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C'mon Hollywood: Listen to the fans (they know better)!

Feb. 19, 2013by: Paul Shirey

Last week I went and saw a little movie called A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD and, like many of you, walked out feeling like an asshole for shelling out $8 bucks to a tired, shitty, brain-dead entry in a bottoming out franchise. I hit the Internet once I got home and immediately saw that Bumbray had posted his review and sure enough he confirmed that the movie was a festering turd. I reiterated as much in the strikeback and then continued reading what everyone else posted throughout the next few days, many of them with ideas on what they should’ve done. And you know what? Every single idea posted by fans was a thousand times better than the celluloid shit sandwich we were served.

Almost a year ago exactly I posted a column about doing a fifth DIE HARD right. Now, I don’t expect that every Fox exec is chomping at the bit to find out what some geeky columnist on a movie news site has to say and that’s just fine. But, if you reread my advice in that column, you’ll note that they did almost everything I told them NOT to do. And guess what happened? Well, they made a piece of shit, that’s what. Now, I’m one voice amongst many, but take a look and see if you disagree. I’m a movie geek extraordinaire, like most of you, and we all generally feel the same when it comes to what we want to see. In many ways, we are elitist movie pricks, but with good reason; We have all spent more time watching, analyzing, and studying the films we love more so than your average moviegoer who has A NIGHT AT THE MUSUEM in their DVD collection.

We know our shit. We pride ourselves on it. We know, more often than not, who should be cast in what, who should direct, who should score the music, what direction a film should take, etc. We know, and it’s not because we’re highly opinionated (we are), it’s because we f*cking care. That’s right! We care! We, the fans, obviously care more about what happens to the characters we’ve followed throughout the years than those in charge of them and it gets tiring watching studios beat them into the ground, leaving us scratching our heads with the absurdity of their decisions.

Who read the script for A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD and thought it was great? Or even serviceable? Who thought it was a good idea to put McClane in Russia when there are thousands of locations that would’ve served the character of McClane better? How did two movies about the White House being taken over by terrorists get made without the words DIE HARD in them? It’s simple DIE HARD math, people!

Pretty much on the nose...and I would've rather seen this as a film than the fifth entry we got.

By contrast, let’s look at another franchise, which has gotten better over time; THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS. What started out as a fun romp, which led to a cheesy follow-up, then an even cheesier follow-up, suddenly went full throttle in part four and is now kicking all forms of ass with each new entry. Inspired casting, a dedicated producer/director, faithfulness to the brand, while expanding the action, and introducing new characters and conflicts that keep us involved in the story is the very recipe of success to the F&F franchise.

So, how did that happen? Well, for one, the studio and the producers believed in the brand. Second, they listened to the fans. That’s right, they merged their fan base via social media and provided an outlet and a voice to those who cheered it on, which led to some outstanding choices, including the casting of Dwayne Johnson in FAST FIVE and bringing back Michelle Rodriguez for FAST AND FURIOUS 6. The producers encourage the actors to promote the film themselves via their own social media outlets and engage fans one-on-one via these outlets. It’s a true merger of the craft and those that support it. Vin Diesel sums it up perfectly, saying, “If we take the time to listen, we will have a better movie.”

DIE HARD...meet the new DIE HARD.  It's called THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS. Deal with it.

Now, I’m not saying that fans should run Hollywood. Okay, maybe they should, but let’s not get off track here. What I’m saying is that oftentimes Hollywood gets way too cocky in the way they pursue their projects, treating fans like bottom-feeding crybabies who pound cash into lifeless films to keep the gears turning and none of it matters (i.e. fan opinion). And, in some ways, they’re right. Because despite its awfulness, A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD won the weekend. It may be a decent success for the studio, but it’s an utter failure to audiences and the very picture of lazy, uninspired filmmaking that feels like a slap in the face.

And, it didn’t have to be that way. All it would’ve taken was the studio hiring a few interns to scroll through some movie sites and get some feedback. Don’t give us a mock “R” or after-the-fact CGI blood and call that “listening.” Give us character development, inspired casting, a true conflict, a story arc, etc. Pretty much, just go buy Robert McKee’s “Story” and go from there. If you can’t do that, then maybe it’s time to start a Facebook page and listen to what your fans are saying, because in many cases, they have a hell of a lot of better ideas in a comment thread than you have in a stack of screenplays.

Extra Tidbit: What franchise/series do you think is most in need of some fan intervention?
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7:18PM on 03/25/2013

Maybe

There needs to be a balance...I think the movie-makers should listen to the movie-goers (fans and fanboys) and use that advice as icing on the cake. There are tons of movies that IF they listened to the fans, they would do so much better.
There needs to be a balance...I think the movie-makers should listen to the movie-goers (fans and fanboys) and use that advice as icing on the cake. There are tons of movies that IF they listened to the fans, they would do so much better.
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3:34PM on 02/20/2013

a little extreme

the problem with this premise is that it assumes that A) Fans are unanimous in what they want, and B) Fans are equal in storytelling talent. All you have to do is scan any of the articles about The Expendables 2, and you'll see a range of opinion - and a range of perspective and sophistication. A lot of fans just want to see shit blow up, and accuse anybody else of not being a true action fan. A lot of people who visit this site just want to see oversimplified action garbage, and have a chip on
the problem with this premise is that it assumes that A) Fans are unanimous in what they want, and B) Fans are equal in storytelling talent. All you have to do is scan any of the articles about The Expendables 2, and you'll see a range of opinion - and a range of perspective and sophistication. A lot of fans just want to see shit blow up, and accuse anybody else of not being a true action fan. A lot of people who visit this site just want to see oversimplified action garbage, and have a chip on their shoulders for independent festival-bound films. And then there's some people who have some thoughtful things to say. At the end of the day, studios should take more risks (even if that means making films with smaller production budgets) and listen to directors and writers with a vision. I'm pretty sure there are some fans who posted on this site that they thought the most recent Die Hard was a fun time. Fans aren't the answer, any more than unscrupulous, risk averse studio heads. Talented filmmakers are the way to go.

