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06.19.2010

Have there been many notable Batman fan films (if any) made since Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT? I don't know, I mean, that's a hard act to follow and I think you'd have to have some balls to even attempt it.

Cue filmmaker Aaron Schoenke and his big ol' balls, as he brings us CITY OF SCARS, a Batman fan film that pits the Caped Crusader against his archnemesis The Joker in a grim-n-gritty 30 minute tale. Schoenke shot the short in 21 days on HD cameras on a budget of $27,000. The results? Well, see for yourself...

When the Joker escapes from Arkham and murders the parents of a young boy, Batman recalls the pain of losing his own parents as a child. He is pushed past his limits to the point where his focus becomes revenge on all who stand in his way, including many of Gothamís underworld. Finally, Batman is forced to look at the psychological profile of his own mind and accept the consequences of his life to find resolve.

If you see a cool video online you think would be perfect for this spotlight, drop us a line at yourvideos@joblo.com.

Extra Tidbit: Schoenke also made a short entitled PROJECT J that focuses entirely on the Clown Prince of Crime.
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11:30AM on 06/22/2010
This was amazing! And only $27,000 to do this. People ask why spend that much on a fan film, especially when they can't make a profit. Well, this is what rich people like to do with their money.

I'm very impressed with the quality of this film, and all the gadgets and stuff. Amazing! The acting is a little poor, but what do you expect when the actor is getting paid little to none. I loved the appearances of Harley and Scarface. I would so buy this on DVD if given the chance.
This was amazing! And only $27,000 to do this. People ask why spend that much on a fan film, especially when they can't make a profit. Well, this is what rich people like to do with their money.

I'm very impressed with the quality of this film, and all the gadgets and stuff. Amazing! The acting is a little poor, but what do you expect when the actor is getting paid little to none. I loved the appearances of Harley and Scarface. I would so buy this on DVD if given the chance.
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6:09PM on 06/21/2010
I thought this was damn good for a fan film, thumbs up to the director.
I thought this was damn good for a fan film, thumbs up to the director.
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4:59PM on 06/21/2010

Lame

"I want my 27 thousand back." said the man who produced this short film. Honestly why? You cant make money off of it so why?
"I want my 27 thousand back." said the man who produced this short film. Honestly why? You cant make money off of it so why?
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8:15AM on 06/21/2010

No good

This was just awful. If the writing (voiceover in particular) had been any good, maybe I would have thought otherwise but given how difficult it is to listen to, ugh. . .

There's $27K down the tube.
This was just awful. If the writing (voiceover in particular) had been any good, maybe I would have thought otherwise but given how difficult it is to listen to, ugh. . .

There's $27K down the tube.
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5:53PM on 06/20/2010
This is very impressive for a fan film. I'm shocked that the film makes had the money to rent a Ferrari, a night club, a carnival, and an ice cream truck. I personally thought the money was well spent by the producers.
This is very impressive for a fan film. I'm shocked that the film makes had the money to rent a Ferrari, a night club, a carnival, and an ice cream truck. I personally thought the money was well spent by the producers.
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5:38PM on 06/20/2010
I thought this was great, I could clearly see the high production value ($27,000 budget) in this movie.
I thought this was great, I could clearly see the high production value ($27,000 budget) in this movie.
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2:17PM on 06/20/2010
Meh. More style than substance if you ask me. The entire thing just felt like a re-hash of moments from Batman (1989), The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Returns (comic).

As for all of you claiming that $27K is too much for 21 days of shooting, I challenge you to make a workable budget for a short film of the same scope and not approach the $20k range.

Please remember that you have to purchase or rent equipment (camera, lights, grip gear, sound gear...), gain access to shooting
Meh. More style than substance if you ask me. The entire thing just felt like a re-hash of moments from Batman (1989), The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Returns (comic).

As for all of you claiming that $27K is too much for 21 days of shooting, I challenge you to make a workable budget for a short film of the same scope and not approach the $20k range.

