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By now, everyone knows that in the summer of 2012, another installment of the BOURNE franchise will be hitting theaters. Titled THE BOURNE LEGACY, this one will be helmed by Tony Gilroy, who has writing credits on all the BOURNE’s, and also directed the incredible MICHAEL CLAYTON, as well as the decent, but far-from-incredible DUPLICITY. To me, Gilroy seems like an inspired choice.

Many are upset Paul Greengrass is not returning, but let’s not forget that the first film in the series, THE BOURNE IDENTITY was directed by Doug Liman, and NOT Greengrass. The only question is whether he can handle action, but if they manage to get back Dan Bradley to do the second unit, all will be well.

All in all, THE BOURNE LEGACY sounds like a slam-dunk, right? Sadly, no, as star Matt Damon’s not coming back. Now, a BOURNE without BOURNE, how exactly does that work? Supposedly, the role will not be recast (thank God!), but instead, we’ll be getting another story altogether, taking place in the same universe (BOURNEverse?). As Gilroy himself explained it on Hollywood-Elsewhere, “Jason Bourne will not be in this film, but he's very much alive. What happened in the first three films is the trigger for what happens. I'm building a legend and an environment and a wider conspiracy… the world we're making enhances and advances and invites Jason Bourne's return [down the road]."

Umm, okay- but why is this still considered a BOURNE film? The reason the series is so popular is due to the fact that Matt Damon as Jason Bourne just happened to be one of those truly inspired casting choices, similar to Robert Downey Jr. as IRON MAN, broadening not only the appeal of the BOURNE’s to a wider audience that might not normally go for an action flick, but also completely re-wiring Damon’s career. Look at where he was in 2002. Initially, people thought Damon playing an action hero would be laughable, and the first film actually had a soft opening in the summer of 2002 (it got beaten by SCOOBY DOO). Heck, I went to see WINDTALKERS that weekend!

However, the white hot word of mouth led to THE BOURNE IDENTY breaking $121 million at the box office, before picking up an even bigger following on DVD. The sequel, THE BOURNE SUPREMACY did $176 million, and THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM did $227 million, meaning this is a series that actually gets more popular with each successive installment.

So, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, right? Well, therein lies the problem, as Damon seems to have no interest in returning, despite the fact that his last few films have been box office disappointments. He refuses to do the film without Greengrass, and while I have to respect the loyalty, he should be bold and see what Gilroy could do. I doubt the same guy who directed MICHAEL CLAYTON is interested in making some dumb follow-up that will kill the series, which he’s probably as much the author of as Greengrass.

For my money, the best thing Universal could do is hold off until Damon inevitably wants to return. If THE ADJUSTMENT BUREAU underperforms, he might be more willing to go another round with BOURNE, but the financially-strapped studio (which has only had a handful of hits since ULTIMATUM) wants a BOURNE film pronto, and is unwilling to wait.

So, good idea or not, we’re getting a BOURNE-less BOURNE. While this is probably a dumb move that seems born (BOURNE?) out of greed rather than creativity, there’s still a way it could work. It all hinges on who they get as the leading man. Hopefully, they’ll get someone with a bit of stature, and not just default to Shia LaBeouf, or Sam Worthington, who seems to get all the action roles anyways.

It'll be a tricky process, as if they cast too young, they’ll alienate the older fans, but they also need someone who can handle action, so someone in their mid-to-late thirties would probably be best. He should also be an unlikely action star (Worthington, or even Tom Hardy seems too obvious), like Damon was initially. My choice would be for the filmmakers to spin off Edgar Ramirez’s assassin from ULTIMATUM, who was spared by Bourne at the end last film. Ramirez is charismatic as they come (just check out his star-making turn in CARLOS), and it would establish a nice continuity. They should also bring back Joan Allen, and some of the other supporting characters, like Albert Finney as the Treadstone doctor who helped make Bourne into a killer.

