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Mar. 13, 2012by:

This past weekend everyone seemed to be waiting with baited breath to see just how badly JOHN CARTER would do in theaters. Many (mostly fan boys) were excited to see the film, but overwhelming amounts were hungry to see Disney bleed. Although most fans of the genre walked away with positive remarks (despite a 50/50 split on reviews), the film failed to bring in massive numbers.

Audiences, much like Hollywood, will gamble on what they think is a sure thing. If you wonder why you see so many crappy movies that feel like overcooked sequels or monotonous franchises, then look no further than the box office for TRANSFORMERS, GROWN-UPS, TWILIGHT, SHREK, and THE CHIPMUNKS to name just a few. All of these are typically movies people say they hate, yet were massive successes at the box office, continuing the lifeline of celluloid crap.  So, why did they succeed more than JOHN CARTER?

Most of the fault lies in marketing. For one, they could’ve worked harder to get director Andrew Stanton to play ball in the live-action realm. Giving the keys to the city to any director is a gamble and a little oversight wouldn’t hurt, especially when your gamble is $250 million. Also, dropping the “of Mars” from the title seems to be a major problem for most people and Disney should’ve stuck with it. The movie is about John Carter…on Mars. Your typical moviegoer is not going to be drawn to a simple name. Yeah, Mars movies have got some bad stigma to begin with, but it’s not like Disney execs didn’t know that when they greenlit the damn thing.

The title should have been: Edgar Rice Burroughs’ JOHN CARTER OF MARS. Each trailer and poster should reiterate who the hell Burroughs was (creator of Tarzan? Hello?) and why this property matters. There’s a lot of significance in what Burroughs’ work did for future generations and to ignore that is just stupid. Everyone from Lucas to Cameron has already torn their share of meat off the corpse, so it may do some good to remind people of whose corpse it was to begin with.

Secondly, the first full trailer should’ve been the first teaser, then built from there. When fan-made trailers eclipse your own in-house trailers then you know you have problems. While not everybody with Adobe Premiere is a stellar editor, there are some talented amateurs out there. Studios failing to heed that are in the wrong. You’re having your fan base SHOW you what they want for God’s sake! Take a hint!

The full trailer should’ve given enough back story into who JOHN CARTER was (i.e. his civil war roots and personal dilemma’s on Earth) and built up the fish-out-of-water story (show him discovering how to walk again, etc.). It should have introduced the struggle, building to a climax that leaves you feeling like you were just on a rollercoaster. Also, if your plot is going to be even mildly convoluted, then use some damn voice over. JOHN CARTER would’ve benefitted from a gravelly voice telling us what’s up.

Lastly, the posters and promotional materials were weak. Aside from the sweet Mondo poster, the red-and-orange-tinted posters are loud and obnoxious. There’s not much about them that would make you want to hang them on your wall. I think the marketing department failed miserably by not taking a cue from the Frazetta paintings that emulated the world of JOHN CARTER so well in the past and run with that concept. The movie is a genre throwback, so why shouldn’t the promotional material be as well? The marketing failed to inject the importance of the work until everyone had already wiped their cynical asses with the movie. It was too little, too late.

The saddest part about JOHN CARTER’s less than stellar opening is that it’s actually a good movie. It’s not perfect and has its problems, but the majority of film-loving people agree that it’s good, if not great. I foresee it being a moderate success with a cult following, but it’s doubtful it will generate enough money to see any future incarnations. It’s box office won’t be anywhere near as dismal as the naysayers would like, but it’s unlikely it will break any records. If anything, I think JOHN CARTER proves that even if you make a good film, a failure in marketing can sink its success, leaving it bested by a shitty Dr. Seuss movie that no one will remember.

Extra Tidbit: Other movies that failed at the box office, but later went on to become cult hits: Fight Club, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, Office Space, It's a Wonderful Life, Highlander, Gattaca, etc. You can fill in the rest...
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12:50AM on 03/13/2012
The fact that the promotional material did nothing to explain the story or sell it properly plus the poor placement of the release date is what I think ultimately led to this. If I didn't know any better I would have sworn that the entire movie was about a human fighting big white apes in a stadium, nothing more.

