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09.29.2011

Since hitting theaters three weeks ago, WARRIOR has only made a piddling $12 million. This despite sitting at a pretty damn impressive 84% fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes, and getting a CinemaScore of A, meaning that both critics and mainstream audiences loved the film. If it’s such a good film (and it is, I gave it a 10/10 that I stand by), why is it flopping?


Sure, it might breakout on DVD/Blu-ray, but for a film to be a money maker, it really needs to at least break-even at the box office. With a reported budget of $25 million (not including P&A), WARRIOR has a long way to go. This is a real shame, as if any film release in the last few months deserved to be a breakout hit, WARRIOR was the one. It’s an old-fashioned, rousing sports drama, in the tradition of classics like CHARIOTS OF FIRE, HOOSIERS, RUDY, and of course, ROCKY.

Why did it tank? Perhaps the MMA part of the movie was a tough sell, with the burly posters featuring Tom Hardy and Joel Edgerton shirtless and ripped made the film look a little too BEST OF THE BEST for the masses. This is downright tragic; as it should have appealed to the same wide audience THE FIGHTER did, with this even having a more family-friendly PG-13 to THE FIGHTER’s R-rating.

Then again, THE FIGHTER had stars, with Christian Bale and Mark Wahlberg having previously proved their mettle. The again, neither are a sure thing at the box office. More importantly, it had Oscar buzz. But dammit, WARRIOR could have had Oscar buzz too!


For one thing, releasing a film of this caliber in September, especially on the NFL's opening weekend, seems short-sighted. At the very least, it should have played the Toronto Film Festival where it would have obviously been well-received by the critics, and started some word of mouth. In my humble opinion, Lionsgate should have played TIFF, Venice or the NYFF and then opened the film limited in December, before expanding after the Oscar nominations are released.

Then again, look at another underperformer, DRIVE. Now, DRIVE has made fairly decent coin, sitting at $22 million in week number two, boasting only a $12 million budget. Considering how hardcore the film is, this is a pretty solid number, and a film like this will also do good business overseas and on DVD/Blu-ray. But, considering how good it is (another 10/10 from me, which I stand by), it should have been even bigger.

In this case, I don’t think Film District can be faulted, as they screened it at Cannes, the L.A Film Fest, and TIFF, with it playing to raves everywhere. They also came up with a fantastic trailer, and cool, Euro-style one-sheets. DRIVE’s failure to be a blockbuster is the most disturbing to me, as the CinemaScore is a C, making me wonder why audiences aren’t appreciating it like they should. Is it too smart? Too different? Too European?


If this is true, than it raises some disturbing questions about the movie going public in general, as it means audiences don’t want to be challenged anymore. This is tragic. The other day, I was reading Peter Biskind’s ‘Easy Riders, Raging Bulls’, and found it sad that in the seventies, truly challenging (and R-rated films) like THE EXORCIST, THE GODFATHER, and CHINATOWN could come out and be huge, blockbuster money makers. What’s the last truly challenging film that came out that made tons of money. INCEPTION? Sure, stuff with prestige like THE SOCIAL NETWORK, or even the recent MONEYBALL does well, but they don’t exactly become the massive money makers they would have been in another era.

Regardless, tastes seem to be changing, for the worst, and it’s a trend that needs to be reversed somehow. But how? Maybe as an audience, we need to be more selective. Maybe, if a blockbuster comes out and is truly mediocre, we need to be selective and say, with our wallets, “no, so-so is not good enough - you want our money, give us something great.” Then again, if great was want people really wanted, WARRIOR and DRIVE would be on their way to $100 million by now.

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Extra Tidbit: The fact that ABDUCTION made more on it's first weekend then WARRIOR did in almost it's whole run makes me ill.
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3:09PM on 09/30/2011
It does suck when good movies flop i agree with the person who said they were against lion king and lost. Because warrior was badass as far as action and story, can't say much for drive though. But a while ago I didn't see it but The Help was doing pretty good, so yeah i agree its just bad timing. That and America is turning into like the film Idiocracy, with our text messaging and our darn video games!
It does suck when good movies flop i agree with the person who said they were against lion king and lost. Because warrior was badass as far as action and story, can't say much for drive though. But a while ago I didn't see it but The Help was doing pretty good, so yeah i agree its just bad timing. That and America is turning into like the film Idiocracy, with our text messaging and our darn video games!
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6:41AM on 09/30/2011

BTW

to the writer(s): for someone seemingly caring so much about quality in theaters, you gave insulting, one-dimensional and boring crap like "Transformers 3" a pretty good score! WTF?
to the writer(s): for someone seemingly caring so much about quality in theaters, you gave insulting, one-dimensional and boring crap like "Transformers 3" a pretty good score! WTF?
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2:39AM on 09/30/2011

Maybe...

..."Idiocracy" isn't that far-fetched and we are slowly getting there...
..."Idiocracy" isn't that far-fetched and we are slowly getting there...
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2:21AM on 09/30/2011
People don't want great movies like these, they are too busy waiting for garbage like Twilight
People don't want great movies like these, they are too busy waiting for garbage like Twilight
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2:18AM on 09/30/2011
Maybe the reason Warrior didn't do so well was because of utterly cliched and corny the trailer was, that was enough to turn me off from seeing this film, hearing allt he good things about it, i'll probably catch it on DVD. Anyways contrary to what ths article says, this is NOT a recent development, it's quite common for critically acclaimed films to not do so well at the box-office, it's been going on for many years, tastes haven't really been changing all that much, it's just getting more
Maybe the reason Warrior didn't do so well was because of utterly cliched and corny the trailer was, that was enough to turn me off from seeing this film, hearing allt he good things about it, i'll probably catch it on DVD. Anyways contrary to what ths article says, this is NOT a recent development, it's quite common for critically acclaimed films to not do so well at the box-office, it's been going on for many years, tastes haven't really been changing all that much, it's just getting more noticeable now. I did see Drive, though I honestly don't get why people are calling it a masterpiece, I thought it was a pretty good film, but I certianly don't think it deserves a 10(i'd give it a 7). Abduction(which I admit to somewhat enjoying) may have done better then Warrior, but it's opening weekend can't exactly be called succesful since it only managed to get 4th place with 12 million dollars(for a 35 million dollar budget) Besides, it's not all bad for smarter films, look how succesful The Help was, it went from a limited release to becoming number one for several weeks, so I don't think you should give up hope yet.
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1:36AM on 09/30/2011
Warrior's performance is mystifying to me. I thought for sure it was going to be that movie that audiences rallied around. Perhaps they should have made it a proper fall release, aimed for Thanksgiving. But the movie will get the last laugh, it will assuredly be one they show on TNT or AMC a bajillion times like Shawshank Redemption (which similarly flopped in its initial release, but who amongst us can't quote that movie all day now?)
Warrior's performance is mystifying to me. I thought for sure it was going to be that movie that audiences rallied around. Perhaps they should have made it a proper fall release, aimed for Thanksgiving. But the movie will get the last laugh, it will assuredly be one they show on TNT or AMC a bajillion times like Shawshank Redemption (which similarly flopped in its initial release, but who amongst us can't quote that movie all day now?)
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1:34AM on 09/30/2011

Aint that America

So when movies like "Warrior" and "Drive" come out, I have the same hesitant opinion as most on this site. In fact, I'll usually wait for the reviews to start pouring in from shmoes and Joblo staff. While I don't consider either movie a 10/10, I did enjoy Warrior for what it was. Being an mma fan, I'd have to say it didn't take my interest by the previews. A lot of it had been done before and parts of it were quite corny but I enjoyed it.

As for "Drive," I would have to agree with many
So when movies like "Warrior" and "Drive" come out, I have the same hesitant opinion as most on this site. In fact, I'll usually wait for the reviews to start pouring in from shmoes and Joblo staff. While I don't consider either movie a 10/10, I did enjoy Warrior for what it was. Being an mma fan, I'd have to say it didn't take my interest by the previews. A lot of it had been done before and parts of it were quite corny but I enjoyed it.

