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07.10.2012

SPOILER WARNING: I will be discussing major aspects of both PROMETHEUS and SNOW WHITE AND THE HUNTSMAN. Read at your own risk.

It’s happened to all of us; We sit there, watching a movie, getting into it, enjoying ourselves for the most part until something happens that makes no sense whatsoever, taking us completely out of the film. We throw our arms up in the air, our faces scrunched up like we just sucked on a lemon. Then comes the slow, disapproving nod, followed by the immortal words…what the f*ck?

Logic. There are many different definitions for it, but the one I’m focusing on here is reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions. As moviegoers we are able to suspend disbelief to a high level, allowing us to enjoy stories that are obviously contrived, but still convincing in the realm they’ve created.

However, there are some unforgivable occurrences in MANY films that simply defy all forms of logic. Instances that occur in a way that simply would not, under any circumstances, really happen. It’s those moments, where the viewer steps off the plank of acceptance and into the murky waters of bullshit.

I could list a string of films that have moments like this and I know you can, too. However, I’m going to focus my sights on two of the most recent examples I’ve seen.

Let’s start with PROMETHEUS. Everyone was excited to see Ridley Scott return to the “alien” world, and having scripter Damon Lindelof on board seemed like an inspired choice. I enjoyed PROMETHEUS enough to see it twice, but its pretty full of shit. Here’s why: The film is science fiction, which is “similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature.”

There are several moments in PROMETHEUS that defy this definition and border on the absurd. I’m no scientist, but have endured enough courses in various fields of science to know that the actions of the ones in PROMETHEUS are not only illogical, but completely f*cking boneheaded.

Here’s a list of offenses that make no sense within the context of the story, the characters, or real science; Scientists taking their helmets off, because their “readings” say the air is breathable; Scientists being informed of their mission AFTER they awake from cryosleep, because who wouldn’t enlist in a gig that takes away 8-10 years of your life (or your entire life) without knowing what you’re doing?; Scientists trying to pet something that looks like an alien cobra and calling it “baby.”:

The list goes on and on. I enjoyed PROMETHEUS for all its ambiguity. However, there are far too many illogical moments that it comes off as bad ‘80s sci-fi than a refined piece of work from an auteur.

The other film that left me with handprints on my forehead was SNOW WHITE AND THE HUNTSMAN. As a fantasy film it’s easy to forgive many things, but that’s not the problem. When it comes down to character actions, it’s like the movie took a step into shitty fan fiction. Firstly, we’re meant to believe that Snow White is kept in a tower for something like 8 years and still has white teeth, red lips, and athletic ability that defies all odds. She must’ve gotten three square meals a day and extra gym time in the dungeon, right?

The most inconceivable point of the film is when Snow White takes command of an army (because a girl who was imprisoned at age 10 and kept in solitude all her life is completely fit to lead an army) and sets off to the castle of her nemesis, Ravenna, in a glorious beach-set charge. Ravenna has her own army respond in kind by shooting fireballs from trebuchets, which explode on impact and kill tons of men. When they finally reach the gate, Snow White races in to fight Ravenna (with ZERO combat experience) and is constantly slashed at by the Queen’s men. So, what’s the problem you ask?

Ravenna needs to consume Snow White’s BEATING HEART in order to attain immortality. Now, let’s say one of those fire mortars hit Snow White in the middle of her charge on the beach and killed her instantly. Or say she gets to the castle, only to have her head lopped off by one of the Queen’s men. That would denote Snow White’s heart stops beating and that Ravenna is the dumbest bitch on the planet. After she spends the whole damn movie trying to capture Snow White alive, in the end she hits the “f*ck it” button and plays Russian roulette with her immortality, leaving me wincing like I just saw a trailer for Battlefield Earth 2.

The thing is, we accept a lot as an audience. We eat a lot of shit sandwiches to get to the chocolaty dessert and it just gets to be too much to swallow. With millions of dollars at work is it too much to ask for some common sense and logic? A big budget is not an excuse for a small characterization. It’s high time Hollywood realized that. The popular saying “check your brain at the door” is an impossible task. My brain is coming with me into that f*cking movie and I’m going to use it no matter how much it’s suggested I don’t.

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Extra Tidbit: What's your favorite illogical movie (or scene)? Mine is Commando, which I absolutely love for all it's absurdity. You can pick apart nearly every single scene of that film as being completely illogical and nonsensical, but still have a great time watching it.
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1:14PM on 07/12/2012
Umm ya I stopped after the whole Snow White looking all clean & stuff. I normally like your articles Mr. Shirey, but this one is even worse than typical fanboy nonsense. What a waste of an article & you are better than this.
Umm ya I stopped after the whole Snow White looking all clean & stuff. I normally like your articles Mr. Shirey, but this one is even worse than typical fanboy nonsense. What a waste of an article & you are better than this.
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8:39PM on 07/11/2012
The only illogical action in Prometheus I found was the getting closer to the alien thing. Then again, I am not a scientist fascinated with space exploration whose just discovered a new alien species. A new discovery for a scientist is like finding a gold mine. Secondly, they had they're protective suits on, so I imagine they may have felt somewhat secure. I see no issues with the getting lost aspect or the helmet issue. They never even really crossed my mind, and I think maybe that's the
The only illogical action in Prometheus I found was the getting closer to the alien thing. Then again, I am not a scientist fascinated with space exploration whose just discovered a new alien species. A new discovery for a scientist is like finding a gold mine. Secondly, they had they're protective suits on, so I imagine they may have felt somewhat secure. I see no issues with the getting lost aspect or the helmet issue. They never even really crossed my mind, and I think maybe that's the point. It's not such a gigantic leap in logic that we stop and say wtf. I mean, some of us might. You clearly did. But I think most people just accept that it's part of the world and go with it.
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10:47AM on 07/11/2012
Haven't seen Prometheus yet, so I have no idea, but you were right on with Snow White. That movie was about as fun as a fuckin' tax audit.
Haven't seen Prometheus yet, so I have no idea, but you were right on with Snow White. That movie was about as fun as a fuckin' tax audit.
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1:44AM on 07/11/2012

re; tidbit

Spoiler alert.
when a guy tosses a 500lb animal at someone and that person catches said animal between his legs, flips it over and proceeds to ride said animal then prometheus is solid oscar gold in my book.
Spoiler alert.
when a guy tosses a 500lb animal at someone and that person catches said animal between his legs, flips it over and proceeds to ride said animal then prometheus is solid oscar gold in my book.
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8:30PM on 07/11/2012
Haha, yeah, but that entire film was just nothing but ridiculousness, so as laughable as that scene might be, it kind of goes within the context of that world.
Haha, yeah, but that entire film was just nothing but ridiculousness, so as laughable as that scene might be, it kind of goes within the context of that world.
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11:29PM on 07/10/2012