I'm sure it will make back the money just fine between theatre tickets and DVD/Blu-Ray sales but Disney made many mistakes and better learn from them.
The fact that the promotional material did nothing to explain the story or sell it properly plus the poor placement of the release date is what I think ultimately led to this. If I didn't know any better I would have sworn that the entire movie was about a human fighting big white apes in a stadium, nothing more.

I'm sure it will make back the money just fine between theatre tickets and DVD/Blu-Ray sales but Disney made many mistakes and better learn from them.
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5:11AM on 03/13/2012

Awesome Post

Couldn't say it better. As for marketing, let me just pointout 1 thing: I have 3 official trailers of John Carter saved on my PC, and none of them are more them 2 minutes long (1:43,2:00,1:38). In a time when almost every single movie has a full trailer of 2:30 minutes which even sometimes spill all storylines including the twist & turns of the movie (Dream House anyone?), HOW COME a tentpole movie with the budget of 250M+ couldn't have a proper length trailer & a linear summary?? What gives?
Couldn't say it better. As for marketing, let me just pointout 1 thing: I have 3 official trailers of John Carter saved on my PC, and none of them are more them 2 minutes long (1:43,2:00,1:38). In a time when almost every single movie has a full trailer of 2:30 minutes which even sometimes spill all storylines including the twist & turns of the movie (Dream House anyone?), HOW COME a tentpole movie with the budget of 250M+ couldn't have a proper length trailer & a linear summary?? What gives?
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10:38AM on 03/13/2012
I completely agree! Although I think the (first) teaser trailer is one of the best I have ever seen, so what do I know?
I completely agree! Although I think the (first) teaser trailer is one of the best I have ever seen, so what do I know?
10:17AM on 03/13/2012

extra tidbit

The Big Lebowski, Blade Runner, True Romance
The Big Lebowski, Blade Runner, True Romance
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10:37AM on 03/13/2012
Same with The Thing. That did horrible when it first came out.
Same with The Thing. That did horrible when it first came out.
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3:00AM on 03/13/2012
I'd say bad marketing and the lack of "Of Mars" in the title. If you put "Of Mars" in the title, at least the audience would know this movie takes place in SPACE in the poster.
I'd say bad marketing and the lack of "Of Mars" in the title. If you put "Of Mars" in the title, at least the audience would know this movie takes place in SPACE in the poster.
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10:35AM on 03/13/2012
The marketing, plain and simple. When ads for this 1st started showing up I figured Disney kiddie flick. That taste never really left. Then I found out more about it and when Conan is used, people don't think Arnold anymore, they think of that horrible shit film that came out last summer, that hurts it too. The source material is not known anymore. It's not like Lord of the Rings where pretty much EVERYONE has heard of it in some way or another. The marketing makes it look like a Star Wars rip
The marketing, plain and simple. When ads for this 1st started showing up I figured Disney kiddie flick. That taste never really left. Then I found out more about it and when Conan is used, people don't think Arnold anymore, they think of that horrible shit film that came out last summer, that hurts it too. The source material is not known anymore. It's not like Lord of the Rings where pretty much EVERYONE has heard of it in some way or another. The marketing makes it look like a Star Wars rip off kiddie flick. They dropped the ball big time on this one.

Extra TidBit: The Thing did horrible box office as well when it came out. Now look at it......getting ripped off and re-made..lol
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1:41AM on 03/13/2012
To me, the marketing had a "Prince of Persia" feel. Maybe it's just because it's from Disney. IDK I was just not intrigued to watch it until I read this article
To me, the marketing had a "Prince of Persia" feel. Maybe it's just because it's from Disney. IDK I was just not intrigued to watch it until I read this article
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1:25AM on 03/13/2012

Well...

for one, the marketing was crap. I think internet posters believe everyone is familiar with the original text and that's clearly not the case. They got a no name actor from a show that had a small following to play the lead, and it has one of the most generic titles of all time. oh... and most of all, it just flat out doesn't look that good. And say "it influenced so and so" all you want, the viewer doesn't give a crap. If you came first in text, but your story has been done 100 times on
for one, the marketing was crap. I think internet posters believe everyone is familiar with the original text and that's clearly not the case. They got a no name actor from a show that had a small following to play the lead, and it has one of the most generic titles of all time. oh... and most of all, it just flat out doesn't look that good. And say "it influenced so and so" all you want, the viewer doesn't give a crap. If you came first in text, but your story has been done 100 times on screen, no one cares about you being first in text anymore.
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3:15PM on 03/13/2012
Maybe because it's a movie about aliens, or mars, or aliens ON mars, or about cowboys, or about cavemen, or about the american revolution, or maybe no one has any idea what it's about which results in a lack of interest.
Maybe because it's a movie about aliens, or mars, or aliens ON mars, or about cowboys, or about cavemen, or about the american revolution, or maybe no one has any idea what it's about which results in a lack of interest.
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9:48AM on 03/14/2012

The Title.