As for "Drive," I would have to agree with many on the site that its not the movie that it was marketed as. The opening scene was great and very intense. The rest of the movie just left me with too many questions. There was too much of the film that i deemed unnecessary. I also didn't buy the relationship with Mulligan and her husband. In fact I felt most of the characters were too underdeveloped to bother caring about any of them. Not an awful movie by any means but I personally felt there was room for improvement.

I agree that a lot of movies easily get passed up by audiences but a lot of the time it is made up for when it hits home release. Others have posted very valid points about marketing not selling the movie properly and coming off as cliche.
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12:40AM on 09/30/2011

FUCK today's American Movie Goer.

In regards to the Extra Tidbit. However I should say I saw Warrior and Drive bombing a mile away. Drive more so, but not so much with Warrior (both get 10/10 from me as well), and that's a real shame.
In regards to the Extra Tidbit. However I should say I saw Warrior and Drive bombing a mile away. Drive more so, but not so much with Warrior (both get 10/10 from me as well), and that's a real shame.
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12:34AM on 09/30/2011
Sadly, people aren't interested in what's good, they want to see what entertains them. People would rather watch buildings explode for an hour than an entertaining story told in an original way. Audiences want the equivilant of a drug experience: something fast, exciting, and that they can forget about when it's over. Disposable filmmaking. The fact that Abduction did what it did just goes to show what people want to see these days, and it's NOT art.
Sadly, people aren't interested in what's good, they want to see what entertains them. People would rather watch buildings explode for an hour than an entertaining story told in an original way. Audiences want the equivilant of a drug experience: something fast, exciting, and that they can forget about when it's over. Disposable filmmaking. The fact that Abduction did what it did just goes to show what people want to see these days, and it's NOT art.
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11:58PM on 09/29/2011

Why did [insert title here] fail?

Mainly due to movies all looking the same now. Warrior looked like Rocky only with MMA and two brothers fighting. Drive looked like a much more boring version of the Transporter. Top it off with these movies being available on DVD in about 3-4 months from their theatrical release, sky-rocketing ticket prices for movies that feel no different than what you can already rent on dvd, and you've answered your own question.
I saw Warrior in the theater. It was a good movie, but it's not something
Mainly due to movies all looking the same now. Warrior looked like Rocky only with MMA and two brothers fighting. Drive looked like a much more boring version of the Transporter. Top it off with these movies being available on DVD in about 3-4 months from their theatrical release, sky-rocketing ticket prices for movies that feel no different than what you can already rent on dvd, and you've answered your own question.
I saw Warrior in the theater. It was a good movie, but it's not something I'm going to buy mainly because it was also a depressing movie as well. I want to go to the theater to be entertained, and forget my problems for a few hours, and also to see things I haven't seen before. For example, I saw Tucker and Dale VS Evil on Tues. and found that immensely more enjoyable than I found Warrior to be. Different genres, different tones, but I can see myself seeing Tucker and Dale a few times and buying the dvd, whereas Warrior is a one -and-done for me. Call me crazy, but I just don't like going to the movies to be depressed or bored.
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9:33PM on 09/29/2011

Who knows anymore...and who cares?

Yeah, most audiences today are dumb, but this is nothing new. Just as stupid audiences will always be around, so will smart audiences. There are still many good movies being made out there.
Yeah, most audiences today are dumb, but this is nothing new. Just as stupid audiences will always be around, so will smart audiences. There are still many good movies being made out there.
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9:01PM on 09/29/2011
Yeah I agree with Halflife. It's very depressing to see what sells out there. Like 2 great examples are the Twilight series and Transformers. While there is movies out there like Drive that should be pulling in more dough. I actually saw Drive on opening day and wanted to drag some friends with me. Two of them only cared about the fact that Ryan Gosling was in it. Im sorry but im a guy that loves women but you dont see me going out there purchasing everything that Megan Fox is in. And I thought
Yeah I agree with Halflife. It's very depressing to see what sells out there. Like 2 great examples are the Twilight series and Transformers. While there is movies out there like Drive that should be pulling in more dough. I actually saw Drive on opening day and wanted to drag some friends with me. Two of them only cared about the fact that Ryan Gosling was in it. Im sorry but im a guy that loves women but you dont see me going out there purchasing everything that Megan Fox is in. And I thought I was Immature at times lol. If wanna see her id look her up online but in movies she isn't to great at acting. As good as the movie Drive was sadly I dont think it would of made its budget if Ryan Gosling wasn't in it.
Most people want action, blood, nudity in movies and thats it. Its ashame most movies arent being recognize for what it is.
I am a horror fan but will watch almost anything of any genre. I know as a horror fan there is a lot of junk out there that is bringing the genre down but alot ppl seem to like it, that is fine b/c that is their opinion but when they say something like this movie is really good is where I usually end up arguing with them. I think most movie sites that review something should have a separation bewteen scoring on enjoyability and rating if the movie itself is good or not. Maybe its just me but I can seperate them easy. A great example for me is The Black Swan, scoring the movie for what it is would be high but how I enjoyed the movie would be mediocre because I am not a fan of this ballet stuff but doesnt mean im gonna bash the movie because it isnt up my alley.
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8:44PM on 09/29/2011
Some movies are made for the general public, and to make a lot of money. Some movies like Warrior and Drive are made for film fans, a smaller market, and shouldn't be expected to make big box office numbers. Its great if they do make money, but I'm just happy we get good original films like this. Hopefully these films are remembered around award season and more people check them out on dvd. Several films, like It's a wonderful life, weren't big hits when they were released but became favorites
Some movies are made for the general public, and to make a lot of money. Some movies like Warrior and Drive are made for film fans, a smaller market, and shouldn't be expected to make big box office numbers. Its great if they do make money, but I'm just happy we get good original films like this. Hopefully these films are remembered around award season and more people check them out on dvd. Several films, like It's a wonderful life, weren't big hits when they were released but became favorites over time. This is nothing new, and not worth getting upset over.
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7:59PM on 09/29/2011

The last 5 minutes of Warrior (very minor spoilers!)

were poetry in motion. Everything from the brilliant song choice (The National - About Today) to the little bits of dialogue. Absolutely perfect ending to a damn near perfect movie. Put The Fighter to shame.
were poetry in motion. Everything from the brilliant song choice (The National - About Today) to the little bits of dialogue. Absolutely perfect ending to a damn near perfect movie. Put The Fighter to shame.
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4:47PM on 10/02/2011
The ending was actually the one part I didn't like about the movie. It was still great though
The ending was actually the one part I didn't like about the movie. It was still great though
7:58PM on 09/29/2011

I've got an idea....

Why don't we let movies stay in theatres for longer than just 2-3 weeks and let them find their own audiences organically, rather than just pulling them when they fail to make $50+ million in their first weekends? Seems to me that so many more movies might find their audiences if they would be given a chance, rather then being pulled for failing to live up to the hype that's constantly being generated. I miss the good old days when movies would be in theatres for 3-4 months, rather than 3-4
Why don't we let movies stay in theatres for longer than just 2-3 weeks and let them find their own audiences organically, rather than just pulling them when they fail to make $50+ million in their first weekends? Seems to me that so many more movies might find their audiences if they would be given a chance, rather then being pulled for failing to live up to the hype that's constantly being generated. I miss the good old days when movies would be in theatres for 3-4 months, rather than 3-4 weeks. Makes for a much more satisfying time if you ask me.
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7:05PM on 09/29/2011

I hear ya!