Right on the Money

Dude, good call on Prometheus. There are so many indiscrepansies in that movie you would have thought Spielberg directed it.
Dude, good call on Prometheus. There are so many indiscrepansies in that movie you would have thought Spielberg directed it.
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8:16PM on 07/10/2012

My full SWATH review

Hey all, just because there's no way to cram all of the crap from SWATH into this article, if you're interested, here's my full, scathing [link]
Hey all, just because there's no way to cram all of the crap from SWATH into this article, if you're interested, here's my full, scathing [link]
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8:29PM on 07/10/2012
Wow, fuck me. Let's try this again. [link]
Wow, fuck me. Let's try this again. [link]
8:05PM on 07/10/2012

My full SWATH review

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6:47PM on 07/10/2012
Lindelof is a hack.
Now everyone, sing it with me!
Lindelof is a hack.
Now everyone, sing it with me!
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6:05PM on 07/10/2012
My friend Paul this article has got to be one for the books! Awesome and I totally agree... I wish I could say "sometimes" but sadly it is "oftentimes" and when the WTF moment happens it feels as if you were cheated, and badly. One thing is to take writing and artistic freedom but another thing is to go for total nonsense.

Like at the moment of climax whenever the bad guy is about to do his coup de grâce he has to stop, and explain eveeerything. Why??? Why??? Whenever you have 20 bad guys,
My friend Paul this article has got to be one for the books! Awesome and I totally agree... I wish I could say "sometimes" but sadly it is "oftentimes" and when the WTF moment happens it feels as if you were cheated, and badly. One thing is to take writing and artistic freedom but another thing is to go for total nonsense.

Like at the moment of climax whenever the bad guy is about to do his coup de grâce he has to stop, and explain eveeerything. Why??? Why??? Whenever you have 20 bad guys, they will always attack one at a time... suuuureee... and the list goes on.

But on a more detailed example, why did the russian police just started to shoot (and ended up killing the IMF secretary) in MI - Ghost Protocol? Is that "standard" procedure in russia to just open fire at a random van? Wouldn't have made more sense to just barricade and stop the van? And then start a pursuit that ends with a car crash and IMF secretary killed... same result, more sense.

I just simply love moments like in Raiders of Lost Ark when the guy shows off his sword Indy pulls out his gun and shoots! Simple, effective, no BS..
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6:18PM on 07/10/2012
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5:38PM on 07/10/2012

I would absolutely have taken my helmet off.

In a heart-beat, when your instruments tell you the air is breathable ... why the fuck not? Being able to say you breathed air from another planet (moon-whatever) is absolutely something I'd like to do (and with their freaking instruments saying it's fine, why worry?).. "What if those instruments were wrong?" - For the amount of money they cost, they better fucking work.

And let's say you're a biologist, and you meet presumably the first non-Earth based lifeform EVER. Would you be all "get
In a heart-beat, when your instruments tell you the air is breathable ... why the fuck not? Being able to say you breathed air from another planet (moon-whatever) is absolutely something I'd like to do (and with their freaking instruments saying it's fine, why worry?).. "What if those instruments were wrong?" - For the amount of money they cost, they better fucking work.

And let's say you're a biologist, and you meet presumably the first non-Earth based lifeform EVER. Would you be all "get it away! get it away!". No, you'd be "OHMAHSHIT LOOK AT THIS DOG".

Now I'll give you the being on ship and not knowing the job part, mostly, but it could have been that these guys were contracted employees and were just told "You're gonna do this, no questions asked, or not get paid ridiculously".
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6:16PM on 07/10/2012
I agree on the helmet point, lets say this crew was somewhat careless and risk takers.. I mean, they took on a job they didn't even know what they were going to do, right? So sure.. that careless scene, no problem.

Even the "here kitty kitty" of the penis-vagina-looking thing, ok.. I'll go for it. But not the same guys who were running like pussies after they saw a 10K year old dead body. "ok.. so a mummy I'm affraid off... a weird looking vagina-snake no.." that makes zero sense (under the
I agree on the helmet point, lets say this crew was somewhat careless and risk takers.. I mean, they took on a job they didn't even know what they were going to do, right? So sure.. that careless scene, no problem.

Even the "here kitty kitty" of the penis-vagina-looking thing, ok.. I'll go for it. But not the same guys who were running like pussies after they saw a 10K year old dead body. "ok.. so a mummy I'm affraid off... a weird looking vagina-snake no.." that makes zero sense (under the premise that they were the same guys). Plus, Paul left out several other things like running on a straight line from a giant rolling donut or getting lost, being you the guy who brought the amazing 3D scanner in the first place... if you pile them up man, is total horse maneur.
6:20PM on 07/10/2012
"In a heart-beat, when your instruments tell you the air is breathable ... why the fuck not?"

Uhh..because if the air is breathable for *you*, then it's breathable for any horrible microbes that are compatible with your biology! Think about it: if you go to an alien planet, and contract Martian SuperAIDS, it doesn't matter. That virus probably doesn't even know what to do with cells, let alone harm you somehow, so you're fine. But if that alien planet has air like Earth? Then that rule goes
"In a heart-beat, when your instruments tell you the air is breathable ... why the fuck not?"

Uhh..because if the air is breathable for *you*, then it's breathable for any horrible microbes that are compatible with your biology! Think about it: if you go to an alien planet, and contract Martian SuperAIDS, it doesn't matter. That virus probably doesn't even know what to do with cells, let alone harm you somehow, so you're fine. But if that alien planet has air like Earth? Then that rule goes flying out the window. Take your helmet off, and you're fucked like a Native American buying a blanket.
6:44PM on 07/10/2012
The thing with scanner and getting lost actually made sense since the guys couldn't see the scan anyways, only the ship got the scan.
The thing with scanner and getting lost actually made sense since the guys couldn't see the scan anyways, only the ship got the scan.
7:37PM on 07/10/2012
Remember what happened to the aliens in War of The Worlds? illogical science lol
Remember what happened to the aliens in War of The Worlds? illogical science lol
7:52PM on 07/10/2012
[link] let me know it's you if we're ever on a scientific expedition together so that I can switch teams. Thanks ;)
[link] let me know it's you if we're ever on a scientific expedition together so that I can switch teams. Thanks ;)
5:36PM on 07/10/2012

look, 98% of us...

Would see a vagina-cobra ascending from black ooze, and be scared shitless. He's just part of the 2% that saw a vagina-cobra, and wanted to bang it.
Would see a vagina-cobra ascending from black ooze, and be scared shitless. He's just part of the 2% that saw a vagina-cobra, and wanted to bang it.
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4:49PM on 07/10/2012

You're...