Also - a fan site like this proves, if nothing else, there is a core group of haters for every single movie ever made. You make a list of awesome films, and people will come out of the woodwork to not only shit on all of them, but shit on the people who like them to validate their opinions.
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3:55PM on 02/20/2013
Well said!
Well said!
2:02PM on 02/20/2013
Haven't disagreed with C'mon Hollywood in a long time. Letting the fans decide the fate of movie series and movies is the worst thing studios can do right now. Listen to writers, not fanboys. They don't know what they want and will mess things up monumentally.
Haven't disagreed with C'mon Hollywood in a long time. Letting the fans decide the fate of movie series and movies is the worst thing studios can do right now. Listen to writers, not fanboys. They don't know what they want and will mess things up monumentally.
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9:33AM on 02/20/2013

For Years

This is specifically for Paul. I left a comment earlier below, and wanted you to check the response. Anyone else is more than welcome to join. The point is though, for years this web site was around to cheer on movies like Die Hard 5, and bash the crap the Wes Anderson, and Daron Aronofsky make. In the real world people don't like that crap. You talk to real people, not us "movie elitists" and they like this stuff. Talk to a co-worker, and find out that they might think Transformers 2, (which I
This is specifically for Paul. I left a comment earlier below, and wanted you to check the response. Anyone else is more than welcome to join. The point is though, for years this web site was around to cheer on movies like Die Hard 5, and bash the crap the Wes Anderson, and Daron Aronofsky make. In the real world people don't like that crap. You talk to real people, not us "movie elitists" and they like this stuff. Talk to a co-worker, and find out that they might think Transformers 2, (which I disagree with) is the best one. Or that they really liked Terminator Salvation. Or even that Die Hard 5 was great fun. All I'm asking is that you start judging movie on what they are. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. But maybe the website should hire a more diverse group of reviewers. Would you really rather have some "artist" make a Die Hard with blank faces, and father son revelations? That would tank in the real world because that's not what people want.
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6:43AM on 02/20/2013

Counter-example

The X-Men franchise: fans want to see Bishop and Gambit and Cable and Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse but a movie with all those characters in addition to the ones already established would be overcrowded like X-Men 3, Wolverine or Spiderman 3.
The X-Men franchise: fans want to see Bishop and Gambit and Cable and Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse but a movie with all those characters in addition to the ones already established would be overcrowded like X-Men 3, Wolverine or Spiderman 3.
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1:07AM on 02/20/2013
so sad! John Mcclane deserves better. Haven't seen it yet. I guess it will be a dvd rental at best.
so sad! John Mcclane deserves better. Haven't seen it yet. I guess it will be a dvd rental at best.
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11:51AM on 02/20/2013
Not even. Wouldn't even sit through it on a flight. It's painful. Like sticking your pecker in a paper shredder painful. Honestly, would rather see a man spread eagle with his sack on display, being serviced by a ravenous billy goat than ever sit through that veritable piece of hippo shit ever again.
Not even. Wouldn't even sit through it on a flight. It's painful. Like sticking your pecker in a paper shredder painful. Honestly, would rather see a man spread eagle with his sack on display, being serviced by a ravenous billy goat than ever sit through that veritable piece of hippo shit ever again.
1:01AM on 02/20/2013
so sad! John Mcclane deserves better. Haven't seen it yet. I guess it will be a dvd rental at best.
so sad! John Mcclane deserves better. Haven't seen it yet. I guess it will be a dvd rental at best.
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11:53PM on 02/19/2013

I usually think your articles are spot on; this article seems off.

If Hollywood listened to the fans, Heath Ledger would have never been the Joker. Fans are just as crazy as the people who run Hollywood. Ive meet countless people who think the Star Wars prequels are just as good as the original. Some who just didnt understand Drive or wished it had more driving in it. The Dredd DVD/Blu Ray is selling like hot cakes, but where were these people when it was playing it theaters? How many movies have been ruined because of screening the movie early and the
If Hollywood listened to the fans, Heath Ledger would have never been the Joker. Fans are just as crazy as the people who run Hollywood. Ive meet countless people who think the Star Wars prequels are just as good as the original. Some who just didnt understand Drive or wished it had more driving in it. The Dredd DVD/Blu Ray is selling like hot cakes, but where were these people when it was playing it theaters? How many movies have been ruined because of screening the movie early and the movie not testing well with the audience? While, I understand the point you are trying to make about the Fast and Furious series and as enjoyable as Fast Five is, its completely bonkers due to the number of plot holes.
Producers, writers, actors, movie theaters, the fans, those who illegally watching movie - the whole Hollywood eco-system is fucked,
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11:39AM on 02/20/2013
Dredd screwed itself by going 3D. There are a finite amount of 3D theaters in most areas, and Dredd wasn't a popular enough name in the States not to get ousted from theaters the moment a bigger 3D movie came around.
Dredd screwed itself by going 3D. There are a finite amount of 3D theaters in most areas, and Dredd wasn't a popular enough name in the States not to get ousted from theaters the moment a bigger 3D movie came around.
4:56PM on 02/20/2013
I agree with you Hoyle, but it was a movie the fans loved.
I agree with you Hoyle, but it was a movie the fans loved.
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11:21PM on 02/19/2013

Die Hard 5 wasn't a bad film, nor a good one.

"A Good Day To Die Hard" wasn't a good film, but it certainly wasn't a bad one. At this point how can people be shocked if a later entry film to a series is so-so? The next Die Hard film needs:
-Christmas Eve with snow
-Old faces from previous films (Holly)
-A great, smart, cunning, and evil villain with great dialogue from a well known actor.
-Enough of the 21st Century John McClane. Have 80's style action, without McClane acting like a super hero.
-A good story and plot that makes
"A Good Day To Die Hard" wasn't a good film, but it certainly wasn't a bad one. At this point how can people be shocked if a later entry film to a series is so-so? The next Die Hard film needs:
-Christmas Eve with snow
-Old faces from previous films (Holly)
-A great, smart, cunning, and evil villain with great dialogue from a well known actor.
-Enough of the 21st Century John McClane. Have 80's style action, without McClane acting like a super hero.
-A good story and plot that makes sense.
-And an R rating.
This it that fucking hard Hollywood!?!?!
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10:05PM on 02/19/2013

I'm really not understanding all this. . .

Sorry - double posted on me
Sorry - double posted on me
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9:51PM on 02/19/2013

I'm really not understanding all this. . .

