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C'mon Hollywood: Have faith in Prometheus!

Apr. 17, 2012by: Andrew Hegele

Listen FOX... I could not have been more pumped for PROMETHEUS, it was one of my most anticipated films of the year, right up there with THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, THE MASTER and DJANGO UNCHAINED. I could not buy a ticket fast enough...

BUT, the longer this rating shit holds out, the less likely it is I'll be seeing it in theaters. If PROMETHEUS receives a PG-13 rating, you can bet my first viewing will be with the extended edition BLU-RAY, which I'll borrow or rent for a dollar from those red vending machines at my grocery store. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a gore hound. I'm not asking for more blood. I'm asking for Ridley Scott's vision and even he agrees that it SHOULD BE RATED R.

At a recent press event in London, Scott explained his point of view:"The question is, do you go for the PG-13, or do you go for what it should be, which is R? Financially it makes quite a difference, or the risk makes quite a difference, and yet you also have to apply the question -- if you soften it, will you financially suffer? As opposed to just going for the throat and gambling." He later added "Were running at one hour and fifty nine minutes and change. In this instance, you've got a pretty good version here, a pretty good cut."

So... What kind of answer is that? Ridley can be pretty modest at times, but when he's speaking about his films THEATRICAL RELEASE, "a pretty good version" doesn't exactly convey a lot of confidence. This continuing PROMETHEUS rating debate is weird to me because I was under the impression they solved this before production even began... There were reports that Scott wanted $250 million dollars and an R rating and FOX contested that, stipulating that $250 million dollars is not worth the investment of a movie that's rated R, so they met in the middle and decided to let him have his R rating with a hundred million dollars less to play with... is this not the case anymore?

Now, I understand a part of this is attributed to something bigger than the way Fox is handling this specific film. In the 80'srated R movies made up41.3% of the total domestic annual income in the box office. That number decreased only slightly in the 90s with 40.6%... Then we get to the 2000s, where only24.7% of their annual income came from rated R movies.With studios relying more and more on $200 million+ event movies and less on a larger selection of modestly budgeted movies, these numbers make some sense. Studios, however rationalize the general dwindling box office during this period by pointing the finger at home video, where the viewing experience became more and more cinematic with DVD's, Blu-Rays and affordable large widescreen TV's. While there is truth to that, the pendulum swings both ways. Between half an hour of commercials and trailers before the film actually starts, being sold extra channels we don't want but can't avoid (3D), digital projection and now this softer edit bullshit that feels no different than a made-for-TV cut it's safe to say the theatrical experience is becoming more and more like television... All of that though is just ONE problem.

To me the more glaring issue when it comes to studios and their ultimate rating decision is how it appears to the general public. When there is just a hint of turmoil between the studio and the director, the MPAA and studio, the theater chains and producers or whoever... we are painted a picture that whatever the hell ultimately ends up on the big screen won't be the intended vision of what everyone hoped for when they started production. Fox, ask yourself, when was the last time a Ridley Scott directors cut turned out to be inferior to a "marketable cut"? Oh right, the only one was the unnecessary re-release directors cut of ALIEN that you forced him to make.The last time you tampered with Ridley Scott's vision, you created a mess with KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, which had a fascinating directors cut and an absolutely putrid theatrical cut.

When you begin to apply the notion of softening Ridley's previous films that were intended to be Rated R it only gets worse. Could the infamous dinner scene in ALIEN have worked with a PG-13 rating? I took a stab at it below... The results are pretty horrible.

Ratings aside, even just the public display of studios attempting to alter their product from what the director inteded it to be in order to chase a wider demographic at the box office can be disastrous, just look at JOHN CARTER. Tampering with PROMETHEUS at this late stage to ensure everyone from my grandmother to my niece can enjoy it is only asking for mediocrity. Warner Brothers recently released their MPAA rating for THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, which is being released a full month and a half after PROMETHEUS. We all knew it was going to be rated PG-13 yet this was headline news with every movie publication. Why you ask? Sure there was speculation over the "sensuality" bit, which is new for Nolan's Batman series but what really made this a headline for fans was how early it came out. The act shows WB's confidence in their filmmaker and their product. Right now there is a final edit of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES somewhere. Letting this slide until the very last minute only shows panic on your end Fox, which comes across to the general public.

What happened to the visionary Sci-Fi project I was led to believe? The project Fox was so confident in they knew it could be it's own movie without ALIEN in the title? I sure as shit hope it's still there.PLEASE allow Scott's true vision to come to the theaters. I won't enjoy boycotting it, but the sacrifice is worth it if the first experience is the true one. I would love to be able to say that about KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and BLADE RUNNER.

Extra Tidbit: Since I brought it up, are there any theatrical cuts you actually PREFER to directors cuts?
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2:04AM on 04/17/2012

It's going to be PG-13.

The budget on Prometheus alone is higher than the worldwide box office intake of pretty much all the prior Alien films. Adjusted for inflation their intake would still barely be considered profitable if the budget had been as high as Prometheus. Simply put, there's no way FOX will release this in theaters with an R-rating. Whether they should for artistic reasons is another discussion altogether, but I doubt anyone at FOX is really concerned about that aspect as much as they are worried about
The budget on Prometheus alone is higher than the worldwide box office intake of pretty much all the prior Alien films. Adjusted for inflation their intake would still barely be considered profitable if the budget had been as high as Prometheus. Simply put, there's no way FOX will release this in theaters with an R-rating. Whether they should for artistic reasons is another discussion altogether, but I doubt anyone at FOX is really concerned about that aspect as much as they are worried about ensuring they don't lose millions upon millions of dollars. It is, after all, at the end of the day, a business for those people. You can fault them but you can also understand it.
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7:04AM on 04/18/2012
Ugh. Why you're comparing 2012 budgets with 1978 grosses I'll never know.

