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C'mon Hollywood: Make The Hateful Eight anyway, Tarantino!

Feb. 25, 2014by: Paul Shirey

There’s really nothing quite like a Quentin Tarantino script, is there? Sure, there are great scripts out there, probably better than any of his, but there’s something distinct, flavorful, and exciting about his writing that creates a stir of exhilaration unlike any other screenwriter working today. Now, I know some people have soured on Tarantino throughout the years, be it for his attitude, personality, or the belief that his work has declined since making a splash with RESERVOIR DOGS in 1992. But, I tend to see that most people continue to stand by the filmmaker and champion his work, always anxious for his next film.

Unfortunately, the “next film” in the director’s queue has been sidetracked in a big way as the completion of his most recent script, THE HATEFUL EIGHT, was leaked to the Internet masses, causing the filmmaker to do something rather harsh; shelve the project altogether. Now, you can read the details of the leak and dig into the finger pointing, accusations, and now lawsuits over the whole mess, but the biggest problem with the whole situation is that it’s keeping great work from being completed. I tend to leave those kind of stoppages in progress to U.S. lawmakers, so when a filmmaker that has nearly every asset at his disposal to make any film he wants, it’s a bit hard to swallow.

I understand principle. I get it. I can see why Tarantino would be pissed that his script leaked all over the place like a blood squib from DJANGO UNCHAINED, especially when it was placed in the hands of “trusted” individuals, but ultimately it’s the mechanism of a system that hungers for his work so much that even that kind of scrutiny isn’t heeded. It’s a problem the vast majority of struggling screenwriters would KILL for (myself included). To have people desire your work so much is really the pinnacle of success for any writer. Granted, we don’t all want our work stolen, but in this case we all know its Tarantino. There’s no question of who wrote the piece and no one is trying to pass it off as their own. In fact, we want the opposite of stealing it; we want Tarantino to make it…like yesterday.

As a man who grew up as a true film geek, working in a video store and immersing himself in films, while writing his own, Tarantino is a success story that many of us dream about becoming. We can relate to him, because he is the everyman; a guy with a dream and a talent. He’s the movie geek Cinderella. And we love him not only for his work, but for where he comes from. He’s one of us. Like Kevin Smith, who charged CLERKS to a credit card and rolled the dice on his passion, Tarantino made a name for himself by being uncompromising in his vision and unwavering in his resolve to make the kinds of films he wants to see. It was admirable. It was bold. And it paid off.

So, why in the name of all that he’s done before would he waste time with a lawsuit and shelve a project that reeks of all the great work he’s done before, while adding a whole new layer to the familiar model of his storytelling style? Certainly, anyone can understand Tarantino being pissed initially, but it feels like something that could be easily dismissed once the blood pressure returns to normal and the folks who helped facilitate the leak were properly chastised. Tarantino likely wants fair treatment in terms of keeping his work secure (maybe he should hire Marvel for that?), but like Miley Cyrus trying to go to the grocery store, his fame has won him a level acclaim that will bring out the crowd in droves when he completes a new work. The only difference is we want to read what he wrote rather than see him twerk on a stage.  While the argument that having the script out there would diminish box office returns, I call immediate bullshit (I may or may not have read THE HATEFUL EIGHT and may or may not think it’s awesome).

For one thing, the people that are clamoring to read his latest script aren’t your average moviegoers. They’re film geeks and industry folk who really know what it means to read a Tarantino script. It’s an event, but not an event that your general movie-going audience wants to attend. They simply want to see the movie, not thumb through a 146-page script. And those who do read the script know that it’s only half the story as Tarantino puts an outrageous level of detail and care into the actual film that will stand well on its own when compared to the written page. His writing and filmmaking styles are both distinct in their own right and can exist on two different levels easily.