So every person I've talked with in person really enjoyed the new Die Hard. It has a 82% Positive User rating on Rotten Tomatoes and a 5.9 User rating on IMDB, which are both good scores for an action flick. So it seems that the majority of the world really enjoyed this movie, why is everyone acting like it's the worst thing since Indiana Jones 4. I saw it and I can tell you that the reviews for it here and across the web are totally off. Anyone who things that this installment isn't true to
So every person I've talked with in person really enjoyed the new Die Hard. It has a 82% Positive User rating on Rotten Tomatoes and a 5.9 User rating on IMDB, which are both good scores for an action flick. So it seems that the majority of the world really enjoyed this movie, why is everyone acting like it's the worst thing since Indiana Jones 4. I saw it and I can tell you that the reviews for it here and across the web are totally off. Anyone who things that this installment isn't true to the others needs to watch them again.
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6:22AM on 02/20/2013
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has a 78% Positive User rating on Rotten Tomatoes and a 6.3 User rating on IMDB, which are both good scores for an action flick.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has a 78% Positive User rating on Rotten Tomatoes and a 6.3 User rating on IMDB, which are both good scores for an action flick.
8:54PM on 02/19/2013

so it was..

this bad, sad to hear.
this bad, sad to hear.
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8:54PM on 02/19/2013

100% agree

Great submission Paul, had me laughing through the first two paragraphs. Hollywood should be paying more attention to us because the attention given pays off for them and us fans. It is a win/win situation both parties can gain from. We movie hungry public get better films and they make more $$$ on selling more tickets when we are willing to pay $9 on a seat to see a quality film.
Great submission Paul, had me laughing through the first two paragraphs. Hollywood should be paying more attention to us because the attention given pays off for them and us fans. It is a win/win situation both parties can gain from. We movie hungry public get better films and they make more $$$ on selling more tickets when we are willing to pay $9 on a seat to see a quality film.
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7:33PM on 02/19/2013

Not all fans know better.

Think about it.
Think about it.
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8:48PM on 02/19/2013
Okay.
Okay.
6:47PM on 02/19/2013
For someone who claims in his article to speak for hardcore movie fans you seem to have had to defend your position to a good majority of the people in this comment section. Maybe you don't think as much for the hardcore movie fans as much as you think you do. That's the problem with a lot of hardcore movie fans in general is that they are very opinionated and all of them think they are the one that is right. That would make listening to the hardcore movie fans a little bit difficult for
For someone who claims in his article to speak for hardcore movie fans you seem to have had to defend your position to a good majority of the people in this comment section. Maybe you don't think as much for the hardcore movie fans as much as you think you do. That's the problem with a lot of hardcore movie fans in general is that they are very opinionated and all of them think they are the one that is right. That would make listening to the hardcore movie fans a little bit difficult for Hollywood because there is no way they could ever please them all.
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8:48PM on 02/19/2013
If there's any defense, it's one someone makes an incorrect statement, such as yourself. I don't claim to speak for anyone. I'm "one voice amongst many" as clearly stated in the article.

Did we not come here to read about and discuss movies? So, what's the problem?

I think one of the problems that arises from comment threads is that people will come in like divebombers...drop their "bombs" and fly away. I think you're confusing defense with conversation and debate. The column is
If there's any defense, it's one someone makes an incorrect statement, such as yourself. I don't claim to speak for anyone. I'm "one voice amongst many" as clearly stated in the article.

Did we not come here to read about and discuss movies? So, what's the problem?

I think one of the problems that arises from comment threads is that people will come in like divebombers...drop their "bombs" and fly away. I think you're confusing defense with conversation and debate. The column is called C'mon Hollywood. It's meant to get folks talking, myself included. And look at that, it even got something out of you. ;)
9:27PM on 02/19/2013
"I’m a movie geek extraordinaire, like most of you, and we all generally feel the same when it comes to what we want to see."
"I’m a movie geek extraordinaire, like most of you, and we all generally feel the same when it comes to what we want to see."
9:49PM on 02/19/2013
Hey, it's cool Dr_Fruitless. I won't wait for your Christmas card this year.
Hey, it's cool Dr_Fruitless. I won't wait for your Christmas card this year.
10:26PM on 02/19/2013
Wow, people like you baffle me and one of the reasons I don't cruise Joblo as much as I used to (being a loyal reader for over ten years now). Maybe you should reread your own article.

"I’m a movie geek extraordinaire, like most of you, and we all generally feel the same when it comes to what we want to see. In many ways, we are elitist movie pricks, but with good reason; We have all spent more time watching, analyzing, and studying the films we love more so than your average moviegoer who
Wow, people like you baffle me and one of the reasons I don't cruise Joblo as much as I used to (being a loyal reader for over ten years now). Maybe you should reread your own article.

"I’m a movie geek extraordinaire, like most of you, and we all generally feel the same when it comes to what we want to see. In many ways, we are elitist movie pricks, but with good reason; We have all spent more time watching, analyzing, and studying the films we love more so than your average moviegoer who has A NIGHT AT THE MUSUEM in their DVD collection."

For someone who claims to be just one voice amongst many you have the word "we" stated five times in just two sentences. Who are the "we" then as clearly you must mean only the people who agree with you which are only the real "fans" out there. You should know that as a professional writer that every word you use and how they are laid out in a sentence affect the meaning of what you are saying. I love reading about and discussing movies however you have felt the need to have the last word on every single comment that has been made on your article that didn't outright praise your opinion. That's what drew my attention as it wasn't the article itself. I actually agree with some of your points in the article (in particular about the Fast and Furious franchise) but I felt the need to defend my fellow movie fans that you have been trashing in the comments section who apparently didn't agree fully with you. This part being pure speculation but I get the feeling you wrote an article bashing the new Die Hard movie and expected unanimous praise for doing so then found that some people really didn't share your opinion which based on what I'm seeing is about half your readers. I'm not defending Die Hard 5 here either as I've not actually seen the movie yet but again defending movie fans who are being bashed by "movie elitist pricks" (your words not mine). You do realize that your job on this website is to write articles about movies and hopefully promote "discussion" and not to piss off half your viewers that keep this website up and running with your incessant need to be right when it comes to what amounts to nothing more than an opinion.
5:41PM on 02/19/2013
LOL hollywood listening to the fans? What a joke! Then fans would ask Nathan Fillion to be cast in every role. It's a lose lose situation, fans wanted Venom in Spidey 3 & it's loathed as the worst in the series. It's all about money in hollywood period.Plus I will go out of the way & say we did not need any more Die Hard movies period, the series is tainted now. Let the series die & what hollywood really needs to do is stop doing unneeded remakes & sequels. Another thing Hollywood needs to do
LOL hollywood listening to the fans? What a joke! Then fans would ask Nathan Fillion to be cast in every role. It's a lose lose situation, fans wanted Venom in Spidey 3 & it's loathed as the worst in the series. It's all about money in hollywood period.Plus I will go out of the way & say we did not need any more Die Hard movies period, the series is tainted now. Let the series die & what hollywood really needs to do is stop doing unneeded remakes & sequels. Another thing Hollywood needs to do is give more creative freedom to who they hire & not these corporate ass kissers. Look at The Avengers & you will see a movie done right, it was a Joss Whedon product in every way.