John Carter ....who in the fuck is John Carter?. I think that's what happened.
John Carter ....who in the fuck is John Carter?. I think that's what happened.
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2:25PM on 03/13/2012

I agree. It WasThe Marketing.

I was pleasantly surprised by this film. One thing is certain, Andrew Stanton is a great director. This movie oozes all of the same Pixar greatness throughout. I hope Andrew Stanton continues live action direction because he is head and shoulders better than 99% of Hollywood directors working today. I was thoroughly impressed with his sharp and intelligent direction. He is the one director to watch out for.
I was pleasantly surprised by this film. One thing is certain, Andrew Stanton is a great director. This movie oozes all of the same Pixar greatness throughout. I hope Andrew Stanton continues live action direction because he is head and shoulders better than 99% of Hollywood directors working today. I was thoroughly impressed with his sharp and intelligent direction. He is the one director to watch out for.
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12:32PM on 03/13/2012

Civil War ....Mars

I would have been more drawn if the trailer showed him in his civil war scene as a foundation, then showed very minimal clips of him on Mars. Then I would have been curious on how he got on Mars. Instead, I see him on another planet at the get go and think his name name is corny to be a title for the film that I see has no correlation to Mars. Yeah, shot themselves in the marketing foot.
I would have been more drawn if the trailer showed him in his civil war scene as a foundation, then showed very minimal clips of him on Mars. Then I would have been curious on how he got on Mars. Instead, I see him on another planet at the get go and think his name name is corny to be a title for the film that I see has no correlation to Mars. Yeah, shot themselves in the marketing foot.
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6:59AM on 03/13/2012

*THE* reason: Written in *1911*

I think everyone is forgetting that this book is over 100 years old. Before spaceflight. Before proof that Mars is a dead rock in space. It's just not interesting to consider "Martians" in this day and age. There's no romantic "unknown" about Mars at all.
I think everyone is forgetting that this book is over 100 years old. Before spaceflight. Before proof that Mars is a dead rock in space. It's just not interesting to consider "Martians" in this day and age. There's no romantic "unknown" about Mars at all.
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3:18AM on 03/13/2012
First off , no one had any idea what this movie was about. All you see is a white guy with super strength and CGI people running around. Second, the huge DISNEY on top of every poster and promo probably didn't help, I like Disney, but for stuff like Bambi, not action movies. Rental as usual, if you want to save money , just buy a 55inch tv and a bluray player, rent these crap movies from netflix for $10 a month on bluray. Instead of paying $10 + to see it in the theater. 95% of movies now are
First off , no one had any idea what this movie was about. All you see is a white guy with super strength and CGI people running around. Second, the huge DISNEY on top of every poster and promo probably didn't help, I like Disney, but for stuff like Bambi, not action movies. Rental as usual, if you want to save money , just buy a 55inch tv and a bluray player, rent these crap movies from netflix for $10 a month on bluray. Instead of paying $10 + to see it in the theater. 95% of movies now are not worth seeing in the theater.
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10:50AM on 03/13/2012
It's been awhile since I have fully agreed with a C'mon, but I do here! Disney's marketing (aside from the first teaser trailer) was very bad, with some of the worst posters I have seen in a long time. This is from the director of "Wall-E", "Finding Nemo", and "A Bug's Life" (Stanton was co-director with Lasseter); how in the hell do they not advertise that? The marketing team failed in just about all respects.
It's been awhile since I have fully agreed with a C'mon, but I do here! Disney's marketing (aside from the first teaser trailer) was very bad, with some of the worst posters I have seen in a long time. This is from the director of "Wall-E", "Finding Nemo", and "A Bug's Life" (Stanton was co-director with Lasseter); how in the hell do they not advertise that? The marketing team failed in just about all respects.
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6:24AM on 03/13/2012