You're thinking way too much about SWATH. It's a fantasy flick. It's definitely not the first film to feature a woman with amazing features who's supposed to look ragged. I could come up with a huge ass list, but won't bother. And in terms of the battle... yeah she needs her beating heart, but she also h a t e s her and when it comes to war, it's kind of like an emergency situation... you don't think, you just DO because that's what the moment calls for. And she leads the army because she
You're thinking way too much about SWATH. It's a fantasy flick. It's definitely not the first film to feature a woman with amazing features who's supposed to look ragged. I could come up with a huge ass list, but won't bother. And in terms of the battle... yeah she needs her beating heart, but she also h a t e s her and when it comes to war, it's kind of like an emergency situation... you don't think, you just DO because that's what the moment calls for. And she leads the army because she is the rightful heir to the army. Not saying it's logical, but that's what the film's universe explained to us. She's the princess. I mean, christ, you might as well complain about Joan Of Arc if stuff like this bothers you this badly.
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7:49PM on 07/10/2012
My thoughts exactly. I understand the gripes with Prometheus but SWATH was entertaining and felt fitting for its genre. Let's not forget that one of the dwarfs say: "She is life itself."
My thoughts exactly. I understand the gripes with Prometheus but SWATH was entertaining and felt fitting for its genre. Let's not forget that one of the dwarfs say: "She is life itself."
4:12PM on 07/10/2012

Miller's Crossing (20 year old spoiler potential)..

Even though I think Miller's Crossing is a brilliant and under-appreciated movie there is one scene that I've never understood... Why does Drop Johnson start screaming when Eddie Dane gets shot in the face? I understand that the Dane whooped his ass to get information out of him, but when Tom walks in to Johnny Casper's office to be confronted by the Dane, Drop's just sitting there quietly looking like he's ashamed for having confessed to the Dane... It's the only problem I have with the movie
Even though I think Miller's Crossing is a brilliant and under-appreciated movie there is one scene that I've never understood... Why does Drop Johnson start screaming when Eddie Dane gets shot in the face? I understand that the Dane whooped his ass to get information out of him, but when Tom walks in to Johnny Casper's office to be confronted by the Dane, Drop's just sitting there quietly looking like he's ashamed for having confessed to the Dane... It's the only problem I have with the movie and I just can't make sense out of it...
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3:44PM on 07/10/2012

SPOILERS! SPOILERS!

This is, without any doubt, one of the best columns of any kind I have read on here in a long time! SWATH had so many plotholes, that around 20mins. in, I was already seriously angry at it. Prometheus is the biggest disappointment of the year so far (imo), because nothing is explained, and the rest makes no damn sense. Anyway you slice that opening sequence with the Engineer, you get a plothole. "The Amazing Spider-Man" had way too many as well, with the biggest being- since Spidey was
This is, without any doubt, one of the best columns of any kind I have read on here in a long time! SWATH had so many plotholes, that around 20mins. in, I was already seriously angry at it. Prometheus is the biggest disappointment of the year so far (imo), because nothing is explained, and the rest makes no damn sense. Anyway you slice that opening sequence with the Engineer, you get a plothole. "The Amazing Spider-Man" had way too many as well, with the biggest being- since Spidey was successful at switching the poison vile for the antidote at the end, it means he had to be carrying it on him. As such, he just let's Capt. Stacey die, even though the antidote is literally falling from the sky and Capt. Stacey could be healed by turning him into a Lizard-creature for just a moment because of the aforementioned antidote in the air thing, but nope. Peter is a real douche in that movie.
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8:00PM on 07/10/2012
He didn't switch it out, he had to mix the antidote with the formula.
He didn't switch it out, he had to mix the antidote with the formula.
9:27PM on 07/10/2012
No, he removes the green vile (the poison) and actually replaces it with the blue vile (the antidote). Mixing them would only neutralize the that current batch, and thus negate the antidote entirely.
No, he removes the green vile (the poison) and actually replaces it with the blue vile (the antidote). Mixing them would only neutralize the that current batch, and thus negate the antidote entirely.
1:28AM on 07/11/2012
HUH? Stacey died giving the antidote to Spider-man.
HUH? Stacey died giving the antidote to Spider-man.
3:25PM on 07/10/2012

PROMETHEUS issues

The issues you mentioned in PROMETHEUS bugged me as well, because they could have so easily been fixed. They could have never taken their helmets off and nothing would have changed. The cobra thing could have attacked them without them approaching it and it wouldn't have been as dumb. And a few revisions to meaningless dialogue could've made the scientists actually know somewhat what they're getting into.
The issues you mentioned in PROMETHEUS bugged me as well, because they could have so easily been fixed. They could have never taken their helmets off and nothing would have changed. The cobra thing could have attacked them without them approaching it and it wouldn't have been as dumb. And a few revisions to meaningless dialogue could've made the scientists actually know somewhat what they're getting into.
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2:01PM on 07/10/2012
I can look past a lot of things logic wise while watching a flick especially in a superhero movie, sic-fi, or other wise and sleep comfortably at night because I don't expect the answers to all life in film and on top of that irony expect the film to act as if it is in the same world I am in. I want to be told a story Nd I want the story to move forward and I don't sit there and think about bullshit like "oh she is too pretty, she should look like crap living in a tower" and so forth. It's all
I can look past a lot of things logic wise while watching a flick especially in a superhero movie, sic-fi, or other wise and sleep comfortably at night because I don't expect the answers to all life in film and on top of that irony expect the film to act as if it is in the same world I am in. I want to be told a story Nd I want the story to move forward and I don't sit there and think about bullshit like "oh she is too pretty, she should look like crap living in a tower" and so forth. It's all fiction, it is not the really real world and again its universe doesn't operate in the same ways ours does. Unless you know of a cave somewhere in the worldwe can walk into that is filled with faries and mystical staggs that I don't know about. Because if we are gonna think like this why don't we just start nit picking every story ever told like that kids book The Giving Tree, that is such horse shit, like a tree can talk for one, and on top of that would want to willingly give it's pieces away to some punk ungrateful kid just like that. UNREAL!
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3:15PM on 07/10/2012
You make me very sad! Yes, a man getting bit by a spider in real life will not turn him into Spider-Man, but we will accept that sort of thing in the comics/tv shows/ movies, precisely because it is escapism and we want that. However, if you honestly don't see a problem within any story that states 'here are some very important and smart scientists' and than those scientists do something no one, in any multi/ under/ or uni- verse would ever do, and why it takes audiences out of the story
You make me very sad! Yes, a man getting bit by a spider in real life will not turn him into Spider-Man, but we will accept that sort of thing in the comics/tv shows/ movies, precisely because it is escapism and we want that. However, if you honestly don't see a problem within any story that states 'here are some very important and smart scientists' and than those scientists do something no one, in any multi/ under/ or uni- verse would ever do, and why it takes audiences out of the story because of how dumb it is, you genuinely don't understand much.
7:41PM on 07/10/2012
Tells you the difference of how your mind works to the writer. he uses more logic in thinking and is more consciously aware of what he takes time to invest in. I do to. Some people have unconscious ways of thinking and other don't. I personally wouldn't want you to direct any superhero movies if you had the talent to as I am not a fan of things that defeat the realm they are based in.
Tells you the difference of how your mind works to the writer. he uses more logic in thinking and is more consciously aware of what he takes time to invest in. I do to. Some people have unconscious ways of thinking and other don't. I personally wouldn't want you to direct any superhero movies if you had the talent to as I am not a fan of things that defeat the realm they are based in.
1:07PM on 07/11/2012
So you guys are actually willing to believe that a man in only 7 years can master every known forms of hand to hand combat, science, computer science, detective skills, math, and business?
So you guys are actually willing to believe that a man in only 7 years can master every known forms of hand to hand combat, science, computer science, detective skills, math, and business?
1:55PM on 07/10/2012

Where's the Delete Post button?

