern film. You can't compare Green Lantern to ANY of the Batman films because the tone is totally opposite. Green Lantern isn't as dark as the Caped Crusader and that's one of the reasons I felt people didn't understand about Green Lantern; that he is not as dark of a superhero as Batman.

Again, I can respect if you didn't like the movie, but it is wrong to say it failed on every level. The movie isn't bad, it's just misunderstood.
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2:32AM on 04/24/2012
Green Lantern barely made it's money back ($200 million budget, $219 in worldwide gross) and was critically panned (27% on Rotten Tomatoes). Those are two pretty damn big levels of failure I'd say.

I've tried to rewatch it numerous times and hate it more with each viewing.

Nothing has changed from my initial thoughts, which you can read here if you are so [link]

I get that some people dig it, but it was a failure, plain and simple. In terms of the business, absolutely. Opinions">
Green Lantern barely made it's money back ($200 million budget, $219 in worldwide gross) and was critically panned (27% on Rotten Tomatoes). Those are two pretty damn big levels of failure I'd say.

I've tried to rewatch it numerous times and hate it more with each viewing.

Nothing has changed from my initial thoughts, which you can read here if you are so [link]

I get that some people dig it, but it was a failure, plain and simple. In terms of the business, absolutely. Opinions are opinions and we've all got our black sheep. And that's just fine (shit, I love Frank Miller's The Spirit for crying out loud and that's about as big a failure as you can get).

Don't hold your breath for a Green Lantern sequel, either. It'll be a long time coming. The only hope he has now is a Justice League film, which at this stage in the game will be a disaster. There's no consistency in their properties, including Batman.

3:03AM on 04/24/2012
Haven't trolled you in awhile...Dude, seriously, no trolling. But you do have some bad taste in movies man. I mean you are so damn easily entertained......your taste mirrors children today going ape over Chipmunk movies, and knock off Pixar animated shit.
Haven't trolled you in awhile...Dude, seriously, no trolling. But you do have some bad taste in movies man. I mean you are so damn easily entertained......your taste mirrors children today going ape over Chipmunk movies, and knock off Pixar animated shit.
3:55AM on 04/24/2012
I got your back Soloist, I thought GL was a really good movie and I'm proud to own it.
I got your back Soloist, I thought GL was a really good movie and I'm proud to own it.
6:31AM on 04/24/2012
look closely at your tongue...i fear you have no taste
look closely at your tongue...i fear you have no taste
1:55AM on 04/24/2012
Arkham City is one of my favorite video games of all time. One of the reasons I think it's so successful is because it has the familiar grit of The Dark Knight and Batman Begins, but it retained the mystical/supernatural aspects of the comics. Don't get me wrong: I love how Batman Begins & The Dark Knight are set in a real, believable universe, but I would love to see a director take on some of those less than believable aspects of the comics, while not crossing over into campy territory (I'm
Arkham City is one of my favorite video games of all time. One of the reasons I think it's so successful is because it has the familiar grit of The Dark Knight and Batman Begins, but it retained the mystical/supernatural aspects of the comics. Don't get me wrong: I love how Batman Begins & The Dark Knight are set in a real, believable universe, but I would love to see a director take on some of those less than believable aspects of the comics, while not crossing over into campy territory (I'm looking at you Batman Forever and Batman & Robin). Kind of like Hellboy. Kind of.
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2:16AM on 04/24/2012
I think this is the route they should take. A little bit of Nolan's tone with alot of Arkham City's mystical/supernatural aspects. Have Robin or Nightwing appear.
I think this is the route they should take. A little bit of Nolan's tone with alot of Arkham City's mystical/supernatural aspects. Have Robin or Nightwing appear.
1:51AM on 04/24/2012
This was a very good article pointing out essential and vital points on how to keep the quality in the Batman films.

My personal choice for the next Bruce Wayne/Batman after Bale hangs up the suit once and for all is Jon Hamm. He has the look, chops, and is the perfect age for an older Batman instead of going the young route again. He can do the womanizer billionaire playboy easily (aka Don Draper) and I could easily see him kicking ass in the Batsuit (he's tall too). This would be
This was a very good article pointing out essential and vital points on how to keep the quality in the Batman films.

My personal choice for the next Bruce Wayne/Batman after Bale hangs up the suit once and for all is Jon Hamm. He has the look, chops, and is the perfect age for an older Batman instead of going the young route again. He can do the womanizer billionaire playboy easily (aka Don Draper) and I could easily see him kicking ass in the Batsuit (he's tall too). This would be perfect casting.
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