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Daaamn! Mark Millar calls Justice League movie "an excellent way to lose $200 million"

Feb. 6, 2013by: Alex Maidy

Let the Marvel and DC battle continue! While Mark Millar is not Kevin Feige, he is the voice for the Marvel properties over at Fox, so he does have some heft in the cinematic world of superheroes. As a comic writer, Millar is an often controversial figure and these latest comments are not going to help his reputation with DC fans.

In an interview with Sci Fi Now, Millar let rip with some very blunt comments about how Warner Bros and DC are approaching their JUSTICE LEAGUE movie. Check out his stance:

“I actually think the big problem for them is the characters are just too out of date. The characters were created 75 years ago, even the newest major character was created 68 years ago, so they’re in a really weird time...The actual logistics of each member of the Justice League is disastrous, and you put them all together and I think you get an excellent way of losing $200 million.”

So, I am guessing he is not a fan? I agree with Millar in the sense that DC characters outside of Superman and Batman do not lend themselves very well to the big screen. I just watched GREEN LANTERN again last night and the story is just so convoluted that it doesn't translate well without the benefit of dozens of issues of comics to tell the vast backstory and explain elements that cannot be condensed into a two hour movie.

Millar continued his criticism, basing it on the fact that DC is not formatted to exist in a 21st century world:

”Now the stuff I grew up with… I adored the DC stuff growing up but really, how do you do a movie about Green Lantern? His power is that he manifests green plasma from his imagination and uses them as weapons against someone? Even that in itself if you just imagine then watching a fight scene with a guy who’s like a hundred feet away making plasma manifestations fight someone – it’s not exactly raucous, getting up close and personal. The Flash has door handles on the side of his mask and if he doesn’t wear that mask, I’ll be pissed off, you know what I mean? They’re in a weird, weird situation – if you’ve got a guy who moves at the speed of light up against the Weather Wizard and Captain Cold or whatever, then your movie’s over in two seconds. You can get away with stuff in comics that in live action’s just a bit sucky – the best one is definitely Aquaman. Aquaman can’t even talk under water. If you think about it in comics it’s fine, you just have a speech balloon, but how do you have Atlantis and people talking under water? Are they gonna talking telepathically? Is it going to be body forms?”

I hate to say it, but the man makes a good point. While I think the core of Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and Flash can make a good movie, there is not much to mine from DC that would lend itself well to a standalone movie. But, maybe some DC fans out there could lend some perspective>

JUSTICE LEAGUE will potentially hit theaters in 2015.

Source: Sci Fi Now

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9:52AM on 02/09/2013
With all the bad talk that has been surrounding this flick for a long time, I just don't see it boding well for a movie. The ideas are there, but Marvel honed the idea with actual good backstory films for each character. I don't know that a good, believable wonder woman movie can be done, Flash has never been given an honest chance, Green Lantern was nose bleed bad, Aquaman...*sigh... we all know about The Bat, and The Man of Steel looks good but we'll see. If they want to make a good movie,
With all the bad talk that has been surrounding this flick for a long time, I just don't see it boding well for a movie. The ideas are there, but Marvel honed the idea with actual good backstory films for each character. I don't know that a good, believable wonder woman movie can be done, Flash has never been given an honest chance, Green Lantern was nose bleed bad, Aquaman...*sigh... we all know about The Bat, and The Man of Steel looks good but we'll see. If they want to make a good movie, they should watch the DC Universe Online trailer and follow suit. It's the only chance they've got.....
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1:09AM on 02/08/2013

Haters

For all of you saying Millar is "just a comic book guy" or downing on Marvel for laughing at the" New 52", you don't know squat! The new 52 is ok and yeah Marvel now came out shortly, but have you ever heard of Marvels Ultimate series? Millar launched it and its pretty much what the new marvel movie universe is based off of. If you've ever even read his work it's written is if it were a movie. The artists he works with and the stuff he writes can easily be translated to the big screen and that
For all of you saying Millar is "just a comic book guy" or downing on Marvel for laughing at the" New 52", you don't know squat! The new 52 is ok and yeah Marvel now came out shortly, but have you ever heard of Marvels Ultimate series? Millar launched it and its pretty much what the new marvel movie universe is based off of. If you've ever even read his work it's written is if it were a movie. The artists he works with and the stuff he writes can easily be translated to the big screen and that is something DC has yet to do. Dark Knight Trilogy worked because it is its own world. Nothing about it is DC Universe except batman. IF they can succeed with superman maybe a justice league movie would succeed. Again that has a lot to do with Nolan and they know it. Hence why they asked him to be in charge of the DC movies. They need to work on a lot and updating their characters. I would love for it work though but the last thing any of us want is another Green Lantern type flick.
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6:51PM on 02/07/2013
Why are we listening to MarK Millar ? Seriously, Justice League movie would work but it has to follow the same formula that Marvel did with the Avengers....by having each character have either own movie first and then bring them in together..it gives the audience a better idea of who they are. The more they procrastinate about this movie and go back and forth about the quality of it...the less likely it will happen or even be a good movie.
It seriously makes me angry that its become
Why are we listening to MarK Millar ? Seriously, Justice League movie would work but it has to follow the same formula that Marvel did with the Avengers....by having each character have either own movie first and then bring them in together..it gives the audience a better idea of who they are. The more they procrastinate about this movie and go back and forth about the quality of it...the less likely it will happen or even be a good movie.
It seriously makes me angry that its become kind of tough to get the green light for this movie, get the right actors and story and MAKE THE MOVIE! aghh.
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6:16PM on 02/07/2013

He's right you know

The green lantern movie was just crap, the flash looks like a red berry for god's sake, there ain't a woman on earth who could play a convincing Wonder Woman. The Martian Manhunter is hella a crap idea, I've always hated the concept of Aqua Man, lets face it he's a fish viking in green scaled tights it would look crap. Sure Nolan's batman was badass but only because he did what he could to make it as real as possible. I hope the man of steel does well but lets face it the odds are stacked
The green lantern movie was just crap, the flash looks like a red berry for god's sake, there ain't a woman on earth who could play a convincing Wonder Woman. The Martian Manhunter is hella a crap idea, I've always hated the concept of Aqua Man, lets face it he's a fish viking in green scaled tights it would look crap. Sure Nolan's batman was badass but only because he did what he could to make it as real as possible. I hope the man of steel does well but lets face it the odds are stacked against it.
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4:50PM on 02/07/2013