I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
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1:54PM on 07/10/2012

ALIEN

i love this movie. I would call it a masterpiece. But why would anybody in their right mind go back for the cat? And this is coming from a cat lover.
i love this movie. I would call it a masterpiece. But why would anybody in their right mind go back for the cat? And this is coming from a cat lover.
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1:43PM on 07/10/2012

ALIEN

i love this movie. I would call it a masterpiece. But why would anybody in their right mind go back for the cat? And this is coming from a cat lover.
i love this movie. I would call it a masterpiece. But why would anybody in their right mind go back for the cat? And this is coming from a cat lover.
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1:37PM on 07/10/2012

Come on JoBlo, make some sense

Look I understand you guys have different writers and critics on this site, but you just blasted on two movies you gave great reviews to. Honestly i didn't even thinkn about what you brought up in snow white and the huntsman. I did think that part of prometheus with the little snake creature was bs. All this being said the point of movies is to entertain and the point of watching them is to be entertained. i think sometimes you critics take all the fun out of it by nitpicking every little tiny
Look I understand you guys have different writers and critics on this site, but you just blasted on two movies you gave great reviews to. Honestly i didn't even thinkn about what you brought up in snow white and the huntsman. I did think that part of prometheus with the little snake creature was bs. All this being said the point of movies is to entertain and the point of watching them is to be entertained. i think sometimes you critics take all the fun out of it by nitpicking every little tiny error you see. And I just watched The Grey, that was the most unbelievable movie I have seen in a long time.
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3:36PM on 07/10/2012
A scientist acting soo unlike any scientist ever, which is a major plot point, is "nitpicking a tiny little error"? No, no, and no! Little things are forgivable, but things that setup entire second and third acts by making characters act very out of character is called bullshit.
A scientist acting soo unlike any scientist ever, which is a major plot point, is "nitpicking a tiny little error"? No, no, and no! Little things are forgivable, but things that setup entire second and third acts by making characters act very out of character is called bullshit.
7:58PM on 07/10/2012
@awakener...there are many different perspectives on this site, which is one of the reasons it's the best of the movie sites, in my opinion. I'm not a movie reviewer for the site. If I were, you would've had a very different review of SWATH. The one thing that ties almost ALL films together is the humanity of them. How we, as people, on this plane of existence, act and react to our world. It's that relativity that makes movies so engaging as we put ourselves in those situations and imagine
@awakener...there are many different perspectives on this site, which is one of the reasons it's the best of the movie sites, in my opinion. I'm not a movie reviewer for the site. If I were, you would've had a very different review of SWATH. The one thing that ties almost ALL films together is the humanity of them. How we, as people, on this plane of existence, act and react to our world. It's that relativity that makes movies so engaging as we put ourselves in those situations and imagine the possibilities.

I love fantasy and sci-fi and I love some real bullshit movies. However, I am like Skynet...I'm self-aware and I know when someone's blowing smoke up my ass and when someone is just phoning it in. Here's my personal review for SWATH, as I couldn't cram enough of the illogical shit into one [link]
1:36PM on 07/10/2012

Come on JoBlo, make some sense

Look I understand you guys have different writers and critics on this site, but you just blasted on two movies you gave great reviews to. Honestly i didn't even thinkn about what you brought up in snow white and the huntsman. I did think that part of prometheus with the little snake creature was bs. All this being said the point of movies is to entertain and the point of watching them is to be entertained. i think sometimes you critics take all the fun out of it by nitpicking every little tiny
Look I understand you guys have different writers and critics on this site, but you just blasted on two movies you gave great reviews to. Honestly i didn't even thinkn about what you brought up in snow white and the huntsman. I did think that part of prometheus with the little snake creature was bs. All this being said the point of movies is to entertain and the point of watching them is to be entertained. i think sometimes you critics take all the fun out of it by nitpicking every little tiny error you see. And I just watched The Grey, that was the most unbelievable movie I have seen in a long time.
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7:43PM on 07/10/2012
no, they make the next movie be paid more attention to in the creative process and thats the difference between oscar level directing and shallow minded pop corn seat fillers
no, they make the next movie be paid more attention to in the creative process and thats the difference between oscar level directing and shallow minded pop corn seat fillers
10:38AM on 07/11/2012
I think they are not nitpicking. I can really enjoy a B-movie, which doesn't want anything else just to entertained. But I was really distracted during Prometheus when these illigical things happaned.
And it was promised to be an A-movie. It had the perfect director, a great cast, good writers... still, the end product is just a B-movie.
I think they are not nitpicking. I can really enjoy a B-movie, which doesn't want anything else just to entertained. But I was really distracted during Prometheus when these illigical things happaned.
And it was promised to be an A-movie. It had the perfect director, a great cast, good writers... still, the end product is just a B-movie.
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1:27PM on 07/10/2012
I can look past a lot of things logic wise while watching a flick especially in a superhero movie, sic-fi, or other wise and sleep comfortably at night because I don't expect the answers to all life in film and on top of that irony expect the film to act as if it is in the same world I am in. I want to be told a story Nd I want the story to move forward and I don't sit there and think about bullshit like "oh she is too pretty, she should look like crap living in a tower" and so forth. It's all
I can look past a lot of things logic wise while watching a flick especially in a superhero movie, sic-fi, or other wise and sleep comfortably at night because I don't expect the answers to all life in film and on top of that irony expect the film to act as if it is in the same world I am in. I want to be told a story Nd I want the story to move forward and I don't sit there and think about bullshit like "oh she is too pretty, she should look like crap living in a tower" and so forth. It's all fiction, it is not the really real world and again its universe doesn't operate in the same ways ours does. Unless you know of a cave somewhere in the worldwe can walk into that is filled with faries and mystical staggs that I don't know about. Because if we are gonna think like this why don't we just start nit picking every story ever told like that kids book The Giving Tree, that is such horse shit, like a tree can talk for one, and on top of that would want to willingly give it's pieces away to some punk ungrateful kid just like that. UNREAL!
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1:12PM on 07/10/2012

