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C'mon Hollywood: Stop confusing entertainment and politics!

Jan. 15, 2013by: Paul Shirey

This week, director Kathryn Bigelow’s ZERO DARK THIRTY hit theaters, finally allowing the general movie-going public to see what all the fuss was about. It’s already swept numerous critical awards and most recently netted actress Jessica Chastain a best actress Golden Globe. Depicting the ten-year long manhunt for the most wanted man in the world, Osama Bin Laden, the film dives deep into the methods involved in that hunt, including the use of torture, which has stirred a massive level of controversy.

Torture was already controversial, long before ZERO DARK THIRTY ever played on the big screen, but for audiences being indoctrinated into it for the first time, it has had mixed effects. Some believe it is necessary, while others believe it is morally wrong. Hence, controversy. I’m not here to put that to rest. It’s impossible. It will always be a divisive issue, just like abortion, gun control, etc. However, I think that the backlash against it being depicted in the film is ridiculous and those that are attempting to boycott the film as a result are basically saying that general audiences aren’t equipped to make up their own mind on how to feel about the issue presented to them.

In an article written on truth-out.org, Academy of Motion Arts and Sciences member David Clennon condemns the film, saying that it “condones torture” and calls on all academy members to shun the film by not casting any votes in its nominated categories. Joining his ranks are the likes of Martin Sheen and Ed Asner, both of whom have urged Academy members to “sign onto the letter” and join his crusade against the film. In an e-mail to the L.A. Times, Clennon went on to say that the protagonists of ZERO DARK THIRTY are basically criminals, stating, “The real-life models for Dan and Maya [two CIA operatives in the film] have disgraced, shamed our country.”

Personally, I found the depiction of torture to be uneasy, but it didn’t affect me in a way that would call for a boycott. I never once felt that the film led me to feel one way or the other about it. I know my own bias and my own feelings. No movie is going to change that. Nor is a Hollywood activist. Sony Pictures studio head, Amy Pascal, was quick to jump to the movie’s defense, stating, “We are outraged that any responsible member of the academy would use their voting status in AMPAS as a platform to advance their own political agenda. This film should be judged free of partisanship. To punish an artist's right of expression is abhorrent.” I agree wholeheartedly.


Ultimately, people like Clennon are saying that we can’t decide for ourselves where the line is drawn between reality and entertainment and he has taken his own moral and political self-righteousness to define just what art is and what art isn’t. He is also an expert in war, since he obviously has a solution for how to gather intelligence that bests the CIA and every military force in the world. Personally, I’d love to see Clennon spend a month at war (a day won’t do) and see how he feels then. It’s easy to be an armchair expert having never spent a day in the trenches. Certainly, Clennon is entitled to his opinion, but using it to blacklist a movie? I don't think so. The same goes for those who have lashed out and labeled the film negatively having never seen it.  Really?

If your search for the facts begins and ends with a 2.5 hour long movie then your card is already punched. According to Clennon, and every other Hollywood activist and Senatorial committee, we, as viewers, cannot discern fact from fiction and aren’t smart enough to do our own research to find the real answers. According to them, we are mindless drones who only respond to two-hour blocks of entertainment and thus, must be “shielded” from that which may influence us “wrongly.” I’d really like to know when movies were regarded as history books. It’s simply not possible to cover every single angle of an event in a two-hour movie. Anyone who thinks otherwise is disconnected from reality.

And if we are assuming that movies present a danger of showing misinformation or glorifying horrible events, will Clennon speak out against the depiction of Jews being slaughtered in SCHINDLER’S LIST? What about corrupt police in CRASH or THE DEPARTED? Or how about the torture scenes in THE DEER HUNTER? Or the abuse of Hobbits in THE RETURN OF THE KING (enduring multiple endings can be trying)? The vast majority of Oscar-winning films are full of controversy, both moral and political. I tend to think that that’s part of the reason they’re nominated in the first place; because they challenge the viewer, like any good art should.

I found ZERO DARK THIRTY to be an amazing portrait of the hunt for Bin Laden. It presented the information in a manner that challenged and provoked, and I loved it. It was intense, brutal, and portrayed some very real scenes (as a former Paratrooper who served in both Afghanistan and Iraq, many hit home) and some questionable ones. It’s totally cool if you don’t agree. I don’t expect you to agree with me. I expect, and respect, your ability to make up your own mind and to likewise leave others to do the same. Art is subjective and sometimes it pisses people off. Sometimes there are things in it that you don’t agree with. That’s fine. You may call it propaganda, I may call it art, either way it's not up to any one person to decide. My advice to the Hollywood fringe that want to censor a film because of their own agenda is to leave it at their doorstep. If controversial films disturb you, then you’re in the wrong business. Me, I'm perfectly capable of deciding what I will and won't watch and just what is and isn't true.