Please remember that you have to purchase or rent equipment (camera, lights, grip gear, sound gear...), gain access to shooting locations (probably through rental), get permits from the city you plan to shoot in if any of your locations are on public ground, hire a film crew (5 of your best friends will not cut it), hire hair/makeup people, hire post production staff to edit/create cg/clean the sound for you film (this could also include the need to rent post production facilities), hire actors, make/rent/purchase costumes, make/rent/purchase props and set pieces, hire off-duty police officers for your set if you plan to close roads or use any sort of prop gun, arrange transportation for your actors (or compensate them for transport costs), and then finally you have to feed all of those people working for you (especially if you are paying them minimal wages or not paying them at all... like a dick).
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1:33PM on 06/20/2010
Boring, and a lot of the actors weren't that good. Had this been say, 15 minutes, which is long enough to tell this story, but not quite long enough to show the overacting, it could have been much better.
Boring, and a lot of the actors weren't that good. Had this been say, 15 minutes, which is long enough to tell this story, but not quite long enough to show the overacting, it could have been much better.
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11:35AM on 06/20/2010

I'm 50/50 on this

I enjoyed it, it was a very good effort, but there were bits I didn't feel fitted well.

I wasn't fond of the Joker - he looked more like Data from Star Trek, to me. He also didn't seem 'crazy' enough.

I didn't like how Batman jumped the Joker at the fairground, I would have thought Batman would've tried to take the fight away from bystanders. And I didn't like the fact that Batman just left the Joker in the middle of a crowd of bystanders, so he could rescue the 'kid'. I mean the Joker
I enjoyed it, it was a very good effort, but there were bits I didn't feel fitted well.

I wasn't fond of the Joker - he looked more like Data from Star Trek, to me. He also didn't seem 'crazy' enough.

I didn't like how Batman jumped the Joker at the fairground, I would have thought Batman would've tried to take the fight away from bystanders. And I didn't like the fact that Batman just left the Joker in the middle of a crowd of bystanders, so he could rescue the 'kid'. I mean the Joker could have killed about 6 of those kids within a minute or two.

But I did like the look of Batman, similar to Dead End's Bats, more of a 'natural' costume. And I did like the Batcycle start-up sequence.
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9:41AM on 06/20/2010

Not bad

As a screenwriter who is trying to sell his own superhero spec, I think this is a whole heap of effort to put into someone else's ip. Good job, but I think it's more fun to makeup your own stuff.
As a screenwriter who is trying to sell his own superhero spec, I think this is a whole heap of effort to put into someone else's ip. Good job, but I think it's more fun to makeup your own stuff.
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6:10AM on 06/20/2010

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5:59AM on 06/20/2010

So Batman will choke a human to death, but......

But he won't chop off the head of Scarface. He won't chop off the head of a PUPPET!.....
But he won't chop off the head of Scarface. He won't chop off the head of a PUPPET!.....
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5:57AM on 06/20/2010

The quality was good, but......

everything else about it sucked. It was damn cheese-e.
everything else about it sucked. It was damn cheese-e.
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5:34AM on 06/20/2010

B O R I N G

They should have bought 27thou worth of lotto tickets instead of making this stale shit.
They should have bought 27thou worth of lotto tickets instead of making this stale shit.
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3:35AM on 06/20/2010
Just watched it again. And for those saying this isn't well made are wrong. Yeah, I said I'd rather spend the money producing my own original material, but the work and effort put into this is something most of us CANNOT FATHOM until we do it ourselves. I haven't...yet. This is VERY well made. Now for the money, 27,000 bucks? Ehhh, okay probably not. For that amount I could make probably a better film (at least I would hope, and think I could). But either way, doesnt matter. This is a very very
Just watched it again. And for those saying this isn't well made are wrong. Yeah, I said I'd rather spend the money producing my own original material, but the work and effort put into this is something most of us CANNOT FATHOM until we do it ourselves. I haven't...yet. This is VERY well made. Now for the money, 27,000 bucks? Ehhh, okay probably not. For that amount I could make probably a better film (at least I would hope, and think I could). But either way, doesnt matter. This is a very very very very well produced and written short film. And, in all fairness, this WILL get this dude a job somewhere in hollywood. Easily. No doubt. So he probably will get somewhere career wise with this.

In that sense, good job, bro.
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3:50AM on 06/20/2010
I've got to agree, and props for spelling it out.

Yeah, the dude probably will get a job as a result of this.

And yes, lots and lots of hard work went into this. But bottom line, I'm still not seeing where all that money went for this film. But its not my film, nor my situation, so I can't answer that for anyone either.