Hopefully THE BOURNE LEGACY will turn out to be an excellent addition to the franchise, but I have my doubts. Recasting is a tricky proposition, and while they’re not replacing BOURNE, this could turn out to be like one of the Clouseau-less PINK PANTHER films, (remember CURSE OF THE PINK PANTHER, or SON OF THE PINK PANTHER? Didn’t think so.). Hopefully sanity will prevail, and Damon will get a dump truck full of money and return, but that seems unlikely now. Fingers crossed this doesn’t ruin the franchise, as with the Bond films on hiatus (thanks to MGM’s financial woes), BOURNE is the last word in spy action.

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2:35AM on 10/29/2010

Bah!

They already made a Bourne movie without Jason Bourne... it was called Green Zone, and it bombed a bit. At the very least we need 'someone' as Jason Bourne kicking ass, although Matt Damon will be tough to replace.

Erm... we're gonna do a James Bond movie, without James Bond. In fact while we're at it, let's make the next Superman movie without Superman. In fact we can pretty much make sequels to any movies without any of the subject characters in it... Rambo 5? Terminator 5? Cool! In fact
They already made a Bourne movie without Jason Bourne... it was called Green Zone, and it bombed a bit. At the very least we need 'someone' as Jason Bourne kicking ass, although Matt Damon will be tough to replace.

Erm... we're gonna do a James Bond movie, without James Bond. In fact while we're at it, let's make the next Superman movie without Superman. In fact we can pretty much make sequels to any movies without any of the subject characters in it... Rambo 5? Terminator 5? Cool! In fact I'm busy writing a movie called The Incredibles 2... the family isn't in it, but it starts off with a news report detailing the battle in the city.

Gas.
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4:19PM on 10/28/2010

James Bond

How many people do you think were in an uproar when all of a sudden...there was a Bond movie GASP without SEAN CONNERY!!

Its not as bad as it may seem.
How many people do you think were in an uproar when all of a sudden...there was a Bond movie GASP without SEAN CONNERY!!

Its not as bad as it may seem.
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4:24PM on 10/28/2010
yeah and no one has been as good of a bond since.
yeah and no one has been as good of a bond since.
8:46PM on 10/28/2010
I see your point, but "Bond" was never as much about the actor playing him, as it was the character himself. Bourne is not as such. It's directly linked to it's actor.
I see your point, but "Bond" was never as much about the actor playing him, as it was the character himself. Bourne is not as such. It's directly linked to it's actor.
11:50PM on 10/28/2010
I completely understand, and I agree. Damon owned Bourne. I just wouldn't be that adverse to seeing someone else pick up the role and run with it. Someone else with a pretty boy image that the character could mold into someone cool like Damon. I love the Hartnett idea. LOVE that.

But I'm just saying is that some people like Tim Dalton is the definitive Bond. Some people think Craig finally captured it. It would kinda be cool to have a modern version of that with a bunch of different takes on
I completely understand, and I agree. Damon owned Bourne. I just wouldn't be that adverse to seeing someone else pick up the role and run with it. Someone else with a pretty boy image that the character could mold into someone cool like Damon. I love the Hartnett idea. LOVE that.

But I'm just saying is that some people like Tim Dalton is the definitive Bond. Some people think Craig finally captured it. It would kinda be cool to have a modern version of that with a bunch of different takes on a singular character. If anything but for more geek debate fuel.
3:05PM on 10/28/2010

N-E-V-E-R

No Matt Damon = No Bourne for me. Will not pay to see another bourne movie without him in it. If he can show loyalty to a director then i can show loyalty to him. It might be a good movie but Matt Damon made Bourne so i wont see it if hes not playing the main character and starring in it.

Also Matt Damon is not your normal run of the mill actor that needs to keep having big hits to feel like he is successful. If you look at his films, he likes to spread his work around, flex his acting
No Matt Damon = No Bourne for me. Will not pay to see another bourne movie without him in it. If he can show loyalty to a director then i can show loyalty to him. It might be a good movie but Matt Damon made Bourne so i wont see it if hes not playing the main character and starring in it.