Why you bring up 'popular mostly in the US' Star Trek is another complete fucking mystery worthy of Sherlock motherfucking Holmes. How about apples for apples. Fuck's sake!!!

Alien 3:
Domestic: $55,473,545 34.7%
Foreign: $104,340,953 65.3%

Alien Resurrection:
Domestic: $47,795,658 29.6%
Foreign: $113,580,410 70.4%

From Box Office Mojo.

Alien franchise is mega-popular outside USA
Ugh. Why you're comparing 2012 budgets with 1978 grosses I'll never know.

Why you bring up 'popular mostly in the US' Star Trek is another complete fucking mystery worthy of Sherlock motherfucking Holmes. How about apples for apples. Fuck's sake!!!

Alien 3:
Domestic: $55,473,545 34.7%
Foreign: $104,340,953 65.3%

Alien Resurrection:
Domestic: $47,795,658 29.6%
Foreign: $113,580,410 70.4%

From Box Office Mojo.

Alien franchise is mega-popular outside USA and these films woulda made a lot more if they didn't suck.
5:07PM on 04/17/2012
Regardless of whether overseas box office was a "smaller part of the pie" back then (it wasn't), you still made it sound like I had my facts wrong. We're not using hypothetical arguments. I'm referring to data from the series.

Sci-fi films to this day struggle internationally. The last Star Trek film made the vast majority of its money domestically. Sci-fi films rarely make more internationally than domestically, and particularly a film that doesn't seem to be focused on the action like
Regardless of whether overseas box office was a "smaller part of the pie" back then (it wasn't), you still made it sound like I had my facts wrong. We're not using hypothetical arguments. I'm referring to data from the series.

Sci-fi films to this day struggle internationally. The last Star Trek film made the vast majority of its money domestically. Sci-fi films rarely make more internationally than domestically, and particularly a film that doesn't seem to be focused on the action like Prometheus would probably NOT do as well overseas with a 15 or 18 certificate. And you're wrong about ratings being irrelevant in other countries - in Europe in particular an 18 rating can be a death sentence from a financial standpoint.
4:25PM on 04/17/2012
Overseas BO was a smaller part of the pie back then - NOW it would make $250M easily. The rating would be irrelevant to most non-US countries.

Of course Alien would not have been a hit had it had a $200M budget (or $50M in 1978 dollars) - but it was pretty much unheard of to spend that much on a flick back then. Because you couldn't rely on overseas sales like you can now.

An R-rated PROMETHEUS can hit $150M domestic + $250M overseas. It's all fucking moot now. This will be PG-13.
Overseas BO was a smaller part of the pie back then - NOW it would make $250M easily. The rating would be irrelevant to most non-US countries.

Of course Alien would not have been a hit had it had a $200M budget (or $50M in 1978 dollars) - but it was pretty much unheard of to spend that much on a flick back then. Because you couldn't rely on overseas sales like you can now.

An R-rated PROMETHEUS can hit $150M domestic + $250M overseas. It's all fucking moot now. This will be PG-13.
3:57PM on 04/17/2012
@CaptainPlanet, where do you see "another $250 mil overseas"? Alien made $24 mil overseas. Adjusted for inflation that is not $250 mil. My point stands: with a rumoured budget of close to $200 million after promotional material, etc., Prometheus would have to earn more than $400 mil worldwide to turn a profit (theaters generally keep half of a film's gross). So none of the original films would have been huge hits if their budgets had been as high as Prometheus.
@CaptainPlanet, where do you see "another $250 mil overseas"? Alien made $24 mil overseas. Adjusted for inflation that is not $250 mil. My point stands: with a rumoured budget of close to $200 million after promotional material, etc., Prometheus would have to earn more than $400 mil worldwide to turn a profit (theaters generally keep half of a film's gross). So none of the original films would have been huge hits if their budgets had been as high as Prometheus.
2:03PM on 04/17/2012
damn....Filmaddict just got EXPOSED!

WIth your powers COMBINED!
damn....Filmaddict just got EXPOSED!

WIth your powers COMBINED!
11:54AM on 04/17/2012
Adjusted for inflation, Alien would have made $250M domestic alone. Add another $250M overseas and you got yourself A GIANT MOTHERFUCKING HIT by ANY MOTHERFUCKING STANDARD.
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Adjusted for inflation, Alien would have made $250M domestic alone. Add another $250M overseas and you got yourself A GIANT MOTHERFUCKING HIT by ANY MOTHERFUCKING STANDARD.
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2:05AM on 04/17/2012
Good arguments, but some cunts cannot be reasoned with. They'll compare an excellent PG-13 movie with a shitty R-rated movie and try to reason a harsher rating doesn't make a movie better.

At least this weekend it was nice to see the R-rated Cabin in the Woods ($15M) just rape all over the butchered-for-PG-13 Lockout ($6M).

EDIT: Rumors are trickling in that it's been officially given the PG-13. [link] I'll see you on Blu-Ray, Ridley.
Good arguments, but some cunts cannot be reasoned with. They'll compare an excellent PG-13 movie with a shitty R-rated movie and try to reason a harsher rating doesn't make a movie better.

At least this weekend it was nice to see the R-rated Cabin in the Woods ($15M) just rape all over the butchered-for-PG-13 Lockout ($6M).