Thanks, though.

Extra Tidbit: Besides Chairman of the Board, do you feel there is a movie that should be boycotted by, oh, say, the world? If so, who decides that for you?
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2:47AM on 01/17/2013
What about Argo?it twisted lot of facts.it unfairly glorified the role of the CIA and minimized the role of the Canadian government, particularly that of Ambassador Taylor, in the extraction operation.
What about Argo?it twisted lot of facts.it unfairly glorified the role of the CIA and minimized the role of the Canadian government, particularly that of Ambassador Taylor, in the extraction operation.
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1:40AM on 01/16/2013

I agree with the argument but...

I agree with the general premise of Paul's argument, and after hearing stories against Zero Dark Thirty and interviews with the director on the radio, I take a bit of an exception on certain members of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences pressuring other members to boycott the categories the movie has been nominated. The only but is that film is how we've come to learn history and people do not dig deeper on the events that the film depicts and its historical perspective. I know
I agree with the general premise of Paul's argument, and after hearing stories against Zero Dark Thirty and interviews with the director on the radio, I take a bit of an exception on certain members of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences pressuring other members to boycott the categories the movie has been nominated. The only but is that film is how we've come to learn history and people do not dig deeper on the events that the film depicts and its historical perspective. I know we have the means to do this, but most don't and that worries me.

Our political leaders already lack intellectual curiosity and many even accept the depictions and broad themes in film as fact. This worries me as it leads to rash policy and cliche as politics.

Nonetheless, Paul is totally right in his argument that this attempt to pressure is pathetic. I find it amusing though that both conservative Republicans like Lindsey Graham in the Senate and liberal Democrats like Martin Sheen are both decrying Zero Dark Thirty. Perhaps we may have found that magical bridge between the parties all have been looking for.

Personally, I could care less for the AMPAS and the Academy Awards. After all, it has become a bloated festival of self-congatulation where we gawk at some shocking speech by some actor/director and snicker at the fashion decisions of the invitees. David Clennon's, Ed Asner's, and Martin Sheen's effort is taking the controversy to the Internet age by doing openly what the studios have done for a while with their "For Your Consideration" packages ofAcademy Awards of yore.
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6:55PM on 01/15/2013

I couldn't agree more

"I dont expect you to agree with me. I expect, and respect, your ability to make up your own mind and to likewise leave others to do the same."
"I dont expect you to agree with me. I expect, and respect, your ability to make up your own mind and to likewise leave others to do the same."
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6:28PM on 01/15/2013
Paul this is the best article i've read in a long time, wow.
Paul this is the best article i've read in a long time, wow.
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5:09PM on 01/15/2013
I can not believe it.........just check http://2.gp/qmqA
I can not believe it.........just check http://2.gp/qmqA
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3:23PM on 01/15/2013
Great article and I couldn't agree more. People have been quick to jump to conclusions without having seen the film at all or having misinterpreted the films inclusion of torture. My opinion is that those who view this film in any way as pro-torture have gone in with per-conceptions about the film. They've already made up their mind beforehand that the film is for the use of torture and in so doing, see it as having the message that torture works, when in fact, it does not. Not only are the
Great article and I couldn't agree more. People have been quick to jump to conclusions without having seen the film at all or having misinterpreted the films inclusion of torture. My opinion is that those who view this film in any way as pro-torture have gone in with per-conceptions about the film. They've already made up their mind beforehand that the film is for the use of torture and in so doing, see it as having the message that torture works, when in fact, it does not. Not only are the torture scenes incredibly uncomfortable, but they are only shown at the very beginning of the film, and shown to not work as well. It just amazes me that people in this country want truth and justice, but the moment the truth becomes ugly, they don't want to know anything about it.
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3:08PM on 01/15/2013
I haven't seen the film nor want to. Not my kind of movie. That said I don't see why this is a huge issue. Movies are movies and this isn't the first time a "based on true events" movie has been made. Should we complain about the people that died in Titanic? Honestly, this issue shouldn't have any affect for the Oscars...which I also do not watch.
Secondly, I gather alkeida are tortured in the film and shown that this method fails which means things changed. I don't have to see the film to
I haven't seen the film nor want to. Not my kind of movie. That said I don't see why this is a huge issue. Movies are movies and this isn't the first time a "based on true events" movie has been made. Should we complain about the people that died in Titanic? Honestly, this issue shouldn't have any affect for the Oscars...which I also do not watch.
Secondly, I gather alkeida are tortured in the film and shown that this method fails which means things changed. I don't have to see the film to get that message, torture doesn't work. Kudo's for them for not going all Hollywood American bias and showing some true colours. That's part of the facts. Torture, tried it, doesn't work so lets use our brains. Whether or not that happened, I don't know. Based on fact doesn't make it the whole fact. One truth is, the Academy has no real reason to boycott this film considering the YEARS AND YEARS of movies that have come and gone with the same "political" issues.
Get over yourselves.

