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Damage control continues! Lionsgate replies to Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game controversy

07.12.2013

And the molehill becomes a mountain. The continuing back-and-forth between groups boycotting the film adaptation of ENDER'S GAME and author Orson Scott Card has now forced the studio to release their own statement on the matter, which is both damage control and a message of common sense (i.e. one thing has nothing to do with the other).

Here's Lionsgate's statement:

“As proud longtime supporters of the LGBT community, champions of films ranging from GODS AND MONSTERS to THE PERKS OF BEING A WALLFLOWER and a Company that is proud to have recognized same-sex unions and domestic partnerships within its employee benefits policies for many years, we obviously do not agree with the personal views of Orson Scott Card and those of the National Organization for Marriage.  However, they are completely irrelevant to a discussion of ENDER’S GAME.  The simple fact is that neither the underlying book nor the film itself reflect these views in any way, shape or form.  On the contrary, the film not only transports viewers to an entertaining and action-filled world, but it does so with positive and inspiring characters who ultimately deliver an ennobling and life-affirming message. Lionsgate will continue its longstanding commitment to the LGBT community by exploring new ways we can support LGBT causes and, as part of this ongoing process, will host a benefit premiere for ENDER’S GAME.”

- Lionsgate Entertainment

Personally, I think this is being blown way out of proportion, but certainly Card isn't helping matters by continuing to address the issue. If we're going to start boycotting movies because of someone's beliefs then be prepared not to see any more movies. My only question is: Why is there not a movement like this to stop movies like GROWN UPS 2 or THE SMURFS 2? C'mon boycott groups, get your shit together. There's way more offensive material out there than a sci-fi adaptation with Indiana Jones and the fake Mandarin.

What do you think? Has this gotten ridiculous or what?

Oh, and in case anyone forgot what we're talking about, here's the trailer for ENDER'S GAME...

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Extra Tidbit: Can't we all just get along and watch some movies? C'mon man!
Source: Lionsgate

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6:09AM on 07/15/2013

Seriously

I saw someone refer to us as "fags" on another post (same story). Does this mean I can start using nigger, spick, kike, rice gobbler, et al? Yay! I'm so glad I don't have to be PC anymore. By the way, this F@ck will continue to get money after this movie comes out. I hope it fails miserably--he has been hateful toward gays since the '80s and NOW he says we should show him compassion since the issue of equality is now "moot?" Sorry, dude, go F@ck yourself. End of rant.
I saw someone refer to us as "fags" on another post (same story). Does this mean I can start using nigger, spick, kike, rice gobbler, et al? Yay! I'm so glad I don't have to be PC anymore. By the way, this F@ck will continue to get money after this movie comes out. I hope it fails miserably--he has been hateful toward gays since the '80s and NOW he says we should show him compassion since the issue of equality is now "moot?" Sorry, dude, go F@ck yourself. End of rant.
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6:44AM on 07/15/2013
Agreed...the book sales will get a bump if it's a successful movie, so the fact that he doesn't have a % of movie royalties doesn't matter...seeing the movie WILL put money into the pocket of OSC.

Besides, let's not forget the main reason to skip the movie: THIS BOOK SUCKED BALLS!!! (and not in the good way)
Agreed...the book sales will get a bump if it's a successful movie, so the fact that he doesn't have a % of movie royalties doesn't matter...seeing the movie WILL put money into the pocket of OSC.

Besides, let's not forget the main reason to skip the movie: THIS BOOK SUCKED BALLS!!! (and not in the good way)
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9:33PM on 07/13/2013
Obvious damage control overtones aside, Lionsgate's message avoids an important point. The problem isn't whether the content of Ender's Game reflects OSC's personal beliefs. The problem (for me, anyway) is whether OSC will receive royalties or residuals generated by the film's box office revenue. I understand he's likely been paid a stipend for licensing the rights already, and there's nothing that can be done about that. But if OSC will continue to be paid based on how well the movie does,
Obvious damage control overtones aside, Lionsgate's message avoids an important point. The problem isn't whether the content of Ender's Game reflects OSC's personal beliefs. The problem (for me, anyway) is whether OSC will receive royalties or residuals generated by the film's box office revenue. I understand he's likely been paid a stipend for licensing the rights already, and there's nothing that can be done about that. But if OSC will continue to be paid based on how well the movie does, then boycotting is something I'm happy to do. I don't support the causes he tithes his money to. And his attempt to paint himself as the victim now after a lifetime of virulent attacks against the gay community are just pathetic.
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6:48AM on 07/15/2013
And let's not forget the book-to-movie bounce...people will buy this book if the movie is successful, which is certainly a bonus to OSC and outside of the money he already has been paid.