Silliness

I really dig alot of Millar's comic stuff, but he's way off base. The point about the characters being old, well Captain America debuted in 1941. And all the other avengers are 50+. The bggest problem DC has in bringing the best super hero group to the big screen is, its Warner Bros who owns them. Marvel nailed it, because Marvel did it. Why doesnt Warner Bros just let the people who did the animated Justice League series take care of it. Everyone on the planet agreed that was the best super
I really dig alot of Millar's comic stuff, but he's way off base. The point about the characters being old, well Captain America debuted in 1941. And all the other avengers are 50+. The bggest problem DC has in bringing the best super hero group to the big screen is, its Warner Bros who owns them. Marvel nailed it, because Marvel did it. Why doesnt Warner Bros just let the people who did the animated Justice League series take care of it. Everyone on the planet agreed that was the best super hero related series on any level ever. Green Lantern was convoluted but, did you see the animated movies they made. They were incredible . Much more simplified and it played like Training Day with Sinestro showing Hal Jordan the ropes. If the studio just let the actual comic guys have a say maybe they would have better luck
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3:15PM on 02/07/2013
Mark Millar is comparing his Fantastic Four reboot to Ridley Scott's Alien.
I just don't get why he is dismissive of the Justice League.
Mark Millar is comparing his Fantastic Four reboot to Ridley Scott's Alien.
I just don't get why he is dismissive of the Justice League.
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2:06PM on 02/07/2013
Maybe he's upset that DC is currently publishing far superior comics than Marvel. I believe Marvel laughed at the idea of "The new 52", but what do you know, more and more Marvel comics are "starting over" like DC did. I agree that a Justice League movie would be hard to make, but seeing how Millar is mainly a comic book guy, he should focus on the battle he's loosing every Wednesday in the stands.
Maybe he's upset that DC is currently publishing far superior comics than Marvel. I believe Marvel laughed at the idea of "The new 52", but what do you know, more and more Marvel comics are "starting over" like DC did. I agree that a Justice League movie would be hard to make, but seeing how Millar is mainly a comic book guy, he should focus on the battle he's loosing every Wednesday in the stands.
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1:25PM on 02/07/2013

Mark Millar "has a lack of imagination" ???????

What?
I mean, disagree if you like, but to say he's got no imagination is simply asinine
What?
I mean, disagree if you like, but to say he's got no imagination is simply asinine
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1:19PM on 02/07/2013
This guy has a lack of imagination. Like Nolan breathed new life into The Dark Knight trilogy, someone could come up with a good Justice League film. It can't be just like the comics, there has to be a good story. The heroes don't have to be exactly like the comics either. Marvel made a whole Marvel Universe. They were patient making a number of films. But nobody would be surprised to see a cameo by Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four or the X-Men in Avengers 2. The world is open to it. The
This guy has a lack of imagination. Like Nolan breathed new life into The Dark Knight trilogy, someone could come up with a good Justice League film. It can't be just like the comics, there has to be a good story. The heroes don't have to be exactly like the comics either. Marvel made a whole Marvel Universe. They were patient making a number of films. But nobody would be surprised to see a cameo by Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four or the X-Men in Avengers 2. The world is open to it. The DC world needs to be cohesive. The Gotham of Nolan's world needs to meld with Metropolis. It could work. Just use your imagination and make the characters and their motivations work. I don't know, center the whole thing on Wonder Woman. Are there real problems, yes. But they could be overcome.
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1:14PM on 02/07/2013
This guy has a lack of imagination. Like Nolan breathed new life into The Dark Knight trilogy, someone could come up with a good Justice League film. It can't be just like the comics, there has to be a good story. The heroes don't have to be exactly like the comics either. Marvel made a whole Marvel Universe. They were patient making a number of films. But nobody would be surprised to see a cameo by Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four or the X-Men in Avengers 2. The world is open to it. The
This guy has a lack of imagination. Like Nolan breathed new life into The Dark Knight trilogy, someone could come up with a good Justice League film. It can't be just like the comics, there has to be a good story. The heroes don't have to be exactly like the comics either. Marvel made a whole Marvel Universe. They were patient making a number of films. But nobody would be surprised to see a cameo by Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four or the X-Men in Avengers 2. The world is open to it. The DC world needs to be cohesive. The Gotham of Nolan's world needs to meld with Metropolis. It could work. Just use your imagination and make the characters and their motivations work. I don't know, center the whole thing on Wonder Woman. Are there real problems, yes. But they could be overcome.
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10:24AM on 02/07/2013
For someone who earns a living in an industry that's built on people's imaginations, Mark Millar shows a distinct lack of the one quality he should be brimming over with.

The Justice League won't work? The characters are too old-fashioned? Utter nonsense.

I want Warners and DC to show me Superman, Batman, the Flash, Wonder Woman, etc., all working together on the big screen. I want to see this and I believe that they can achieve this. I want them to succeed. And I say this as a Marvel fan
For someone who earns a living in an industry that's built on people's imaginations, Mark Millar shows a distinct lack of the one quality he should be brimming over with.

The Justice League won't work? The characters are too old-fashioned? Utter nonsense.

I want Warners and DC to show me Superman, Batman, the Flash, Wonder Woman, etc., all working together on the big screen. I want to see this and I believe that they can achieve this. I want them to succeed. And I say this as a Marvel fan through and through.
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1:14PM on 02/07/2013
Couldn't agree more- I was JUST thinking this- the only limits are the writers' imagination.
Couldn't agree more- I was JUST thinking this- the only limits are the writers' imagination.
10:17AM on 02/07/2013

I think Millar's comments are nonsense

Why? Because Marvel superheroes are just as silly as DC's, all superheroes are silly, so him saying that DC's arent updated for the 21st century are stupid, how is a man who shrinks himself to ant size more credible then Green Lantern? They are all silly and unreal, but that's what we love about them.