Also Matt Damon is not your normal run of the mill actor that needs to keep having big hits to feel like he is successful. If you look at his films, he likes to spread his work around, flex his acting chops, try different materials. Obviously some of the movies he picks arent going to be breaking the box office records. To say that he should do another bourne movie because his films have been a financial disappointment is Wrong. Actually the only disappointing film recently was green zone because it cost soo much to make. Otherwise i liked the movie.
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3:10PM on 10/28/2010
Bullshit.If it will be a good movie you'll be the first to watch it!
Bullshit.If it will be a good movie you'll be the first to watch it!
2:51PM on 10/28/2010
Enough of the Jason Bourne movies! Bring us another Bond film please!!!
Enough of the Jason Bourne movies! Bring us another Bond film please!!!
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2:25PM on 10/28/2010
I love all 3 Bourne movies and think they continually got better as they went on. Sure I couldn't stand Paul Greengrass's shaky camera but The Bourne Ultimatum is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. This is a bad idea on all levels. Universal is just as stupid as Fox
I love all 3 Bourne movies and think they continually got better as they went on. Sure I couldn't stand Paul Greengrass's shaky camera but The Bourne Ultimatum is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. This is a bad idea on all levels. Universal is just as stupid as Fox
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12:49PM on 10/28/2010
WHY THE FUCK WOULD BOURNE BE IN IT WHEN HE'S STORY WAS FINISHED and Bourne wasn't even his name
WHY THE FUCK WOULD BOURNE BE IN IT WHEN HE'S STORY WAS FINISHED and Bourne wasn't even his name
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12:15PM on 10/28/2010
Really, if they keep the continuity of the characters, and made a movie based in the aftermath of Ultimatum, with an option to bring back Jason in the next movie, then this could work. I really thought Gilroy might be able to entice Damon back, but for all I can tell, he's confident enough to do without. Ramirez would probably be a divisive play, but I've enjoyed him in everything I've seen him in, and hope he's the direction they choose to go in. Maybe Damon will make a cameo at the end or
Really, if they keep the continuity of the characters, and made a movie based in the aftermath of Ultimatum, with an option to bring back Jason in the next movie, then this could work. I really thought Gilroy might be able to entice Damon back, but for all I can tell, he's confident enough to do without. Ramirez would probably be a divisive play, but I've enjoyed him in everything I've seen him in, and hope he's the direction they choose to go in. Maybe Damon will make a cameo at the end or something. I'll wait until they're closer to having something solid to make my decision.
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12:02PM on 10/28/2010

Fundamental Flaw

The conclusion of this article, while understandable, goes against the NO BOURNE WITHOUT BOURNE title. Take a stand, man. Don't be wishy washy. "Well, maybe it could be good." That goes against the baby with the middle finger. We don't see Bond movies staring 006 and I don't want a Bourne movie without Damon.
The conclusion of this article, while understandable, goes against the NO BOURNE WITHOUT BOURNE title. Take a stand, man. Don't be wishy washy. "Well, maybe it could be good." That goes against the baby with the middle finger. We don't see Bond movies staring 006 and I don't want a Bourne movie without Damon.
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11:20AM on 10/28/2010

R.I.P.

Dear Mr Blo, just wondering if it would be ok if you could do me a little favour. If I send you a big bunch of flowers could you take them and place them at Universals grave site for me as this bullshit they are trying to do for an extra quick buck will pretty much be the death of them as I and oooh let's say the rest of the world will not be seeing this crap and therefore will start the eventual downfall of a once great movie company. NO BOURNE, NO TICKET.  Plain and simple. 
Dear Mr Blo, just wondering if it would be ok if you could do me a little favour. If I send you a big bunch of flowers could you take them and place them at Universals grave site for me as this bullshit they are trying to do for an extra quick buck will pretty much be the death of them as I and oooh let's say the rest of the world will not be seeing this crap and therefore will start the eventual downfall of a once great movie company. NO BOURNE, NO TICKET.  Plain and simple. 
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11:10AM on 10/28/2010