Perhaps

They should have toned down the Conan in space bit. Making it attractive for a larger audience.
They should have toned down the Conan in space bit. Making it attractive for a larger audience.
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1:40AM on 03/13/2012

List of reasons why

Marketing: Was junk, i have no i idea what this movie is about, looks like a human with super strength (seen swinging a chain with a 10 ton boulder on it? why cause Mar's gravity is 60% less then earth) is stuck on mars and gets involved in a war.
why is he on Mars? Is he trying to leave? is he Stuck there? Why is there a war? why is he leading it?
- don't tell me thats good marketing by leaving all these questions unanswered, it's Junk you should create a desire by giving information but
Marketing: Was junk, i have no i idea what this movie is about, looks like a human with super strength (seen swinging a chain with a 10 ton boulder on it? why cause Mar's gravity is 60% less then earth) is stuck on mars and gets involved in a war.
why is he on Mars? Is he trying to leave? is he Stuck there? Why is there a war? why is he leading it?
- don't tell me thats good marketing by leaving all these questions unanswered, it's Junk you should create a desire by giving information but not too much.

Similarities: Looks like disney said.. listen Avatar did great lets combine that, with our Prince of Persia, throw some Star Wars feeling in there, and a dash of Planet of the Apes. At least thats what i get from the trailers.

Release Date: The release date has nothing to do with their failure, their only competition was The Lorax which did a great job of marketing, i knew what his journey was about, and the purpose behind it. Which is why i went and saw the Lorax this weekend which was great.
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1:42PM on 03/13/2012

Marketing

Valid points. The funniest part is that the marketing team is actually credited in the film's end credits of the film. Something I had never seen before.
Valid points. The funniest part is that the marketing team is actually credited in the film's end credits of the film. Something I had never seen before.
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12:57PM on 03/13/2012
The Lorax crushed John Carter because movie going audiences crave family friendly fare. Face it people, the films that attract the average Jo Blo visitor may not be like that which the average movie goer wants to see. I like action films and I want to see John Carter (but I've been to damned busy), but I can also see how modern audiences may not feel entirely comfortable rooting for a protagonist who is a CONFEDERATE soldier on Mars. People want Dr. Seuss. Looks like The Lorax won fair and
The Lorax crushed John Carter because movie going audiences crave family friendly fare. Face it people, the films that attract the average Jo Blo visitor may not be like that which the average movie goer wants to see. I like action films and I want to see John Carter (but I've been to damned busy), but I can also see how modern audiences may not feel entirely comfortable rooting for a protagonist who is a CONFEDERATE soldier on Mars. People want Dr. Seuss. Looks like The Lorax won fair and square. Both films had plenty of marketing, it just comes down to appetite. I'll bet John carter sells more DVD's and Blu Rays down the road.
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11:05AM on 03/13/2012
I remember over a year ago seeing the teaser in theater and it did nothing for me. It hardly made sense. All I remember Is seeing a guy jumping through the sky... Then the title appeared and that gave me even less info. I saw it and honestly loved it but the only reason i went to see it was curiosity glad i did but i easily understand why its a bust at the box office. Im hoping word of mouth helps it bring in a few more bucks.
I remember over a year ago seeing the teaser in theater and it did nothing for me. It hardly made sense. All I remember Is seeing a guy jumping through the sky... Then the title appeared and that gave me even less info. I saw it and honestly loved it but the only reason i went to see it was curiosity glad i did but i easily understand why its a bust at the box office. Im hoping word of mouth helps it bring in a few more bucks.
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3:15PM on 03/15/2012

John Carter Was Awesome !!!