I think the real problem with the proposed Justice League movies is that DC needed better writers and directors for their non Superman/Batman movies. Case in point: Green lantern sucked
Why? Because Marvel superheroes are just as silly as DC's, all superheroes are silly, so him saying that DC's arent updated for the 21st century are stupid, how is a man who shrinks himself to ant size more credible then Green Lantern? They are all silly and unreal, but that's what we love about them.

I think the real problem with the proposed Justice League movies is that DC needed better writers and directors for their non Superman/Batman movies. Case in point: Green lantern sucked because they had the wrong creative team behind it and they produced a terrible film, thats all. There is potential in all of DC's characters, they just need to be handled by the right people.
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9:38AM on 02/07/2013

I'm split.

On one hand, Nolan proved that done right, Batman, and potentially Superman, can be done in the modern world, and not only be compelling, but just altogether amazing... But they are the tentpoles. I enjoy some of their other characters, but I don't see them translating that well to film. They could, if they're handled with care, and it's helmed by someone who genuinely loves the characters. 10 years ago, I thought the idea of putting a movie like this on screen was ridiculous, but I said the
On one hand, Nolan proved that done right, Batman, and potentially Superman, can be done in the modern world, and not only be compelling, but just altogether amazing... But they are the tentpoles. I enjoy some of their other characters, but I don't see them translating that well to film. They could, if they're handled with care, and it's helmed by someone who genuinely loves the characters. 10 years ago, I thought the idea of putting a movie like this on screen was ridiculous, but I said the same of The Avengers, and I'm eating my words now. With Nolan, Whedon, Brannagh, Favreau, Singer and so many others recently showing us how good comic book films are capable of being, it's not unthinkable that a great Justice League is possible. But some very good directors have tried and failed. I can't believe that the man behind Casino Royale was responsible for Green Lantern, that the man who directed Falling Down could be responsible for Batman and Robin, that the man who managed to turn X-Men into a major film franchise completely fumbled the most recent Superman and that a Academy Award winning director could give us, by far, the worst Hulk film we've seen to date. It's really a crap shoot when it comes to making a superhero film. A great director, great acting, great characters aren't enough. It's all a matter of vision, inspiration, and most importantly, that they actually care about the film, and aren't just making a mad cash grab after the success of The Avengers.
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6:21AM on 02/07/2013
Kruhnn, I disagree about your point that "Hulk failed, not once, but twice on film". How are you measuring this - box office receipts? According to IMDB...GL's US domestic receipts were $117 million, Hulk was at $132 million and the The Incredible Hulk was at $135 million. All three I suspect were supposed to make far more but what about story wise? The GL movie sucked - plain and simple - I knew this before going to watch it but as a loyal superhero fan I went anyway. I had high hopes
Kruhnn, I disagree about your point that "Hulk failed, not once, but twice on film". How are you measuring this - box office receipts? According to IMDB...GL's US domestic receipts were $117 million, Hulk was at $132 million and the The Incredible Hulk was at $135 million. All three I suspect were supposed to make far more but what about story wise? The GL movie sucked - plain and simple - I knew this before going to watch it but as a loyal superhero fan I went anyway. I had high hopes going in to watch Ang Lee's Hulk movie and it would have been a "good" movie had they just ended at the point where after his rampage, Banner calms down when Betty confronts him (got Green Lantern crappy from that point onwards - the whole father stuff should never have been in the movie) and Norton's Hulk is a very good movie...far better than both GL and Bana's Hulk. With repeat viewings, I've come to really appreciate Norton's Hulk movie even more.
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1:04AM on 02/07/2013
Warner Brothers had hired Joss Whedon to write and direct a Wonder Woman movie and David S. Goyer to write (and presumably direct) movies about the Flash and the Green Arrow. None of those movies got greenlit. If Warner Brothers had gone ahead with those movies they would have been ahead of Marvel now and would probably have grossed a billion dollars last year with The Justice League.
Warner Brothers had hired Joss Whedon to write and direct a Wonder Woman movie and David S. Goyer to write (and presumably direct) movies about the Flash and the Green Arrow. None of those movies got greenlit. If Warner Brothers had gone ahead with those movies they would have been ahead of Marvel now and would probably have grossed a billion dollars last year with The Justice League.
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12:55AM on 02/07/2013

The guy who cast Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury

is hardly unbiased when talking about the competition.
is hardly unbiased when talking about the competition.
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8:56PM on 02/06/2013
Who the fuck is this cunt? He didn't see a little movie with the Batman in it this past summer?
Who the fuck is this cunt? He didn't see a little movie with the Batman in it this past summer?
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8:50PM on 02/06/2013

Mr. Milar makes a case, but glass roofs and rocks

Mark Milar makes a case. I think Warner Brothers is engaged in a case of "me too-ism" with their decision to film a Justice League film and it may be rushed. Nonetheless, DC has had great success translating its stories to animation. I am a casual comic book fan, most of my consumption is primarily through these animated films, and the DC Universe animated films are excellently written and many of them have been origin stories.

Like jackieblue mentioned the Justice League animated series,
Mark Milar makes a case. I think Warner Brothers is engaged in a case of "me too-ism" with their decision to film a Justice League film and it may be rushed. Nonetheless, DC has had great success translating its stories to animation. I am a casual comic book fan, most of my consumption is primarily through these animated films, and the DC Universe animated films are excellently written and many of them have been origin stories.

Like jackieblue mentioned the Justice League animated series, Batman Animated series, and Superman animated series were excellently written and portrayed. The animated films are also great and I haven't read DC comics ever. I regularly watch Young Justice etc. All in all, DC can and does do excellent films in animation. What they probably need is to talk to the animated division's creative team to learn what they are doing well and adapt it. DC has one advantage over Marvel. It owns all of its Superheroes which means it can use all of its properties in film. For example, Marvel had to switch some of the characters in the Planet Hulk animated movie due to licenses it leased to other studios.