EDIT: Rumors are trickling in that it's been officially given the PG-13. [link] I'll see you on Blu-Ray, Ridley.
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2:11AM on 04/17/2012

AGREED

However, the movie will be rated PG-13. The days of having R blockbusters are a thing of the past. With the big budget sequels grabbing the most cash for studios, there is no need to take a financial chance like this, even if it's ridley scott.

EXTRA TIDBIT- Donnie Darko
However, the movie will be rated PG-13. The days of having R blockbusters are a thing of the past. With the big budget sequels grabbing the most cash for studios, there is no need to take a financial chance like this, even if it's ridley scott.

EXTRA TIDBIT- Donnie Darko
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2:56AM on 04/17/2012
I wonder if Canada will get the R version. Here's hoping.
I wonder if Canada will get the R version. Here's hoping.
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2:58AM on 04/17/2012
I refuse to believe that R-rated movies do not have any box-office clout anymore! Such a load of shit! The past few monthes, we've had our more-than-fair share of R-rated movies top the box-office (examples: 21 Jump Street, The Grey, Safe House, Contraband, etc.). Hell, 21 Jump Street and Safe House even broke the $100 million mark in the US alone. This just goes to show with shrewd marketing and/or good word-of-mouth, R-rated can still bring in the big bucks.
I refuse to believe that R-rated movies do not have any box-office clout anymore! Such a load of shit! The past few monthes, we've had our more-than-fair share of R-rated movies top the box-office (examples: 21 Jump Street, The Grey, Safe House, Contraband, etc.). Hell, 21 Jump Street and Safe House even broke the $100 million mark in the US alone. This just goes to show with shrewd marketing and/or good word-of-mouth, R-rated can still bring in the big bucks.
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3:14AM on 04/17/2012

Well put!

Regarding the extra tidbit, The Warriors original cut is by far superior to "the directors vision." I can't stand the comic book scene wipes and it ruins a lot of great scenes.
Regarding the extra tidbit, The Warriors original cut is by far superior to "the directors vision." I can't stand the comic book scene wipes and it ruins a lot of great scenes.
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11:36PM on 04/17/2012
Yes avoid it at all cost! It's actually called "the ultimate directors cut!"
Yes avoid it at all cost! It's actually called "the ultimate directors cut!"
6:57AM on 04/17/2012
Love the Warriors...didn't realize there was a Director's cut...now I'll know to avoid it, thanks!
Love the Warriors...didn't realize there was a Director's cut...now I'll know to avoid it, thanks!
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3:52AM on 04/17/2012

It's going to be PG-13

there's no doubt in my mind, but there is something that should have been mentioned here as well: R rated movies not earning as much money as PG-13 is basically a myth. Sure the rating might help with getting HUGE numbers. If I'm not mistaken all of the billion dollar earners are PG-13. But let's be honest, Prometheus will never earn as much, no matter the rating. By now I think it's safe to say that it might be hurt more by PG-13. Because movies make money based on buzz. You can advertise as
there's no doubt in my mind, but there is something that should have been mentioned here as well: R rated movies not earning as much money as PG-13 is basically a myth. Sure the rating might help with getting HUGE numbers. If I'm not mistaken all of the billion dollar earners are PG-13. But let's be honest, Prometheus will never earn as much, no matter the rating. By now I think it's safe to say that it might be hurt more by PG-13. Because movies make money based on buzz. You can advertise as much as you want but it's always the people talking that makes them excited. Avatar was hyped up for ten years, TDK had to be preceded by a great Batman Begins movie, which also had a good marketing campaign but didn't fair as well because of the bad taste left by B&R. Or just have Johnny Depp in your movies and foreign audiences go apeshit. As for today Prometheus has only got good things said about it, but the buzz can die down very quickly if bad news starts to spread. Then people tend to get extra carefull, less excited. As studboi69 mentioned, there are still a lot of R movies in just 2012 that earned a hell lot of money in US alone. And let's not forget that they weren't even close to being highly anticipated. They were just run of the mill comedies and action movies. But with Prometheus you'll also get a large income from foreign cinemas, where countries do not have the same puritan ratings as in US so you don't have to worry about the cut as much any longer (and cutting down the version for only US only makes the audiences angry and dissinterested, as seen with Lockout). I don't understand why producers still fail to grasp the power of foreign markets, they're larger than ever and give you more artistic freedom...

But as I mentioned at the beginning it's going to be PG-13 because of some misguided faith of the producers in this rating. And it would be even fine with me if they announced it at the start! If I had a feeling this was their intended cut. Becuase I'm pretty sure that the original Alien might have got a PG-13 if it was released today. I don't think that Ridley's Prometheus needs to be all that gore friendly. It was all about the mood and tension in the original. But as soon as I hear that cuts are made in order to get a specific rating, I start questioning the entire artistic integrity of the movie and lose interest. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I know it's longer than a usual comment but thanks for staying with me on this one. I just hope there's a way to get this opinion into the mainstream so that the studios would hear it and think more clearly.
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4:23AM on 04/17/2012

Regarding the extra tidbit....

I prefer the theatrical cut of Donnie Darko to the director's cut.
I prefer the theatrical cut of Donnie Darko to the director's cut.
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4:25AM on 04/17/2012
MPAA is made up of fucking soccer moms and people who have nothing to do on the given day. Watch the doc "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" exposes the bullshit system it truly is.
MPAA is made up of fucking soccer moms and people who have nothing to do on the given day. Watch the doc "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" exposes the bullshit system it truly is.
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4:26AM on 04/17/2012

Give this an R rating.

Fox are cunts.
Fox are cunts.
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5:05AM on 04/17/2012

The director's cut of TROY sucks..