ALIEN

i love this movie. I would call it a masterpiece. But why would anybody in their right mind go back for the cat? And this is coming from a cat lover.
i love this movie. I would call it a masterpiece. But why would anybody in their right mind go back for the cat? And this is coming from a cat lover.
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10:30AM on 07/11/2012
I would save my cat no matter how many aliens are there.
I would save my cat no matter how many aliens are there.
12:38PM on 07/10/2012
Also, Taken. A foreign national killing an array of immigrants and shooting the wife of a police officer- extorting him in the process. Without ever being stopped at the airport, while attempting to flee back to the continental United States.
Also, Taken. A foreign national killing an array of immigrants and shooting the wife of a police officer- extorting him in the process. Without ever being stopped at the airport, while attempting to flee back to the continental United States.
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12:34PM on 07/10/2012
I don't care if I get thumbs down for this one:
Bad Boys II (Yeah, thats right)
- Mike & Marcus murder a bunch of people in Cuba by mowing them down in their shacks in a Humvee.. what's that? Oh they are drug-dealers.
- Marcus & Mike find the drug-trafficking boat thanks to a convict who was shot in the ear.... What convict? OH..
(*Awkward Forced Flashback*)...THAT convict!
- The bad-guys don't recognise Mike & Marcus as cops UNTIL the very end DESPITE them breaking into their compound ON
I don't care if I get thumbs down for this one:
Bad Boys II (Yeah, thats right)
- Mike & Marcus murder a bunch of people in Cuba by mowing them down in their shacks in a Humvee.. what's that? Oh they are drug-dealers.
- Marcus & Mike find the drug-trafficking boat thanks to a convict who was shot in the ear.... What convict? OH..
(*Awkward Forced Flashback*)...THAT convict!
- The bad-guys don't recognise Mike & Marcus as cops UNTIL the very end DESPITE them breaking into their compound ON FUCKING CAMERA and HOW or WHY they figure Gabriel Union was with THEM despite NOT being seen together!
And a bunch of other stuff but since its a Michael Bay movie I wont say alot.
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12:30PM on 07/10/2012

Cursed !!!

If there was an absurd movie scene that tops all of them in my opinion it will be from the movie "CURSED" with Chritina Ricci, the scene when the were fighting the werewolf in the theater and at the very end of the fight scene the werewolf screams "FUCK YOU", and give the finger... That was my WTF moment right there... The movie wasn't good but it was not all bad until that point, after that I just turned off my DVD player.
If there was an absurd movie scene that tops all of them in my opinion it will be from the movie "CURSED" with Chritina Ricci, the scene when the were fighting the werewolf in the theater and at the very end of the fight scene the werewolf screams "FUCK YOU", and give the finger... That was my WTF moment right there... The movie wasn't good but it was not all bad until that point, after that I just turned off my DVD player.
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12:29PM on 07/10/2012
While I appreciate everyone's valid examples, let us not forget the most important:

The non-advanced sentient diminutive furry bipeds native to the forest moon of Endor, who's primitive weapons of stone and wood, incapacitated and defeated an intergalactic empire's elite fighting force. A fighting force protected with advanced Blastoid composite armor and armed with high velocity laser projectile weaponry. A war machine, mechanized with heavily armored walking land vehicles supported by
While I appreciate everyone's valid examples, let us not forget the most important:

The non-advanced sentient diminutive furry bipeds native to the forest moon of Endor, who's primitive weapons of stone and wood, incapacitated and defeated an intergalactic empire's elite fighting force. A fighting force protected with advanced Blastoid composite armor and armed with high velocity laser projectile weaponry. A war machine, mechanized with heavily armored walking land vehicles supported by aerial superiority.

Nevermind the 900km moon-sized military battlestation that was blown up in orbit around the moon, which radioactive contaminants and structural debris would have created a biological holocaust on any indigenous or alien populace on the surface below, rendering the living environment inhospitable.
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3:32PM on 07/10/2012
Actually, with the Ewoks being so primitive, it makes sense that the Empire has no idea how to fight them. They are accustom to fighting the various peoples that are slightly less to equal in technological advancement. Since the Ewoks are thousands of years removed from that, it does work.
Actually, with the Ewoks being so primitive, it makes sense that the Empire has no idea how to fight them. They are accustom to fighting the various peoples that are slightly less to equal in technological advancement. Since the Ewoks are thousands of years removed from that, it does work.
1:39AM on 07/11/2012
i hear ya, but i say that it is plausible because they were like a guerilla force, and being short didn't hurt either. Besides, they were fucking like rabbits for a couple hundred of years, they probably had the numbers advantage.
i hear ya, but i say that it is plausible because they were like a guerilla force, and being short didn't hurt either. Besides, they were fucking like rabbits for a couple hundred of years, they probably had the numbers advantage.
12:04PM on 07/10/2012

Cursed !!!

If there was an absurd movie scene that tops all of them in my opinion it will be from the movie "CURSED" with Chritina Ricci, the scene when the were fighting the werewolf in the theater and at the very end of the fight scene the werewolf screams "FUCK YOU", and give the finger... That was my WTF moment right there... The movie wasn't good but it was not all bad until that point, after that I just turned off my DVD player.
If there was an absurd movie scene that tops all of them in my opinion it will be from the movie "CURSED" with Chritina Ricci, the scene when the were fighting the werewolf in the theater and at the very end of the fight scene the werewolf screams "FUCK YOU", and give the finger... That was my WTF moment right there... The movie wasn't good but it was not all bad until that point, after that I just turned off my DVD player.
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11:34AM on 07/10/2012
That first Snow White picture is priceless!

Extra Tidbit: The Dark Knight. It's a great film, but too many plot holes. Like when Joker invades Bruce Wayne's home and Batman jumps after Rachel. When and how Joker left the building? Why isn't Batman goes back? Or does he? And etc.
That first Snow White picture is priceless!

Extra Tidbit: The Dark Knight. It's a great film, but too many plot holes. Like when Joker invades Bruce Wayne's home and Batman jumps after Rachel. When and how Joker left the building? Why isn't Batman goes back? Or does he? And etc.
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11:47AM on 07/10/2012
Yeah this really annoyed me when it came out. annoyed me even more when people raved about the screenplay and didn't mention that moment.
Yeah this really annoyed me when it came out. annoyed me even more when people raved about the screenplay and didn't mention that moment.
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11:25AM on 07/10/2012
I think that Damon Lindelof should take a lot of the blame. He was too concerned with his grand metaphysical ideas and christian metaphors than developing true characters with believable actions. Scott is such a visual director that I think he was wrapped up in making everything look great and structuring it around story boards. He needs better writers. I enjoyed the film, but these WTF moments are bothering me more and more. That is what makes this so inferior to ALIEN, ALIENS or even
I think that Damon Lindelof should take a lot of the blame. He was too concerned with his grand metaphysical ideas and christian metaphors than developing true characters with believable actions. Scott is such a visual director that I think he was wrapped up in making everything look great and structuring it around story boards. He needs better writers. I enjoyed the film, but these WTF moments are bothering me more and more. That is what makes this so inferior to ALIEN, ALIENS or even Scott's Blade Runner.
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9:42AM on 07/10/2012
Tidbit:
There’s so many gems in Commando but my favourite is when he exits the garden shed that is surrounded by a heavily armed enemy only for them to be taken out with two lawn mower blades, a pitchfork and a machete, all the while no one is firing and they actually wait for him to take the machete off the wall.
Brilliant.
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There’s so many gems in Commando but my favourite is when he exits the garden shed that is surrounded by a heavily armed enemy only for them to be taken out with two lawn mower blades, a pitchfork and a machete, all the while no one is firing and they actually wait for him to take the machete off the wall.
Brilliant.
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10:45AM on 07/10/2012
I could go all day on Commando. My personal favorite is the very end. The Colonel shows up and is all, like, "Leave anything for us?"