But, as far as fan films go, I actually have a short script for "Gears of War", and its intention is to get attention. There is definitely a market for fan films, so more
I've got to agree, and props for spelling it out.

Yeah, the dude probably will get a job as a result of this.

And yes, lots and lots of hard work went into this. But bottom line, I'm still not seeing where all that money went for this film. But its not my film, nor my situation, so I can't answer that for anyone either.

But, as far as fan films go, I actually have a short script for "Gears of War", and its intention is to get attention. There is definitely a market for fan films, so more power to the guy for going this route... but "Gears" script and all that, I still love originality more than adaptations.
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3:26AM on 06/20/2010
Totally agree with some of the thoughts here. It's pretty cool, I guess, but for 27 grand just go ahead and write/direct/produce your own thing. Sorry to say it, but I guess the director/producer of this film just wasn't creative enough to that. I mean, I have a comedy short I'd LOVE to get made, and yeah, ok, I have ideas for how a comic movie should go with a property that already exists (like this guy did) but It wouldn't cross my mind to do a fan film.

Granted, these people will get a
Totally agree with some of the thoughts here. It's pretty cool, I guess, but for 27 grand just go ahead and write/direct/produce your own thing. Sorry to say it, but I guess the director/producer of this film just wasn't creative enough to that. I mean, I have a comedy short I'd LOVE to get made, and yeah, ok, I have ideas for how a comic movie should go with a property that already exists (like this guy did) but It wouldn't cross my mind to do a fan film.

Granted, these people will get a lot of publicity and views and that probably will lead to some opportunities, but they aren't established yet(unlike that MK fan film that was posted a while ago).

Also, for those saying 30 minutes to long for a short, I'd have to disagree. to me, anything under 40 minutes is a short film. I say that because I don't know of any features that are under 50 minutes long. To me, that's "short" and therefore should be considered a short film.

That's just me though.
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1:58AM on 06/20/2010

Interesting

I'm gearing up to shoot a 30 minute horror short in August for about 10k myself, so I was totally intrigued by what they did in this. However... why a fan film for about 30k? I'm not trying to compare productions here, but really, why not just make something original, especially if you're going to be shelling out some dough?

That all being said, there are some really nice things here, but the acting is just plain bad in parts. For 27k, you could at least gotten some quality actors to fill a
I'm gearing up to shoot a 30 minute horror short in August for about 10k myself, so I was totally intrigued by what they did in this. However... why a fan film for about 30k? I'm not trying to compare productions here, but really, why not just make something original, especially if you're going to be shelling out some dough?

That all being said, there are some really nice things here, but the acting is just plain bad in parts. For 27k, you could at least gotten some quality actors to fill a lot of the roles.

Overall though, its definitely a good film. But I just don't see why anyone would spend that kind of money on a fan film. Its originality that, for the most part, gets you noticed in the industry... at least, that's been my experience.
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11:20PM on 06/19/2010

Hmm

Why would you spend that much money on a fan short film? Why not use that money to make an original feature film?
Why would you spend that much money on a fan short film? Why not use that money to make an original feature film?
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12:06AM on 06/20/2010
Thank you! That's all some of us here have really been trying to get across. Yeah, its def a substantial fan film, but 27 GRAND? That's fuckin' crazy talk! Some of my favorite films didn't even cost that much to make! Ex. Following (Nolan's first film), El Mariachi, Primer etc.
Thank you! That's all some of us here have really been trying to get across. Yeah, its def a substantial fan film, but 27 GRAND? That's fuckin' crazy talk! Some of my favorite films didn't even cost that much to make! Ex. Following (Nolan's first film), El Mariachi, Primer etc.
1:59AM on 06/20/2010
You just don't get it.
You just don't get it.
9:03PM on 06/19/2010

Don't get me wrong....

I think the film is fine but I think they spent way too much money and should have chosen better actors for the parts. As well, it's supposed to be a short film and 30 minutes is way too long.

I'm not slagging the movie at all as everyone deserves a shot at an awesome film but this one needed a lot more work and thought put into it as well as a tighter budget. That "Mortal Kombat" reboot only cost around $8,000 and you can see the value.