I enjoyed it, really enjoyed it, and you know how I know it was a good movie, cause my Wife stayed through the whole thing and didn't go for a smoke(which she does if she don't care for the movie) Hope the make the rest.
I enjoyed it, really enjoyed it, and you know how I know it was a good movie, cause my Wife stayed through the whole thing and didn't go for a smoke(which she does if she don't care for the movie) Hope the make the rest.
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9:56PM on 03/14/2012

uh, i'll tell you what happened...

the studio decided to dump it in the middle of MARCH and then blames the audience for not being receptive to their movie...uh, hello? MARCH MOVIES BOMB... nobody releases a $250k movie in MARCH... NOBODY... and we the audience shouldn't be blamed for a mediocre $30k box-office turnout (which is respectable for most March movies - but NOT respectable for a $250K Disney flick) Blame the studio.... they spent their money on a movie with an over inflated budget.
the studio decided to dump it in the middle of MARCH and then blames the audience for not being receptive to their movie...uh, hello? MARCH MOVIES BOMB... nobody releases a $250k movie in MARCH... NOBODY... and we the audience shouldn't be blamed for a mediocre $30k box-office turnout (which is respectable for most March movies - but NOT respectable for a $250K Disney flick) Blame the studio.... they spent their money on a movie with an over inflated budget.
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3:08PM on 03/13/2012

One Word...

Disney.
Disney.
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9:40PM on 03/14/2012
Ding!! Winner!!
Ding!! Winner!!
3:02PM on 03/13/2012
JC hasn't opened in my country as yet, but I'm still really excited to see it. I think lack of advertising and unfamiliarity with the character, might be two of the main reasons, why it hasn't done as well as it should.
JC hasn't opened in my country as yet, but I'm still really excited to see it. I think lack of advertising and unfamiliarity with the character, might be two of the main reasons, why it hasn't done as well as it should.
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7:04AM on 03/13/2012

DISNEY

Disney is the problem.
Disney is the problem.
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2:40AM on 03/13/2012
was that the fan made trailer on the bottom?
was that the fan made trailer on the bottom?
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2:42AM on 03/13/2012
That IS the fan-made trailer, kemosabe.
That IS the fan-made trailer, kemosabe.
11:12AM on 03/13/2012
wow, that IS pretty impressive.
wow, that IS pretty impressive.
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3:15PM on 03/15/2012

John Carter Was Awesome !!!

double post !!
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8:21PM on 03/13/2012

Quite agree

You make all great points Paul. As someone whose first exposure to Sci-Fi reading was through Burroughs, I love the movie and am stoked to return. But I have done a better job of convincing people to see it than marketing did. That's why I still give it hope for word of mouth. When more of the genre fans get clued in to what it is and how well done it is, I think business will slowly rise. BTW, is Mark Strong the go-to villain these days or what?
You make all great points Paul. As someone whose first exposure to Sci-Fi reading was through Burroughs, I love the movie and am stoked to return. But I have done a better job of convincing people to see it than marketing did. That's why I still give it hope for word of mouth. When more of the genre fans get clued in to what it is and how well done it is, I think business will slowly rise. BTW, is Mark Strong the go-to villain these days or what?
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6:05PM on 03/13/2012

Just 1 week so far.

I still think it's too soon to judge how well it will do overall. I'm seeing it today with a bunch of friends can't wait. For all you people hating on the movie when you haven't seen it yet are just little asshole that like to nip pick everything because you seen a lot of movies and you think that makes you know everything about movies.
I still think it's too soon to judge how well it will do overall. I'm seeing it today with a bunch of friends can't wait. For all you people hating on the movie when you haven't seen it yet are just little asshole that like to nip pick everything because you seen a lot of movies and you think that makes you know everything about movies.
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6:04PM on 03/13/2012

Just 1 week so far.

I still think it's too soon to judge how well it will do overall. I'm seeing it today with a bunch of friends can't wait. For all you people hating on the movie when you haven't seen it yet are just little asshole that like to nip pick everything because you seen a lot of movies and you think that makes you know everything about movies.
I still think it's too soon to judge how well it will do overall. I'm seeing it today with a bunch of friends can't wait. For all you people hating on the movie when you haven't seen it yet are just little asshole that like to nip pick everything because you seen a lot of movies and you think that makes you know everything about movies.
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12:15AM on 03/14/2012

JOHN CARTER RULES!

I loved it! Check out the full revire here: [link]
I loved it! Check out the full revire here: [link]
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6:54PM on 03/13/2012
Fuck taglines that say FROM THE DIRECTOR OF. Next year the new Tobe Hooper movie will still say FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and I'll say fuck you Tobe. If you still need credit for the only good movie you made 40 years ago you're a lousy director.