Arnold: "Just bodies."

Then, the rock music kicks in and the Colonel tries to recruit him back to the unit. He's standing on an island in international waters with hundreds dead, talking to a man that is, at the VERY least, wanted for questioning, regardless of him rescuing his kidnapped daughter. At that point, John Matrix has killed a man on a
I could go all day on Commando. My personal favorite is the very end. The Colonel shows up and is all, like, "Leave anything for us?"

Arnold: "Just bodies."

Then, the rock music kicks in and the Colonel tries to recruit him back to the unit. He's standing on an island in international waters with hundreds dead, talking to a man that is, at the VERY least, wanted for questioning, regardless of him rescuing his kidnapped daughter. At that point, John Matrix has killed a man on a plane, kidnapped Rae Dawn Chong, broken into a random Army Surplus store (which he just happened to know would house hundreds of illegal weapons) and steals countless weapons, is broken out of jail (truck) with a rocket launcher, and then steals a plane, flies to an island and kills hundreds of men.

So, what does the Colonel do with this extremely wanted man after he finds him on the island? Why, he lets him get back on his stolen float plane and fly away home, no worries. We got this, John. We don't need to ask you any questions or anything. I mean, you were just rescuing your daughter, like any ex-special forces guy who was blackmailed into assassination would. We'll just give you a call or send you a questionnaire if we need any info.

Seriously, though...I love that movie. For the above reason and so much more. It's a beautiful fucking mess.
9:34AM on 07/10/2012

Prometheus

This reaction from an angry viewer says it all: "Turn right, b*tch!"
This reaction from an angry viewer says it all: "Turn right, b*tch!"
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10:51AM on 07/10/2012
Actually, they change direction a couple of times.
Actually, they change direction a couple of times.
7:23AM on 07/10/2012
Well OK Prometheus is a science fiction movie, but it isn't a documentary! Yeah, sure, taking off the helmets in an unknown planet is a terrible idea, but then again, so is having the majority of the cast in bulky space suits and helmets for half the movie. Speaking of Prometheus, there was another thing that didn't seem to make sense to me and it bugged me a hell of a lot more than the things mentioned in the article: so Shaw's boyfriend finds not only irrefutable evidence of intelligent alien
Well OK Prometheus is a science fiction movie, but it isn't a documentary! Yeah, sure, taking off the helmets in an unknown planet is a terrible idea, but then again, so is having the majority of the cast in bulky space suits and helmets for half the movie. Speaking of Prometheus, there was another thing that didn't seem to make sense to me and it bugged me a hell of a lot more than the things mentioned in the article: so Shaw's boyfriend finds not only irrefutable evidence of intelligent alien life, but also proof that his theories were right all along, but he is butthurt and depressed that said life forms weren't alive when he got there. I mean for fuck's sake, he only just made like the biggest and most important scientific discovery since the wheel!

Things that don't make sense exist in pretty much every movie ever made, a good movie for me, is one that won't let you notice them while you are watching it! Take Iron Man 2 for example, which I consider to be a good movie: did it make sense that Vanko was left to work with millions worth of high tech weapons and gadgets completely unattented, to the point that his employer had no idea that he was building drones instead of suits of armor? Of course not, but I didn't notice it in the cinema! Now take Colombiana, an awful movie IMO, I was calling bullshit for the entire duration of the movie! Especially when her uncle just shoots a random guy in broad daylight and in front of witnesses and he just pulls his hat down and a bit and walks away while you can hear the police cars arriving at the scene.
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5:40AM on 07/10/2012
While I agree with your thoughts on Prometheus, I'm going to have to disagree with you on Snow White and the Huntsman which is more of a fantasy adventure than a science-fiction where we expect more reason. But even so, don't you remember Queen Ravenna telling her men, "Let them come." She may be the queen but what is she going to do when her army of men are firing off explosions? At that point they don't want to die, so they're not about to let a full army into the castle. Less people =
While I agree with your thoughts on Prometheus, I'm going to have to disagree with you on Snow White and the Huntsman which is more of a fantasy adventure than a science-fiction where we expect more reason. But even so, don't you remember Queen Ravenna telling her men, "Let them come." She may be the queen but what is she going to do when her army of men are firing off explosions? At that point they don't want to die, so they're not about to let a full army into the castle. Less people = them standing a better chance. If you're going to question things like that, why not question how a kiss can wake somebody up from death. Or why are there little fairies. Why are there mushrooms with eyes? It's a fantasy epic. If we really want to be nitpicky, we can find faults in the best films.

Prometheus had glaring flaws with stupid decisions made by Ridley and Damon. Rupert Sanders achieved what he set out to do with Snow White and the Huntsman.
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10:38AM on 07/10/2012
I think Rupert Sanders had a vision for what he wanted to do with SWATH, especially a "magnificent" horse charge on the beach, hooves pounding the sand in slow motion as fireballs reigned down on the cavalry. It's one of those scenes that sounds great visually, but it loses its luster when you factor in the story. Of course Ravenna's men would have to fight back, but she makes no mention of not harming Snow White.

It's something that could've been fixed with a single line of dialogue,
I think Rupert Sanders had a vision for what he wanted to do with SWATH, especially a "magnificent" horse charge on the beach, hooves pounding the sand in slow motion as fireballs reigned down on the cavalry. It's one of those scenes that sounds great visually, but it loses its luster when you factor in the story. Of course Ravenna's men would have to fight back, but she makes no mention of not harming Snow White.

It's something that could've been fixed with a single line of dialogue, like "Fuck it, let's just wing this shit," or "make sure we have EMT's on the beach." In all seriousness, it would've been easy to buy it had she shown some reaction other than "let them come." As soon as she saw the incompetent Snow White leading the charge she should've told all of them to stop firing. It simply makes no sense that she would spend the entire movie trying to capture her alive only to just say "fuck it" at the end.