But it's just not that surprising to me....Look at what is popular on TV..Reality shitfests like Jersey Shore, Real Housewives, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars (what stars?). This is our society now and seriously Hollywood is smart and they know what types of shit will sell (Chipmunks, Smurfs, Beverly Hills Chihuahua, Resident Evils, etc etc.) Our society has turned into fat, lazy, idiotic, 3d watching ass clowns that don't want to think when watching movies (Transformers
But it's just not that surprising to me....Look at what is popular on TV..Reality shitfests like Jersey Shore, Real Housewives, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars (what stars?). This is our society now and seriously Hollywood is smart and they know what types of shit will sell (Chipmunks, Smurfs, Beverly Hills Chihuahua, Resident Evils, etc etc.) Our society has turned into fat, lazy, idiotic, 3d watching ass clowns that don't want to think when watching movies (Transformers anyone?)

The same thing can be seen in mainstream everything like music, gaming (Morons that only play shooters, or Mobile gaming). It's everywhere!!!!

I seriously think that stupidity is running a muck. I've tried talking to someone about how bad some movies are like Transformers, and they defend it with the stupidest logic, same goes for teens who watch crappy television. These people have NO sense in what is good. I understand that everyone has their own taste, but holy shit, branch out a little bit.
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6:11PM on 09/29/2011

Why do we care?

What is the deal with caring about box office numbers? I'm not sure I understand what the authors concern is.
What is the deal with caring about box office numbers? I'm not sure I understand what the authors concern is.
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6:07PM on 09/29/2011

Bow down to the king, The lion king. ROAR!

The simple fact of the matter is that warrior and drive went up against one of the greatest disney movies of all time. Disney has not produced something of that quality in decades and having these films go up against that is like an average joe stepping in the ring with a mma fighter. The result will likely be a knockout which is what is happening. The lion king is eating the competition for dinner as disney licks its chops at the profits from the release. To be honest I see the lion king
The simple fact of the matter is that warrior and drive went up against one of the greatest disney movies of all time. Disney has not produced something of that quality in decades and having these films go up against that is like an average joe stepping in the ring with a mma fighter. The result will likely be a knockout which is what is happening. The lion king is eating the competition for dinner as disney licks its chops at the profits from the release. To be honest I see the lion king staying up in the top 10 well into thanksgiving if disney allows it to stay around that long. That is just how things go. If a movie is that good than even some of the best of films can be buried easily.
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7:09PM on 09/29/2011
Decades??? As in plural? Granted The Lion King is the last good Disney movie (and one of their best), it only came out 17 years ago. In another 3 years we can start saying decades, plural.
Decades??? As in plural? Granted The Lion King is the last good Disney movie (and one of their best), it only came out 17 years ago. In another 3 years we can start saying decades, plural.
5:56PM on 09/29/2011

Why?

Subject matter, director, actors. Not many movie goers care about a movie version of cage fighting, nor do they seem to buy the recent shoving of Ryan Gosling down our throats as a new buff action hero. Not buyin' it.
Subject matter, director, actors. Not many movie goers care about a movie version of cage fighting, nor do they seem to buy the recent shoving of Ryan Gosling down our throats as a new buff action hero. Not buyin' it.
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9:02AM on 09/30/2011
The box-office reflects trends in movie-going. If "Drive" hangs around the Top 10 for another month, maybe the studios will think it means something. Hollywood is all about the numbers, and when "Transformers" and "Twilight" do well, it means they have an audience. When "Warrior" doesn't, it means maybe there just wasn't an audience, which is bullshit.
The box-office reflects trends in movie-going. If "Drive" hangs around the Top 10 for another month, maybe the studios will think it means something. Hollywood is all about the numbers, and when "Transformers" and "Twilight" do well, it means they have an audience. When "Warrior" doesn't, it means maybe there just wasn't an audience, which is bullshit.
5:36PM on 09/29/2011
It's simple. They were terribly marketed. Honestly, the TV spots for Drive made it come off like a schlocky cheap action flick with nothing new to offer, whereas that isn't what the movie is about at all.

Warrior compared itself in it's OWN commercials as "better than The Fighter", so people's immediate reaction is "I've seen that before, so what".

The fact of the matter is the marketing companies entrusted with creating a campaign to make the property appeal to the widest possible
It's simple. They were terribly marketed. Honestly, the TV spots for Drive made it come off like a schlocky cheap action flick with nothing new to offer, whereas that isn't what the movie is about at all.

Warrior compared itself in it's OWN commercials as "better than The Fighter", so people's immediate reaction is "I've seen that before, so what".

The fact of the matter is the marketing companies entrusted with creating a campaign to make the property appeal to the widest possible audience have no imagination and are too concerned with "playing it safe" instead of taking risks. Why? Because if it DOES fail, they can fall back on the claim that "Well we did what all the other movies like this did with marketing! I dunno why it failed!", merely to justify their job and existence.

TL;dr Bad marketing, no imagination, no risk taking = No money. Seriously, Drive was HORRIBLY marketed outside of the theatrical trailer. Hell, even the theatrical trailer didn't really establish what it wanted to be. You cannot deny that.
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4:46PM on 09/29/2011
'Criker' sums it up perfectly in his post. Look how Gran Torino was a number one hit all round the world. Story was nothing great, but people wanted to see Clint Eastwood play a badass again. Marketing plays its part too, but in my opinion star names still count. As for Warrior, I'm sure it's great but it sounded just like Rocky & the actors didn't interest me. Gosling and Hardy aren't 'movie stars' in the way that the talent in The Godfather and Chinatown were.
'Criker' sums it up perfectly in his post. Look how Gran Torino was a number one hit all round the world. Story was nothing great, but people wanted to see Clint Eastwood play a badass again. Marketing plays its part too, but in my opinion star names still count. As for Warrior, I'm sure it's great but it sounded just like Rocky & the actors didn't interest me. Gosling and Hardy aren't 'movie stars' in the way that the talent in The Godfather and Chinatown were.
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4:09PM on 09/29/2011

Actors

The general public is more concerned with recognizable actors. Warrior didn't do well because people aren't familiar enough with Tom Hardy. Drive didn't do so well because it wasn't an action movie. It was a drama with a couple action sequences. Plus why didn't he kill everyone in that restaurant when he had the mask on?! disappointment. Oh and Moneyball sucked because it was a movie about meetings.
The general public is more concerned with recognizable actors. Warrior didn't do well because people aren't familiar enough with Tom Hardy. Drive didn't do so well because it wasn't an action movie. It was a drama with a couple action sequences. Plus why didn't he kill everyone in that restaurant when he had the mask on?! disappointment. Oh and Moneyball sucked because it was a movie about meetings.
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2:34PM on 09/29/2011
Warrior and Drive were both great movies. Audiences do vote with their wallet too. Look at Green Lantern. The problem is not the era that we are in. It's all the damn squeals that come out. Hollywood knows that people will go watch a squeal because they are already familiar with the characters. Go watch red letter medias review of Star Trek 2009. Its long but explains the topic well. Also, it is fucking hilarious.
Warrior and Drive were both great movies. Audiences do vote with their wallet too. Look at Green Lantern. The problem is not the era that we are in. It's all the damn squeals that come out. Hollywood knows that people will go watch a squeal because they are already familiar with the characters. Go watch red letter medias review of Star Trek 2009. Its long but explains the topic well. Also, it is fucking hilarious.
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2:29PM on 09/29/2011
I hate when people say a movie is "too smart" and that is why the general public didn't like it. get over yourself. the plot for drive is soo cliche and has been done too many times. also, no one knows who the lead is. sure he showed up in a few romcoms but those films were geared towards a specific audience. as for warrior, we all saw The fighter so why would we want to pay to see the same movie again? I sure as hell don't.
I hate when people say a movie is "too smart" and that is why the general public didn't like it. get over yourself. the plot for drive is soo cliche and has been done too many times. also, no one knows who the lead is. sure he showed up in a few romcoms but those films were geared towards a specific audience. as for warrior, we all saw The fighter so why would we want to pay to see the same movie again? I sure as hell don't.
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2:26PM on 09/29/2011
Can't blame the industry for what is the consumers fault.
Can't blame the industry for what is the consumers fault.
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2:23PM on 09/29/2011
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Marketing.
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Marketing.
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2:18PM on 09/29/2011

Why do good movie tank?