As for the Taken and 24 being fiction, well people ARE kidnapped from other countries and sold as sex slaves. That part aint fiction.
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3:00PM on 01/15/2013
If the torture did indeed occur it shouldn't be omitted from the movie. Regardless how you feel about it, from accounts I've read we got good intel on terrorists operatives from water boarding. Even if the majority of water boarding produced no valuable information, and many think it's ineffective, it doesn't change the fact that we do it and probably will continue to.
If the torture did indeed occur it shouldn't be omitted from the movie. Regardless how you feel about it, from accounts I've read we got good intel on terrorists operatives from water boarding. Even if the majority of water boarding produced no valuable information, and many think it's ineffective, it doesn't change the fact that we do it and probably will continue to.
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1:52PM on 01/15/2013
24 and Taken are fiction whereas Zero Dark Thirty is based in fact. We know that torture of detainees took place during the aftermath of 9/11 so if that's what happened then that's what I want to see. Zero Dark Thirty, to me, was fascinating and largely unbiased. I left the theater with a far greater understanding of what was involved in the process but my opinion on the use of torture was unaffected. I'm glad nothing was candy coated and abhor the idea of "crusades" to influence the academy.
24 and Taken are fiction whereas Zero Dark Thirty is based in fact. We know that torture of detainees took place during the aftermath of 9/11 so if that's what happened then that's what I want to see. Zero Dark Thirty, to me, was fascinating and largely unbiased. I left the theater with a far greater understanding of what was involved in the process but my opinion on the use of torture was unaffected. I'm glad nothing was candy coated and abhor the idea of "crusades" to influence the academy. The film depicted events that took place and the audience (rather than the likes of David Clennon and Martin Sheen) should decide on how they feel about that.
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1:35PM on 01/15/2013
Thank you for your service Paul. Well written article.
Thank you for your service Paul. Well written article.
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2:50PM on 01/15/2013
Appreciate that, mayhem.
Appreciate that, mayhem.
1:34PM on 01/15/2013

who really cares?

i could care less if there is a political meaning in a movie.
its like when will it stop
first its political meanings in a movie
then its religious meanings in a movie
then who knows
its not a big deal, unless it adds nothing to the story
if it goes with the story i am all for it
just dont throw in some random political meaning that does nothing for the advancment of the story
i could care less if there is a political meaning in a movie.
its like when will it stop
first its political meanings in a movie
then its religious meanings in a movie
then who knows
its not a big deal, unless it adds nothing to the story
if it goes with the story i am all for it
just dont throw in some random political meaning that does nothing for the advancment of the story
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12:36PM on 01/15/2013
I don't even care about the particular issues surrounding this movie. But the title of the article is what I find offensive.
Stop confusing entertainment and politics? That's like saying "Stop thinking". If a movie has political undertones or overtones, then its viewers have every right to analyze them. I hate how in nearly every facet of life, there are people who keep saying "you think too much", or "why can't you just have fun?" It pisses me off because thought and fun are not mutually
I don't even care about the particular issues surrounding this movie. But the title of the article is what I find offensive.
Stop confusing entertainment and politics? That's like saying "Stop thinking". If a movie has political undertones or overtones, then its viewers have every right to analyze them. I hate how in nearly every facet of life, there are people who keep saying "you think too much", or "why can't you just have fun?" It pisses me off because thought and fun are not mutually exclusive. But more importantly, even when they are mutually exclusive, it doesn't mean one must negate the other. If you're going to tell people to just have fun, I hope you're saying it while spending every day of your life bouncing drunkenly on a trampoline while jacking off at the same time. Because only then can you be having all the fun you want, without having to allow a single thought to cross your mind. When you tell me to reduce my thinking, I tell you to fuck yourself.
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12:55PM on 01/15/2013
You're literally arguing my exact point. Except with much more trampoline jumping and masturbation.
You're literally arguing my exact point. Except with much more trampoline jumping and masturbation.
1:00PM on 01/15/2013
You just insulted him.