Drop the Bourne title

And just call it something else? Its not a bourne movie if MD's not in it. I love these types of movies though so i'd love them to start a NEW different trilogy.
And just call it something else? Its not a bourne movie if MD's not in it. I love these types of movies though so i'd love them to start a NEW different trilogy.
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10:58AM on 10/28/2010

Ben Foster as Bourne

I don't see what the big deal is. The Trilogy is great (except for the second one) and now there is a good opportunity to move on without Damon. Let him do some new stuff (He wants to step behind the camera)
As for replacing Bourne: I could see Ben Foster as Bourne (he was great in 3:10 to Yuma).
I don't see what the big deal is. The Trilogy is great (except for the second one) and now there is a good opportunity to move on without Damon. Let him do some new stuff (He wants to step behind the camera)
As for replacing Bourne: I could see Ben Foster as Bourne (he was great in 3:10 to Yuma).
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10:57AM on 10/28/2010
Can't stand Damon, so Bourne without Bourne is a great idea.
Can't stand Damon, so Bourne without Bourne is a great idea.
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12:43PM on 10/28/2010
Jesus Christ dude. WTF do you like? I mean first you say all of Cameron's movies sucked except Titanic and that Nolan is overrated. Now you don't like Matt Damon?
Jesus Christ dude. WTF do you like? I mean first you say all of Cameron's movies sucked except Titanic and that Nolan is overrated. Now you don't like Matt Damon?
1:00PM on 10/28/2010
how can you like matt damon? jesus, i could punch that guy in the face all over again.
back then when he and affleck were "in", i also couldn't stand affleck - but i like him now.
and besides that.. what i do like? uhm... pretty much every good movie and actor.
with damon it's "personal" though. he is a fine actor i just can't stand him.

ps: and you don't think nolan is overrated??
i just can't stand the pathetic overhype of the stupid masses. people who don't even know anything about
how can you like matt damon? jesus, i could punch that guy in the face all over again.
back then when he and affleck were "in", i also couldn't stand affleck - but i like him now.
and besides that.. what i do like? uhm... pretty much every good movie and actor.
with damon it's "personal" though. he is a fine actor i just can't stand him.

ps: and you don't think nolan is overrated??
i just can't stand the pathetic overhype of the stupid masses. people who don't even know anything about films or even watch them now suddenly are "in love" with nolan, just because inception (and tdn) was a little bit better than your usual dumb hollywood movie.
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10:36AM on 10/28/2010

Greengrass????

I've never gotten the hype for Greengrasses 2 movies. Identity is a far better movie then Supremacy or Ultimatum. Greengrasses shakey cam just kills a lot of the action for me. Nothing was more bad ass then Bourne stalking the Professor in that field. Sergical, methodical, bad ass.
I've never gotten the hype for Greengrasses 2 movies. Identity is a far better movie then Supremacy or Ultimatum. Greengrasses shakey cam just kills a lot of the action for me. Nothing was more bad ass then Bourne stalking the Professor in that field. Sergical, methodical, bad ass.
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12:04PM on 10/28/2010
I'm not sure which one is better, but I know which film had the best [link] Greengrass needs to hold the camera still!
I'm not sure which one is better, but I know which film had the best [link] Greengrass needs to hold the camera still!
10:31AM on 10/28/2010

My choice

Is Josh Harnett still acting? No seriously, I know its sounds weird but watching him in Black Hawk Down he has the intensity & in Hollywood Homicide (towards the end) he shows that he's good with a gun. He just needs to know how to know martial-arts.

Otherwise I think the Jason Bourne character will be in a more of a supporting role, with footage here and there (not stock/archive footage from previous films).

2nd choice: Paul Walker (the dude really needs a big-breakout role)
Is Josh Harnett still acting? No seriously, I know its sounds weird but watching him in Black Hawk Down he has the intensity & in Hollywood Homicide (towards the end) he shows that he's good with a gun. He just needs to know how to know martial-arts.