Because the audience gets younger and dumber with every day!
Because the audience gets younger and dumber with every day!
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2:15PM on 09/29/2011

marketing

I disagree on the marketing thing. Not that it doenst have its value, its urely does. But think of all the commercials you watch selling stuff you never cared for or didnt want. Will watching commercials of said thing actually make you go buy it? No it wont. BC you dont like it or care for it or you are indifferent to it. This is where stars come in, you dont need as much advert when you have a Tom Cruise or a Brad Pitt, people go to see there movies bc they like him. Same with Abduction, I
I disagree on the marketing thing. Not that it doenst have its value, its urely does. But think of all the commercials you watch selling stuff you never cared for or didnt want. Will watching commercials of said thing actually make you go buy it? No it wont. BC you dont like it or care for it or you are indifferent to it. This is where stars come in, you dont need as much advert when you have a Tom Cruise or a Brad Pitt, people go to see there movies bc they like him. Same with Abduction, I have seen very little adverts for it but it still did ok, but why? bc of the teen crowd of girls who like him from Twilight, he isnt a star, but he has a draw with those girls that those other actors just dont have with the general public, they are not like most of us who post thoughts about movies on the web, we are a rare breed compared to the ordinary movie goer.
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2:02PM on 09/29/2011

the extra tidbit says it all

The reason this movie (along with Driver)didnt do as well as the Fighter or even Abduction is bc of the leads. Say what you will but the average going movie person, your parents for example, dont know who these guys are bc they are not stars, there not George or Brad or Tom or Bale or Wahlberg. Say what you will about them but there names are instantly recognizeable. Its the same reason Fillion probably wont get the Uncharted role. He is known to us cinephiles but he isnt a star, those guys
The reason this movie (along with Driver)didnt do as well as the Fighter or even Abduction is bc of the leads. Say what you will but the average going movie person, your parents for example, dont know who these guys are bc they are not stars, there not George or Brad or Tom or Bale or Wahlberg. Say what you will about them but there names are instantly recognizeable. Its the same reason Fillion probably wont get the Uncharted role. He is known to us cinephiles but he isnt a star, those guys could walk into a bar in my hometown and nobody would know who they were, but If Clooney did or DeNiro almost everyone knows who they are. Even my good friends dont know who Tom Hardy is or Nathan Fillion, there names dont even sound famous, they just dont have that ring to it and they dont have that one HUGE hit for us to remember them by. Hopefully these guys do become huge stars bc they all have exceptional talent. To overcome a lack of a star power you need a great project that will overshadow the need for a true star, ie LOTR, no one was a huge star going into that, but the material is what drove people to see it, not the actors, where with many people I know its the actor that makes them want to see soemthing more than the actual movie premise.
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4:39PM on 09/29/2011
Agreed.
Agreed.
1:45PM on 09/29/2011

Shame.

Wish more people went and saw Warrior as I think it's one of the best movies of the year. From what Ive read over at awardsdaily.com, it still has some oscar buzz mostly for Nick Nolte but also some for Tom Hardy. Everything Ive read from people on here is true though when it comes from people who Ive encouraged to go see Warrior, they either think it sounds too much like The Fighter or they've never heard of Tom Hardy and Joel Edgarton. Ive talked to numerous people about Tom Hardy and the
Wish more people went and saw Warrior as I think it's one of the best movies of the year. From what Ive read over at awardsdaily.com, it still has some oscar buzz mostly for Nick Nolte but also some for Tom Hardy. Everything Ive read from people on here is true though when it comes from people who Ive encouraged to go see Warrior, they either think it sounds too much like The Fighter or they've never heard of Tom Hardy and Joel Edgarton. Ive talked to numerous people about Tom Hardy and the most common response.. Is that one guy from Inception? So its hard for them to want to see a movie with no star power like a Gosling or Pitt. As for Drive, I just know people who just don't like it, it just wasnt for them. I personally loved it. But that's their opinions and im not going to try and belittle them for their opinion. Hopefully all three movies will get their just do's come oscar time as after seeing all three the past three weeks, they are the best movies ive seen all year. In my opinion of course.
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1:30PM on 09/29/2011
lmao. What an-ill timed article. OK, first of all, enough with this outrage about Warrior not making any money. I hate to be the one to break this, but nobody outside the movie community knows who either Tom Hardy or Joel Edgerton are. Plus the fact that MMA has a very specific demographic. Plus the fact that everyone I know, that I tried to sort of encourage to see Warrior, thought it sounded way too much like The Fighter (bland-titled inspirational fighting-sports movie about two
lmao. What an-ill timed article. OK, first of all, enough with this outrage about Warrior not making any money. I hate to be the one to break this, but nobody outside the movie community knows who either Tom Hardy or Joel Edgerton are. Plus the fact that MMA has a very specific demographic. Plus the fact that everyone I know, that I tried to sort of encourage to see Warrior, thought it sounded way too much like The Fighter (bland-titled inspirational fighting-sports movie about two brothers???)

As for Drive, who would ever in a million years think it would be a commercial succcess. There's literally like 50 lines of dialogue in it. That's like being baffled that a Lars von Trier movie hasn't reached a billion in worldwide BO.

Meanwhile, in the past few years, great movies have flourished at the box office. In fact, in the past 2-3 years, the Coen Brothers, Quentin Tarantino, Woody Allen, Darren Aronofsky, and Danny Boyle have all had the biggest success in their careers. Not to mention The King's Speech made a boatload, Bridesmaids, Super 8, Horrible Bosses, Thor, ALL THE HARRY POTTERS, Toy Story 3, How to Train Your Dragon, Shutter Island, Star Trek, Up, Christopher Nolan's filmography basically.

No offense to Chris, who I respect as a writer, but these types of articles are not only incredibly wrong factually, but just so off-base and ill-timed.

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1:28PM on 09/29/2011
I just don't want to spend my money on movies. They're not a priority. I can wait a few months for the DVD or streaming.
I just don't want to spend my money on movies. They're not a priority. I can wait a few months for the DVD or streaming.
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1:23PM on 09/29/2011
The problem is, Warrior (which I did see) looked a lot like The Fighter (which I haven't.) Drive, looks a lot like another Transporter movie, so people may be turned off by that. Kind of like the late 80'swhen you had "Like Father, Like Son" in '87, and "Vice Versa" in '88, of in '89, when you had both "Turner and Hooch" and "K-9". People don't want to pay to see the same storyline twice (especially now, with ticket prices), so they'll wait on movies that seem similar to previously released
The problem is, Warrior (which I did see) looked a lot like The Fighter (which I haven't.) Drive, looks a lot like another Transporter movie, so people may be turned off by that. Kind of like the late 80'swhen you had "Like Father, Like Son" in '87, and "Vice Versa" in '88, of in '89, when you had both "Turner and Hooch" and "K-9". People don't want to pay to see the same storyline twice (especially now, with ticket prices), so they'll wait on movies that seem similar to previously released movies, until they're on DVD, streaming, or on TV.
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1:17PM on 09/29/2011

huge mma fan and warrior looked like a total turd.

i don't know what, specifically, made it look so bad. it just looked completely "been there, done that".
i don't know what, specifically, made it look so bad. it just looked completely "been there, done that".
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1:04PM on 09/29/2011

Great movies tank all the time

Either they're dumped out there with little or no promotion (Iron Giant), they carry some undeserved stigma (Let Me In), it's ahead of its time (Fantasia), the timing sucks (Pinocchio) or Studio Marketing makes it look like something it's not (Warrior). Last year was especially bad: I remember reading an article (forget where) discussing several worthy films that didn't get the box office they deserved.
Either they're dumped out there with little or no promotion (Iron Giant), they carry some undeserved stigma (Let Me In), it's ahead of its time (Fantasia), the timing sucks (Pinocchio) or Studio Marketing makes it look like something it's not (Warrior). Last year was especially bad: I remember reading an article (forget where) discussing several worthy films that didn't get the box office they deserved.
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12:44PM on 09/29/2011

YOUR MOMMA SAID WHAT?!