"Patient J" was WAY better than this one and was
I think the film is fine but I think they spent way too much money and should have chosen better actors for the parts. As well, it's supposed to be a short film and 30 minutes is way too long.

I'm not slagging the movie at all as everyone deserves a shot at an awesome film but this one needed a lot more work and thought put into it as well as a tighter budget. That "Mortal Kombat" reboot only cost around $8,000 and you can see the value.

"Patient J" was WAY better than this one and was probably a fraction of the cost.
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2:01AM on 06/20/2010
Completely agree. If I were to add more to my comment, it would be: "Where did you spend all the 27k exactly?"

If you're pulling favors, especially on projects like these, you can bring down the budget by at least 50%. But hey, what do I know, right?
Completely agree. If I were to add more to my comment, it would be: "Where did you spend all the 27k exactly?"

If you're pulling favors, especially on projects like these, you can bring down the budget by at least 50%. But hey, what do I know, right?
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8:13PM on 06/19/2010

Esco

Awesome. Batman was very good. Loved the scars.
Awesome. Batman was very good. Loved the scars.
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8:01PM on 06/19/2010
Double post. Sorry.
Double post. Sorry.
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7:32PM on 06/19/2010
As an advocate of things like fan fiction and fan films, I've seen dozens of these shorts and I think this was great. I love their Batman fan films and they did a bang up job. Well done guys!
As an advocate of things like fan fiction and fan films, I've seen dozens of these shorts and I think this was great. I love their Batman fan films and they did a bang up job. Well done guys!
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4:10PM on 06/19/2010
I wouldn't say they're not talented AT ALL, because there's some effort there for sure, but it is crazy how much cash was spent on this gig. If it were me I'd use that cash on warehouse rental, makeshift greenscreens, a good Batsuit...and voila, you have yourself a '300' / Snyder-ish / Sin City-ish Batman film. Bonuses : It's visually pleasing, is experimental, doesn't compare itself to Burton or Nolan, AND the effects alone would hide the obviousness of the Batsuit's material...making it less
I wouldn't say they're not talented AT ALL, because there's some effort there for sure, but it is crazy how much cash was spent on this gig. If it were me I'd use that cash on warehouse rental, makeshift greenscreens, a good Batsuit...and voila, you have yourself a '300' / Snyder-ish / Sin City-ish Batman film. Bonuses : It's visually pleasing, is experimental, doesn't compare itself to Burton or Nolan, AND the effects alone would hide the obviousness of the Batsuit's material...making it less cheesy and very believable.
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3:52PM on 06/19/2010
I havent watched it yet but just going out to say that the best Batman fan films I seen was Dead End with Batman vs Predator (Staring Andrew Koenig RIP) and Paitent J videos were good. But if anyone is into Fan Films I do suggest Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy.
I havent watched it yet but just going out to say that the best Batman fan films I seen was Dead End with Batman vs Predator (Staring Andrew Koenig RIP) and Paitent J videos were good. But if anyone is into Fan Films I do suggest Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy.
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3:27PM on 06/19/2010

I was going to watch it, but then.....

but then I saw that it was 30 minutes long. That's a definite hell no.
but then I saw that it was 30 minutes long. That's a definite hell no.
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1:19AM on 06/20/2010
Same here.
Same here.
2:52PM on 06/19/2010

Thumbs Us Down All You Like...

....doesn't change the fact that this was a huge waste of money for a very mediocre short.
....doesn't change the fact that this was a huge waste of money for a very mediocre short.
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12:59PM on 06/19/2010

Bad Acting

If you want a good fan-made Batman movie, watch Batman - DEAD END. That one ROCKED!!! Joker was awesome, bats too, and the whole AvP fight was cool, unlike this one...
If you want a good fan-made Batman movie, watch Batman - DEAD END. That one ROCKED!!! Joker was awesome, bats too, and the whole AvP fight was cool, unlike this one...
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3:08PM on 06/19/2010
What the fuck are you talking about? The acting in Batman: Dead End is just as bad as in this piece of crap. You know why? Because it's the same fucking actors.
What the fuck are you talking about? The acting in Batman: Dead End is just as bad as in this piece of crap. You know why? Because it's the same fucking actors.
3:11PM on 06/19/2010
The acting is just as bad, but no, they're not the same actors.
The acting is just as bad, but no, they're not the same actors.
5:18PM on 06/19/2010
Yep, they are.
Yep, they are.
7:20PM on 06/19/2010
NO, they AREN'T. The actor who played The Joker in Dead End is dead....
NO, they AREN'T. The actor who played The Joker in Dead End is dead....
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12:29PM on 06/19/2010

Great effort

totally love seeing these fans short movies. They are made with passion and it kept me watching, so well done.