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And let's not forget the book-to-movie bounce...people will buy this book if the movie is successful, which is certainly a bonus to OSC and outside of the money he already has been paid.

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7:54PM on 07/13/2013

What happen...

to when everybody just STFU and minded their own beewax. Now you can't say shit with out people getting into an uproar and their panties in a bunch. Can't write anything anywhere or say anything anymore either. Oh well. Lame ass world.
to when everybody just STFU and minded their own beewax. Now you can't say shit with out people getting into an uproar and their panties in a bunch. Can't write anything anywhere or say anything anymore either. Oh well. Lame ass world.
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6:39PM on 07/13/2013

Orson Scott Card's track record

Just so everyone's aware of Card's history, he has stated the following since 1980: that gays and lesbians are "tragically genetically inferior", that we're "mentally ill", he has threatened to destroy any government that allows gay marriage, has linked pedophiles and homosexuals, and in 1990 called for the perpetuation of laws against gay relationships (which he later recanted). So his report card isn't just fouled by one infringement; it's one long list of bigotry. And that's not just
Just so everyone's aware of Card's history, he has stated the following since 1980: that gays and lesbians are "tragically genetically inferior", that we're "mentally ill", he has threatened to destroy any government that allows gay marriage, has linked pedophiles and homosexuals, and in 1990 called for the perpetuation of laws against gay relationships (which he later recanted). So his report card isn't just fouled by one infringement; it's one long list of bigotry. And that's not just "having a differing opinion", that's downright hate.
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6:35PM on 07/13/2013

Orson Scott Card's track record

Just so everyone's aware of Card's history, he has stated the following since 1980: that gays and lesbians are "tragically genetically inferior", that we're "mentally ill", he has threatened to destroy any government that allows gay marriage, has linked pedophiles and homosexuals, and in 1990 called for the perpetuation of laws against gay relationships (which he later recanted). So his report card isn't just fouled by one infringement; it's one long list of bigotry. And that's not just
Just so everyone's aware of Card's history, he has stated the following since 1980: that gays and lesbians are "tragically genetically inferior", that we're "mentally ill", he has threatened to destroy any government that allows gay marriage, has linked pedophiles and homosexuals, and in 1990 called for the perpetuation of laws against gay relationships (which he later recanted). So his report card isn't just fouled by one infringement; it's one long list of bigotry. And that's not just "having a differing opinion", that's downright hate.
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5:54PM on 07/13/2013
You take the one story the guy ever wrote that's actually a strong argument AGAINST his very beliefs, and you want to boycott it. Smart move, dummies. I agree with Paul. We need to turn these peoples' attention to Adam Sandler. If there's anyone who needs to be shamed and driven out of Hollywood with prejudice, it's that guy.
You take the one story the guy ever wrote that's actually a strong argument AGAINST his very beliefs, and you want to boycott it. Smart move, dummies. I agree with Paul. We need to turn these peoples' attention to Adam Sandler. If there's anyone who needs to be shamed and driven out of Hollywood with prejudice, it's that guy.
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6:49AM on 07/15/2013
It is a smart move....because he'll get book sales increases (read "more money to continue to live a hateful life") if the movie succeeds.

But just for the sake of completeness, what hate speech has Adam Sandler been throwing around?
It is a smart move....because he'll get book sales increases (read "more money to continue to live a hateful life") if the movie succeeds.

But just for the sake of completeness, what hate speech has Adam Sandler been throwing around?
5:16PM on 07/13/2013

Hmmm....

I don't think I have ever heard an argument against homosexuality or specifically gay marriage that didn't include God, Bible, or "It's just not natural". Does one exist? I think the supreme court realized that one does not exist... least not one that holds any weight.
I was never going to see this movie and I still won't. I'm also guessing that there will be a surge of right wingers that had no interest in it that are now dying to go support it right after they gobble up some Chick-fil-A.
I don't think I have ever heard an argument against homosexuality or specifically gay marriage that didn't include God, Bible, or "It's just not natural". Does one exist? I think the supreme court realized that one does not exist... least not one that holds any weight.
I was never going to see this movie and I still won't. I'm also guessing that there will be a surge of right wingers that had no interest in it that are now dying to go support it right after they gobble up some Chick-fil-A.
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4:58PM on 07/13/2013

A whacked out artist?