I think the reason for warrior is exactly what you described. It should have been released in Dec. in limited release then expanded after oscar noms come out, with a more dramatized poster and not a poster that looked like a sequel to NEVER BACK DOWN. That was just bad timing and marketing. Now DRIVE is another story. People simply don't like it. If it got a cinema score of a C.. Thats bad.. You can't scrutinize the viewing public simply because they didn't like a movie.. That's retarded and
I think the reason for warrior is exactly what you described. It should have been released in Dec. in limited release then expanded after oscar noms come out, with a more dramatized poster and not a poster that looked like a sequel to NEVER BACK DOWN. That was just bad timing and marketing. Now DRIVE is another story. People simply don't like it. If it got a cinema score of a C.. Thats bad.. You can't scrutinize the viewing public simply because they didn't like a movie.. That's retarded and snobbish and the problem with a lot of you indepedent filmgoers..
You should never belittle your audience and tell them if you don't like this movie you are an idiot and your brain is incapable of processing it's greatness. A truly intelligent person's mind works on many levels and can enjoy a great film and understand why many others don't like it and not mock them for it.. Sorry guys, but it's the ugly truth. Nobody on here is anybetter than anybody else because they like or claim to like a film that a few old critics or JOBLO critics like.. NUFF SAID

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1:21PM on 09/29/2011
Well written and well said.
Well written and well said.
8:41PM on 09/29/2011
I agree whole heartedly. I hated drive, and I am not a moron because of it like some of the pretentious jerks on here would have everyone believe.
I agree whole heartedly. I hated drive, and I am not a moron because of it like some of the pretentious jerks on here would have everyone believe.
12:15PM on 09/29/2011

Not surprised

Warrior doesn't interest me. I'm sure it's a great movie, but I don't care about MMA fighting.

Drive was awesome. What exactly about Drive felt European? Seemed pretty fucking American to me. Great film.
Warrior doesn't interest me. I'm sure it's a great movie, but I don't care about MMA fighting.

Drive was awesome. What exactly about Drive felt European? Seemed pretty fucking American to me. Great film.
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12:12PM on 09/29/2011
I saw both Drive and Warrior the week they came out, and I loved both of them. Warrior more than drive, but they are both equally great. Last weekend my parents were in town and I wanted to take them to Warrior so they could see how good it was, and there was only one showing and we couldn't make it because of conflict. A town with five different edwards theaters and each theater was showing it at the same time. I couldn't believe it. Now they are going to have to wait til they are out on DVD
I saw both Drive and Warrior the week they came out, and I loved both of them. Warrior more than drive, but they are both equally great. Last weekend my parents were in town and I wanted to take them to Warrior so they could see how good it was, and there was only one showing and we couldn't make it because of conflict. A town with five different edwards theaters and each theater was showing it at the same time. I couldn't believe it. Now they are going to have to wait til they are out on DVD which I will be definitely buying.
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11:57AM on 09/29/2011
I'd been looking forward to seeing WARRIOR for a long time. I finally had the time a few days ago...and it's already gone from the theatre. I'm pissed.
I'd been looking forward to seeing WARRIOR for a long time. I finally had the time a few days ago...and it's already gone from the theatre. I'm pissed.
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11:35AM on 09/29/2011

It's Simple Really

If the ass-wipes in marketing would spend the same amount of TIME,MONEY & EFFORT that they put into promoting sub-par movies with big budget effects and no storyline (yes I'm talking to you Transformers) on these far superior films, they would be more successful. Unfortunately with movies like these, you need word of mouth to get people to go see em. Such a shame.
If the ass-wipes in marketing would spend the same amount of TIME,MONEY & EFFORT that they put into promoting sub-par movies with big budget effects and no storyline (yes I'm talking to you Transformers) on these far superior films, they would be more successful. Unfortunately with movies like these, you need word of mouth to get people to go see em. Such a shame.
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11:18AM on 09/29/2011

ballbagz

MY GOD!! did u even read my post !!!!! Can u read ? I fucking loved Drive! *last sentence of my post is for U ballbagz without the S !
MY GOD!! did u even read my post !!!!! Can u read ? I fucking loved Drive! *last sentence of my post is for U ballbagz without the S !
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11:11AM on 09/29/2011

mikL

clearly u dont kno a good movie wen u see one. drive was a masterpiece. who gives a shit about car chases. watd u expec to see of a low budget indy film. go watch transformers and stop shitting on excellent work. u look like a huge diuche rite now. as a matter of fact this goes to anyone whos shitting on drive because there wasnt enough mindless action. u guys didnt get the point.
clearly u dont kno a good movie wen u see one. drive was a masterpiece. who gives a shit about car chases. watd u expec to see of a low budget indy film. go watch transformers and stop shitting on excellent work. u look like a huge diuche rite now. as a matter of fact this goes to anyone whos shitting on drive because there wasnt enough mindless action. u guys didnt get the point.
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11:16AM on 09/29/2011
MY GOD!! did u even read my post !!!!! i fucking loved Drive! *last sentence of my post is for U !
MY GOD!! did u even read my post !!!!! i fucking loved Drive! *last sentence of my post is for U !
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11:07AM on 09/29/2011

DRIVE !

Fuck i am tired of reading "Don't give a film the title Drive and then have barely 2 car chases in it". Is it called Chases or Action Jackson ? NO its called Drive because he is a fucking driver ! MORONS
Fuck i am tired of reading "Don't give a film the title Drive and then have barely 2 car chases in it". Is it called Chases or Action Jackson ? NO its called Drive because he is a fucking driver ! MORONS
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8:29PM on 09/29/2011
Would you have liked The Fighter if there were no fights in it and Whalberg stared at the wall not saying anything for minutes at a time? Would you have liked Alien without an alien? Raiders of the Lost Ark without a lost ark? (okay, bad example) I am tired of being called a moron because pretentious aholes liketo think they are smarter than everyone else because they liked a sucky movie. Most of them only like it because someone told them it was cool to like it. Drive was a bad movie.
Would you have liked The Fighter if there were no fights in it and Whalberg stared at the wall not saying anything for minutes at a time? Would you have liked Alien without an alien? Raiders of the Lost Ark without a lost ark? (okay, bad example) I am tired of being called a moron because pretentious aholes liketo think they are smarter than everyone else because they liked a sucky movie. Most of them only like it because someone told them it was cool to like it. Drive was a bad movie. Period. The driver was either incredibly dumb, or borderline retarded. The decisions he made were ridiculously stupid. The ending sucked. The town had no cops in it. The mobsters didn't carry guns. The public doesn't seem to care when a guy walks around caked in blood, or when two guys stab each other in the parking lot outside of a busy place. etc, etc. Oh, and the soundtrack sucked. We aren't stupid for not liking Drive, we are just honest with ourselves.
8:41AM on 09/30/2011
Okay so he don't drive ?
Okay so he don't drive ?
11:06AM on 09/29/2011

The Problem Is The Marketing

Both Drive and Warrior have terrible misleading marketing. Drive makes it seems like some action packed race-fest. While Warrior looks like any other generic fight movie. Both of these movies have so many layers that it would be hard to market to the simple-mined masses. I wasn't sure what to expect when I saw Drive, but what I got was a great movie. It reminded me of a Tarantino movie without dialogue. As for Warrior, it is a great Oscar worthy film. they should have focused on Nick Nolte in
Both Drive and Warrior have terrible misleading marketing. Drive makes it seems like some action packed race-fest. While Warrior looks like any other generic fight movie. Both of these movies have so many layers that it would be hard to market to the simple-mined masses. I wasn't sure what to expect when I saw Drive, but what I got was a great movie. It reminded me of a Tarantino movie without dialogue. As for Warrior, it is a great Oscar worthy film. they should have focused on Nick Nolte in the advertising. The only reason I even saw Warrior is because of Tom Hardy. Most Americans have no clue who Tom Hardy is at this point. That's not really going to change after Dark Knight Rises either because his face is covered by a mask.

