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12.02.2015

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RETURN OF THE JEDI has long been a source of debate among STAR WARS fans for years and years. Is it good? Is it not? What's the deal with the Ewoks? What about Boba Fett? And, as I've witnessed these arguments unfold right in front of me, sometimes getting way too heated, middle ground has been few and far between with hyperbole popping up way too often.

"It's amazing!"

"It sucks!"

Things usually fall on those extremes with no real concessions to bring the discussion into reasonable territory (perhaps you've had better luck on that front). Thanks to The Warp Zone, they've managed to capture what those talks can look like and the corners that both sides typically go into... and, from the outside looking in, it can be both humorous and sad. But, in the end, if we can be civil to each other and not let our fandoms get the best of us, that's when STAR WARS really connects with us.

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6:17PM on 12/03/2015

Yes. It's the Ewoks.

It's just that after the tremendous buildup of the first two films, I just didn't see the Evil Empire being finally defeated by a battlin' band of teddy bears.
It's just that after the tremendous buildup of the first two films, I just didn't see the Evil Empire being finally defeated by a battlin' band of teddy bears.
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3:03PM on 12/03/2015

RETURN OF THE JEDI is when the STAR WARS formula

became too obvious for many people. A second Death Star was only the biggest sign that Lucas' creativity had its limits. Still, it's a solid film and yes, it's positively classic next to Episodes I-III!

I really hope Disney and 20th Century Fox can figure out a way to bring out the original cut of the trilogy on Blu-Ray. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
became too obvious for many people. A second Death Star was only the biggest sign that Lucas' creativity had its limits. Still, it's a solid film and yes, it's positively classic next to Episodes I-III!

I really hope Disney and 20th Century Fox can figure out a way to bring out the original cut of the trilogy on Blu-Ray. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
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10:52AM on 12/03/2015

it's the best of the bunch

all of them are great. 4-6 that is. but rotj is the best. there's so much in that movie compared to the others. empire is great and all but at the same time kind of overrated. the father reveal is huge obviously but watching this as a kid i didn't like it as much because it was so gloomy and depressing. jedi, has it all. luke as a jedi, the fall of jabba(that whole scene at the beginning is awesome), the fall of the empire, epic forest speeder chase, the best lightsaber battle between
all of them are great. 4-6 that is. but rotj is the best. there's so much in that movie compared to the others. empire is great and all but at the same time kind of overrated. the father reveal is huge obviously but watching this as a kid i didn't like it as much because it was so gloomy and depressing. jedi, has it all. luke as a jedi, the fall of jabba(that whole scene at the beginning is awesome), the fall of the empire, epic forest speeder chase, the best lightsaber battle between skywalker and vader, vader choosing between his master and his son. come on! jedi has it all!
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10:42AM on 12/03/2015

ROTJ doesn't suck. In the wake of Empire Strikes Back it's a bit of a letdown.

Return of The Jedi is a great film, but it is missing all the changes to the final script that Irvin Kershner was not afraid to make on the set of "Empire" in order to better the characters, the story, and the excitement of the film. The scene with Luke informing Leia that she is his sister is not a bad scene, but the dialogue sounds very Lucas. Kershner would've made this scene better.
My biggest complaint with Return of the Jedi comes with it's final battle. There are too few scenes of
Return of The Jedi is a great film, but it is missing all the changes to the final script that Irvin Kershner was not afraid to make on the set of "Empire" in order to better the characters, the story, and the excitement of the film. The scene with Luke informing Leia that she is his sister is not a bad scene, but the dialogue sounds very Lucas. Kershner would've made this scene better.
My biggest complaint with Return of the Jedi comes with it's final battle. There are too few scenes of the space battle above Endor! I was disappointed when the 1997 Special Edition did not go back and add more to the space battle sequence. Show more Star Destroyers being brought down. Show the B-Wings in action. Show Rebel ships colliding with the Death Star's deflector shield when they realize "It's a Trap!". Add to the final climax by showing the Death Star preparing to fire at Endor. Hell, at the very least show the Death Star from another angle!
As for the battle on Endor, the big thing missing is the Empire using the AT-AT guarding the Deflector Shield.
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9:09AM on 12/03/2015
I don't need to watch it. As a kid, they didn't bother me (I was a kid, but I don't think it's just that). The debate I grew up with was the Clerks one about whether it or Empire was better. I know a lot of people that thinks Jedi is the best of the bunch. I have also never watched the Special Editions (it has been forever and a day since I watched Star Wars, because mine was on VHS).

Not gonna lie, what Gary Kurtz said a few years back about why he left did leave me wishing I could see that
I don't need to watch it. As a kid, they didn't bother me (I was a kid, but I don't think it's just that). The debate I grew up with was the Clerks one about whether it or Empire was better. I know a lot of people that thinks Jedi is the best of the bunch. I have also never watched the Special Editions (it has been forever and a day since I watched Star Wars, because mine was on VHS).

Not gonna lie, what Gary Kurtz said a few years back about why he left did leave me wishing I could see that version of the movie.
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6:35AM on 12/03/2015
ROTJ used to the franchise punching bag until the prequels, now its a non issue. I think Simon Pegg in 'Spaced' said it best; "Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewok's look like fucking SHAFT!'.
ROTJ used to the franchise punching bag until the prequels, now its a non issue. I think Simon Pegg in 'Spaced' said it best; "Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewok's look like fucking SHAFT!'.
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6:04AM on 12/03/2015
All the films were better before the Special editions. The Special editions changed not only the films pacing, but the tone. ROTJ I think suffered most from this, especially in Jabbas Palace. Originally it was quite a dark segment, but then George had to add in a CGI band.

If none of you have been lucky enough to find these guys yet and cant wait for Disney, I suggest you have a look.
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All the films were better before the Special editions. The Special editions changed not only the films pacing, but the tone. ROTJ I think suffered most from this, especially in Jabbas Palace. Originally it was quite a dark segment, but then George had to add in a CGI band.

If none of you have been lucky enough to find these guys yet and cant wait for Disney, I suggest you have a look.
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4:10AM on 12/03/2015

Return of the Jedi Problem

RotJ is a great film, and a fitting end to the original trilogy. My only complaint with it is the misuse of Leia. In the previous films, she always had strength, dignity, passion and vulnerability. In RotJ, she comes off as powerless and far too soft. She seems like a completely different character (after the Boushh scene, of course). Just my opinion, but it has always rubbed me the wrong way.
RotJ is a great film, and a fitting end to the original trilogy. My only complaint with it is the misuse of Leia. In the previous films, she always had strength, dignity, passion and vulnerability. In RotJ, she comes off as powerless and far too soft. She seems like a completely different character (after the Boushh scene, of course). Just my opinion, but it has always rubbed me the wrong way.
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9:10AM on 12/03/2015
Leia was always the most inconsistent character. But she did get to repay Han for the "I know" line. Which I thought was pretty badass.
Leia was always the most inconsistent character. But she did get to repay Han for the "I know" line. Which I thought was pretty badass.
12:08AM on 12/03/2015
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having seen that. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having seen that. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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