Mainly because they replaced the perfect music in the Hector/Achilles fight..
Mainly because they replaced the perfect music in the Hector/Achilles fight..
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5:42AM on 04/17/2012

why cant..

they just release both, as with 3d, why is there sometimes no non 3d versions out there.
and with this is it really that hard to release both simaltaneously.
they just release both, as with 3d, why is there sometimes no non 3d versions out there.
and with this is it really that hard to release both simaltaneously.
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6:21AM on 04/17/2012

re tidbit

I actually prefer LOTR theatrical cut. With the Extended DVD versions you would never be able to have a marathon.
I actually prefer LOTR theatrical cut. With the Extended DVD versions you would never be able to have a marathon.
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6:59AM on 04/17/2012
Disagree totally. First, we did the marathon the week they released the boxed set of the extended cuts. Began at 10am on Saturday and went through 11pm. Not bad for a bunch of middle age geeks.

Second, the detail added with the extended cuts enhanced the story, making it flow better overall.
Disagree totally. First, we did the marathon the week they released the boxed set of the extended cuts. Began at 10am on Saturday and went through 11pm. Not bad for a bunch of middle age geeks.

Second, the detail added with the extended cuts enhanced the story, making it flow better overall.
6:51AM on 04/17/2012
Really? What's 12 hours when you are already spending 10 watching the theatrical cuts? I've had that Extended DVD marathon on several occasions.
Really? What's 12 hours when you are already spending 10 watching the theatrical cuts? I've had that Extended DVD marathon on several occasions.
6:52AM on 04/17/2012
Very good write-up. I especially liked the argument you made about theater becoming like television. Nice!.. However, I'm mostly there for the enormous screen.

As for the rating, I just want the version Ridley Scott initially created. If he created a PG13 then that's what I'll watch. If he created an R, then that's what I want to see.
Very good write-up. I especially liked the argument you made about theater becoming like television. Nice!.. However, I'm mostly there for the enormous screen.

As for the rating, I just want the version Ridley Scott initially created. If he created a PG13 then that's what I'll watch. If he created an R, then that's what I want to see.
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6:53AM on 04/17/2012

Extra tidbit

Apocalypse Now Redux (if that counts) and, er... Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

....What?
Apocalypse Now Redux (if that counts) and, er... Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.

....What?
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7:18AM on 04/17/2012
Agreed, re: Apocalypse Now. What the hell was that whole French Villa scene about?
Agreed, re: Apocalypse Now. What the hell was that whole French Villa scene about?
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6:56AM on 04/17/2012

Tidbit: Blade Runner

The director's cut of Blade Runner was a total shitfest. The removal of Harrison Ford's voice-over completely changed the tone and understandability of the movie.

As to Prometheus, I don't see how the "Alien prequel" can be anything to R.
The director's cut of Blade Runner was a total shitfest. The removal of Harrison Ford's voice-over completely changed the tone and understandability of the movie.

As to Prometheus, I don't see how the "Alien prequel" can be anything to R.
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7:30AM on 04/17/2012
...I'm pretty sure you're the only person in existence who likes that emotionless voice over...
...I'm pretty sure you're the only person in existence who likes that emotionless voice over...
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7:44AM on 04/17/2012

There's a lot actually

So I am sitting here thinking about the director's cut of movies and there are a lot that come to mind where the theatrical cut is better than the directors cut.

Two due to pacing issues:
Hellboy and The Frighteners are great movies (in my opinion) but the director's cut has additional scenes added in. There is nothing wrong with the additional scenes, they are written well, acted well, and directed well, they just screw up the pacing and make the movie feel too long.

Horrible added in
So I am sitting here thinking about the director's cut of movies and there are a lot that come to mind where the theatrical cut is better than the directors cut.

Two due to pacing issues:
Hellboy and The Frighteners are great movies (in my opinion) but the director's cut has additional scenes added in. There is nothing wrong with the additional scenes, they are written well, acted well, and directed well, they just screw up the pacing and make the movie feel too long.

Horrible added in scenes:
Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, I love Alan Rickman but all of his additional scenes are HORRIBLE!! They are written poorly, they don't add anything to the story and actually, they screw up the pacing of the movie. I bought this DVD, watched it once and I will never watch it again...so bad.

Terminator 2:
The added in scenes weren't very good and the alt ending was horrible.

...hmm, that's all I can think of...for now. I am sure that there is more though.
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8:31AM on 04/17/2012
The theatrical cut of Nic Cage's The Wicker Man was way funnier than the alternative cut released on DVD, and being unintentionally hilarious was most of what that movie had going for it
The theatrical cut of Nic Cage's The Wicker Man was way funnier than the alternative cut released on DVD, and being unintentionally hilarious was most of what that movie had going for it
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8:35AM on 04/17/2012
This isn't any big shocker. They been doing this to movies for a long time now. They release a bit milder version to assure they make their money and then us hard-core fans get to enjoy the directors true version on blu-ray. Its just business. Not every money decision can be based upon the directors artistic vision. They need to be assured they are going to make a profit. Prometheus will make a profit either way but a PG-13 could be the difference between a 200 million dollar film compared to
This isn't any big shocker. They been doing this to movies for a long time now. They release a bit milder version to assure they make their money and then us hard-core fans get to enjoy the directors true version on blu-ray. Its just business. Not every money decision can be based upon the directors artistic vision. They need to be assured they are going to make a profit. Prometheus will make a profit either way but a PG-13 could be the difference between a 200 million dollar film compared to a 125 million dollar film with an R-rating. I also wish they would release it as Scott wants it to be seen but I also have no problem waiting for the blu ray version. I will still see this in PG-13 format and anyone else drooling for this film who says they wont is just plain lying to themselves.
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9:27AM on 04/17/2012
I agree with you completely. Warner Bros. is doing it right by releasing the rating to the Dark Knight Rises early on proving their confidence. Fox is just scared that they won't make money. They can dish out mediocre romantic comedies, but a beautifully dark film like Prometheus can't get any type of love?
I agree with you completely. Warner Bros. is doing it right by releasing the rating to the Dark Knight Rises early on proving their confidence. Fox is just scared that they won't make money. They can dish out mediocre romantic comedies, but a beautifully dark film like Prometheus can't get any type of love?
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9:58AM on 04/17/2012

Please be R

So if they gave him $150 million as a budget, so he could have his R rating, doesn't that mean it will most likely grab that R rating? I mean if that was a prior agreement shouldn't the likely hood be high?