The studios only seem to know how to market small movies when they are geared towards women. Look at the marketing for The Help. They made it look like something every woman in America should go see and have a good cry. When it comes to small movies that are geared towards males, they always focus on the testosterone. they show shots of the main actors looking cool and fast cars. They rarely show the dramatic side to reel you in.
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10:57AM on 09/29/2011

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10:56AM on 09/29/2011

Football

The three movies you mentioned are all guy movies. All also released during football season. Guys would rather watch football on the weekends than go to the movies.
The three movies you mentioned are all guy movies. All also released during football season. Guys would rather watch football on the weekends than go to the movies.
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10:33AM on 09/29/2011

Prices

Drive is incredible... Have not seen Warrior yet... I'm married & have 3 kids... Can't afford the outrageous ticket prices like I used to be able to... There is a DVD Screener copy of Drive on the internet... So; pay $10.00 + another $15.00 for a popcorn & soda OR download a copy of the movie & watch it for free ??? At this time of my life, pirating is the only way I can see movies & hear music... People can hate on me all you want but I have no other choice.
Drive is incredible... Have not seen Warrior yet... I'm married & have 3 kids... Can't afford the outrageous ticket prices like I used to be able to... There is a DVD Screener copy of Drive on the internet... So; pay $10.00 + another $15.00 for a popcorn & soda OR download a copy of the movie & watch it for free ??? At this time of my life, pirating is the only way I can see movies & hear music... People can hate on me all you want but I have no other choice.
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11:35AM on 09/29/2011
You have the choice of not seeing the movie, instead of stealing it. I don't steal what I can't afford. If it's too pricey in theaters, wait a few months and rent it in HD for 6 bucks (for the whole family).
You have the choice of not seeing the movie, instead of stealing it. I don't steal what I can't afford. If it's too pricey in theaters, wait a few months and rent it in HD for 6 bucks (for the whole family).
10:20AM on 09/29/2011
We all know why, weve all discussed it for years, and Im tired of talking about it
We all know why, weve all discussed it for years, and Im tired of talking about it
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10:07AM on 09/29/2011
Because the main stream audience are a bunch of wimps. Our society values pop stars and reality TV. It is sad.
Because the main stream audience are a bunch of wimps. Our society values pop stars and reality TV. It is sad.
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10:00AM on 09/29/2011
We live in a society that for some reason values things like Bieber, GaGa, Twilight, etc.. This is why we can't have nice things.
We live in a society that for some reason values things like Bieber, GaGa, Twilight, etc.. This is why we can't have nice things.
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9:59AM on 09/29/2011
It's pretty simple why Warrior failed. Because the trailers made it look like shit. I dragged my pops to go see it promising that'd be better than the trailers. He was shocked at how drastically different his reaction to the movie than what he'd thought it'd be. As far as Drive--well people don't like anything out of the ordinary.
It's pretty simple why Warrior failed. Because the trailers made it look like shit. I dragged my pops to go see it promising that'd be better than the trailers. He was shocked at how drastically different his reaction to the movie than what he'd thought it'd be. As far as Drive--well people don't like anything out of the ordinary.
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9:55AM on 09/29/2011
It's a lot of different things. One is bad marketing, I would have never even known about Warrior if it hadn't been for this website, same with Drive. I refuse to go to a theater anymore on weekends and I work during the week. Too many fucking stupid teenagers doing absolutely everything but watching the movie. Its a waste of time and the pimple covered 16 yr old working the joint isn't going to do a damn thing about his friends being out of control. Third it's all about star power. Ryan
It's a lot of different things. One is bad marketing, I would have never even known about Warrior if it hadn't been for this website, same with Drive. I refuse to go to a theater anymore on weekends and I work during the week. Too many fucking stupid teenagers doing absolutely everything but watching the movie. Its a waste of time and the pimple covered 16 yr old working the joint isn't going to do a damn thing about his friends being out of control. Third it's all about star power. Ryan Gosling is a hit amongst movie fans, but go down the street and you would be hard-pressed to find someone who even knows who the hell he is. Same with Warrior, as I'm typing this I have no clue the name of the main star is. I know he's in The Thing remake but that's about it.

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9:54AM on 09/29/2011
Oh and I'll be checking out Warrior tonight probably
Oh and I'll be checking out Warrior tonight probably
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9:51AM on 09/29/2011

Is there some other movie out called Drive right now?

I'm seriously and honestly trying to understand why there is so much backlash towards Drive. How can a movie drenched in style and featuring some of the best character actors of today be so drastic on everyones scale? Its like you either loved every minute or you hated it and wanted your money back. I'm in the love it camp. Was it the violence? Or maybe the trailer promised a different movie? I don't really think so myself. The violence was unexpected but it wasn't tarantino or grindhouse gore.
I'm seriously and honestly trying to understand why there is so much backlash towards Drive. How can a movie drenched in style and featuring some of the best character actors of today be so drastic on everyones scale? Its like you either loved every minute or you hated it and wanted your money back. I'm in the love it camp. Was it the violence? Or maybe the trailer promised a different movie? I don't really think so myself. The violence was unexpected but it wasn't tarantino or grindhouse gore. And even if you didn't dig the violence, the classic western archetypal hero should have at least struck a nerve. Gosling displayed more emotion in eye movement than most movies have in the monologues. But I am honestly curious as to what prompts someone to hate a movie this cleanly crafted. This was my third Refn film and it was EASILY the most accessible. It was taught and suspenseful with some art flair thrown in for good measure.
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10:09AM on 09/29/2011
I will give you an honest review of why I hated it... First of all, the violence did not bother me. I love violent movies, so it had nothing to do with that. What really bothered me was that the driver acted as though he was borderline retarded the whole time. He made really stupid decisions. He didn't speak. He stared into space like he was really Forrest Gump level slow. But most of all it was the poor decisions, the walking around in public with blood all over his white jacket, the
I will give you an honest review of why I hated it... First of all, the violence did not bother me. I love violent movies, so it had nothing to do with that. What really bothered me was that the driver acted as though he was borderline retarded the whole time. He made really stupid decisions. He didn't speak. He stared into space like he was really Forrest Gump level slow. But most of all it was the poor decisions, the walking around in public with blood all over his white jacket, the complete lack of police in that town, and the fact that none of the mob guys carried a gun. and if you took out all the shots that were held for way too long, the movie would clock in at under an hour. That is my honest review. I know some people love it, but everyone I know hated it.
9:33AM on 09/29/2011
When you make the same movie (ok its not the same, but lookalike), one year after a successful movie that was in the oscar, ussually people reject it. The movie could be great, but people think "do somethigh different Hollywood" with this kind of movies. Same happens with musicals, CHICAGO was a hit, the rest flop. And I think people are tired of boxing flicks, for at least a few years. In the other hand, if u see how KILLER ELITE is underperforming I don´t think DRIVE is doing bad at box
When you make the same movie (ok its not the same, but lookalike), one year after a successful movie that was in the oscar, ussually people reject it. The movie could be great, but people think "do somethigh different Hollywood" with this kind of movies. Same happens with musicals, CHICAGO was a hit, the rest flop. And I think people are tired of boxing flicks, for at least a few years. In the other hand, if u see how KILLER ELITE is underperforming I don´t think DRIVE is doing bad at box office. It´s not a hit, but works.
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9:31AM on 09/29/2011
Saw drive last week and it was absolutely terrible. Wish I got everyone to see Warrior instead. Don't give a film the title Drive and then have barely to car chases in it, pointless.
Saw drive last week and it was absolutely terrible. Wish I got everyone to see Warrior instead. Don't give a film the title Drive and then have barely to car chases in it, pointless.
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10:12AM on 09/29/2011
I agree. I felt like I was watching a sequel to Forrest Gump, and the drive was Forrest Jr all grown up (yeah, I know Forrest Jr was supposed to be smart). What was supposed to be edgy came across as slow (mentally).
I agree. I felt like I was watching a sequel to Forrest Gump, and the drive was Forrest Jr all grown up (yeah, I know Forrest Jr was supposed to be smart). What was supposed to be edgy came across as slow (mentally).
10:57AM on 09/29/2011
The problem is you went in without an open mind. If the same movie had a bunch of Lil Wayne and Ludrcris songs on the soundtrack then it probably would have been great for you. This was a very tense drama and not a movie about racing. the title fits perfectly. All the main character did was drive. The name of the movie isn't Fast And Furious, which also didn't have much driving either.
The problem is you went in without an open mind. If the same movie had a bunch of Lil Wayne and Ludrcris songs on the soundtrack then it probably would have been great for you. This was a very tense drama and not a movie about racing. the title fits perfectly. All the main character did was drive. The name of the movie isn't Fast And Furious, which also didn't have much driving either.
11:12AM on 09/29/2011
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12:44PM on 09/29/2011
Go rent Driving Miss Daisy then u get real disappointed.... *spoiler* it's not a action film
Go rent Driving Miss Daisy then u get real disappointed.... *spoiler* it's not a action film
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9:25AM on 09/29/2011