According to the site owner you are banned?

No?

I wonder why not.

Why don't you try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating conditioned jargon? Did you whine about Game Change? No? Did you whine when Madmen insulted Romney? No?

So really you're whining because this doesn't have any political direction to the viewer and the lack of bias offends you. In fact I'[m 100% positive that is it. So go fuck yourself, OP.
You just insulted him.

According to the site owner you are banned?

No?

I wonder why not.

Why don't you try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating conditioned jargon? Did you whine about Game Change? No? Did you whine when Madmen insulted Romney? No?

So really you're whining because this doesn't have any political direction to the viewer and the lack of bias offends you. In fact I'[m 100% positive that is it. So go fuck yourself, OP.
4:47PM on 01/15/2013
How is this troll still able to post on this site? Every single one of his posts is negative & full of insults towards other posters
How is this troll still able to post on this site? Every single one of his posts is negative & full of insults towards other posters
9:21AM on 01/16/2013
How am I trolling by responding to nonsensical negative comments about a great movie?

Where do I insult people in the post you followed?

Let me guess: another fat four eyed guy who disagrees with the movie and is guilty of the idiotic behavior I've been pointing out? Let's check your picture. Yup.

The message is pretty clear: even joblo is infected with liberalism. People with irrational fears of the real world and the military so they're whining online.

Go TROLL elsewhere, Phil.
How am I trolling by responding to nonsensical negative comments about a great movie?

Where do I insult people in the post you followed?

Let me guess: another fat four eyed guy who disagrees with the movie and is guilty of the idiotic behavior I've been pointing out? Let's check your picture. Yup.

The message is pretty clear: even joblo is infected with liberalism. People with irrational fears of the real world and the military so they're whining online.

Go TROLL elsewhere, Phil.
12:27PM on 01/15/2013

Depiction is not advocation

It's baffling how these allegedly intelligent adults don't seem to understand this basic concept. Sadly, it appears that the filmmakers thought too highly of some audience members being able to make that distinction.
It's baffling how these allegedly intelligent adults don't seem to understand this basic concept. Sadly, it appears that the filmmakers thought too highly of some audience members being able to make that distinction.
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12:16PM on 01/15/2013

Going to see it now.