Also an R rated movie can make over $150 million at the BO. The Hangover did it. And with all the marketing going on for Prometheus (viral and otherwise) I think they're really creating good buzz.

Fox has a terrible habit of ruining movies, but Ridley's been in the biz too long for
So if they gave him $150 million as a budget, so he could have his R rating, doesn't that mean it will most likely grab that R rating? I mean if that was a prior agreement shouldn't the likely hood be high?

Also an R rated movie can make over $150 million at the BO. The Hangover did it. And with all the marketing going on for Prometheus (viral and otherwise) I think they're really creating good buzz.

Fox has a terrible habit of ruining movies, but Ridley's been in the biz too long for this to be an issue.
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10:08AM on 04/17/2012

what difference does it make??

I'm sorry, but I just don't see what difference it makes if it's R or PG-13; especially if nothing was cut to attain the lighter rating. I just want to see a good movie, as should all of you, regardless of the rating. And the assertion by some of you that you're going to boycott the film if it's PG-13 (which apparently it will be) is utterly ridiculous. Could it be beyond the realm of possibility that it's PG-13 because there's nothing in the film that would require an R rating to begin with?
I'm sorry, but I just don't see what difference it makes if it's R or PG-13; especially if nothing was cut to attain the lighter rating. I just want to see a good movie, as should all of you, regardless of the rating. And the assertion by some of you that you're going to boycott the film if it's PG-13 (which apparently it will be) is utterly ridiculous. Could it be beyond the realm of possibility that it's PG-13 because there's nothing in the film that would require an R rating to begin with? just sayin'
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10:04PM on 04/17/2012
totally agree, I mean a rating for a movie was just not an issue 10 or 15 years ago. Look at how people went apeshit on this site when they thought Expendables 2 was gonna possibly get a PG-13. Its fanboy BS like OMG its not cool to go see PG-13 movies.
totally agree, I mean a rating for a movie was just not an issue 10 or 15 years ago. Look at how people went apeshit on this site when they thought Expendables 2 was gonna possibly get a PG-13. Its fanboy BS like OMG its not cool to go see PG-13 movies.
11:16AM on 04/17/2012
When an R rated movie is playing on TBS, TNT, AMC, etc., do you watch it edited on TV or do you put in the R rated DVD?
When an R rated movie is playing on TBS, TNT, AMC, etc., do you watch it edited on TV or do you put in the R rated DVD?
10:30AM on 04/17/2012
The thing is, this is just not a movie that will attract the 13, 14, and 15 year olds. They have no knowledge - let alone attachment - to Alien and Aliens; this film has no star they will know/recognize; it looks dark and long; they will not even remotely come close to understanding anything about the trailer. Even if it's PG-13, you will not get droves of 13-16 year olds placing their dumb asses in the seats. This is an adult film. Ergo, giving it an R rating (if that's what Ridley's version
The thing is, this is just not a movie that will attract the 13, 14, and 15 year olds. They have no knowledge - let alone attachment - to Alien and Aliens; this film has no star they will know/recognize; it looks dark and long; they will not even remotely come close to understanding anything about the trailer. Even if it's PG-13, you will not get droves of 13-16 year olds placing their dumb asses in the seats. This is an adult film. Ergo, giving it an R rating (if that's what Ridley's version should get) shouldn't affect box office that much. This film will live and die on the backs of 30+ year olds who know Ridley, his work, and who love Alien and Aliens. Furthermore, Fox are, and always have been, a bunch of lobotomized dicks; why anyone still works with them is beyond me. Oh, yeah... that's right. Money. All this, and the MPAA is outmoded and should be put out of its misery. Films that get rated R in the USA get the equivalent of a PG-13 here in Canada... and no one has died yet.
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2:15PM on 04/17/2012
This goes to half life...I agree in some aspect your shitty TV comment but only to standard local channels, but cable TV I think is exponentially better I mean you've got game of thrones, breaking bad, the walking dead, Dexter, the list goes on honestly I think cable TV is so much better than films now days.
This goes to half life...I agree in some aspect your shitty TV comment but only to standard local channels, but cable TV I think is exponentially better I mean you've got game of thrones, breaking bad, the walking dead, Dexter, the list goes on honestly I think cable TV is so much better than films now days.
1:54PM on 04/17/2012
One reason is because kids these days have grown up with shit ass movies, they wouldn't know a good movie if it bit them in the ass.....why do you think TV and movie quality is so shitty today? Because as a society we are getting dumber and dumber.
One reason is because kids these days have grown up with shit ass movies, they wouldn't know a good movie if it bit them in the ass.....why do you think TV and movie quality is so shitty today? Because as a society we are getting dumber and dumber.
10:45AM on 04/17/2012

Thank you for honing in on the pivotal issue with ratings:

that a movie should be what it's supposed to be without being softened to fit a PG-13. Way too often these diatribes are just bandwagon support for the R rating, like an R garuntees quality or "realism". We don't need more R rated movies; we need more movies that accomplish the vision of the creators.
that a movie should be what it's supposed to be without being softened to fit a PG-13. Way too often these diatribes are just bandwagon support for the R rating, like an R garuntees quality or "realism". We don't need more R rated movies; we need more movies that accomplish the vision of the creators.
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10:47AM on 04/17/2012
I just dont get how a demographic spanning 4 years (13-16) is more important to the box office numbers than a demographic spanning 60 years (17-77). The "PG-13 makes more money" is an excuse that studios use because they don't know how to market a movie correctly.