Honestly, blame the theaters

If I didn't dread going to watch a movie in a theater, i'd probably go see more movies. My theater-going experience has been ruined time after time by a number of things. For instance, two weeks ago last Sunday, I went with a friend to go see "Don't Be Afraid of the Dark." The entire time, a row of late teen to early twenties girls talked out loud to each other, giggled and made about as much noise with a bag of popcorn as one could. After about half a dozen looks back at them to no avail,
If I didn't dread going to watch a movie in a theater, i'd probably go see more movies. My theater-going experience has been ruined time after time by a number of things. For instance, two weeks ago last Sunday, I went with a friend to go see "Don't Be Afraid of the Dark." The entire time, a row of late teen to early twenties girls talked out loud to each other, giggled and made about as much noise with a bag of popcorn as one could. After about half a dozen looks back at them to no avail, I just turned around and asked them to be quiet with a firm "shh." You would have thought I had slapped every single one of them once I said that because I started getting cussed out, popcorn thrown in my direction and basically increased their annoyance level. After about five minutes of that (at about thirty minutes into the movie), we got up and left and found a manager. I told him the situation and he flat out said he would not do anything. He said he would give me a refund for the two tickets but that was it.

If certain measures were taken to ensure the no talking, cell phones and overall rude behavior of people in theaters these days, I'd be more willing to go out and spend money in theaters. But, they won't, so i'll just wait for DVD, since every movie is released on home video about three months later anyways. I want to see Warrior, just like I want to see Drive, but the odds of me enjoying the film greatly decrease when you have other factors you have to take into consideration when going to see a movie these days. I'd rather pay $9 to watch a movie like Red State in my home than $18 + popcorn and soda prices and have to deal with teenagers, cell phones, babies crying (in R rated movies...it has happened to me over five times), etc. for an entire movie.
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10:30AM on 09/29/2011
I agree. I am lucky enough to be able to hit Friday morning matinees at my local theater but, even then sometimes you get annoying audience members. I 'd rather watch movies at home which is sad because I used to love going to the theater!
I agree. I am lucky enough to be able to hit Friday morning matinees at my local theater but, even then sometimes you get annoying audience members. I 'd rather watch movies at home which is sad because I used to love going to the theater!
12:18PM on 09/29/2011
What the fuck does that entire rant have to do with the article at all.. You sound like a girlfriend who picks a fight with u just to complain about something else that bothered her. If you are reluctant to go to a theater for fear of being bullied by teens wouldn't that apply to all movies, or are you saying that you would take the abuse if it were a mainstream movie, or maybe you are saying people that see these movies are punk ass bitches.. no.. no.. I just think you're still upset at those
What the fuck does that entire rant have to do with the article at all.. You sound like a girlfriend who picks a fight with u just to complain about something else that bothered her. If you are reluctant to go to a theater for fear of being bullied by teens wouldn't that apply to all movies, or are you saying that you would take the abuse if it were a mainstream movie, or maybe you are saying people that see these movies are punk ass bitches.. no.. no.. I just think you're still upset at those kids and used this as an opportunity to vent.. It's ok.. Everything will be ok
12:50PM on 09/29/2011
Wow, such hostility from you in response to a very innocent post by me. Maybe that is such because you are the type of movie-goer who talks with his friends constantly, plays games on your phone, texts, etc? That’s the only result I can arrive at after your response.

I understand you don’t know what my post had to do with the discussion. I also understand comprehension is at a premium around here, so I’ll do my best to bring it down to an elementary level for you.

-Annoying
Wow, such hostility from you in response to a very innocent post by me. Maybe that is such because you are the type of movie-goer who talks with his friends constantly, plays games on your phone, texts, etc? That’s the only result I can arrive at after your response.

I understand you don’t know what my post had to do with the discussion. I also understand comprehension is at a premium around here, so I’ll do my best to bring it down to an elementary level for you.

-Annoying teenagers/young adults who act like teenagers go to big budget, which increases box office for those movies.
-Average person goes to these movies too and the experience is ruined by others
-Average person wants the experience to be better, but lousy management of theater chains makes them feel unwanted. They stop going.
-Annoying teenagers/young adults who act like teenagers continue to go to the big budget movies, which again increases box office receipts for those movies.
-Average person waits for DVD/On Demand to watch movies since the theater is such an unpleasant experience.
-Big budget movies go up. Other movies suffer because no one wants to be hassled in the theater, or take a chance that their theater might have annoyances.

My only point in all of this was that I don’t think it is necessarily the fault of movie-goers and their tastes of movies. It’s that the experience of a movie theater these days is pathetic, so these movies are less appealing to the average person because of it. Thus, the box office returns for genre/niche films suffers because no one wants to go.

I know that was a lot to read, but if you would have been able to arrive at my point in the first post, this reply would have been unnecessary. Have a good day Jeff…and don’t ruffle your popcorn bag so loudly next time.
9:17AM on 09/29/2011

Posters and Trailers sell the movies...

...not the critics or audience. Look at how much of the budget is used for advertising, and often for really shitty movies. Most people don't spend time reading reviews, they just remember a nice trailer when they stand at the cinema and go for the film. It's a shame, but that's the way it is these days...
...not the critics or audience. Look at how much of the budget is used for advertising, and often for really shitty movies. Most people don't spend time reading reviews, they just remember a nice trailer when they stand at the cinema and go for the film. It's a shame, but that's the way it is these days...
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9:03AM on 09/29/2011

Seen too many sports movies

I'm not a fan of MMA, I've seen more than enough sports movies to care to see another (hell there's 6 just for Rocky alone, luckily I love that character/series as Rocky was the first sports movie I ever saw before the concept got old hat).

I saw The Fighter because I love Bale and he was given an Oscar for it which in my estimation is about time for him. However as much as I love Bale, had he not gotten an Oscar I probably wouldn't have watched that either. Because it is just ANOTHER
I'm not a fan of MMA, I've seen more than enough sports movies to care to see another (hell there's 6 just for Rocky alone, luckily I love that character/series as Rocky was the first sports movie I ever saw before the concept got old hat).

I saw The Fighter because I love Bale and he was given an Oscar for it which in my estimation is about time for him. However as much as I love Bale, had he not gotten an Oscar I probably wouldn't have watched that either. Because it is just ANOTHER "down-on-his-luck" sports movie, no different to any other. Oh and the other lead cast member is Mark Wahlberg for crying out loud. I watched The Wrestler because I am a fan of wrestling, and it was alright, hugely overrated however, and at the end of the day...just ANOTHER "down-on-his-luck" sports movie.