If anything you would think Bruce Willis would at least have a say or put input, because it's his character, it's not like he is some up & coming actor. I would hate to say it but Willis is just as much at fault for where the franchise has gone.
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1:07AM on 02/20/2013
yea, but we wanted Venom! Not what they gave us, which was not Venom! It was some mock copy of Venom.
yea, but we wanted Venom! Not what they gave us, which was not Venom! It was some mock copy of Venom.
2:13PM on 02/19/2013

Complete Agreement

I totally agree with what you're saying. I have not re-read your previous column about Die Hard yet, but I will after I finish this. Don't want to lose my thought. But I felt this entry basically just listened to fans' opinions about the last movie being PG-13 instead of R, so they instead just made the R version of Live Free or Die Hard. Which was a horrible way to go. If they had truly listened to fans, they would have known the biggest problem with that movie was not the PG-13 rating,
I totally agree with what you're saying. I have not re-read your previous column about Die Hard yet, but I will after I finish this. Don't want to lose my thought. But I felt this entry basically just listened to fans' opinions about the last movie being PG-13 instead of R, so they instead just made the R version of Live Free or Die Hard. Which was a horrible way to go. If they had truly listened to fans, they would have known the biggest problem with that movie was not the PG-13 rating, but was the entire story. They have truly lost the John McClane everyman with this franchise and instead turned him into a cross between Jason Bourne and Ethan Hunt. My biggest problem with this movie was about it being in Russia, the entire time I was watching this movie I just kept thinking "why did this story have to happen in Russia?" "Why could they not transplant this story to anywhere in America?" The entire film made no sense and was completely out of place as a Die Hard film.
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2:08PM on 02/19/2013

I will be seeing Die Hard 5 tomorrow...

... with my expectations very very low. And I will probably agree with the majority that it's a bad movie.
Now, I must say that I really liked Live Free or Die Hard, and never understood the hate. And I consider myself as a true Die Hard fan, since I watch and enjoy these movies AT LEAST one time a year, in the chronological order. Die Harder is my least favourite. Maybe because it's too close to the original. And I never thought "Live Free... doesn't feel like a Die Hard movie". To me, it
... with my expectations very very low. And I will probably agree with the majority that it's a bad movie.
Now, I must say that I really liked Live Free or Die Hard, and never understood the hate. And I consider myself as a true Die Hard fan, since I watch and enjoy these movies AT LEAST one time a year, in the chronological order. Die Harder is my least favourite. Maybe because it's too close to the original. And I never thought "Live Free... doesn't feel like a Die Hard movie". To me, it does. And John McClane is not exactly the same, and that's a good thing. He's 20 years older. So, maybe a little character development is a good idea... in this case. "They made John McClane a superhero!". I call bullshit on that. The guy jumped from the roof of the Nakatomi Plaza with a fire hose ! He broke the record of the longest jump on a jetski ! He survived grenade explosions by ejecting himself off a plane ! He fought bad guys on the wing of a moving plane ! He surfed on a truck ! He jumped off a brick bridge with a car ! He fell down from a bridge onto a boat ! He survived a crazy explosion by jumping in the water at the last minute !
So maybe, just maybe, these movies have been over the top from moment he jumped off that roof in Die Hard. Live Free is no different and it's a damn good action film.
"DIE HARD...meet the new DIE HARD. It's called THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS. Deal with it." Don't. Just don't. Fast five was good but it was a long shot to get this franchise there and it's still ONE good movie in a series of 5. Let see if the next one delivers before saying stuff like this. There is not one single character in this franchise that is as awesome as John McClane in ANY of the Die Hard franchise. This is MY 'elitist movie prick' opinion. Deal with it. (how cheesy is that line ?)
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2:15PM on 02/19/2013
Very cheesy. You're welcome.

McClane was awesome in the first three Die Hards. Then, he was recast as Bruce Willis. Vin Diesel has been consistent at Dom in the Fast franchise and the supporting cast has become a great bit of back-up players. Paul Walker has been....well, Paul Walker, so there's no defense there.

Bringing in The Rock for Fast Five worked out tremendously (which the fans fought for) and now he's a welcome addition to the cast. Now, with Gina Carano and Luke Evans
Very cheesy. You're welcome.

McClane was awesome in the first three Die Hards. Then, he was recast as Bruce Willis. Vin Diesel has been consistent at Dom in the Fast franchise and the supporting cast has become a great bit of back-up players. Paul Walker has been....well, Paul Walker, so there's no defense there.

Bringing in The Rock for Fast Five worked out tremendously (which the fans fought for) and now he's a welcome addition to the cast. Now, with Gina Carano and Luke Evans joining the fray and Michelle Rodriguez back in the mix you have even more reason to be excited. The point is that the franchise gets better with age, not worse. Why on God's Green Earth can't Die Hard do the same?

Jai Courtney was, in my opinion, the best thing about DH5. The rest of the cast, including Bruce Willis as Bruce Willis brought nothing spectacular. The lamest villain(s) of the franchise.

I would rather watch Battleship than A Good Day To Die Hard. Ouch. God, that hurt to say.
2:33PM on 02/19/2013
To me Die Hard 4 dealt with an older John McClane. He hasn't been "John McClane" for some time but you still see glimpses of him when shit happens. I really see John McClane in Live Free... so no prob for me.

Dom is not an interesting character to me and Paul Walker... you just said it. F&F rely exclusively on the supporting players for entertainment between action scenes... which means that the story in itself is not very compelling. At least, to me.
I completely agree that The Rock is the
To me Die Hard 4 dealt with an older John McClane. He hasn't been "John McClane" for some time but you still see glimpses of him when shit happens. I really see John McClane in Live Free... so no prob for me.

Dom is not an interesting character to me and Paul Walker... you just said it. F&F rely exclusively on the supporting players for entertainment between action scenes... which means that the story in itself is not very compelling. At least, to me.
I completely agree that The Rock is the best thing that happened in F&F and was bummed to see Diesel defeat him in that testosterone-fueled fight. The Rock should have his own action-adventure franchise and not for kids. Why can't we see a sequel/new adventure from his Rundown character ??? 10 fucking years later. Such a wasted action star with actual talent !

I'm looking forward to see Courtney if you say it's a good addition. He was good in Jack Reacher which gave me hope for DH5. As I said, my expectation are very low.
But I'm sure that Battleship comment of yours was just the angry "elitist movie prick" in you talking...
It has to be...
Oh. no.
2:48PM on 02/19/2013
Ha ha! No, seriously. I would watch Battleship again over DH5 if I had to choose between the two. If there was a third option to be waterboarded by Jason Clarke, I would take that.

Jai Courtney was really good in Jack Reacher and he's fine in DH5. I think he has a lot of potential to move up the Hollywood ladder and take on some better roles, action or not.