Who would've guessed? He can have his views, I can have mine, you can have yours. I loved his books growing up, but I guess you have to calm the masses that feed off this type of bs exterior to movie and fan sites (many of which just want a good fucking movie).
Who would've guessed? He can have his views, I can have mine, you can have yours. I loved his books growing up, but I guess you have to calm the masses that feed off this type of bs exterior to movie and fan sites (many of which just want a good fucking movie).
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4:38PM on 07/13/2013

A whacked out artist?

Who would've guessed? He can have his views, I can have mine, you can have yours. I loved his books growing up, but I guess you have to calm the masses that feed off this type of bs exterior to movie and fan sites (many of which just want a good fucking movie).
Who would've guessed? He can have his views, I can have mine, you can have yours. I loved his books growing up, but I guess you have to calm the masses that feed off this type of bs exterior to movie and fan sites (many of which just want a good fucking movie).
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5:34AM on 07/13/2013
Lionsgate: "Ender's Game has nothing to do with the LGBT community nor Orson Scott Card's opinions of on LGBT issues and that is why Lionsgate will continue its long-standing commitment to LGBT causes by hosting a benefit premiere of Ender's Game. To, y'know, show that the two things have nothing to do with one another."

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Lionsgate: "Ender's Game has nothing to do with the LGBT community nor Orson Scott Card's opinions of on LGBT issues and that is why Lionsgate will continue its long-standing commitment to LGBT causes by hosting a benefit premiere of Ender's Game. To, y'know, show that the two things have nothing to do with one another."

Wibble.
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2:41AM on 07/13/2013

personally i don't care about either sides comments on the matter

but while i have no problems with the gay community, i don't think governments have the right to religious institutions what they can do with marriage... the government in england gave the gay community the civil partnership which in all terms is a gay marriage just that the church don't agree with it, and that's fine by me... let the church do its own thing and let gay people do their thing... just don't let the stupid western governments or companies get involved as they don't know rat shit
but while i have no problems with the gay community, i don't think governments have the right to religious institutions what they can do with marriage... the government in england gave the gay community the civil partnership which in all terms is a gay marriage just that the church don't agree with it, and that's fine by me... let the church do its own thing and let gay people do their thing... just don't let the stupid western governments or companies get involved as they don't know rat shit from rice crispies.
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6:20AM on 07/13/2013
This is how it works in the states. The government isn't forcing a single religious institution to marry same-sex couples, it's just allowing couples to officially have the federal and state benefits like a normal heterosexual couple would. What a lot of Conservatives in this country are upset about is calling the union a marriage which I don't see how it's a problem because their main argument is that it goes against 'their' definition of marriage which typically comes from a biblical
This is how it works in the states. The government isn't forcing a single religious institution to marry same-sex couples, it's just allowing couples to officially have the federal and state benefits like a normal heterosexual couple would. What a lot of Conservatives in this country are upset about is calling the union a marriage which I don't see how it's a problem because their main argument is that it goes against 'their' definition of marriage which typically comes from a biblical perspective.
5:43PM on 07/13/2013
See, this is the fundamental failure of understand that always ALWAYS happens when this topic gets brought up. There's "Marriage" as in the sacrament of matrimony/whatever other religions want to call it, which is purely a religious thing that the US government has nothing to do with nor cares one lick about. Then there's "Marriage" the binding contract you sign to officially be recognized as married in the US, which entirely changes your taxation status. This issue is with the LATTER. The
See, this is the fundamental failure of understand that always ALWAYS happens when this topic gets brought up. There's "Marriage" as in the sacrament of matrimony/whatever other religions want to call it, which is purely a religious thing that the US government has nothing to do with nor cares one lick about. Then there's "Marriage" the binding contract you sign to officially be recognized as married in the US, which entirely changes your taxation status. This issue is with the LATTER. The former can do whatever the hell it wants.
6:51AM on 07/15/2013
Not sure if you realize, but the government institution of marriage has ZERO to do with religious establishments. It's a legal issue, and using a "church" or other religious trappings is extra, over and above. All that matters to the government is that signed piece of paper which (if you've seen enough weddings) isn't even signed during the ceremony! You're not "married" until that paper is signed.
Not sure if you realize, but the government institution of marriage has ZERO to do with religious establishments. It's a legal issue, and using a "church" or other religious trappings is extra, over and above. All that matters to the government is that signed piece of paper which (if you've seen enough weddings) isn't even signed during the ceremony! You're not "married" until that paper is signed.
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2:20AM on 07/13/2013
Well, good for them. It's nice that they are paying attention and are responding appropriately. As for all the bitching, people need to get over it. Look, I'm a strong supporter of marriage equality and I wish people would get over the issue of varying equalities. It always amazes me how people can want to keep others inexplicably inferior, it makes no sense. But I still want to see this movie. It looks entertaining to me, and while I've never read any of the Ender's Game books, I've always
Well, good for them. It's nice that they are paying attention and are responding appropriately. As for all the bitching, people need to get over it. Look, I'm a strong supporter of marriage equality and I wish people would get over the issue of varying equalities. It always amazes me how people can want to keep others inexplicably inferior, it makes no sense. But I still want to see this movie. It looks entertaining to me, and while I've never read any of the Ender's Game books, I've always been fascinated by the story. Plus, the cast looks fantastic. If people don't want to see this over one man's ideology, then I think that's fine. But don't expect everyone to do the same, that's going down the same road that anti-gay's like to take and I won't take that path.