Do people really need those taglines? Did Pirates of the Caribbean fail because nobody knew the director? Did Avatar tank because the directors previous movie was Titanic that men so childishly don't watch because women like it?
Fuck taglines that say FROM THE DIRECTOR OF. Next year the new Tobe Hooper movie will still say FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and I'll say fuck you Tobe. If you still need credit for the only good movie you made 40 years ago you're a lousy director.

Do people really need those taglines? Did Pirates of the Caribbean fail because nobody knew the director? Did Avatar tank because the directors previous movie was Titanic that men so childishly don't watch because women like it?
Who gives a shit who made what before the current movie. If a movie is good, people will see it. If a movie should depend on the success of another movie it just isn't a very good movie.

Take for example M. Night Shyamalan. His first movies were good, his last movies sucked. So what is his next movie going to be? Should it automatically suck because his last movie sucked? Will it automatically be good, because he made good movies ten years ago? Or should every film be regarded as a single entity. Unbreakable isn't good because Sixth Sense was good. Last Airbender didn't suck because The Happening sucked.

Anyway, marketing isn't too blame here folks. The movie is just so mediocre. If the scenes on Earth are the best parts of a movie about Mars there is something wrong with the movie.
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8:26AM on 03/13/2012
If John Carter was an R-rated movie, I'm sure we'd all know what the excuse for its failure would be.
If John Carter was an R-rated movie, I'm sure we'd all know what the excuse for its failure would be.
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12:15AM on 03/14/2012

JOHN CARTER RULES!

I loved it! Check out the full revire here: [link]
I loved it! Check out the full revire here: [link]
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8:51AM on 03/13/2012
I really wanted to love this movie (being a big John Carter of Mars fan) but this movie was weak sauce. My biggest complaint was that they tried to make it too light-hearted and there was way too much exposition. Yes, when it comes to how it did at the box office we could all point at Disney for their horrible marketing, but at the end of the day the movie didn't capture the magic.
I really wanted to love this movie (being a big John Carter of Mars fan) but this movie was weak sauce. My biggest complaint was that they tried to make it too light-hearted and there was way too much exposition. Yes, when it comes to how it did at the box office we could all point at Disney for their horrible marketing, but at the end of the day the movie didn't capture the magic.
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2:55AM on 03/13/2012
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I personally enjoyed the "shitty Dr. Seuss" movie more than John Carter. Thanks for generalizing.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I personally enjoyed the "shitty Dr. Seuss" movie more than John Carter. Thanks for generalizing.
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1:15PM on 03/13/2012
Okay. This is simple folks. John Carter failed because even to those who enjoy science fiction, this film didn't look very good. Or interesting. And it wasn't. It was mediocre at best. Audiences have better instincts than what people think.
Okay. This is simple folks. John Carter failed because even to those who enjoy science fiction, this film didn't look very good. Or interesting. And it wasn't. It was mediocre at best. Audiences have better instincts than what people think.
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2:39AM on 03/13/2012

HMMMM

Blame all you want on marketing but the truth is the lead actor wasn't ready for a film like this. Yes the title will confuse the movie goers and a poster similar to Star Wars or Iron Man will be helpful but lately I get the feeling like with Conan, the audience doesn't believe the lead can carry the movie. Hollywood has done a good job in turning down action stars over animation and superheroes. Same issue with Jonah Hex and last years Cowboys and Aliens where the film was so serious you
Blame all you want on marketing but the truth is the lead actor wasn't ready for a film like this. Yes the title will confuse the movie goers and a poster similar to Star Wars or Iron Man will be helpful but lately I get the feeling like with Conan, the audience doesn't believe the lead can carry the movie. Hollywood has done a good job in turning down action stars over animation and superheroes. Same issue with Jonah Hex and last years Cowboys and Aliens where the film was so serious you hardly get any fun when the aliens show up and too many characters ruined a simple concept movie. I'd rather Harrison Ford carry the film on his own rather than leave Daniel Craig with a few expressions wasting his time and talent. CGI creatures could have looked more realistic period.
I am glad to some extent The Rock and Vin Diesel are trying to start up action careers again while we were left with Statham and Stallone to give out full body action flicks.
I like both of them but honestly Statham can be given better vehicles.
BTW don't with all the hate for Transformers but at least we get photo realistic sfx and robot action scenes which is what we want to see rather than complicated character driven moody film(cowboys and aliens).
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10:34AM on 03/13/2012
In all honesty, you lost me about halfway through. I am confused as to your point, or what Vin Diesel and The Rock had to do with anything. I am not saying you are wrong at all, just that I am so baffled by what it is you said I have no idea if I agree or not.
In all honesty, you lost me about halfway through. I am confused as to your point, or what Vin Diesel and The Rock had to do with anything. I am not saying you are wrong at all, just that I am so baffled by what it is you said I have no idea if I agree or not.
12:58AM on 03/16/2012
filmguy450, Sorry if I mislead you in anyway. The point I was trying to make was the action star was not established enough to draw in a crowd which was made worse by the lacklustre approach to film by the studio in some way. Secondly we hardly have bankable action stars or even full blown action films that attract large audience. It seems animation and superheroes are the way to go. Even Prince Of Persia had a similar effect of not being able to reach out.