I can't agree more on The Rock. His best films, to me, are The Rundown and Fast Five. He has the charisma and stamina to
Ha ha! No, seriously. I would watch Battleship again over DH5 if I had to choose between the two. If there was a third option to be waterboarded by Jason Clarke, I would take that.

Jai Courtney was really good in Jack Reacher and he's fine in DH5. I think he has a lot of potential to move up the Hollywood ladder and take on some better roles, action or not.

I can't agree more on The Rock. His best films, to me, are The Rundown and Fast Five. He has the charisma and stamina to carry just about any action franchise, but he makes terrible choices. Raise your hand if you're excited to see him in Brett Ratner's Hercules? Ugh.

I wouldn't say Dom is an amazing character; just consistent. McClane, at least in the first 3 films, was much more compelling. I used to hate Live Free or Die Hard, but now, compared to A Good Day To Die Hard, it's like the Citizen Kane of action movies.

Good luck with your screening of DH5...as Han Solo would say..."You're gonna need it."
3:08PM on 02/19/2013
That quote made my expectations for Die Hard go full circle : when I heard it was written by Skip Woods and directed by John Moore, the first thing I said to myself was "I've got a bad feeling about this..."

Anyway, thanks for the geeky conversation !
That quote made my expectations for Die Hard go full circle : when I heard it was written by Skip Woods and directed by John Moore, the first thing I said to myself was "I've got a bad feeling about this..."

Anyway, thanks for the geeky conversation !
3:14PM on 02/19/2013
That's what this site is all about! I love cuttin' it up with everyone here.
That's what this site is all about! I love cuttin' it up with everyone here.
1:59PM on 02/19/2013

Fox lost me at "Screenplay by Skip Woods" and "Directed by John Moore."

Tom Rothman has consistently been one of the worst things to happen to film in decades. He sh*t on the "Die Hard" franchise twice, nearly tanked the "X Men" franchise and is responsible for a host of awful films. Can't tell you how glad I am that he's gone.
I won't be seeing this film. They lost me when they chose the hack screenwriter and hack director. It has to be said though that Willis, as the steward of the series (and pretty much the only person who's been there from the start),
Tom Rothman has consistently been one of the worst things to happen to film in decades. He sh*t on the "Die Hard" franchise twice, nearly tanked the "X Men" franchise and is responsible for a host of awful films. Can't tell you how glad I am that he's gone.
I won't be seeing this film. They lost me when they chose the hack screenwriter and hack director. It has to be said though that Willis, as the steward of the series (and pretty much the only person who's been there from the start), should've known better than to make this turd. He hasn't been 'John McClane' in years.
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1:12PM on 02/19/2013
While I will relent that Die Hard 5 was probably bad. I can't say for certain because I didn't even bother to see it. I find your "elitist movie prick" attitude to be profoundly annoying. We don't all feel the same way about every movie we see and I take offense to you acting like you speak for all of us.
While I will relent that Die Hard 5 was probably bad. I can't say for certain because I didn't even bother to see it. I find your "elitist movie prick" attitude to be profoundly annoying. We don't all feel the same way about every movie we see and I take offense to you acting like you speak for all of us.
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1:16PM on 02/19/2013
I think you're taking the elitist movie prick thing too seriously. You know as well as I do that the uber fans, namely the majority of the people who are really into film can be off putting to average moviegoers who don't care about who directed what or who plays which character etc. I don't pretend to speak for anyone; as I said in the piece "I'm one voice amongst many," which includes you. So, relax, dude.

I think you're taking the elitist movie prick thing too seriously. You know as well as I do that the uber fans, namely the majority of the people who are really into film can be off putting to average moviegoers who don't care about who directed what or who plays which character etc. I don't pretend to speak for anyone; as I said in the piece "I'm one voice amongst many," which includes you. So, relax, dude.

1:55PM on 02/19/2013
Hope it didn't ruin your day Dr. Fruitness, and you're able to put this egregious example of elitism behind you. Is there a bowl you can smoke?
Hope it didn't ruin your day Dr. Fruitness, and you're able to put this egregious example of elitism behind you. Is there a bowl you can smoke?
12:25PM on 02/19/2013
I do respect your opinion and the opinion of others about this movie but there are some that enjoy it like myself. I understand it is nowhere near as good as the original three but to even do a movie like that again would have a load of critics trashing it for being a rehash pf the original three and it would get trashed also.

And they should listen to the fans. Hopefully since this movie was a box office success we get one more movie that is as good but have it taking place at the White
I do respect your opinion and the opinion of others about this movie but there are some that enjoy it like myself. I understand it is nowhere near as good as the original three but to even do a movie like that again would have a load of critics trashing it for being a rehash pf the original three and it would get trashed also.

And they should listen to the fans. Hopefully since this movie was a box office success we get one more movie that is as good but have it taking place at the White House which was your suggestion above would have been completely unoriginal also. There are a few good ideas running around but having McClane at the White House is not one.
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12:41PM on 02/19/2013
Why not? It's not about reinventing the wheel, it's about remaining consistent with the nature of the series.

Off the top of my head: Jai Courtney is a secret service agent working at the White House. McClane is visiting the family, now living in D.C, still trying to get his shit together as a recovering alcoholic and estranged father and goes to visit the White House, where his son works. While there, terrorists (led by another Gruber sibling, played by Fassbender or someone cool with
Why not? It's not about reinventing the wheel, it's about remaining consistent with the nature of the series.

Off the top of my head: Jai Courtney is a secret service agent working at the White House. McClane is visiting the family, now living in D.C, still trying to get his shit together as a recovering alcoholic and estranged father and goes to visit the White House, where his son works. While there, terrorists (led by another Gruber sibling, played by Fassbender or someone cool with an accent) takes over the white house. McClane and son team up to fight them off, while coordinating efforts with back-up characters on the outside (a la Al Powell, FBI, etc.).