I find Mark Milar's Green Lantern movie case lame as hell. Hulk failed, not once, but twice on film. But Marvel, contrary to DC, has been relentless in its plan plowing forward with its grand design, leading to the mega blockbuster The Avengers. X-Men 3 was and the Wolverine origin movie were duds, but once again, with single-minded determination they rebooted the X-Men story and is going for a sequel that seems to combine the rebooted and the "mainline" X-Men actors in another ambitious project.

My suggestion for DC is to go epic. Watch the DC Universe animated movies closely and learn from them. They were well executed and if they were able to pull a casual comic book fan enjoy the series and all these movies time and again, then they are doing something right.
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8:36PM on 02/06/2013
I am a huge comic book fan and nerd and love any and all comic book films that come out, but in no way is Justice League outdated. I give all the credit in the world to Marvel with the way they have handled things all the way from Iron Man to The Avengers and doing a brilliant job with the final results. But I have always been a DC fan more than Marvel and have always thought that Justice League was just cooler and better in every way. I mean how do you top Batman AND Superman on the same
I am a huge comic book fan and nerd and love any and all comic book films that come out, but in no way is Justice League outdated. I give all the credit in the world to Marvel with the way they have handled things all the way from Iron Man to The Avengers and doing a brilliant job with the final results. But I have always been a DC fan more than Marvel and have always thought that Justice League was just cooler and better in every way. I mean how do you top Batman AND Superman on the same team....two of the most iconic and popular superheroes of all time.

I think Millar is just being an asshole about the whole subject and I truly believe that the Justice League film will be great, exciting, and amazing. The fact that the characters are all so different and weird is what makes the characters so great and what makes them come together for the Justice League even better.
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8:13PM on 02/06/2013

I understand what he is saying

but he is coming at it from a hostile angle. DC is fucked up as far as their movie division go. Marvel was able to accomplish what they did for two reasons: multi-film strategy and lower class superheroes. Marvels superheroes are no where near the caliber of DCs, so putting them together made for a spectacle. Getting all of DCs heroes together shouldn't be hard, but DC is making it seem like it. Millar is wrong on getting these guys together on film, if they do it right, it will be
but he is coming at it from a hostile angle. DC is fucked up as far as their movie division go. Marvel was able to accomplish what they did for two reasons: multi-film strategy and lower class superheroes. Marvels superheroes are no where near the caliber of DCs, so putting them together made for a spectacle. Getting all of DCs heroes together shouldn't be hard, but DC is making it seem like it. Millar is wrong on getting these guys together on film, if they do it right, it will be fantastic. Aquaman talking udnerwater? Come on guys, it would not be hard to pull that off, and pull it off well.
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7:58PM on 02/06/2013
His comic books are terrible and he's a Marvel guy, so his opinion on DC is irrelevant. He should just stick to making sure the 20th Century Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe delivers.
His comic books are terrible and he's a Marvel guy, so his opinion on DC is irrelevant. He should just stick to making sure the 20th Century Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe delivers.
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7:54PM on 02/06/2013
The only way to really do it right, is to abandon the gritty and realistic tone that lends itself to Marvel characters. Sure it worked for Batman.
But for JLA as a whole I think the fantasy element of super heroes needs to be embraced. Perhaps doing it in stylized manner reminiscent of 300 or The Spirit. Maybe even setting it in the 40s or 50s and doing a kind of Dieselpunk film similar in tone to Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
The only way to really do it right, is to abandon the gritty and realistic tone that lends itself to Marvel characters. Sure it worked for Batman.
But for JLA as a whole I think the fantasy element of super heroes needs to be embraced. Perhaps doing it in stylized manner reminiscent of 300 or The Spirit. Maybe even setting it in the 40s or 50s and doing a kind of Dieselpunk film similar in tone to Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
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8:09PM on 02/06/2013
No that's exactly the way they need to do it... keeping a gritty realistic tone is exactly what sets it apart from the marvel movies.. setting it in the 40's or 50's is a horrible idea. snyders superman looks like its close to being on par with nolans batman. and since nolan will more than likely be producing justice league im sure this could be a homerun of a film. as good as avengers, maybe better. imo nolans batman is what made these comic films what they are today! and thats the only way
No that's exactly the way they need to do it... keeping a gritty realistic tone is exactly what sets it apart from the marvel movies.. setting it in the 40's or 50's is a horrible idea. snyders superman looks like its close to being on par with nolans batman. and since nolan will more than likely be producing justice league im sure this could be a homerun of a film. as good as avengers, maybe better. imo nolans batman is what made these comic films what they are today! and thats the only way these characters should be portrayed
8:52PM on 02/06/2013
I have to disagree. Gritty and realistic worked for the first two Nolan Batman films, and worked very well. But Batman lends itself to that kind of treatment.

Superman, well, Snyder's version is yet to be released so I suppose I'll have to wait and see, but judging by the trailers it's starting to look like something filled with a lot of teenage angst. Not really something I'd want to see in a Superman movie.

Frank Miller said it best when he said that Superman and Batman would not
I have to disagree. Gritty and realistic worked for the first two Nolan Batman films, and worked very well. But Batman lends itself to that kind of treatment.

Superman, well, Snyder's version is yet to be released so I suppose I'll have to wait and see, but judging by the trailers it's starting to look like something filled with a lot of teenage angst. Not really something I'd want to see in a Superman movie.

Frank Miller said it best when he said that Superman and Batman would not like each other. He's right. Which is why giving Superman the Batman treatment seems to be an error in waiting in my estimation.

But let's say Snyder's Superman works and is the best film of the year.

How then do you do a gritty and realistic Green Lantern? A gritty and realistic Flash? A gritty and realistic Aquaman? A gritty and realistic Wonder Woman? A gritty and realistic Hawkman? A gritty and realistic Martian Manhunter?