I doubt that Tarantino’s anger over the leak is financial, but really I can’t speak to that, as I don’t know what his bank account entails. I think this is an issue of Tarantino being genuinely pissed, which is understandable, but it’s become a kind of stubborn stand off now, with everyone waiting for him to calm down and get on with it. He’s not just holding a grudge against the “wrongdoers” anymore, he’s holding it against his fans, who both respect and admire his work, looking forward to it almost like a national holiday. Tarantino has left his fans with cinematic blue balls, all because they love his work so much that they couldn’t wait to read it the first chance they got. Is that REALLY worth holding out on making THE HATEFUL EIGHT? Seems the opposite to me.

Extra Tidbit: What do you think? Should Tarantino just let the anger go and make the film or is he right to shelve the project and spend his time pursuing legal action?
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1:20AM on 02/27/2014
It's fine by me if it means his replacement movie will be the sequel to Kill Bill. :P
It's fine by me if it means his replacement movie will be the sequel to Kill Bill. :P
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4:52PM on 02/25/2014
I read like a month ago that he said he found a way to tweak it (it was just a first draft) and decided he was moving forward with that. Did no one else read that?
I read like a month ago that he said he found a way to tweak it (it was just a first draft) and decided he was moving forward with that. Did no one else read that?
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3:30PM on 02/25/2014

Death Proof 2

The Hateful 8 script was lackluster at best. I think it's his most talky and least actiony script to date, which would be fine, but I know he can do better. I think he actually avoided a bullet on this one and may be using the leak as a escape clause. I would rathet have him move on to something fresh. No more cowboy bounty hunter tales.
The Hateful 8 script was lackluster at best. I think it's his most talky and least actiony script to date, which would be fine, but I know he can do better. I think he actually avoided a bullet on this one and may be using the leak as a escape clause. I would rathet have him move on to something fresh. No more cowboy bounty hunter tales.
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1:27PM on 02/25/2014
If I understand correctly, this was a rough draft that leaked? In that case, even as a struggling writer myself, I would do the same thing as Tarantino--shelve it. Rough drafts aren't something you want getting out to everybody, I feel like it hurts the creative process.

That said, I hope he does return to it one day, because it sounds really awesome.
If I understand correctly, this was a rough draft that leaked? In that case, even as a struggling writer myself, I would do the same thing as Tarantino--shelve it. Rough drafts aren't something you want getting out to everybody, I feel like it hurts the creative process.

That said, I hope he does return to it one day, because it sounds really awesome.
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2:43PM on 02/25/2014
I don't think it was a draft. Otherwise, why would he give it to the actors he wanted to hire?
I don't think it was a draft. Otherwise, why would he give it to the actors he wanted to hire?
7:03PM on 02/25/2014
Vits, it was a draft. By my understanding, he was using a scenario that many writers use where they will work through a read of the script with actors (that they do not intend to hire) in a enclosed environment, scripts are put out and collected and the actors sign non disclosure agreement. It is a very valuable tool, but when the actors break the rules or take advantage of the situation, then you get what happened here. They passed out ten scripts but only got 9 back at the end of the day.
Vits, it was a draft. By my understanding, he was using a scenario that many writers use where they will work through a read of the script with actors (that they do not intend to hire) in a enclosed environment, scripts are put out and collected and the actors sign non disclosure agreement. It is a very valuable tool, but when the actors break the rules or take advantage of the situation, then you get what happened here. They passed out ten scripts but only got 9 back at the end of the day.
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11:49AM on 02/25/2014

OF ALL PEOPLE, TARANTINO SHOULD KNOW THAT...

... movies are rarely 100% the same as what they were on the page. There are scenes re-written/re-filmed, improvised lines, and, accidents that are kept as if they were planned (RESERVOIR DOGS, anyone?). There have also been cases of added/deleted scenes that change the entire plot.
... movies are rarely 100% the same as what they were on the page. There are scenes re-written/re-filmed, improvised lines, and, accidents that are kept as if they were planned (RESERVOIR DOGS, anyone?). There have also been cases of added/deleted scenes that change the entire plot.
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11:24AM on 02/25/2014