I was possibly going to check this out when it hit the redbox or something. But now that calls for academy members to shun the film ensures that I will be seeing it in theaters this week. Don't tell me how to think and feel, I'll decide for myself thank you
I was possibly going to check this out when it hit the redbox or something. But now that calls for academy members to shun the film ensures that I will be seeing it in theaters this week. Don't tell me how to think and feel, I'll decide for myself thank you
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11:55AM on 01/15/2013
I'm going to preface this by admitting that i haven't seen zero dark thirty, nor do i plan to because i have no desire to have fascist propaganda spewed in my face. That's all i see in the trailers. You say that people are missing the point, that the movie shows that torture doesn't work, but you are missing the point. This movie still justifies torture because of that "what if?". "Sure it didn't work this time but maybe next time." Movies like this just make excuses for war criminals, from
I'm going to preface this by admitting that i haven't seen zero dark thirty, nor do i plan to because i have no desire to have fascist propaganda spewed in my face. That's all i see in the trailers. You say that people are missing the point, that the movie shows that torture doesn't work, but you are missing the point. This movie still justifies torture because of that "what if?". "Sure it didn't work this time but maybe next time." Movies like this just make excuses for war criminals, from those "just doin their job" to the commander-in-chief.
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11:52AM on 01/15/2013
I'm going to preface this by admitting that i haven't seen zero dark thirty, nor do i plan to because i have no desire to have fascist propaganda spewed in my face. That's all i see in the trailers. You say that people are missing the point, that the movie shows that torture doesn't work, but you are missing the point. This movie still justifies torture because of that "what if?". "Sure it didn't work this time but maybe next time." Movies like this just make excuses for war criminals, from
I'm going to preface this by admitting that i haven't seen zero dark thirty, nor do i plan to because i have no desire to have fascist propaganda spewed in my face. That's all i see in the trailers. You say that people are missing the point, that the movie shows that torture doesn't work, but you are missing the point. This movie still justifies torture because of that "what if?". "Sure it didn't work this time but maybe next time." Movies like this just make excuses for war criminals, from those "just doin their job" to the commander-in-chief.
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11:56AM on 01/15/2013
Judging a book by its cover always works out so well for people. There's no point missed here; You just proved mine.
Judging a book by its cover always works out so well for people. There's no point missed here; You just proved mine.
12:12PM on 01/15/2013
Please make a point. Any point. Whining is childish and having a completely irrational fear of reality doesn't do much to build any sort of credibility for your opinion which isn't even based on the movie. It's based on the voices in your head that sound not unlike Chris Matthews.
That's for the OP.
Please make a point. Any point. Whining is childish and having a completely irrational fear of reality doesn't do much to build any sort of credibility for your opinion which isn't even based on the movie. It's based on the voices in your head that sound not unlike Chris Matthews.
That's for the OP.
3:11PM on 01/15/2013
As you stated, you haven't seen the movie, so you have no idea what you're talking about. There's no propaganda here, only your per-conceived notion that this film contains propaganda. If things were created the way you see they should be, then everything would be completely biased because you feel it condones one thing or the other. So, in your estimation, a film about the hunt for Osama Bin Laden shouldn't be made? Because you can't have that film without showing the torture that was used.
As you stated, you haven't seen the movie, so you have no idea what you're talking about. There's no propaganda here, only your per-conceived notion that this film contains propaganda. If things were created the way you see they should be, then everything would be completely biased because you feel it condones one thing or the other. So, in your estimation, a film about the hunt for Osama Bin Laden shouldn't be made? Because you can't have that film without showing the torture that was used. And, in fact, you're wrong as the film makes no assertion that torture would have work or ever did work. In fact, the only thing they show actually working is when the guys are nice to the prisoners. But, I suppose you would rather have them show only one side of the story to fit your moral views.
11:37AM on 01/15/2013

Hobbit abuse

Dude... what are you talking about??....
Dude... what are you talking about??....
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11:24AM on 01/15/2013
"Joining his ranks are the likes of Martin Sheen....."
Martin Sheen stared in Apocalypse Now which showed some rather brutal depictions of War. Will he be condemning that film any time soon (or perhaps asked to be digitally removed)? Watch a film, go discuss it over a drink afterwards and then agree to disagree. But condemning it publicly because it does not agree your your sense or right or wrong is just absurd.
"Joining his ranks are the likes of Martin Sheen....."
Martin Sheen stared in Apocalypse Now which showed some rather brutal depictions of War. Will he be condemning that film any time soon (or perhaps asked to be digitally removed)? Watch a film, go discuss it over a drink afterwards and then agree to disagree. But condemning it publicly because it does not agree your your sense or right or wrong is just absurd.
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3:56PM on 01/15/2013
Trying to compare an artistic commentary on the shameful Vietnam war, and a piece of propaganda like Zero Dark Thirty is like comparing apples to oranges. You're ridiculous.
Trying to compare an artistic commentary on the shameful Vietnam war, and a piece of propaganda like Zero Dark Thirty is like comparing apples to oranges. You're ridiculous.
4:47PM on 01/15/2013
^^^^^^^
You probably haven't seen either movie.

0 Dark Thirty contains 0 propaganda.

Quit being silly.
^^^^^^^
You probably haven't seen either movie.

0 Dark Thirty contains 0 propaganda.

Quit being silly.
11:20AM on 01/15/2013
It's like Art. One guy might say this object is an art. The other guy might see it as a garbage. I think audiences can decide for themselves, Mr. Clennon.
It's like Art. One guy might say this object is an art. The other guy might see it as a garbage. I think audiences can decide for themselves, Mr. Clennon.
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10:42AM on 01/15/2013
Paul, while I generally share your opinion regarding controversial films and the Academy, I'm not sure this is ripe for a "C'mon Hollywood..." column. For one, I didn't even know this was happening until you wrote about it here. It would be better suited to a plain old JoBlo news article. I tend to think "C'mon Hollywood..." is better suited to broader arguments about the industry, using multiple examples to strengthen the case. Just my opinion, of course.
Paul, while I generally share your opinion regarding controversial films and the Academy, I'm not sure this is ripe for a "C'mon Hollywood..." column. For one, I didn't even know this was happening until you wrote about it here. It would be better suited to a plain old JoBlo news article. I tend to think "C'mon Hollywood..." is better suited to broader arguments about the industry, using multiple examples to strengthen the case. Just my opinion, of course.
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11:18AM on 01/15/2013
My usual M.O. is to narrow down on one topic or another, be it Adam Sandler, Batman, Die Hard, The Punisher, Dredd, Comedians making crappy movies, Tim Burton, etc. Be it a timely trend or one that's been around for a while, most topics are a good fit for C'mon Hollywood.