The property just doesn't lend itself overall to gritty and realistic. It does however lend itself to fantasy and fun. If these characters tend to appeal to younger audiences then embrace that. Not every superhero film needs to appeal to middle aged men who want to cry at a Superman movie.

Treating these characters like their radio contemporaries such as The Shadow, The Green Hornet, or The Phantom would be most appropriate and more importantly, mark a striking contrast from the Marvel films.
1:04AM on 02/07/2013
I disagree. I think with the Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman they can go gritty and realistic. The Green Lantern movie tried to be a comedy. It bombed. The Dark Knight movies were gritty. They were successful. They say they are going to wait and see what happens with Man of Steel before going ahead with Justice League. That tells me that the Justice League will be more like Man of Steel than Green Lantern if Man of Steel is a hit. My guess is that we will see
I disagree. I think with the Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman they can go gritty and realistic. The Green Lantern movie tried to be a comedy. It bombed. The Dark Knight movies were gritty. They were successful. They say they are going to wait and see what happens with Man of Steel before going ahead with Justice League. That tells me that the Justice League will be more like Man of Steel than Green Lantern if Man of Steel is a hit. My guess is that we will see Batman in the Justice League movie but we won't see Bruce Wayne which means it will be an open question as to whether or not the Justice League movie will be in the Nolanverse. Finally, there are grim and gritty Arrow and Amazon series coming from the CW. All that is left is for a grim and gritty reimagination of the Flash. I'd like to see a version of the Flash in which he is a high school athlete who, after an injury, is given an experimental drug by his coach. He then works with the police to arrest the people who manufactured the drug. But they don't have time to include an origin story in the movie so he'd need a stand alone film at some point.
7:20PM on 02/06/2013

I don't like Mark Millar

I'm no DC fan but it's not fair to judge the quality of their properties because Green Lantern sucked. If they could make a film as bad as Batman and Robin with the Batman character, they could make one bad film with Green Lantern. And let's not forget the many bad superhero films Mr. Millar's employer released after X2, with perfectly good characters.
I never liked Millar's comics. They always try too hard to be "edgy" and this kind of behaviour of attacking the competition goes in the same
I'm no DC fan but it's not fair to judge the quality of their properties because Green Lantern sucked. If they could make a film as bad as Batman and Robin with the Batman character, they could make one bad film with Green Lantern. And let's not forget the many bad superhero films Mr. Millar's employer released after X2, with perfectly good characters.
I never liked Millar's comics. They always try too hard to be "edgy" and this kind of behaviour of attacking the competition goes in the same direction.
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6:57PM on 02/06/2013

Millar = douche

Cap has wings on the side of his head and they made it work, why can't DC male the Flash and his "Lightning Bolts" work? Idiot
Cap has wings on the side of his head and they made it work, why can't DC male the Flash and his "Lightning Bolts" work? Idiot
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6:33PM on 02/06/2013
SNAP! Millar must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed. However, he made a good point. Green Lantern movie didn't do so well. The Flash and Aquaman might not do well either. The best bit is when he said The Flash has a door handle on the side of his head, hahaha.
SNAP! Millar must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed. However, he made a good point. Green Lantern movie didn't do so well. The Flash and Aquaman might not do well either. The best bit is when he said The Flash has a door handle on the side of his head, hahaha.
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5:34PM on 02/06/2013

I don't know about the rest of you....

But I would have paid money to see James Cameron's faux Aquaman movie from Entourage, and I don't even like Aquaman.
But I would have paid money to see James Cameron's faux Aquaman movie from Entourage, and I don't even like Aquaman.
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5:22PM on 02/06/2013

Ya...

so anyways I was reading this book on all the superheros and villians and all in the avengers and well damn they need to bring more in
so anyways I was reading this book on all the superheros and villians and all in the avengers and well damn they need to bring more in
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5:17PM on 02/06/2013
I know Millar has nothing to do with the demise of Firefly, but because of Firefly...all of you at Fox are idiots. The guy is basically trying to put down the competition before there is one. XMen 3, Fantastic four, Wolverine, Daredevil...they were all pieces of shit. How come he didn't mention anything about those movies? There is nothing unfilmable about a guy with super speed. Heck, even Disney has done an Atlantis film, not to mention Stargate and dozens of other movies and tv shows.
I know Millar has nothing to do with the demise of Firefly, but because of Firefly...all of you at Fox are idiots. The guy is basically trying to put down the competition before there is one. XMen 3, Fantastic four, Wolverine, Daredevil...they were all pieces of shit. How come he didn't mention anything about those movies? There is nothing unfilmable about a guy with super speed. Heck, even Disney has done an Atlantis film, not to mention Stargate and dozens of other movies and tv shows. Millar, you don't work for Marvel, you work for Fox, that is a difference of night and day. So please shut the fuck up.
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5:42PM on 02/06/2013
you do understand that Fox television and 20th century fox (film) are two separate corporate entities. And yea, i get your point about 'putting down the competition' but his points seem pretty well thought out and valid.

Also Disney's Atlantis was animated, the fantastic four movies did 600 million in box office, and ur dumb
you do understand that Fox television and 20th century fox (film) are two separate corporate entities. And yea, i get your point about 'putting down the competition' but his points seem pretty well thought out and valid.