Death Proof 2

The Hateful 8 script was lackluster at best. I think it's his most talky and least actiony script to date, which would be fine, but I know he can do better. I think he actually avoided a bullet on this one and may be using the leak as a escape clause. I would rathet have him move on to something fresh. No more cowboy bounty hunter tales.
The Hateful 8 script was lackluster at best. I think it's his most talky and least actiony script to date, which would be fine, but I know he can do better. I think he actually avoided a bullet on this one and may be using the leak as a escape clause. I would rathet have him move on to something fresh. No more cowboy bounty hunter tales.
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1:30PM on 02/25/2014
Why would more talk, less action be a bad thing when it's Tarantino we're discussing? The dude's dialogue is incredible. This is a serious question, by the way, not an attempt to pick a fight--I haven't read the leaked script and honestly don't know.
Why would more talk, less action be a bad thing when it's Tarantino we're discussing? The dude's dialogue is incredible. This is a serious question, by the way, not an attempt to pick a fight--I haven't read the leaked script and honestly don't know.
4:21PM on 02/25/2014
"Why would more talk, less action be a bad thing when it's Tarantino we're discussing?" i think Avatard's title reflects it all; "Death Proof" was too much talk not enough walk.
"Why would more talk, less action be a bad thing when it's Tarantino we're discussing?" i think Avatard's title reflects it all; "Death Proof" was too much talk not enough walk.
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11:19AM on 02/25/2014

Death Proof 2

The Hateful 8 script was lackluster at best. I think it's his most talky and least actiony script to date, which would be fine, but I know he can do better. I think he actually avoided a bullet on this one and may be using the leak as a escape clause. I would rathet have him move on to something fresh. No more cowboy bounty hunter tales.
The Hateful 8 script was lackluster at best. I think it's his most talky and least actiony script to date, which would be fine, but I know he can do better. I think he actually avoided a bullet on this one and may be using the leak as a escape clause. I would rathet have him move on to something fresh. No more cowboy bounty hunter tales.
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11:24AM on 02/25/2014
Come to think of it, the script seems to have been built out of excerpts from Django Unclained. Like if we had seen another mission with Django and Dr. Schultz go awry. Not very original, even for Tarantino.
Come to think of it, the script seems to have been built out of excerpts from Django Unclained. Like if we had seen another mission with Django and Dr. Schultz go awry. Not very original, even for Tarantino.
11:11AM on 02/25/2014
In all honesty, there's probably 20, maybe 30, thousand people that read leaked scripts online in the US. That leaves about 400 million of us that dont. Quit being a crybaby and make a movie if you want to.
In all honesty, there's probably 20, maybe 30, thousand people that read leaked scripts online in the US. That leaves about 400 million of us that dont. Quit being a crybaby and make a movie if you want to.
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10:51AM on 02/25/2014

Simple for me

I wouldn't wish him to make a movie he doesn't want to make anymore - no matter the reason. I'd rather see him move on and make something he does want to make. The important thing is that a director and writer of his talent keep producing new work - not imposing a desire to see something based on the premise and early details - or even the leaked script. If the argument is "Come on, *want* to make the Hateful Eight!" I guess that's valid, but exhorting creatives to want something they don't
I wouldn't wish him to make a movie he doesn't want to make anymore - no matter the reason. I'd rather see him move on and make something he does want to make. The important thing is that a director and writer of his talent keep producing new work - not imposing a desire to see something based on the premise and early details - or even the leaked script. If the argument is "Come on, *want* to make the Hateful Eight!" I guess that's valid, but exhorting creatives to want something they don't seems like precarious footing for an argument.
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5:34PM on 02/25/2014
The argument is that he should make it IF that was his intention all along, which obviously it was or he wouldn't have written it or shopped it to actors. What I get from his response to the leak is that he's shelving it to make a point, NOT because he doesn't want to make it.

The argument is that he should make it IF that was his intention all along, which obviously it was or he wouldn't have written it or shopped it to actors. What I get from his response to the leak is that he's shelving it to make a point, NOT because he doesn't want to make it.