I'm genuinely surprised you aren't aware of the controversy surrounding Zero Dark Thirty. If you type the title into a Google search you will get back a plethora of results from all over the spectrum, most of them
My usual M.O. is to narrow down on one topic or another, be it Adam Sandler, Batman, Die Hard, The Punisher, Dredd, Comedians making crappy movies, Tim Burton, etc. Be it a timely trend or one that's been around for a while, most topics are a good fit for C'mon Hollywood.

I'm genuinely surprised you aren't aware of the controversy surrounding Zero Dark Thirty. If you type the title into a Google search you will get back a plethora of results from all over the spectrum, most of them containing the word "controversial."

It's all good, though. As I stated in the article, "I don't expect you to agree with me."
12:19PM on 01/15/2013
C'mon America is more appropriate.

The limp, whining contingent irreparably damage America's reputation every time they overly politicize anything that can be interpreted as possibly conflicting with their conditioned perspective.
They see military and scream propaganda. GAME CHANGE....fine. W....fine. Every libtard shtting propaganda on everything Hollywood pumps out whenever they have a chance and taking control of NBC and its associated properties, HBO, and more speaks to a coordinated
C'mon America is more appropriate.

The limp, whining contingent irreparably damage America's reputation every time they overly politicize anything that can be interpreted as possibly conflicting with their conditioned perspective.
They see military and scream propaganda. GAME CHANGE....fine. W....fine. Every libtard shtting propaganda on everything Hollywood pumps out whenever they have a chance and taking control of NBC and its associated properties, HBO, and more speaks to a coordinated attempt to manilupate the electorate.

Make a military oriented movie about the hunt for a man that was responsible for killing thousands of NYCers...no way...we can't have that....

How do these little crybaby motherfuckers not see how stupid they're making themselves look? America's left are the problem.

You will know the fascists when they come. They will be screaming 'we are not fascists!'.
10:36AM on 01/15/2013
This C'mon should really be directed at more than just Hollywood.

Seems like the most vocal critics on here won't watch it because they think Bin Laden is still alive and well, sipping pina coladas out of a coconut on a beach in Tahiti.
This C'mon should really be directed at more than just Hollywood.

Seems like the most vocal critics on here won't watch it because they think Bin Laden is still alive and well, sipping pina coladas out of a coconut on a beach in Tahiti.
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11:08AM on 01/15/2013
Sorry to be "that guy", and I've probably made that same typo before, but...
Sorry to be "that guy", and I've probably made that same typo before, but...
11:38AM on 01/15/2013
Last I checked, Obama was alive and well, drinking homebrewed beer in the White House. ;)
Last I checked, Obama was alive and well, drinking homebrewed beer in the White House. ;)
10:35AM on 01/15/2013

The irony is . . .

that torture in Zero Dark Thirty is shown not to work. They try torturing a guy, get nowhere and then use plain old detective work to find bin Laden. David Clennon's not just wrong-headed here, he plainly missed the point.
that torture in Zero Dark Thirty is shown not to work. They try torturing a guy, get nowhere and then use plain old detective work to find bin Laden. David Clennon's not just wrong-headed here, he plainly missed the point.
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10:33AM on 01/15/2013
People just want to feel like they're smart when they have something to rail about politically like this. I can't stand the backlash on ZD30, it's so unjustified.
People just want to feel like they're smart when they have something to rail about politically like this. I can't stand the backlash on ZD30, it's so unjustified.
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10:30AM on 01/15/2013
Liam Neeson electrocutes a guy and shoots an innocent woman in Taken to find his missing daughter, we cheer. Now torture is shown in another movie based on true life and the media go nuts. I maybe happened, it maybe didn't. but at the end its a movie, not real.
Liam Neeson electrocutes a guy and shoots an innocent woman in Taken to find his missing daughter, we cheer. Now torture is shown in another movie based on true life and the media go nuts. I maybe happened, it maybe didn't. but at the end its a movie, not real.
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10:42AM on 01/15/2013
Taken wasn't an Oscar candidate.
Taken wasn't an Oscar candidate.
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