Green Hornet, Prince Of Persia,
filmguy450, Sorry if I mislead you in anyway. The point I was trying to make was the action star was not established enough to draw in a crowd which was made worse by the lacklustre approach to film by the studio in some way. Secondly we hardly have bankable action stars or even full blown action films that attract large audience. It seems animation and superheroes are the way to go. Even Prince Of Persia had a similar effect of not being able to reach out.

Green Hornet, Prince Of Persia, Cowboys and Aliens,Doom, The Saint (1997),The A Team and Predators( both which I really liked) all didn't strike a cord with the mainstream audience.

What really baffles me is how well 'journey to mysterious island 2' is doing at the box office.

8:26AM on 03/13/2012
Tidbit: Scott Pilgrim hasn't become a cult hit, not in comparison to Fight Club and Office Space. The only people that are still loving Scott Pilgrim are the same people that went to see it in theathers: nerds!
Tidbit: Scott Pilgrim hasn't become a cult hit, not in comparison to Fight Club and Office Space. The only people that are still loving Scott Pilgrim are the same people that went to see it in theathers: nerds!
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9:40AM on 03/13/2012
totally agree...!!

To put Pilgrim on the same level as to Fight Club is just an insult
totally agree...!!

To put Pilgrim on the same level as to Fight Club is just an insult
10:20AM on 03/13/2012
Scott Pilgrim still has a cult following though. I think that's his point.
Scott Pilgrim still has a cult following though. I think that's his point.
10:40AM on 03/13/2012
Was he saying that SP was as big (in terms of cult hits) as the other two? Or was he just saying it did surprisingly well on it's DVD/ BR release and clearly has amassed a following, no matter how big or small?
Was he saying that SP was as big (in terms of cult hits) as the other two? Or was he just saying it did surprisingly well on it's DVD/ BR release and clearly has amassed a following, no matter how big or small?
12:16PM on 03/13/2012
I think he was saying that SP has a cult following, and it doesn't. I see regular avg joe's quote Fight Club, Office Space, etc all the time. I hear people say "you gotta check out such-and-such-movie." I never hear people say anything about Scott Pilgrim other than nerds on message boards. If there is a following, it hasn't built up enough people to be considered a cult 'hit.'
I think he was saying that SP has a cult following, and it doesn't. I see regular avg joe's quote Fight Club, Office Space, etc all the time. I hear people say "you gotta check out such-and-such-movie." I never hear people say anything about Scott Pilgrim other than nerds on message boards. If there is a following, it hasn't built up enough people to be considered a cult 'hit.'
5:00PM on 03/13/2012
A cult film, also commonly referred to as a cult classic, is a film that has acquired a highly devoted but specific group of fans...Scott Pilgrim absolutely fits in that category, whereas a movie, like, say Mercury Rising, doesn't.
A cult film, also commonly referred to as a cult classic, is a film that has acquired a highly devoted but specific group of fans...Scott Pilgrim absolutely fits in that category, whereas a movie, like, say Mercury Rising, doesn't.
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8:52AM on 03/13/2012
I can't speak for everyone, But the reasons I didn't want to see this movie are as follows.
-It stars the guy who botched the Gambit Character.
-I have seen the marketing and still have no idea what it is about Is there a villain? why is he on mars? why does he have super jumping abilities?
-It looked Boring
-Mars is Boring
-CGI looks bad and uninteresting.
I can't speak for everyone, But the reasons I didn't want to see this movie are as follows.
-It stars the guy who botched the Gambit Character.
-I have seen the marketing and still have no idea what it is about Is there a villain? why is he on mars? why does he have super jumping abilities?
-It looked Boring
-Mars is Boring
-CGI looks bad and uninteresting.
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10:21AM on 03/13/2012
Also the movie just was not that good. It does have an interesting concept but it was poorly executed with directing and writing.
Also the movie just was not that good. It does have an interesting concept but it was poorly executed with directing and writing.
10:45AM on 03/13/2012
To be fair, "Wolverine" 's script botched the character of Gambit, and while Kitsch wasn't all that good, he was just as good as everything else around him in that shit.
To be fair, "Wolverine" 's script botched the character of Gambit, and while Kitsch wasn't all that good, he was just as good as everything else around him in that shit.
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10:23AM on 03/13/2012
Maybe its me but I tried watching Scott Pilgrim a couple of weeks ago due to the generally decent reviews it received, I turned it off after 45 min, It seemed like I was watching an inside joke that only a few were going to understand. Was this designed for the manga/ Rock band gaming crowd?
Maybe its me but I tried watching Scott Pilgrim a couple of weeks ago due to the generally decent reviews it received, I turned it off after 45 min, It seemed like I was watching an inside joke that only a few were going to understand. Was this designed for the manga/ Rock band gaming crowd?
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11:19AM on 03/13/2012
Yep its you