Anyone remember when T2 had the largest budget of any movie at its time of release? It had an R rating, and the first terminator didn't have that big of a following at the time. Put some effort into good marketing and making a
I just dont get how a demographic spanning 4 years (13-16) is more important to the box office numbers than a demographic spanning 60 years (17-77). The "PG-13 makes more money" is an excuse that studios use because they don't know how to market a movie correctly.


Anyone remember when T2 had the largest budget of any movie at its time of release? It had an R rating, and the first terminator didn't have that big of a following at the time. Put some effort into good marketing and making a good product rather than blindly saying "give it a PG-13" and you might be surprised that R movies can make money too.
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11:10AM on 04/17/2012
I also think that some of the harder R movies are to blame a little bit for making parents not allow their kids to see R movies. Parents probably think that every R movie is going to show dick, pussies, have over 100 "fucks" and people's heads exploding, which may not be the case. Parents need to research movies. My parents were fine with T2, Speed, Scream, etc., but not fine with Basic Instinct, Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction, etc. Start promoting websites similar to Kids in Mind if you're
I also think that some of the harder R movies are to blame a little bit for making parents not allow their kids to see R movies. Parents probably think that every R movie is going to show dick, pussies, have over 100 "fucks" and people's heads exploding, which may not be the case. Parents need to research movies. My parents were fine with T2, Speed, Scream, etc., but not fine with Basic Instinct, Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction, etc. Start promoting websites similar to Kids in Mind if you're movie isn't a hard R.
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11:25AM on 04/17/2012
And why can't they release a PG-13 and R rated version, much like the King's Speech and Saturday Night Fever.* They release movies in 3d and 2d. And this thing will be playing on multiple screens at every theater anyway.

*The PG-13 King's Speech and PG SNF didn't make nearly as much as the R versions.
And why can't they release a PG-13 and R rated version, much like the King's Speech and Saturday Night Fever.* They release movies in 3d and 2d. And this thing will be playing on multiple screens at every theater anyway.

*The PG-13 King's Speech and PG SNF didn't make nearly as much as the R versions.
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11:52AM on 04/17/2012

Not gonna happen

No movie company in their right mind are going to put out a R rated tent pole. They did that with Watchmen and it bombed. Realizing, of course, the Rating was the least of that movies problems. Of course there's no guarantee PG-13 will do a movie any better cough*John Carter* cough. But they are not going to limit their audience when there is tens or even hundreds of millions at stake. Not gonna happen.
No movie company in their right mind are going to put out a R rated tent pole. They did that with Watchmen and it bombed. Realizing, of course, the Rating was the least of that movies problems. Of course there's no guarantee PG-13 will do a movie any better cough*John Carter* cough. But they are not going to limit their audience when there is tens or even hundreds of millions at stake. Not gonna happen.
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11:52AM on 04/17/2012

yikes

sorry, double post
sorry, double post
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12:19PM on 04/17/2012
Sooooo when are we getting rid of the MPAA?....
Sooooo when are we getting rid of the MPAA?....
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12:25PM on 04/17/2012
Be thankful that the movie (a) got made and (b) can be seen on home video in an uncut version.

Ridley Scott is playing nice because he wants to make a sequel to Prometheus. Guess what? I want him to make a sequel to Prometheus too. I watched Alien again last week and the movie is goddamn awesome. Even the diretor's cut.
Be thankful that the movie (a) got made and (b) can be seen on home video in an uncut version.

Ridley Scott is playing nice because he wants to make a sequel to Prometheus. Guess what? I want him to make a sequel to Prometheus too. I watched Alien again last week and the movie is goddamn awesome. Even the diretor's cut.
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1:50PM on 04/17/2012
I'll bet Alien and Aliens would not be as awesome if they were made PG-13. You are such a tool, and the type of person that shouldn't be allowed to have kids. Go take them to a shitty 3d movie or something.
I'll bet Alien and Aliens would not be as awesome if they were made PG-13. You are such a tool, and the type of person that shouldn't be allowed to have kids. Go take them to a shitty 3d movie or something.
12:28PM on 04/17/2012
For those wondering why PG-13 can be such a big deal. Anyone here a dad? Anyone here have kids? Anyone going to take their kids to see Prometheus if it were PG-13? If it was R? If you can't take your kids, are you going to go anyway or wait for home video?
For those wondering why PG-13 can be such a big deal. Anyone here a dad? Anyone here have kids? Anyone going to take their kids to see Prometheus if it were PG-13? If it was R? If you can't take your kids, are you going to go anyway or wait for home video?
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9:59PM on 04/17/2012
I don't know about you but where I live parents still take their kids to R rated films, I saw kids at Dragon Tattoo of all movies.
I don't know about you but where I live parents still take their kids to R rated films, I saw kids at Dragon Tattoo of all movies.
1:49PM on 04/17/2012
I was taken to Rated 'R' flicks as a kid, after my parents would see them first and make a judgement on if it was ok for me to see. I saw T-2 when I was 9, and all the Alien movies growing up. I didn't turn into a psycho, and my mom is the best. You as a parent need to know if your kid is a retard who can't handle 'R' or just quit being a pussy. This isn't going to be rated 'R' for intense sex or insane violence like a horror movie. Use your fucking head.
I was taken to Rated 'R' flicks as a kid, after my parents would see them first and make a judgement on if it was ok for me to see. I saw T-2 when I was 9, and all the Alien movies growing up. I didn't turn into a psycho, and my mom is the best. You as a parent need to know if your kid is a retard who can't handle 'R' or just quit being a pussy. This isn't going to be rated 'R' for intense sex or insane violence like a horror movie. Use your fucking head.
12:43PM on 04/17/2012
Kids shouldn't be at an R-rated flick. BUT you as a parent can bring children into an R-rated movie if you want. That's called 'a choice'. Something that is denied to everyone else with edits to make everything 'kid friendly'. There are plenty of kid friendly movies out there without having to ruin the few movies that come out for adults each year by editing the shit out of them.
Kids shouldn't be at an R-rated flick. BUT you as a parent can bring children into an R-rated movie if you want. That's called 'a choice'. Something that is denied to everyone else with edits to make everything 'kid friendly'. There are plenty of kid friendly movies out there without having to ruin the few movies that come out for adults each year by editing the shit out of them.
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12:38PM on 04/17/2012
If it's PG-13,then I'm waiting for the dvd. There are movies that by their very nature and subject matter should be released with an 'R' rating, otherwise you may as well just watch it on cable. Can you imagine "Cabin in the Woods" working as a PG-13 movie? Of course not.