Is it original? Of course not. It's a sequel to a franchise. It meets expectations, adds some new layers and a new setting and off we go.
12:45PM on 02/19/2013
While that would be a great idea for us hardcore fans the movie would still have been widely torn apart for rehashing old ideas.
While that would be a great idea for us hardcore fans the movie would still have been widely torn apart for rehashing old ideas.
1:17PM on 02/19/2013
That's a given. But it could still be done well.
That's a given. But it could still be done well.
2:29PM on 02/19/2013
Cant the gruber family rest in piece? Enough with them, if you would include that and the white house, fans would just be bitching about the rehashing and typical "hollywood has no new ideas". Look, I understand why some people didnt like A Good Day... But I dont think a retread is the answer.
Cant the gruber family rest in piece? Enough with them, if you would include that and the white house, fans would just be bitching about the rehashing and typical "hollywood has no new ideas". Look, I understand why some people didnt like A Good Day... But I dont think a retread is the answer.
12:22PM on 02/19/2013
Oh god. This is so facepalm worthy I feel like I need to have a giant statue of a hand fall on my face for how big of a facepalm this article is. The main problem with die hard is pretty much the same as what happens with music artists. The original first few albums become legendary and serve as the pinacle of the excellence but as new albums hit in the later years people start to grade that artist lower and lower until even the artist''s latest albums are considered incredibly inferior even
Oh god. This is so facepalm worthy I feel like I need to have a giant statue of a hand fall on my face for how big of a facepalm this article is. The main problem with die hard is pretty much the same as what happens with music artists. The original first few albums become legendary and serve as the pinacle of the excellence but as new albums hit in the later years people start to grade that artist lower and lower until even the artist''s latest albums are considered incredibly inferior even before they are released. Thats why some newer artists rarely release any new albums because people rarely in hindsight give that artist any of the same expectations that they once had when the first album was released. That is what has happened to many movie series whether it be LOTR, Star Wars, Die Hard, Indiana Jones, and many other movie trilogies. As for putting it in the hands of the fans and listening to them, thats an insanely bad idea. The problem is similar to what happened to robo cop in robo cop 2. At one point robo cop goes in for a little repair and OCP decides to bow to numerous idiots with ideas of what they think should be in robo cops programming. As a result there are hundreds of idiotic suggestions made that turns his programming into a litteral gibberish full of non sense bs that people want in just for the heck of it. Only when the programming is utterly cleared completely does robo cop begin to function normally again. That is what needs to be done to a lot of movies. No studios execs wanting things in the movie. No intrest groups looking to push an agenda in a movie. No blithering idiot fan boy trolls wanting things a certain way in the movie. Just do it straight without any of that bull and you got a good movie. Thats after all what made some movies work in the first place. No outside interaction or people wanting to put things in from their own ideas. That is what will help fix die hard. Don't let the world dictate how it should be and if some people don't like it than they can go sit on cactus.
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12:34PM on 02/19/2013
I'm facepalming your facepalm.

Your argument neglects to mention the Fast and Furious franchise, which gets better with age. Actually, the whole "they get worse with age" argument is void. For every John Carpenter there's a Clint Eastwood or Steven Spielberg or Ridley Scott, etc., who continue to get better and better. Sure, they have some misfires, but mostly they are continuing to build a tremendous body of work. Also, Lord of the Rings got better, not worse. And Indy is at least 3
I'm facepalming your facepalm.

Your argument neglects to mention the Fast and Furious franchise, which gets better with age. Actually, the whole "they get worse with age" argument is void. For every John Carpenter there's a Clint Eastwood or Steven Spielberg or Ridley Scott, etc., who continue to get better and better. Sure, they have some misfires, but mostly they are continuing to build a tremendous body of work. Also, Lord of the Rings got better, not worse. And Indy is at least 3 for 4, which ain't bad at all. Star Wars is bitterly debated, so there's no clear answer there.

It's ironic that you use Robocop 2 as a staple of your argument, especially when that's another franchise that sank fast.

2:26PM on 02/19/2013
Paul, I agree with you that jeanericruser's argument is flawed, in that it is possible to produce quality follow-ups, but I also think there is a point in regards to nostalgia. Fans have the tendency to put older projects up on a pedestal and be more critical of more recent material. However, perception isn't always the same as reality. Just because a fan has fond memories and dismisses more recent material does not mean that the work itself is bad. A good work of art is good no matter
Paul, I agree with you that jeanericruser's argument is flawed, in that it is possible to produce quality follow-ups, but I also think there is a point in regards to nostalgia. Fans have the tendency to put older projects up on a pedestal and be more critical of more recent material. However, perception isn't always the same as reality. Just because a fan has fond memories and dismisses more recent material does not mean that the work itself is bad. A good work of art is good no matter what, and bad is bad. There is something to be said of preference, but there are elements that will always be considered poor, such as technique, writing, etc. Nostalgia can make good movies seem bad in comparison and bad movies seem good by association. For all those who say that A Good Day To Die Hard is a bad Die Hard movie, how many would even consider it a fun movie if Die Hard was not in the title?

Paul, I respectfully disagree with you on one thing: Ridley Scott is not getting better. Look at his filmography and tell me what recent movie could be considered great even without comparing to his early work? Robin Hood? A Good Year? Body of Lies? Prometheus even has many detractors, most blaming the script, but Ridley Scott was heavily involved in the story. So, how is Ridley Scott getting better?
2:53PM on 02/19/2013
[link] a response to your query in another thread below. Hit me back there.
[link] a response to your query in another thread below. Hit me back there.
4:08PM on 02/19/2013
Oh you want to hear my thoughts on fast and furious. The first succeeded but the problem was that it did in fact fail quite badly primarily in 2 and 3 which had little if anything to do with the original franchise other than having one of the cast members in it from one of the previous movies. FF4 only worked cause it went back to the original source material to continue one with what happened in the first movie. The fifth strayed again but relied mostly on star power and being an old fashioned
Oh you want to hear my thoughts on fast and furious. The first succeeded but the problem was that it did in fact fail quite badly primarily in 2 and 3 which had little if anything to do with the original franchise other than having one of the cast members in it from one of the previous movies. FF4 only worked cause it went back to the original source material to continue one with what happened in the first movie. The fifth strayed again but relied mostly on star power and being an old fashioned heist flick. This latest one seems to be not nearly as coherent as the previous flicks as they seem to now be just trying to do a story on the fly with star power of vin diesel and the rock holding it together. Sadly fan support will matter little for ff6 unless they can find away an actual direction to take the story as they left it pretty decent in the last movie for the franchise to finally be closed.

As for the director list, you failed to get the analogy. With each each movie the original material is placed on a higher and higher pedistal with more asked for from each artist. This has less to do with the directors and more to do with the movies that are being judged. Lotr whether you realize it or not was placed on a higher pedestal with each movie which is why it took twice the effort for each movie to be even better. Thats why when hobbit came out there was such a massive amount of demands on how epic the movie should be that low and behold what happens, bomb! Hobbit may have been great as the first one but sadly its success was not quite the same as again expectations were so incredibly high that it failed.