The end was a grab at stunning visuals, not logical sense. Also, it was boring as shit, in my opinion.
3:27PM on 07/10/2012
Paul is right here. Plus, SWATH has so many other plotholes and such, that I am amazed he was able to bring it down to just this one. Where the white horse come from? Why didn't Ravenna kill a young Snow White during the coup? At that point the Queen knew nothing of Snow's importance to be.
Paul is right here. Plus, SWATH has so many other plotholes and such, that I am amazed he was able to bring it down to just this one. Where the white horse come from? Why didn't Ravenna kill a young Snow White during the coup? At that point the Queen knew nothing of Snow's importance to be.
7:43PM on 07/10/2012
"Where the white horse come from?"
Have you never had an experience where something fantastic happens and it proves to be really helpful? Yes, it was rather convenient but these things can happen.

"Why didn't Ravenna kill a young Snow White during the coup?"
In the film she says, "I should have killed her when she was a child."

"At that point the Queen knew nothing of Snow's importance to be."
Exactly. She didn't know that consuming Snow White's heart would grant her immortality.
"Where the white horse come from?"
Have you never had an experience where something fantastic happens and it proves to be really helpful? Yes, it was rather convenient but these things can happen.

"Why didn't Ravenna kill a young Snow White during the coup?"
In the film she says, "I should have killed her when she was a child."

"At that point the Queen knew nothing of Snow's importance to be."
Exactly. She didn't know that consuming Snow White's heart would grant her immortality. Only much later, when Snow White was older.
8:01PM on 07/10/2012
@chronophasia...."At that point the Queen knew nothing of Snow's importance to be."
Exactly. She didn't know that consuming Snow White's heart would grant her immortality. Only much later, when Snow White was older."

Which brings me to the next bout of crap from SWATH. Why didn't that stupid ass mirror tell her THEN? Why did the mirror wait 8 years or so to tell Ravenna on some random day that, "Oh, hey, forgot to mention this...but, if you eat Snow White's beating heart you can have
@chronophasia...."At that point the Queen knew nothing of Snow's importance to be."
Exactly. She didn't know that consuming Snow White's heart would grant her immortality. Only much later, when Snow White was older."

Which brings me to the next bout of crap from SWATH. Why didn't that stupid ass mirror tell her THEN? Why did the mirror wait 8 years or so to tell Ravenna on some random day that, "Oh, hey, forgot to mention this...but, if you eat Snow White's beating heart you can have immortality and youth forever and no more of this 'sucking the life out of peasants' business."

Ravenna should've been like, "Now you fucking tell me???"

Mirror: "Gotcha!"
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4:54AM on 07/10/2012

for eg.,

in Inception, if Cobb wants to live with his children,why can't he ask Michael caine character to bring his children to Paris and live with them.NO INCEPTION needed at all.and the list goes on...
in Inception, if Cobb wants to live with his children,why can't he ask Michael caine character to bring his children to Paris and live with them.NO INCEPTION needed at all.and the list goes on...
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6:32PM on 07/10/2012
he was constantly "on the run", plus he was already caught up in "illegal activities", you wouldn't want your kids to be exposed to that now would you?
he was constantly "on the run", plus he was already caught up in "illegal activities", you wouldn't want your kids to be exposed to that now would you?
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4:48AM on 07/10/2012

logic?! Haha..

if u want to know abt logicless things and plot holes in hollywood films,wud like to suggest 100thingsilearned.com and movieplotholes.com
if u want to know abt logicless things and plot holes in hollywood films,wud like to suggest 100thingsilearned.com and movieplotholes.com
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5:33PM on 07/10/2012
did you just type the word "logicless"
did you just type the word "logicless"
4:32AM on 07/10/2012
I have no clue of how things work in production, but if these logic errors are spotted during pre-production or during shooting, can't the writers or even the director "fix" the logic before the movie is finished? Sure, some are difficult to find, but others like the ones in "Prometheus" are more "in-your-face". I mean, why couldn't they have written the space worm scene differently? Instead of having the scientist pet the thing, they could have made the alien remain hidden from the guys until
I have no clue of how things work in production, but if these logic errors are spotted during pre-production or during shooting, can't the writers or even the director "fix" the logic before the movie is finished? Sure, some are difficult to find, but others like the ones in "Prometheus" are more "in-your-face". I mean, why couldn't they have written the space worm scene differently? Instead of having the scientist pet the thing, they could have made the alien remain hidden from the guys until he jumps to the guy's arm. There, logic solved.
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1:23AM on 07/10/2012

It's Hard To Make Sense

I'm writing a mystery right now and it is INCREDIBLY difficult to keep everything straight, even as the author. It's exceptionally tricky to drop in hints and clues, foreshadowing and surprises while still making sense while at the same time tricking the reader/viewer into not connecting every dot immediately so that reveals or twists will be satisfyingly impacting. Now, this doesn't apply to Snow White, whose logic (or lack thereof) was cut and dry and Prometheus' logic was that of a horror
I'm writing a mystery right now and it is INCREDIBLY difficult to keep everything straight, even as the author. It's exceptionally tricky to drop in hints and clues, foreshadowing and surprises while still making sense while at the same time tricking the reader/viewer into not connecting every dot immediately so that reveals or twists will be satisfyingly impacting. Now, this doesn't apply to Snow White, whose logic (or lack thereof) was cut and dry and Prometheus' logic was that of a horror film- if characters don't act stupidly, then less people die, less scary shit happens and it's not as fun for the audience. It is incredibly difficult to be crafty, thrilling and keep everything logical all at once. That's all I'm saying. I mean, I poked holes in the logic of MiB3, Safe House, The Avengers and Seeking A Friend, but the sum of the whole is more important than logic when it comes to big hollywood movies, in my opinion. Then again MiB3's logic lapses pissed me off...
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2:25AM on 07/10/2012
It's the hardest thing in the world. I agree completely. I have written screenplays, short stories, comic book scripts, etc., and never has it been an easy task. In theory, it sounds easy; make shit up! Easy, right? Wrong. It's painstaking and anxiety ridden from the first word to the last. I have gone back and looked at old stories or scripts and been baffled by what I missed. "How the fuck did I screw that up, it makes no sense?"

However, that doesn't excuse me. Tossing in a big
It's the hardest thing in the world. I agree completely. I have written screenplays, short stories, comic book scripts, etc., and never has it been an easy task. In theory, it sounds easy; make shit up! Easy, right? Wrong. It's painstaking and anxiety ridden from the first word to the last. I have gone back and looked at old stories or scripts and been baffled by what I missed. "How the fuck did I screw that up, it makes no sense?"

However, that doesn't excuse me. Tossing in a big car chase, beat down, or gun battle doesn't excuse the logic behind why it's happening. So, I agree with you that it's tricky and hard, but I honestly think that's the difference between great writing and really awful writing, even if it comes from acclaimed authors. Sometimes they all need a reality check (and a couple critical people to read their work before it "goes public").