Honestly, if studios want to play it safe, maybe they should just release animated movies about fluffy creatures that are voiced by Wil Smith and spout pop culture references that were dead 15 minutes after they were
If it's PG-13,then I'm waiting for the dvd. There are movies that by their very nature and subject matter should be released with an 'R' rating, otherwise you may as well just watch it on cable. Can you imagine "Cabin in the Woods" working as a PG-13 movie? Of course not.

Honestly, if studios want to play it safe, maybe they should just release animated movies about fluffy creatures that are voiced by Wil Smith and spout pop culture references that were dead 15 minutes after they were spawned. Because if children are the only demographic you're going for, you're going to lose a lot more money in the long run by lower attendance.
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1:16PM on 04/17/2012

I wonder if a contract between Ridley and FOX exist

FOX agreed to give Ridley a 150 million budget and an R-rating. If FOX breaches this agreement and slams Prometheus with PG-13. Ridley should sue.
FOX agreed to give Ridley a 150 million budget and an R-rating. If FOX breaches this agreement and slams Prometheus with PG-13. Ridley should sue.
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1:56PM on 04/17/2012

R

I will only see this in theaters if rater R. Otherwise I'll wait for it to come out on blu ray,and then I'll borrow it from some one. When did it become more about the dollar, and less about telling a compelling story, without pulling back. Come on Hollywood.
I will only see this in theaters if rater R. Otherwise I'll wait for it to come out on blu ray,and then I'll borrow it from some one. When did it become more about the dollar, and less about telling a compelling story, without pulling back. Come on Hollywood.
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2:54PM on 04/17/2012

Seriously guys?

You are all over reacting. It doesn't matter what the rating is. Scott has been very bipolar when talking about the ratings. In that one quote of him saying there's a "pretty good cut" he also said that the one released is the definitive cut and exactly what the director's cut would be. Ratings are pretty different today, sure there can't be a lot of gore, but you can make the tone SO dark that its completely brutal, just look at The Dark Knight. Every single thing that has been released for
You are all over reacting. It doesn't matter what the rating is. Scott has been very bipolar when talking about the ratings. In that one quote of him saying there's a "pretty good cut" he also said that the one released is the definitive cut and exactly what the director's cut would be. Ratings are pretty different today, sure there can't be a lot of gore, but you can make the tone SO dark that its completely brutal, just look at The Dark Knight. Every single thing that has been released for this has looked fucking brilliant, the cast is one of the best I've ever seen and its Ridley Scott making sci-fi. Who the fuck cares if its pg-13?! How about you wait until people have seen the cut that is released before getting butt hurt. It all seems super immature "if I can't have it my way I won't even go" fucking good! Stay home. I don't want your whining ruining my movie going experience.
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3:24PM on 04/17/2012
You are missing the point. Ridley says "the film SHOULD be Rated R." He didn't design this movie to be PG-13. Just take a look at that ALIEN PG-13 edit. I have no doubt the film will be great but I would rather spend the 20 dollars it costs to see a 3D movie in theaters for the FULL EXPERIENCE.
You are missing the point. Ridley says "the film SHOULD be Rated R." He didn't design this movie to be PG-13. Just take a look at that ALIEN PG-13 edit. I have no doubt the film will be great but I would rather spend the 20 dollars it costs to see a 3D movie in theaters for the FULL EXPERIENCE.
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3:18PM on 04/17/2012
This is kind of a mixed bag, but what it all boils down to is Fox's greed. Warner Brother's had no issue making Matrix Reloaded with an R rating and it still had one of the highest opening weekends ever. I understand the two movies differ in tone, but they're both sci-fi and roughly cover the same demographic. Personally, I don't really care what the rating is as long as it's good, which begs the question. Is it? I have faith in Scott and really, REALLY want to see this, and this is just
This is kind of a mixed bag, but what it all boils down to is Fox's greed. Warner Brother's had no issue making Matrix Reloaded with an R rating and it still had one of the highest opening weekends ever. I understand the two movies differ in tone, but they're both sci-fi and roughly cover the same demographic. Personally, I don't really care what the rating is as long as it's good, which begs the question. Is it? I have faith in Scott and really, REALLY want to see this, and this is just throwing an idea out there, but maybe it didn't test well and Fox is shitting their hush puppies. I doubt it, but only time will tell.
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3:47PM on 04/17/2012
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3:47PM on 04/17/2012