Also Disney's Atlantis was animated, the fantastic four movies did 600 million in box office, and ur dumb
5:12PM on 02/06/2013

Thor

Who ever thought a THOR movie would be as good as it was? Talk about old fashioned characters. As I said before, anything is possible with a good script and a talented filmmaker with a vision.
Who ever thought a THOR movie would be as good as it was? Talk about old fashioned characters. As I said before, anything is possible with a good script and a talented filmmaker with a vision.
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1:19PM on 02/07/2013
They asked Hemsworth how he felt after getting punched by the Hulk. He said "Mighty Thor"...
They asked Hemsworth how he felt after getting punched by the Hulk. He said "Mighty Thor"...
4:38PM on 02/06/2013
He does have a point about the Flash. That costume is going to look ridiculous on screen and not make any sense in real life. ..but how the hell else do you do the flash?
He does have a point about the Flash. That costume is going to look ridiculous on screen and not make any sense in real life. ..but how the hell else do you do the flash?
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5:02PM on 02/06/2013
If they can make the Captain America costume work, they can make any costume work.
If they can make the Captain America costume work, they can make any costume work.
5:10PM on 02/06/2013
I agree. If they can make Cap's costume work...anyone's costume will work.
I agree. If they can make Cap's costume work...anyone's costume will work.
8:09PM on 02/06/2013
Well, John Wesley Shipp's costume in the 90s live-action Flash TV show actually looked pretty cool.
Well, John Wesley Shipp's costume in the 90s live-action Flash TV show actually looked pretty cool.
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3:06PM on 02/06/2013

DC can make a heck of a film with the right director and story that doesnt rush...and characters can always be updated like with the Supe-rebooting...

p.s what does fox know about comic movies, their comic adaptations suck..always!FOX is the one who has learnt nothing!
p.s what does fox know about comic movies, their comic adaptations suck..always!FOX is the one who has learnt nothing!
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2:55PM on 02/06/2013

Chill the eff out

Sure, some of his points are valid but take in consideration the many projects that were deemed unfilmable. The LOTR trilogy, Cloud Atlas, Life of Pi and The Road, just to mention a few. Sure they may not all have been great but at least they proved that nothing is unfilmable.
Sure, the filmmakers have one doozy of a challange before them to bring Justice League to life but this just sounds like the whining of a child. Millar should instead be cheering them on and hoping that it will be a
Sure, some of his points are valid but take in consideration the many projects that were deemed unfilmable. The LOTR trilogy, Cloud Atlas, Life of Pi and The Road, just to mention a few. Sure they may not all have been great but at least they proved that nothing is unfilmable.
Sure, the filmmakers have one doozy of a challange before them to bring Justice League to life but this just sounds like the whining of a child. Millar should instead be cheering them on and hoping that it will be a hit. Just so they can plan the inevitable "Avengers vs Justice League" movie.
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1:18AM on 02/07/2013
Watchmen was considered unfilmable.
Watchmen was considered unfilmable.
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2:53PM on 02/06/2013

Inflated Ego much?

I've enjoyed much of Millar's work and I think he's a good writer in many respects, but the guy has been pretty mouthy lately. Perhaps making him Creative Consultant over at Fox has only made him a bit egotistical.
I've enjoyed much of Millar's work and I think he's a good writer in many respects, but the guy has been pretty mouthy lately. Perhaps making him Creative Consultant over at Fox has only made him a bit egotistical.
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2:51PM on 02/06/2013
I kind of have to agree with Millar. A JL movie could work, but he makes a fair point about the massive mythology of each character. The Avengers is one thing, all of those characters had well handled, individual films. So far, DC has had one good trilogy of films in the new age. You could count the old Superman films, but it's likely that any of the newer generation going to see a JL movie wouldn't watch the old Superman films and instead focus on the new ones. Green Lantern wasn't enough of a
I kind of have to agree with Millar. A JL movie could work, but he makes a fair point about the massive mythology of each character. The Avengers is one thing, all of those characters had well handled, individual films. So far, DC has had one good trilogy of films in the new age. You could count the old Superman films, but it's likely that any of the newer generation going to see a JL movie wouldn't watch the old Superman films and instead focus on the new ones. Green Lantern wasn't enough of a movie in it's own right to warrant a JL movie. And they would have to introduce Wonder Woman and Flash in their own films. The JL characters are all too big and have too much of a backstory to simply throw them all together in a two hour movie. It's actually a compliment to DC that their mythologies are so deep that they can't simply make one two hour movie to fit the JL into.
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2:49PM on 02/06/2013

Duude...

lets just see what YOU are cooking before smelling others, okay?
lets just see what YOU are cooking before smelling others, okay?
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2:48PM on 02/06/2013

Millar's a self promotic dick

While I don't think the way DC is going about a JL movie currently is a good idea (you need some build up first) is a good way to go, the talk about DC's characters being to old is total bullshit. Marvel's characters are 50 years old now, and they do pretty well don't they. And all comics are constantly re-developing and updating their characters. The guys a good writer, but fuck him on this.
While I don't think the way DC is going about a JL movie currently is a good idea (you need some build up first) is a good way to go, the talk about DC's characters being to old is total bullshit. Marvel's characters are 50 years old now, and they do pretty well don't they. And all comics are constantly re-developing and updating their characters. The guys a good writer, but fuck him on this.
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2:48PM on 02/06/2013
This just rises my suspicion that he didn't actually write "Superman Red Son".
This just rises my suspicion that he didn't actually write "Superman Red Son".
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2:27PM on 02/06/2013

Millar is a KNUCKLEHEAD

I'm happy that he is enjoying taking a big shit on DC right now but isn't this the same guy who a few years ago was pitching his Superman idea to anyone that would listen?? Go piss up a rope, Millar.
I'm happy that he is enjoying taking a big shit on DC right now but isn't this the same guy who a few years ago was pitching his Superman idea to anyone that would listen?? Go piss up a rope, Millar.
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2:25PM on 02/06/2013
The last great superhero movie was Spiderman 2. Everything after that has been rushed, soulless, mediocre, or just acceptable.
The last great superhero movie was Spiderman 2. Everything after that has been rushed, soulless, mediocre, or just acceptable.
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4:51AM on 02/07/2013
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
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2:14PM on 02/06/2013

Incredibly stupid arguments...