10:40AM on 02/25/2014

The guy is a director

Let him shelve whatever the fuck he wants. He's Tarantino, he gave film geeks everywhere a reason to live with his body of work. Motherfuckers should be grateful.
Let him shelve whatever the fuck he wants. He's Tarantino, he gave film geeks everywhere a reason to live with his body of work. Motherfuckers should be grateful.
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10:06AM on 02/25/2014

Tarantino is a complicated guy, but have faith people

I am not a die hard "Tarantino can do no wrong" fan. Inglourious Bastards I felt was overall a weak film with the exception of only 2 or 3 scenes. Deathproof had great dialogue, but sucked otherwise. I feel that the 2 Kill Bill films have been his peak, Django was great for what it was, and of course he has multiple classics from his earlier years. He really is the common mans director, and however one feels about any of his films, at the very least, each is creative, new, and daring.

I
I am not a die hard "Tarantino can do no wrong" fan. Inglourious Bastards I felt was overall a weak film with the exception of only 2 or 3 scenes. Deathproof had great dialogue, but sucked otherwise. I feel that the 2 Kill Bill films have been his peak, Django was great for what it was, and of course he has multiple classics from his earlier years. He really is the common mans director, and however one feels about any of his films, at the very least, each is creative, new, and daring.

I dont understand his reaction to the script leak. Yes, he should sever ties with whomever leaked it, but otherwise I dont think it means anything. Im pretty sure the Django script leaked too, and the movie didnt suffer for it. That being said, the thought of him making another western didnt really excite me. I want to see him make movies in every genre honestly. Personal opinion favors a Tarantino horror or scifi, but the truth is that the guy could make a rom-com or musical and I would go see it simply because I know that it will be different than what the genre has traditionally offered.

We all have faith in Nolan, but have faith in Quentin too. Guy doesnt need help or opinions from anyone, and with time, we will get something fresh from him.
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9:20AM on 02/25/2014
As others have said, very well written. If I remember right he's got another story in the pipeline to develop into his next project if he truly doesn't want to do The Hateful Eight after the smoke clears. I don't think he's suing Gawker for any risk to box-office. His scripts often make it online, as others have pointed out. But this was not the draft he wanted to share with the world.

I think this is really about Quentin Tarantino wanting to remind people how much he is responsible for his
As others have said, very well written. If I remember right he's got another story in the pipeline to develop into his next project if he truly doesn't want to do The Hateful Eight after the smoke clears. I don't think he's suing Gawker for any risk to box-office. His scripts often make it online, as others have pointed out. But this was not the draft he wanted to share with the world.

I think this is really about Quentin Tarantino wanting to remind people how much he is responsible for his own movies. And how much he is in tune with the whims of his audience (he's freely admitted Death Proof is probably his worst movie to date, and I think most of his fans would agree). I know if I was writing something, and I knew it wasn't polished, I'd only trust a few to read it. I mean, what if I wanted to drastically change something and fans didn't approve? They'll say they liked it better the old way. And wouldn't I feel like crap?
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8:23AM on 02/25/2014
I can appreciate the enthusiasm for the project, but if Tarantino wants to shelve it and do something else instead, so be it. Given the consistent quality of his movies you kind of have to respect his opinion about such things. I enjoyed Django, but it's not the end of the world if he decides not to do another western just yet.
I can appreciate the enthusiasm for the project, but if Tarantino wants to shelve it and do something else instead, so be it. Given the consistent quality of his movies you kind of have to respect his opinion about such things. I enjoyed Django, but it's not the end of the world if he decides not to do another western just yet.
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7:07AM on 02/25/2014
I have the script, and liked it a lot. QT is in fact still doing this film, but he's completely re writing it! I to would live to see him do something much much bigger than this! This script reads like a stage play. The vast majority takes place in 2 indoor settings. Like reservoir dogs in the west. It lacks what most tarantino scripts usually have. And that's violence. It's very talky talky. This was a first draft only, so if anyone knows QT's style knows this script will be completely
I have the script, and liked it a lot. QT is in fact still doing this film, but he's completely re writing it! I to would live to see him do something much much bigger than this! This script reads like a stage play. The vast majority takes place in 2 indoor settings. Like reservoir dogs in the west. It lacks what most tarantino scripts usually have. And that's violence. It's very talky talky. This was a first draft only, so if anyone knows QT's style knows this script will be completely different come final draft time!
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5:01AM on 02/25/2014
I love Tarantino and his epic scale period movies, but I believe he can write a small scale movie dealing with everyday people.
I love Tarantino and his epic scale period movies, but I believe he can write a small scale movie dealing with everyday people.
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3:59AM on 02/25/2014
First off, this was a really well written article.