Good luck on your story! I have yet to tackle a mystery and I cringe to think of it. I would lose my mind, I think.
3:22PM on 07/10/2012
Horror logic does not count for "Prometheus", because A) it's not a horror film, and B) these people should know better than to pet a strange new life form! Seriously, that is a far bigger WTF than in MIB3 or The Avengers; at least with those the characters acted in ways that made sense within who they are, if not for the story as a whole.
Horror logic does not count for "Prometheus", because A) it's not a horror film, and B) these people should know better than to pet a strange new life form! Seriously, that is a far bigger WTF than in MIB3 or The Avengers; at least with those the characters acted in ways that made sense within who they are, if not for the story as a whole.
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1:19AM on 07/10/2012

Amazing Spider-Man

Some small spoilers.
In the latest Spider-Man, when the cops have been informed that Reptile is scaling Oscorp and planning on releasing a biological weapon over New York City they don't pay any attention to that bit of alarming news and keep going after Spider-Man even though he's not posing a current threat.
Some small spoilers.
In the latest Spider-Man, when the cops have been informed that Reptile is scaling Oscorp and planning on releasing a biological weapon over New York City they don't pay any attention to that bit of alarming news and keep going after Spider-Man even though he's not posing a current threat.
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1:12AM on 07/10/2012
Peter Parker walking into a room full of genetically enhanced spiders without a protective suit and then he gets bit giving him powers. Meaning that any idiot that can figure out the pattern lock on the touchpad outside the door (just look for the greasy fingerprints!), could wander in, get bit, and scale buildings, etc.etc. Also, Parker is supposed to be a genius (he built webshooters after all!), yet he goes down into the sewer to take pictures of the lizard to make money, with a camera
Peter Parker walking into a room full of genetically enhanced spiders without a protective suit and then he gets bit giving him powers. Meaning that any idiot that can figure out the pattern lock on the touchpad outside the door (just look for the greasy fingerprints!), could wander in, get bit, and scale buildings, etc.etc. Also, Parker is supposed to be a genius (he built webshooters after all!), yet he goes down into the sewer to take pictures of the lizard to make money, with a camera conveniently embossed with his name on the back of it. They should have added his address too.

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3:57AM on 07/10/2012
U know, when i watched that ''room'' part i was like: ''So u see a kid going through one of the most advanced buildings in the States (probably as advanced as the Stark Tower) and NOBODY stops him??? Besides that, u can see two guys with white suits coming out of the room, but Peter was like ''fuck security, let's see what's inside, i dont need no biological protection''. I can dig the fact that he sneaks in to the whole building, but a laboratory that works with spiders is not supose to have
U know, when i watched that ''room'' part i was like: ''So u see a kid going through one of the most advanced buildings in the States (probably as advanced as the Stark Tower) and NOBODY stops him??? Besides that, u can see two guys with white suits coming out of the room, but Peter was like ''fuck security, let's see what's inside, i dont need no biological protection''. I can dig the fact that he sneaks in to the whole building, but a laboratory that works with spiders is not supose to have some sort of security card or something?
10:25AM on 07/10/2012
Apparently, the whole storyline of the new Spider-Man movies is that it was intended for him to get bitten, a plan hatched by his father (something was posted about that on Joblo a few weeks ago). Maybe he was tricked into getting into that room. We'll find out in the second movie...

As for the camera thing, it's stupid because we don't know why he put the camera there, there was no explanation. Was it for his own collection, was he trying to make money by selling photos of Spiderman/Lizard
Apparently, the whole storyline of the new Spider-Man movies is that it was intended for him to get bitten, a plan hatched by his father (something was posted about that on Joblo a few weeks ago). Maybe he was tricked into getting into that room. We'll find out in the second movie...

As for the camera thing, it's stupid because we don't know why he put the camera there, there was no explanation. Was it for his own collection, was he trying to make money by selling photos of Spiderman/Lizard (similarly to Raimi's Spiderman 1), was he trying to blind the Lizard/trying to anger him? We don't know, and the name tag is just retarded, no need for it in the film. Stupid way for the Lizard to find out he is really Peter Parker.
11:33AM on 07/10/2012
How is it any different from the first film in regards to the escaped spider just biting anyone? Also, like just mentioned, there was a plan originally I believe in the film to show that Peter himself was already genetically altered...

As for the camera thing, he had just encountered the Lizard, Captain Stacy didn't believe in the existence of it, the whole city doubted, so he wanted proof...quite simple really.
How is it any different from the first film in regards to the escaped spider just biting anyone? Also, like just mentioned, there was a plan originally I believe in the film to show that Peter himself was already genetically altered...

As for the camera thing, he had just encountered the Lizard, Captain Stacy didn't believe in the existence of it, the whole city doubted, so he wanted proof...quite simple really.
1:03PM on 07/10/2012
Markgrayson, in Spidey comics lore, everyone knows that the spider that bit Peter crawled off and died. No need to explain it further in the Raimi version because he was following the comics. As for the supposed 'genetic tampering' of Peter by his parents, there's a Huffington Post interview with Webb where he says that is not the case. Initially they had gone in that direction, but the studio didn't like it and had him remove it (hence the reshoots two months before the opening date).
Markgrayson, in Spidey comics lore, everyone knows that the spider that bit Peter crawled off and died. No need to explain it further in the Raimi version because he was following the comics. As for the supposed 'genetic tampering' of Peter by his parents, there's a Huffington Post interview with Webb where he says that is not the case. Initially they had gone in that direction, but the studio didn't like it and had him remove it (hence the reshoots two months before the opening date).

Again, having Peter being 'destined' to become Spidey removes his appeal of anyone being able to get those powers and do the right thing with them. Which is the whole core of the Spider-Man mythos. If you make him a test tube lab rat, then he loses that uniqueness that makes him appealing to all of us geeks worldwide. Not to mention that his parents would be some kind of monsters for experimenting on their child. Also, Peter's parents would have had to had incredible, nay, near omnipotent, foresight to see that he would get bit by a spider to 'activate' his genetically constructed powers. I mean, what if he had been bitten by a genetically engineered Chiuaua instead? Oscorp could have had a badly secured room with that inside.
7:57PM on 07/10/2012
the pictures part i disagree as he was merely highschool kid who didn't get it all. u can be a genius but a wack strategist. Superman has more brain capacity than bruce wayne and far more smarts as in knowledge, but he lacks any strategy in combat or skill hence Batman can even beat him
the pictures part i disagree as he was merely highschool kid who didn't get it all. u can be a genius but a wack strategist. Superman has more brain capacity than bruce wayne and far more smarts as in knowledge, but he lacks any strategy in combat or skill hence Batman can even beat him
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1:10AM on 07/10/2012
No Hollywood movie in history has more gaping holes, plot inconsistencies, and shout it from the rooftop "WTF!" moments than Signs.
No Hollywood movie in history has more gaping holes, plot inconsistencies, and shout it from the rooftop "WTF!" moments than Signs.
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