There is nothing about the DC characters that could not have been just as easily stated about the Avengers characters. Hell, The Justice League is a far more well known property to non-comic fans than the Avengers ever would have been prior to the films. While I do admire Marvel's logistics and planning in creating and exploring their universe, and definitely believe that DC is far behind in that category, there is no reason stated above that definitvely proves anything. Millar loves to see his
There is nothing about the DC characters that could not have been just as easily stated about the Avengers characters. Hell, The Justice League is a far more well known property to non-comic fans than the Avengers ever would have been prior to the films. While I do admire Marvel's logistics and planning in creating and exploring their universe, and definitely believe that DC is far behind in that category, there is no reason stated above that definitvely proves anything. Millar loves to see his name in print, and is always ready to give a quote to anyone on any topic at any time.
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1:24AM on 02/07/2013
Warner Brothers had hired Joss Whedon to write and direct a Wonder Woman movie and David S. Goyer to write (and presumably direct) movies about the Flash and the Green Arrow. None of those movies got greenlit. If Warner Brothers had gone ahead with those movies they would have been ahead of Marvel now and would probably have grossed a billion dollars last year with The Justice League.
Warner Brothers had hired Joss Whedon to write and direct a Wonder Woman movie and David S. Goyer to write (and presumably direct) movies about the Flash and the Green Arrow. None of those movies got greenlit. If Warner Brothers had gone ahead with those movies they would have been ahead of Marvel now and would probably have grossed a billion dollars last year with The Justice League.
2:07PM on 02/06/2013
Millar just likes to stir the pot. It's what he does. Prepare for many more articles like this... We comics fans have been dealing with them for years.
Millar just likes to stir the pot. It's what he does. Prepare for many more articles like this... We comics fans have been dealing with them for years.
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2:02PM on 02/06/2013

i dont get it...

DC has some great animated movies. with a $200 million budget, i'm sure you can re-create that magic in live action.
DC has some great animated movies. with a $200 million budget, i'm sure you can re-create that magic in live action.
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2:02PM on 02/06/2013

i dont get it...

DC has some great animated movies. with a $200 million budget, i'm sure you can re-create that magic in live action.
DC has some great animated movies. with a $200 million budget, i'm sure you can re-create that magic in live action.
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2:09PM on 02/06/2013
DC makes animated movies based on great story arcs, movies usually use a new story. And animated movies are for comic fans, because they don't need origins. Everybody knows the characters while moviegoers are likely not familiar with the characters.
DC makes animated movies based on great story arcs, movies usually use a new story. And animated movies are for comic fans, because they don't need origins. Everybody knows the characters while moviegoers are likely not familiar with the characters.
2:01PM on 02/06/2013

Never Say Never

Anything's possible with a good script and a talented filmmaker. You just need the right person with the right take on reinventing the characters and story for both the screen and the current time. Classic characters evolve. They need to in order to remain relevant. The problem is comic book readers tend to hold their beloved comics and heroes as sacred as religion. They don't like to have any changes made when their favorite characters are adapted for the screen. I understand that completely,
Anything's possible with a good script and a talented filmmaker. You just need the right person with the right take on reinventing the characters and story for both the screen and the current time. Classic characters evolve. They need to in order to remain relevant. The problem is comic book readers tend to hold their beloved comics and heroes as sacred as religion. They don't like to have any changes made when their favorite characters are adapted for the screen. I understand that completely, but they must take into account the differences of form between the illustrated page and the screen. While they're both visual, they are completely different outlets, and one needs to heavily modify the story in one form to suit the other. If one were attempt a direct adaption of a comic book for the screen without making the necessary changes, one gets a film like THE SPIRIT, where we learned that comic book dialogue like "I'm gonna conquer the world!" really doesn't work when spoken by a living breathing actor... even when that actor is as great as Samuel L. Jackson.
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2:01PM on 02/06/2013
DC fans should be thankful he wrote Superman: Red Son which is one of the finest Superman stories ever written.
DC fans should be thankful he wrote Superman: Red Son which is one of the finest Superman stories ever written.
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8:42PM on 02/06/2013
Agreed. Just read it a few weeks back, and thought it was a fucking brilliant reinvention!
Agreed. Just read it a few weeks back, and thought it was a fucking brilliant reinvention!
1:57PM on 02/06/2013

shocking

The corporate mouth piece opens his mouth and bile and ignorance spills out as he attempts to bad mouth the competition. Shocking.

"even the newest major character was created 68 years agoÖ." Hal Jordan was create 54 years ago. Barry Allen 57 years ago. Superman - well technically he's only a year old because of the new 52 - same with Wonder Woman. But Mark Millar knows all this. That's why he intentionally ignored facts like Iron Man is 50 years old. Hulk - 51 years old. Captain
The corporate mouth piece opens his mouth and bile and ignorance spills out as he attempts to bad mouth the competition. Shocking.

"even the newest major character was created 68 years agoÖ." Hal Jordan was create 54 years ago. Barry Allen 57 years ago. Superman - well technically he's only a year old because of the new 52 - same with Wonder Woman. But Mark Millar knows all this. That's why he intentionally ignored facts like Iron Man is 50 years old. Hulk - 51 years old. Captain America 72 years old. And THOR - well he technically outdates EVEN SUPERMAN's original birthday. So if you want to call another company's characters out of date - maybe you should look real carefully at Marvel's too. Douchbag. Aquaman is hard to translate because he can communicate without speaking? You mean like Professor X? Or because he lives underwater - like NAMOR? These ideas DO work on screen and will work again. Please - this guy is a corporate windbag who is only good at one thing - promoting himself. Remember this is the same schmuck who was writing a reboot for the Superman franchise and insisted that his screenplay for Superman was "the only one I have ever truly wanted" to make. Yeah - that's right - people routinely make "dream" screenplays for irrevelant characters. What an ass.
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1:39PM on 02/06/2013

I agree, but I think there's a chance...

What they need to do is drop all this "gritty-realism" stuff, which works in spades for Batman, but does not lend itself well to any other DC property, and go with a suped up classic approach. Like how Alex Ross draws them. Timeless, immortal and larger than life.

Instead of trying to link them together to create a cohesive universe like the Marvel films, just do one offs that each have a unique look and feel and creative vision behind them. I mean, there IS a reason these characters have
What they need to do is drop all this "gritty-realism" stuff, which works in spades for Batman, but does not lend itself well to any other DC property, and go with a suped up classic approach. Like how Alex Ross draws them. Timeless, immortal and larger than life.