just kiddin i personally love it but know some dont its an opinion really
Yep its you

just kiddin i personally love it but know some dont its an opinion really
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9:36AM on 03/13/2012
Am I the only who thinks it looks waaay to much like the Attack of the Clones??

Besides, this might be just me but.. too much CGI is just boring. I'd much better go watch a SciFi movie like MOON than something like this.

Another thing is the way the "story" was marketed, it looks way too "overdone".. new guy comes too town, he gets crap, shows his "skills" and then he is the hero.. woop de de doop..

Come on.. built some tension, show some interesting characters, not a CGI big
Am I the only who thinks it looks waaay to much like the Attack of the Clones??

Besides, this might be just me but.. too much CGI is just boring. I'd much better go watch a SciFi movie like MOON than something like this.

Another thing is the way the "story" was marketed, it looks way too "overdone".. new guy comes too town, he gets crap, shows his "skills" and then he is the hero.. woop de de doop..

Come on.. built some tension, show some interesting characters, not a CGI big doogy...

How come we are so interested in PROMETHEUS.. yet we know nothing about it?! We have come to a point were we have trailers.. for trailers! This is how you do it.

PLUS.. casting was terrible! Taylor Kitsch just sucks, sorry but he has 0 charisma. He killed Gambit!
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11:15AM on 03/13/2012
I stopped reading after you cited Attack of the Clones. *facepalm*
I stopped reading after you cited Attack of the Clones. *facepalm*
12:48PM on 03/13/2012
John Carter is based on an almost 100 year old book. So any similarities to other sci-fi is just because of the book being as old and influential as it is to the genre.
John Carter is based on an almost 100 year old book. So any similarities to other sci-fi is just because of the book being as old and influential as it is to the genre.
3:34PM on 03/13/2012
BATMAN is dated from 1939 yet we have seen VERY different takes on the story.

Just because the original source is old, you cannot have the freedom to give it an "interesting" take, and not make it look like a CGI crap-fest alas Attack of the Clones.
BATMAN is dated from 1939 yet we have seen VERY different takes on the story.

Just because the original source is old, you cannot have the freedom to give it an "interesting" take, and not make it look like a CGI crap-fest alas Attack of the Clones.
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8:38AM on 03/13/2012

It's no good

The reason it didn't do good was because it's not a good movie. Simple as that.
The reason it didn't do good was because it's not a good movie. Simple as that.
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10:42AM on 03/13/2012
I saw it with 4 other people, and the lowest anyone gave it was a B. Clearly, you have your opinion, which is fine, but not everyone agrees without at all.
I saw it with 4 other people, and the lowest anyone gave it was a B. Clearly, you have your opinion, which is fine, but not everyone agrees without at all.
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