Also I thought the Joker was more like the comic style of the killing joke.
totally love seeing these fans short movies. They are made with passion and it kept me watching, so well done.

Also I thought the Joker was more like the comic style of the killing joke.
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11:57AM on 06/19/2010

Wow, look at this feedback

I think people miss the point that this is a fan film, which has a different intent and purpose than a normal feature. These film are made by people passionate about the material. They're not doing it for money, fame, or really even recognition. They do it for the exercise of constructing a narrative about a character they love because they know they will NEVER be allowed to touch the property in any other way. For you people to get on here and trash someone for trying to realize their dreams,
I think people miss the point that this is a fan film, which has a different intent and purpose than a normal feature. These film are made by people passionate about the material. They're not doing it for money, fame, or really even recognition. They do it for the exercise of constructing a narrative about a character they love because they know they will NEVER be allowed to touch the property in any other way. For you people to get on here and trash someone for trying to realize their dreams, that's just low.

I actually watched it all the way through, and for a fan film made with what filmmaking considers no budget, I found it pretty entertaining for what it is. So kudos to Aaron Schoenke for having the balls and dedication to make your own dreams come true.
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2:50PM on 06/19/2010
No budget? Chris Nolan made his debut film, Following, for 1/4 the amount these kids spent on this. No one is knocking them for being passionate about this project or wanting to realize their dreams, we're bashing them because they're not talented at all and didn't take nearly the amount of time that they should to make their project look good.

Also, aspiring filmmakers like myself, are perplexed how they spent so much money for such a mediocre product. Give me half that budget, and I'll see
No budget? Chris Nolan made his debut film, Following, for 1/4 the amount these kids spent on this. No one is knocking them for being passionate about this project or wanting to realize their dreams, we're bashing them because they're not talented at all and didn't take nearly the amount of time that they should to make their project look good.

Also, aspiring filmmakers like myself, are perplexed how they spent so much money for such a mediocre product. Give me half that budget, and I'll see you at Cannes, that's a promise.
12:42AM on 06/20/2010
That's a bold, BOLD statement there, buddy. I'll be on the look out for your future projects.
That's a bold, BOLD statement there, buddy. I'll be on the look out for your future projects.
12:54AM on 06/20/2010
I didn't say I'd win anything, I just said my short would be playing there. In fact, if my friend and I's contribution to the 48Hour film Project was selected from "Best of" two summers ago, I would have been there already as the best shorts from the competition got to screen there.

So yeah...I stand behind my previous statement.
I didn't say I'd win anything, I just said my short would be playing there. In fact, if my friend and I's contribution to the 48Hour film Project was selected from "Best of" two summers ago, I would have been there already as the best shorts from the competition got to screen there.

So yeah...I stand behind my previous statement.
1:12AM on 06/20/2010
Interested to see your short Smiert. NoirMan is right in saying that was a very bold statement. Give us something to back that up.
Interested to see your short Smiert. NoirMan is right in saying that was a very bold statement. Give us something to back that up.
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11:47AM on 06/19/2010
I agree with the fact the Joker is stale. Also your never going to be better than Jack or Heath so your attempts to just make you look worse than you might actually be.
I agree with the fact the Joker is stale. Also your never going to be better than Jack or Heath so your attempts to just make you look worse than you might actually be.
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11:45AM on 06/19/2010

Kudos for trying....

...but like others have said, the film doesn't have the quality that Batman demands. I understand how hard it is to do pre-production and set up lighting, filming, then editing, so in those respects I'd say the gig LOOKS good, as in visually. Other than that, it's very hard to make Batman look good on video. Bad Joker, bad Batman, very wannabe-Burton-ish environment which is very outdated. Plus with Heath's Joker, I doubt anyone buys into the old-school Joker on video / film anymore. Other
...but like others have said, the film doesn't have the quality that Batman demands. I understand how hard it is to do pre-production and set up lighting, filming, then editing, so in those respects I'd say the gig LOOKS good, as in visually. Other than that, it's very hard to make Batman look good on video. Bad Joker, bad Batman, very wannabe-Burton-ish environment which is very outdated. Plus with Heath's Joker, I doubt anyone buys into the old-school Joker on video / film anymore. Other platforms, maybe, but not on screen.
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11:29AM on 06/19/2010

Horrible...