Instead of trying to link them together to create a cohesive universe like the Marvel films, just do one offs that each have a unique look and feel and creative vision behind them. I mean, there IS a reason these characters have lasted 75 years. They just need to capitalize on it.
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1:38PM on 02/06/2013
The man is a fucking idiot. Thor and Cap have wings on the helmet, but that hasn't ruined their movies. The events of The Avengers are just as convoluted as anything in The Green Lantern (Gods, aliens, cosmic cubes of power, gamma beasts, nukes, etc) and it was fucking magical.

The reason the Justice League movie will suck is because Warner's are jumping on a bandwagon, rushing a product through for all of the wrong reasons. The fact that these characters have survived to this point in time
The man is a fucking idiot. Thor and Cap have wings on the helmet, but that hasn't ruined their movies. The events of The Avengers are just as convoluted as anything in The Green Lantern (Gods, aliens, cosmic cubes of power, gamma beasts, nukes, etc) and it was fucking magical.

The reason the Justice League movie will suck is because Warner's are jumping on a bandwagon, rushing a product through for all of the wrong reasons. The fact that these characters have survived to this point in time is because they're utterly relevant. Each one of these make for good animated movies/series to this day and can easily be done in live action if given to the right writer/director who are making the movies for the right reasons and with the right passion.
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2:40PM on 02/06/2013
The avengers also had the benefit of explaining those things in four prior movies. He was drawing attention to the fact that for non-comic readers they would need that information drawn out rather then just thrown into a single movie.
The avengers also had the benefit of explaining those things in four prior movies. He was drawing attention to the fact that for non-comic readers they would need that information drawn out rather then just thrown into a single movie.
3:34PM on 02/06/2013
Those four movies Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger are proof that it can be done Barack. The Avengers even more so. Green Lantern just did it wrong. So did Superman Returns. The movie will suck for all the reasons Guy said it would.
Those four movies Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger are proof that it can be done Barack. The Avengers even more so. Green Lantern just did it wrong. So did Superman Returns. The movie will suck for all the reasons Guy said it would.
2:30PM on 02/07/2013
Yes, that's what I said. I wasn't disagreeing with Guy's points, just illustrating that there was a reason avengers worked with those "convoluted events". I wholeheartedly agree with Guy's second paragraph.
Yes, that's what I said. I wasn't disagreeing with Guy's points, just illustrating that there was a reason avengers worked with those "convoluted events". I wholeheartedly agree with Guy's second paragraph.
1:34PM on 02/06/2013
I do agree about the film being unfilmable. But there is away in making them work. I feel like this film is so unnecessary right now or ever. Most people other than fans would see it because of Batman or Superman, and know nothing of the others. Green Lantern could have been a better film if the screenwriter didn't just do it for the paycheck.
I do agree about the film being unfilmable. But there is away in making them work. I feel like this film is so unnecessary right now or ever. Most people other than fans would see it because of Batman or Superman, and know nothing of the others. Green Lantern could have been a better film if the screenwriter didn't just do it for the paycheck.
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1:20PM on 02/06/2013
To me this guy is just trying to bury the competition. He is complaining saying the heroes are too old to be taken seriously. Yet, they have remained awesome all these years. Green Lantern was a subpar movie because of Studio influence, not because The Green Lantern is too complex. Flash is an interesting character which a rich rogue gallery. And Aquaman is doable. Just because he is a water based hero doesn't mean it is impossible. Fuck Aquaman is a better character than Namor.
To me this guy is just trying to bury the competition. He is complaining saying the heroes are too old to be taken seriously. Yet, they have remained awesome all these years. Green Lantern was a subpar movie because of Studio influence, not because The Green Lantern is too complex. Flash is an interesting character which a rich rogue gallery. And Aquaman is doable. Just because he is a water based hero doesn't mean it is impossible. Fuck Aquaman is a better character than Namor.

Hell, you can point out the silly shit that Marvel has all the way. This guy has no word on any of this in my opinion
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1:19PM on 02/06/2013

Oh hey look, that jagoff again

Give it a rest dude
Give it a rest dude
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1:16PM on 02/06/2013
They shouldn't do the JL movie without at least one stand alone film for each of the lead heroes. Introducing Martian Manhunter in a JL film could work of they make it part of the plot, but it doesn't look like they're using him. Honestly, just look how well the team aspect worked in the Justice League animated series that ran from 2001-2006 - it was rarely convoluted and was one of the greatest comic based shows of all time (if not THE greatest). I've never understood why WB just doesn't hire
They shouldn't do the JL movie without at least one stand alone film for each of the lead heroes. Introducing Martian Manhunter in a JL film could work of they make it part of the plot, but it doesn't look like they're using him. Honestly, just look how well the team aspect worked in the Justice League animated series that ran from 2001-2006 - it was rarely convoluted and was one of the greatest comic based shows of all time (if not THE greatest). I've never understood why WB just doesn't hire Bruce Timm and a few of the folks from his team to head up the live action DC on film projects. Brad Bird successfully went from animation to live action. They know these characters well and would make some excellent movies.
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1:53PM on 02/06/2013
I don't totally agree. A team movie can just as easy be used as a platform to spin off from than as a goal to reach for
I don't totally agree. A team movie can just as easy be used as a platform to spin off from than as a goal to reach for
1:13PM on 02/06/2013
Are Millar's opinions Wanted?
Are Millar's opinions Wanted?
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1:59PM on 02/06/2013
prob not. but as a marvel fan, his opinions Kick-Ass!
prob not. but as a marvel fan, his opinions Kick-Ass!
2:23PM on 02/06/2013
I see you both found your Nemesis!
I see you both found your Nemesis!
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1:09PM on 02/06/2013

Convoluted?

Haha! The problem with Green Lantern wasn't that the plot was complex, it was that it was nearly non-existent. Just a string of generic "super-hero movie" beats stuck together with bits and pieces of mangled Green Lantern lore.
Haha! The problem with Green Lantern wasn't that the plot was complex, it was that it was nearly non-existent. Just a string of generic "super-hero movie" beats stuck together with bits and pieces of mangled Green Lantern lore.
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