Otherwise I think the Jason Bourne character will be in a more of a supporting role, with footage here and there (not stock/archive footage from previous films).

2nd choice: Paul Walker (the dude really needs a big-breakout role)
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9:53AM on 10/28/2010

Edgar Ramirez

i second the idea of spinning off the franchise with Edgar Ramirez's character, Paz. i saw Ramirez in Carlos and he was absolutely amazing. and he was a scene-stealer as Choco in Domino. his fluency in 5 languages would also add to his character and make him a very international "threat". as for story-continuity, based on what Gilroy said, it definitely sounds like a logical way of continuing the series without Bourne. better to go with a character that was in a previous film than create
i second the idea of spinning off the franchise with Edgar Ramirez's character, Paz. i saw Ramirez in Carlos and he was absolutely amazing. and he was a scene-stealer as Choco in Domino. his fluency in 5 languages would also add to his character and make him a very international "threat". as for story-continuity, based on what Gilroy said, it definitely sounds like a logical way of continuing the series without Bourne. better to go with a character that was in a previous film than create someone completely new. and seeing as he was the only assassin Bourne let live, and the exchange they had at the end of Ultimatum, i can definitely picture a spin-off for Paz.
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9:44AM on 10/28/2010
There is no Bourne without Damon. Damon is Bourne and was the biggest reason why the Bourne movies were so successful. The trilogy was perfect and it's a really dumb idea to just expand on that when the Ultimatum ended the trilogy in full circle.
There is no Bourne without Damon. Damon is Bourne and was the biggest reason why the Bourne movies were so successful. The trilogy was perfect and it's a really dumb idea to just expand on that when the Ultimatum ended the trilogy in full circle.
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9:39AM on 10/28/2010
I would choose NO ONE to take over. Bourne without Damon is like Pizza without the dough, or water without the wet.
I would choose NO ONE to take over. Bourne without Damon is like Pizza without the dough, or water without the wet.
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8:45AM on 10/28/2010
No Damon - no Bourne - would be like Downey Jr turning the Iron Man suit over to Zac Efron
No Damon - no Bourne - would be like Downey Jr turning the Iron Man suit over to Zac Efron
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9:30AM on 10/28/2010
That would be a midnight screening for me. How could you turn down a trainwreck of that proportion?
That would be a midnight screening for me. How could you turn down a trainwreck of that proportion?
8:42AM on 10/28/2010
As long as Matt Damon is physically able to play an action role, they should never recast this part. A reboot (10 - 20 years down the road) with a new actor makes some sense. I still personally wouldn't do it, but making a new one so soon after the first 3 (possibly my favorite trilogy ever, I mean you can't beat that ending) even with Damon is unnecessary...WITHOUT Damon it's just stupid.
As long as Matt Damon is physically able to play an action role, they should never recast this part. A reboot (10 - 20 years down the road) with a new actor makes some sense. I still personally wouldn't do it, but making a new one so soon after the first 3 (possibly my favorite trilogy ever, I mean you can't beat that ending) even with Damon is unnecessary...WITHOUT Damon it's just stupid.
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8:40AM on 10/28/2010

Forget it

I wont be seeing this movie. Universal doesn't care about the integrity of its franchises. All they care about is making a quick buck and i won't be contributing to that.
I wont be seeing this movie. Universal doesn't care about the integrity of its franchises. All they care about is making a quick buck and i won't be contributing to that.
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8:38AM on 10/28/2010
Damon is open too returning too Bourne possibly after he does Liberace(depending on Michael Douglas)next year so I find it strange the studio couldn't wait.
Damon is open too returning too Bourne possibly after he does Liberace(depending on Michael Douglas)next year so I find it strange the studio couldn't wait.
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8:06AM on 10/28/2010

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Nobody. Without Matt Damon, Bourne is no more. It's not like the Bond franchise where each film has a completely different premise, villain, etc.
Nobody. Without Matt Damon, Bourne is no more. It's not like the Bond franchise where each film has a completely different premise, villain, etc.
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