Um that was a horrible Joker. Did he take lessons from Ceaser Romero for that laugh? Why does every fanfilm have to have the Joker? I want one with other villains. They are making the Joker stale.

Bring on a good fanfilm with Riddler. He wont be hard to do like two face with the makeup. I guess Penguin could work too.
Um that was a horrible Joker. Did he take lessons from Ceaser Romero for that laugh? Why does every fanfilm have to have the Joker? I want one with other villains. They are making the Joker stale.

Bring on a good fanfilm with Riddler. He wont be hard to do like two face with the makeup. I guess Penguin could work too.
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11:17AM on 06/19/2010
You wasted your time and money. $27,000?? If you had that much money to burn, why not invest it in a real filmmaker who could produce something watchable (that may also turn a profit). I'm sad I wasted my time watching it.
You wasted your time and money. $27,000?? If you had that much money to burn, why not invest it in a real filmmaker who could produce something watchable (that may also turn a profit). I'm sad I wasted my time watching it.
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11:16AM on 06/19/2010
I don't have the time to watch a 30 minute fan film.
I don't have the time to watch a 30 minute fan film.
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11:08AM on 06/19/2010

Good effort...

But that really sucked. Cheesy acting, weird camera movements, sloppy editing and the look/feel would never work in a feature film.
But that really sucked. Cheesy acting, weird camera movements, sloppy editing and the look/feel would never work in a feature film.
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10:48AM on 06/19/2010

Horrible as usual

Fan films like this are a good thing. They really show what doesn't work live action. Like a fabric suit, leather cape and horrible acting. Suddenly, I appreciate Nolan's Batman films so much more.

I love how Batman's eye make up wears off under the mask.
Fan films like this are a good thing. They really show what doesn't work live action. Like a fabric suit, leather cape and horrible acting. Suddenly, I appreciate Nolan's Batman films so much more.

I love how Batman's eye make up wears off under the mask.
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9:17AM on 06/19/2010
I gotta give it up for those trying. but if u spend twenty days and 27 g's. get good actors and if u got bad ones, use less dialouge
I gotta give it up for those trying. but if u spend twenty days and 27 g's. get good actors and if u got bad ones, use less dialouge
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9:10AM on 06/19/2010
I just don't know. Some elements work but most.....well it's no Sandy Collora.
I just don't know. Some elements work but most.....well it's no Sandy Collora.
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8:21AM on 06/19/2010

Most Fan Films suck...

....and this, the new film from "Bat in the Sun" productions, is no different. There are little cool aspects throughout, but overall, its poorly written and even more poorly acted, just like their previous works. Like most fanboys, they operate on the assumption that as long as someone looks the part and can do a good Mark Hamill impression that they can act, but they're wrong every time.

What the hell is even their point in making a shitload of Batman fan films anyway? Seriously....what's
....and this, the new film from "Bat in the Sun" productions, is no different. There are little cool aspects throughout, but overall, its poorly written and even more poorly acted, just like their previous works. Like most fanboys, they operate on the assumption that as long as someone looks the part and can do a good Mark Hamill impression that they can act, but they're wrong every time.

What the hell is even their point in making a shitload of Batman fan films anyway? Seriously....what's the endgame? And why not take all this time and effort they're putting toward making mediocre fan fair when they could use that same time and budget to try to do something original?

EDIT: $27,000??????!!!!!! WHY???!!!

Fuck me, that Mortal Kombat trailer, which was miles and miles ahead of this piece of shit production wise, cost 1/4th of that!
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8:26AM on 06/19/2010
Why did you delete your message? You spoke the truth...
Why did you delete your message? You spoke the truth...
7:44AM on 06/19/2010

Have there been many notable Batman fan films?

yes...The Joker Blogs...the series starts here:

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yes...The Joker Blogs...the series starts here:

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