Re. TIDBIT

Leon and Donnie Darko....literally watch my standard def theatricals over my Blu-Ray Director's
Leon and Donnie Darko....literally watch my standard def theatricals over my Blu-Ray Director's
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4:14PM on 04/17/2012

Blah

I have a feeling this movie is going to be a glorifed bomb, just like Thor, Captain America, John Carter, and Immortals...
I have a feeling this movie is going to be a glorifed bomb, just like Thor, Captain America, John Carter, and Immortals...
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9:55PM on 04/17/2012
the first 2 were not bombs, & the last 2 were just horrible thats the difference
the first 2 were not bombs, & the last 2 were just horrible thats the difference
7:08PM on 04/17/2012
I hope it gets the true rating so Ridley can show us his true vision of the movie, however I am not gonna be immature and boycott it because it gets a PG-13 trating
I hope it gets the true rating so Ridley can show us his true vision of the movie, however I am not gonna be immature and boycott it because it gets a PG-13 trating
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9:57PM on 04/17/2012
Well if a well respected director like Ridley Scott can't get the movie he wants because of ridiculous studio demands then whats the point, this is FOX we are talking about. This whole directors vsion & waiting for the blu ray release is just a fanboys excuse.
Well if a well respected director like Ridley Scott can't get the movie he wants because of ridiculous studio demands then whats the point, this is FOX we are talking about. This whole directors vsion & waiting for the blu ray release is just a fanboys excuse.
9:48PM on 04/17/2012
there's nothing "immature" about waiting for the blu-ray to see the directors intended vision. Especially when 3D ticket prices are up to 20 dollars in major cities.
there's nothing "immature" about waiting for the blu-ray to see the directors intended vision. Especially when 3D ticket prices are up to 20 dollars in major cities.
9:52PM on 04/17/2012
Sigh this is just another excuse to debate the PG-13 vs R rating? If a studio doesn't have faith in a movie especially one directed by Ridley Scott then why even greenlight it in the first place? To be honest I really do not care if its PG-13 or R & if THAT is the ONLY reason a person will NOT watch this movie then they are a complete dumbass & needs to get a life. Thumbs me down all you want.
Sigh this is just another excuse to debate the PG-13 vs R rating? If a studio doesn't have faith in a movie especially one directed by Ridley Scott then why even greenlight it in the first place? To be honest I really do not care if its PG-13 or R & if THAT is the ONLY reason a person will NOT watch this movie then they are a complete dumbass & needs to get a life. Thumbs me down all you want.
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10:05PM on 04/17/2012
The studios only ever seem to care about the rating because theatrical gross money is the "prestige" number that the public sees. They could obviously give a shit about young eyes seeing something too mature for them because once the DVD comes out, it's unrated and has all the naughty bits put back in where any kid with twenty bucks can buy it at Wal-Mart. Meanwhile the theater cards people and kids would be less likely to get in anyway. But that DVD money doesn't generate a number that the
The studios only ever seem to care about the rating because theatrical gross money is the "prestige" number that the public sees. They could obviously give a shit about young eyes seeing something too mature for them because once the DVD comes out, it's unrated and has all the naughty bits put back in where any kid with twenty bucks can buy it at Wal-Mart. Meanwhile the theater cards people and kids would be less likely to get in anyway. But that DVD money doesn't generate a number that the public sees so it can never be thrown in our faces that it was a success after the theatrical run ends. I say let Ridley do his thing. I can't believe that there is a universe in which the man responsible for Blade Runner, Alien and so many others answers to ANYone.
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11:41PM on 04/17/2012
this is the reason i do not go to the movies anymore go ahead slap a pg-13 rating on it since studio manipulation worked so well with terminator salvation with its pg-13 rating and picking apart the movie right?atleast prometheus has already been filmed.ill wait for the unrated dvd if it gets a pg-13 rating
this is the reason i do not go to the movies anymore go ahead slap a pg-13 rating on it since studio manipulation worked so well with terminator salvation with its pg-13 rating and picking apart the movie right?atleast prometheus has already been filmed.ill wait for the unrated dvd if it gets a pg-13 rating
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10:13PM on 04/18/2012

Well said

When I first clicked on this I was sure it would be another article heaping praise on a film that hasn't even seen daylight yet (I actually read an article on this site comparing a film to PROMETHEUS's greatness, even though PROMETHEUS hasn't been released), but this is a well thought out and well written article on the possible negative effects of the PG-13 albatross on the film. Can you imagine the classic R-rated action films of the 70s and 80s (which must have been great because we
When I first clicked on this I was sure it would be another article heaping praise on a film that hasn't even seen daylight yet (I actually read an article on this site comparing a film to PROMETHEUS's greatness, even though PROMETHEUS hasn't been released), but this is a well thought out and well written article on the possible negative effects of the PG-13 albatross on the film. Can you imagine the classic R-rated action films of the 70s and 80s (which must have been great because we continually revisit them) if they had been forced to meet the PG-13 standard? Robocop? Predator? Please. I know Dark Knight did PG-13 well, but as a viewer I can always sense the ratings limitations on screen. I hope PROMETHEUS is an extraordinary film, but the PG-13 does nothing to encourage my belief that it will be. Even Scott seems simply resigned to a lesser version of his vision.

Good article. Excellent examples and reasoning.
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