Drive I might catch because of its good word of mouth, however I won't catch it til DVD because it doesn't look like it needs the theatre experience and because I can then turn it off if it actually turns out to be horrendously boring. I'm not saying it will be, but why spend the ridiculous amount of money I would be doing to take that chance at the cinema? I'd rather wait for the cheap DVD rental and spend the huge amount of money on something I know I'll enjoy, such as the Ghostbusters re-release or The Avengers or something.
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9:00AM on 09/29/2011

Sad and scary

Too many spoon-fed and star-obsessed and empty-heads and tea-party zombies. Culture is going down the drains.
Too many spoon-fed and star-obsessed and empty-heads and tea-party zombies. Culture is going down the drains.
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8:40AM on 09/29/2011

This is why...

Well, I can only speak for myself, so going on the example of Warrior...

Stars Tom Hardy (who? yeah, I know, after Dark Knight Rises, maybe I'll care), Nick Nolte (lemme guess...he plays the curmudgeonly trainer?) and Joel Edgerton (who?). Okay, no draw there. Directed by Gavin O'Connor. Who? (checks IMDB) Nope. Never saw any of his movies. Okay that's strike two. Okay, good buzz and word of mouth, I'll check out the trailer. Oh. It's a sports movie. Another freaking boxing
Well, I can only speak for myself, so going on the example of Warrior...

Stars Tom Hardy (who? yeah, I know, after Dark Knight Rises, maybe I'll care), Nick Nolte (lemme guess...he plays the curmudgeonly trainer?) and Joel Edgerton (who?). Okay, no draw there. Directed by Gavin O'Connor. Who? (checks IMDB) Nope. Never saw any of his movies. Okay that's strike two. Okay, good buzz and word of mouth, I'll check out the trailer. Oh. It's a sports movie. Another freaking boxing movie? Huge strike three. I sat through the fighter because my kid wanted to see it, but that at least had some actors that I liked.

So, I'm not saying I don't see movies with unknowns made by unknowns, and I know, on this board, these people are not unknowns to you. But they are to most people. For me, I just can't stand movies about sports. The Wrestler is the only sports movie I own, and I think I've only watched it once.

And what was your other beef? Drive? That Jason Statham that didn't have the money to actually hire Jason Statham? Sorry, but I have seen enough getaway chase movies in my life.
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8:52AM on 09/29/2011
I feel bad for you if you hvan't seen Gavin O'Connor's Miracle. Also if you think Drive was just another Jason Statham type movie you couldn't be more wrong. Go read a a review of the movie. there's one on this site, so you don't even have to go far.
I feel bad for you if you hvan't seen Gavin O'Connor's Miracle. Also if you think Drive was just another Jason Statham type movie you couldn't be more wrong. Go read a a review of the movie. there's one on this site, so you don't even have to go far.
9:09AM on 09/29/2011
But Drive, in fact, ISN'T a Jason Statham style getaway chase movie. It's a completely different type of movie.

I understand not liking sports movies.
But Drive, in fact, ISN'T a Jason Statham style getaway chase movie. It's a completely different type of movie.

I understand not liking sports movies.
9:23AM on 09/29/2011
What bluemookie said is the ugly truth. You might not like it and hate him for it, but it's a honest description of what typical moviegoers think of this movie Warrior.

It's like how fanboys get when they see a "hood" movie or a Tyler Perry movie. They roll their eyes, never check out the trailer, and that's the end of it. When people see Warrior they do the same because it looks like another boxing movie. Nevermind that it isn't boxing, to the typical viewer, it is boxing.
What bluemookie said is the ugly truth. You might not like it and hate him for it, but it's a honest description of what typical moviegoers think of this movie Warrior.

It's like how fanboys get when they see a "hood" movie or a Tyler Perry movie. They roll their eyes, never check out the trailer, and that's the end of it. When people see Warrior they do the same because it looks like another boxing movie. Nevermind that it isn't boxing, to the typical viewer, it is boxing.
8:39AM on 09/29/2011
The blockbuster may have just been our downfall as a movie-going society.
The blockbuster may have just been our downfall as a movie-going society.
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8:39AM on 09/29/2011
At the theater I went to see "Drive" at I definitely got that vibe. I think the people there were expecting a bunch of car chases, something more akin to "The Driver" or "The Transporter." With a more Hollywood love story. I didn't go see "Warrior" because it didn't come to my area. I mean, I guess I could've gone out of my way just a little bit, but I decided not to.

Where I live we actually have a pretty successful little art-house theater, generally older people go see movies there, but I
At the theater I went to see "Drive" at I definitely got that vibe. I think the people there were expecting a bunch of car chases, something more akin to "The Driver" or "The Transporter." With a more Hollywood love story. I didn't go see "Warrior" because it didn't come to my area. I mean, I guess I could've gone out of my way just a little bit, but I decided not to.

Where I live we actually have a pretty successful little art-house theater, generally older people go see movies there, but I was half-way disappointed "Drive" didn't end up there, because I think, at least in my area, it would've been more appreciated.
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8:29AM on 09/29/2011

Fighting's Been Done

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Fighting's Been Done

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8:22AM on 09/29/2011

One thing that must be understood...

The majority of movie-going audiences don't decide what they're seeing until they get to the theatre. I hear and see it constantly from dozens of people every time I see a movie. People go see what they think might be good. They don't do the research or read reviews like we do on this or any other site.
The majority of movie-going audiences don't decide what they're seeing until they get to the theatre. I hear and see it constantly from dozens of people every time I see a movie. People go see what they think might be good. They don't do the research or read reviews like we do on this or any other site.
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10:42AM on 09/29/2011
So true. Friends of mine do that. I go to the theater with a specific film in mind. I can't fathom why you would go with no knowledge of what you want to see. But millions do it.
So true. Friends of mine do that. I go to the theater with a specific film in mind. I can't fathom why you would go with no knowledge of what you want to see. But millions do it.
12:34PM on 09/29/2011
Exactly. I work at a theater and we have a synopsis book because people often ask, "What's this movie about?"
Exactly. I work at a theater and we have a synopsis book because people often ask, "What's this movie about?"
8:06AM on 09/29/2011

People dont care...

We live in a world were Abduction bet Killer elite in the box office....Is Taylor Lautner greater than De Niro+Jason Statham+Clive Owen????
What has this world come to...
The main problem I think is that this generation of kids don't look up to the Heroes the way we did back in the day...
We live in a world were Abduction bet Killer elite in the box office....Is Taylor Lautner greater than De Niro+Jason Statham+Clive Owen????
What has this world come to...
The main problem I think is that this generation of kids don't look up to the Heroes the way we did back in the day...
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7:58AM on 09/29/2011
Pretty much a rhetorical question in itself? People just go with whats popular like sequels, remakes & kids movies, it's the norm & always will be today. This site is really milking it with the movie Warrior though isn't it? Perhaps it's the MMA portion that turns people off & should have been advertised as something more, same for Drive, moviegoers will not see what doesn't appeal to them. Clearly these 2 movies weren't made to be 100 million dollar blockbusters either.
Pretty much a rhetorical question in itself? People just go with whats popular like sequels, remakes & kids movies, it's the norm & always will be today. This site is really milking it with the movie Warrior though isn't it? Perhaps it's the MMA portion that turns people off & should have been advertised as something more, same for Drive, moviegoers will not see what doesn't appeal to them. Clearly these 2 movies weren't made to be 100 million dollar blockbusters either.
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7:56AM on 09/29/2011
Movies might be going the way of music these days. The majority of people are stupid and buy into bullshit hype.
Movies might be going the way of music these days. The majority of people are stupid and buy into bullshit hype.
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