Second, I have to agree with everyone else here. I hope Tarantino does something bigger after his last two brilliant films and I for one would love to see him do a 1920's to 1960's Gangster type film. Imagine the possibilities.
First off, this was a really well written article.

Second, I have to agree with everyone else here. I hope Tarantino does something bigger after his last two brilliant films and I for one would love to see him do a 1920's to 1960's Gangster type film. Imagine the possibilities.
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7:17AM on 02/25/2014
Imagine a Tarantino style "Gangster Squad" movie. THAT would be fun!
Imagine a Tarantino style "Gangster Squad" movie. THAT would be fun!
11:01AM on 02/25/2014
Most definitely. That's what I had in mind when writing it. Something along the lines of The Untouchables or Gangster Squad.
Most definitely. That's what I had in mind when writing it. Something along the lines of The Untouchables or Gangster Squad.
1:32PM on 02/25/2014
Holy hell, yes. A classic style gangster pic from Tarantino? The joy from the announcement alone may kill me.
Holy hell, yes. A classic style gangster pic from Tarantino? The joy from the announcement alone may kill me.
3:26AM on 02/25/2014
After the epics like Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained,its hard to imagine him do a small scale film like The Hateful eight.
After the epics like Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained,its hard to imagine him do a small scale film like The Hateful eight.
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3:06AM on 02/25/2014
Very well-written, Paul. Reading a script is a different experience from actually watching a movie and while I think Tarantino still could make The Hateful Eight, hopefully he'll move on to something drastically different. He'd make a hell of a space western, something like Outland or Firefly.
Very well-written, Paul. Reading a script is a different experience from actually watching a movie and while I think Tarantino still could make The Hateful Eight, hopefully he'll move on to something drastically different. He'd make a hell of a space western, something like Outland or Firefly.
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2:29AM on 02/25/2014

no thanks

I reeeeally hope Tarantino really has scrapped making The Hateful Eight into a movie for good. Publishing it would be interesting, but based on what I've read/heard about the script I would much, much rather see Tarantino focus a couple years bringing a different story to life (especially one with Waltz as the main protagonist!). I don't know, I'm sure it would've been enjoyable but I was disappointed by The Hateful Eight, it didn't really seem to offer much new or especially special, I just
I reeeeally hope Tarantino really has scrapped making The Hateful Eight into a movie for good. Publishing it would be interesting, but based on what I've read/heard about the script I would much, much rather see Tarantino focus a couple years bringing a different story to life (especially one with Waltz as the main protagonist!). I don't know, I'm sure it would've been enjoyable but I was disappointed by The Hateful Eight, it didn't really seem to offer much new or especially special, I just found it very contained and underwhelming. I know something else from Tarantino would be way more exciting and memorable as a big screen feature, so I hope he commits to that other work he mentioned recently myself.
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11:27AM on 02/25/2014
Totes. The script was a step-down for him and seemed to be treading water. Black and white bounty hunters in the old west? Didn't he JUST do that?
Totes. The script was a step-down for him and seemed to be treading water. Black and white bounty hunters in the old west? Didn't he JUST do that?
3:30PM on 02/25/2014
Totes. The script was a step-down for him and seemed to be treading water. Black and white bounty hunters in the old west? Didn't he JUST do that?
Totes. The script was a step-down for him and seemed to be treading water. Black and white bounty hunters in the old west? Didn't he JUST do that?
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