As for the reference to robo cop 2, that is an example of what happens when a franchise has an extreme amount of tampering. The first was perfect as it was untouched by the studios and rewriters where is the later movies had greater and greater tampering. When the third movie was milked and done they switched to a tv series format which was itself tampered on a regular basis. Robo cop the original succeeded cause no one but the director and the original writer had the full control but in the end thanks to all those who intervened it was turned into one giant turd which to this day is once again floating to the surface with a remake that seems to fall apart due to studio interference at every turn.
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12:04PM on 02/19/2013

Here's a suggestion

If a particular movie is getting shitty reviews, DON'T GO SEE IT. Money is the sole motivating factor to major studios and they will continue to serve up crap if people continue to rush immediately to the theaters. Also, paying the going rate for a movie "just to see how shitty it is" is just feeding the beast. Studio heads don't care about the scathing review (after you've paid for admission) on your blog. They just look at how many bajillion dollars the movie mad on opening weekend.
If a particular movie is getting shitty reviews, DON'T GO SEE IT. Money is the sole motivating factor to major studios and they will continue to serve up crap if people continue to rush immediately to the theaters. Also, paying the going rate for a movie "just to see how shitty it is" is just feeding the beast. Studio heads don't care about the scathing review (after you've paid for admission) on your blog. They just look at how many bajillion dollars the movie mad on opening weekend.
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11:40AM on 02/19/2013
Umm, at least you're admitting you're an elitist movie prick
Umm, at least you're admitting you're an elitist movie prick
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12:01PM on 02/19/2013
I gave you a thumbs up for that.
I gave you a thumbs up for that.
12:25PM on 02/19/2013
Wow.
Wow.
12:27PM on 02/19/2013
Haha, thanks
Haha, thanks
2:21PM on 02/19/2013
Can't blame him for appreciating quality work and demanding better as a fan.
Can't blame him for appreciating quality work and demanding better as a fan.
2:33PM on 02/19/2013
@BrokenDreamer

Ridley never really hit his stride until Gladiator (2000). Sure, Alien and Blade Runner were great, but after that he did a string of interesting films, but nothing that really took off. Gladiator paved the way for Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven (one of the most underrated films ever made, IMO), and American Gangster, all of which felt like much more refined works. As I said, there are misfires (I didn't care for Hannibal or A Good Year) and even though Robin Hood
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Ridley never really hit his stride until Gladiator (2000). Sure, Alien and Blade Runner were great, but after that he did a string of interesting films, but nothing that really took off. Gladiator paved the way for Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven (one of the most underrated films ever made, IMO), and American Gangster, all of which felt like much more refined works. As I said, there are misfires (I didn't care for Hannibal or A Good Year) and even though Robin Hood wasn't that well received I actually enjoyed it. Call it my black sheep. I hated Body of Lies, so there's no disagreement there.

Prometheus was a controversial affair, to be sure, but that's what I love about it. I love it and hate it at the same time. To me, that's a job well done. Later this year we'll get The Counselor with Brad Pitt and Michael Fassbender, which is one of my most anticipated of the year. Scott has continued to churn out films, each of them being vastly different than the last and I think that's a the showmanship of a great artist. He's versatile. He's long been a filmmaker I gravitate towards and someone I can depend on.

But, like all art, his films are subjective. So, it's certainly fair to disagree with me on the merits of his work.
11:15AM on 02/19/2013
Turns out getting the R rating was further down the list of key ingredients when making a worthy entry into the Die Hard franchise. People spent way too much time campaigning for the R rating. Some are concerned with characters, plot, chemistry, continuity, but by in large more people just seemed to want to hear Yippy-Ki-Ay Motherfucker and then hoped the rest of the pieces would fall in place. Time we get our priorities straight!
Turns out getting the R rating was further down the list of key ingredients when making a worthy entry into the Die Hard franchise. People spent way too much time campaigning for the R rating. Some are concerned with characters, plot, chemistry, continuity, but by in large more people just seemed to want to hear Yippy-Ki-Ay Motherfucker and then hoped the rest of the pieces would fall in place. Time we get our priorities straight!
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11:05AM on 02/19/2013

$8 bucks these nuts!

I spent 17.50 for one ticket! And hollywood wonders why people bootlegs.
I spent 17.50 for one ticket! And hollywood wonders why people bootlegs.
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10:46AM on 02/19/2013

$8 bucks these nuts!

I spent 17.50 for one ticket! And hollywood wonders why people bootlegs.
I spent 17.50 for one ticket! And hollywood wonders why people bootlegs.
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10:40AM on 02/19/2013

$8 bucks these nuts!

I spent 17.50 for one ticket! And hollywood wonders why people bootlegs.
I spent 17.50 for one ticket! And hollywood wonders why people bootlegs.
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10:37AM on 02/19/2013
Listening to the fans is not always the best idea.
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Listening to the fans is not always the best idea.
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10:35AM on 02/19/2013

Yeah, but you know...

If they would have listened to the fans, we would have gotten a sequel in a building, with some form of gruber family member, or some other retread of the originals, because lets face it, thats the only things that would make some fans happy, and I already have my dvds for the first three for that. Also I stopped paying attention to reviews when Die Hard 4.0 got much better reviews than With A Vengeance.
If they would have listened to the fans, we would have gotten a sequel in a building, with some form of gruber family member, or some other retread of the originals, because lets face it, thats the only things that would make some fans happy, and I already have my dvds for the first three for that. Also I stopped paying attention to reviews when Die Hard 4.0 got much better reviews than With A Vengeance.
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10:25AM on 02/19/2013
At first I was afraid The Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift was going to end the franchise. Then, Fast & Furious came along and it kept on getting better with Fast Five and now possibly Fast Six. Honest I never knew The Fast and The Furious could come this far and I really like the way the franchise is going. I haven't seen the new Die Hard yet but from the reviews it's not that good. So, as for extra tidbit; Die Hard and, this is just me, Police Academy.
At first I was afraid The Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift was going to end the franchise. Then, Fast & Furious came along and it kept on getting better with Fast Five and now possibly Fast Six. Honest I never knew The Fast and The Furious could come this far and I really like the way the franchise is going. I haven't seen the new Die Hard yet but from the reviews it's not that good. So, as for extra tidbit; Die Hard and, this is just me, Police Academy.
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10:16AM on 02/19/2013
I hate it when they don't listen to us! I mean when are we going to finally get a new R rated Die Hard movie? Golly!
I hate it when they don't listen to us! I mean when are we going to finally get a new R rated Die Hard movie? Golly!
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10:30AM on 02/19/2013
Sometimes, I wonder if you even read the article before posting: "Don't give us a mock 'R' or after-the-fact CGI blood and call that 'listening.'"
Sometimes, I wonder if you even read the article before posting: "Don't give us a mock 'R' or after-the-fact CGI blood and call that 'listening.'"
10:36AM on 02/19/2013
Actually, I did. We got what we wanted, yet still found something to whine about.
Actually, I did. We got what we wanted, yet still found something to whine about.
11:10AM on 02/19/2013
Nobody ever said an R-rating would make the movie good. You've got to earn it.

Fans are whining because it's a terrible movie.
Nobody ever said an R-rating would make the movie good. You've got to earn it.

Fans are whining because it's a terrible movie.
1:29PM on 02/19/2013
...and that it isn't the R they wanted. If it was PG-13, they'd whine it was R. It's R, they're whining because its CGI blood and not a whole lot of cursing. There's blood in the first film but the way people compare it make it seem like it was a Lucio Fulci film. CGI blood sucks but unless you're making a gorefest, it's only on screen for a second. As for cursing, well McClane was going around saying "Fuck you, motherfucking motherfucker" then people would whine that it tried to hard for an R.
...and that it isn't the R they wanted. If it was PG-13, they'd whine it was R. It's R, they're whining because its CGI blood and not a whole lot of cursing. There's blood in the first film but the way people compare it make it seem like it was a Lucio Fulci film. CGI blood sucks but unless you're making a gorefest, it's only on screen for a second. As for cursing, well McClane was going around saying "Fuck you, motherfucking motherfucker" then people would whine that it tried to hard for an R. You can't please any audience.
10:14AM on 02/19/2013
How about listening to the fans when it comes to the DC movie properties? I'm lookin' right at ya, WB.
How about listening to the fans when it comes to the DC movie properties? I'm lookin' right at ya, WB.
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10:13AM on 02/19/2013

This is crazy

To say you like the Fast movies, but not the new Die Hard is completely contradictory. The are both fun pop corn movies. I really doubt the makers of the original Die Hard new it would be so big. In fact, I'd bet my life that if Die Hard came out today, the exact same movie, it would be hated on. Or if Daron Aronofsky made the new Die Hard shot for shot the same movie, it would be praised to high hell. The internet is ruining peoples perception of what's good. I fell victim to it for a while,
To say you like the Fast movies, but not the new Die Hard is completely contradictory. The are both fun pop corn movies. I really doubt the makers of the original Die Hard new it would be so big. In fact, I'd bet my life that if Die Hard came out today, the exact same movie, it would be hated on. Or if Daron Aronofsky made the new Die Hard shot for shot the same movie, it would be praised to high hell. The internet is ruining peoples perception of what's good. I fell victim to it for a while, but watch the next movie you see without reading any reviews and then compare.
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10:29AM on 02/19/2013
Uh, yeah, it's not contradictory at all, because the new Die Hard is not fun. At All. Fast Five is a blast from start to finish and Fast and Furious Six looks to be the same. Comparing the first Die Hard to the latest Die Hard is asinine. They have nothing in common but a name.

I would've gladly paid to see the 1988 Die Hard in theaters over the new one, as it has more heart, gusto, action, character in the first five minutes than the latest one has in 90 minutes.

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Uh, yeah, it's not contradictory at all, because the new Die Hard is not fun. At All. Fast Five is a blast from start to finish and Fast and Furious Six looks to be the same. Comparing the first Die Hard to the latest Die Hard is asinine. They have nothing in common but a name.

I would've gladly paid to see the 1988 Die Hard in theaters over the new one, as it has more heart, gusto, action, character in the first five minutes than the latest one has in 90 minutes.

Darren Aronofsky would never make a shot-for-shot remake of Die Hard 5. Why? Because he's an accomplished filmmaker, unlike John Moore, who has demonstrated character over...well, whatever the hell Die Hard 5 is, in every single one of his films.

I saw A Good Day To Die Hard without reading any reviews and guess what? It still sucked ass. The Internet isn't ruining anything for anyone. That's an arbitrary argument.
10:49AM on 02/19/2013
@Deanken- Your argument is void by assuming all popcorn movies are created equal. 'Green Lantern', which was a travesty of every kind, vs. 'The Avengers'. Both are superhero tentpole films, but one is far superior to the other by simple virtue of the care and dedication taken to get it right. However, your logic states that they are both of 100% same quality. That is immensely ludicrous.

And for the record, I found 'A Good Day To Day Hard' more entertaining and enjoyable than 'Die Hard With
@Deanken- Your argument is void by assuming all popcorn movies are created equal. 'Green Lantern', which was a travesty of every kind, vs. 'The Avengers'. Both are superhero tentpole films, but one is far superior to the other by simple virtue of the care and dedication taken to get it right. However, your logic states that they are both of 100% same quality. That is immensely ludicrous.

And for the record, I found 'A Good Day To Day Hard' more entertaining and enjoyable than 'Die Hard With A Vengeance', which is, without a doubt, the worst entry in the franchise to date; I am not trolling with that last sentence.
10:04PM on 02/19/2013
@Paul Shirey - I saw "Good Day to Die Hard" on Sunday. I really enjoyed it. I read the review here Monday and read all the comments about how it strayed from the originals. I decided to watch the original tonight, and aside from the fact that Willis acts a bit more gruff and older (which makes sense) they feels and plays the same. The original holds a special place in your heart and everyone's (including mine), but Die Hard is what it is, a silly over-the-top action movie. You are having the
@Paul Shirey - I saw "Good Day to Die Hard" on Sunday. I really enjoyed it. I read the review here Monday and read all the comments about how it strayed from the originals. I decided to watch the original tonight, and aside from the fact that Willis acts a bit more gruff and older (which makes sense) they feels and plays the same. The original holds a special place in your heart and everyone's (including mine), but Die Hard is what it is, a silly over-the-top action movie. You are having the same problem alot of people have when they retouch on these classic movies, you put the original in too high esteem and you put the new installment under the microscope. You were able to enjoy the new Fast&Furious because the original isn't a classic so you not constantly judging it, you just sit back and enjoy it. Which is how you should be treating the new Die Hard.
7:36AM on 02/20/2013
To be fair the first five minutes of Die Hard take place on a plane and have credits, if you want to be a jackass about it. And the Green Lantern suffered from was to little to late. Beside the costume, which we can all agree was stupid, if the movie had come out in the late 90's around x-men it would've been received better. And I didn't say they are equal, all I meant was let go, have fun. You personally may have disliked it, but judge the movie on what it is, not what other bloggers, I mean
To be fair the first five minutes of Die Hard take place on a plane and have credits, if you want to be a jackass about it. And the Green Lantern suffered from was to little to late. Beside the costume, which we can all agree was stupid, if the movie had come out in the late 90's around x-men it would've been received better. And I didn't say they are equal, all I meant was let go, have fun. You personally may have disliked it, but judge the movie on what it is, not what other bloggers, I mean "reviewers" say.
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