One thing that DOES bother me is all this stuff about "opinions" and "beliefs". Look, if someone tells you that they're gay and that it's not a choice, then there's no opinion about it. You can't tell that person their wrong. That's like walking up to a black man or a jewish man and saying that, in your "opinion", they're not black or jewish. Just accept that people are gay without choice if that's what they say they are. And if you have a problem with people "cramming their lifestyle down your throat", don't give them a damn reason to do it. Treat them like you would any other normal, civilized, decent person. And perhaps, just maybe, when the gay community is treated as equally as any other decent, civilized group of people in this world, then people won't have to feel like that "lifestyle" is being "crammed" down their throats.
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1:28AM on 07/13/2013
Sooooo stupid
Sooooo stupid
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10:41PM on 07/12/2013
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10:35PM on 07/12/2013
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10:32PM on 07/12/2013
When it comes to those who say the "gay/lesbian issue" is being shoved down your throat, I wonder how you would have felt about blacks seeking rights in the 50s. Would that be something you felt they were shoving down your throats or is that not the same argument because apparently being gay or transgender is a lifestyle choice.
When it comes to those who say the "gay/lesbian issue" is being shoved down your throat, I wonder how you would have felt about blacks seeking rights in the 50s. Would that be something you felt they were shoving down your throats or is that not the same argument because apparently being gay or transgender is a lifestyle choice.
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7:06AM on 07/13/2013
Yeah, try to say that to all those homophobic black people...
And yet, neither (gay or black) is a choice...
Good point though.
Yeah, try to say that to all those homophobic black people...
And yet, neither (gay or black) is a choice...
Good point though.
11:42AM on 07/13/2013
I disagree, Cahelotte. I do believe it's a choice....(being gay, that is; I don't think there is a 'gay gene')...and this is coming from someone who is a bisexual black man.

I disagree, Cahelotte. I do believe it's a choice....(being gay, that is; I don't think there is a 'gay gene')...and this is coming from someone who is a bisexual black man.

1:24PM on 07/13/2013
I was never afforded the chance to make the "choice" what my sexuality would be. Neither was my partner, who even got married and had 2 awesome kids before he realized that he just couldn't force himself to be straight. I certainly wish all those people who know that being gay is a "choice" had let me know, before I made that fateful decision to be gay.

It's not a choice. It's immutable. I believe that gravity causes objects to fall up. See how silly that sounds?
I was never afforded the chance to make the "choice" what my sexuality would be. Neither was my partner, who even got married and had 2 awesome kids before he realized that he just couldn't force himself to be straight. I certainly wish all those people who know that being gay is a "choice" had let me know, before I made that fateful decision to be gay.

It's not a choice. It's immutable. I believe that gravity causes objects to fall up. See how silly that sounds?
1:55PM on 07/13/2013
Alpharugger, I actually had this discussion in a LGBT club years ago; I gave the example of me - who fell for a hot Asian guy - and what the public would think if he and I became a couple; we would be looked at as a 'gay' couple, not a gay guy/bisexual guy. (I don't consider myself 'gay' since I like the opposite sex as well). However, I do understand there are various opinions on whether or not it is a choice.
Alpharugger, I actually had this discussion in a LGBT club years ago; I gave the example of me - who fell for a hot Asian guy - and what the public would think if he and I became a couple; we would be looked at as a 'gay' couple, not a gay guy/bisexual guy. (I don't consider myself 'gay' since I like the opposite sex as well). However, I do understand there are various opinions on whether or not it is a choice.
6:57AM on 07/15/2013
Joel,

I've read and re-read your argument, but can't find any logic in it.

Perhaps you meant "who you sleep with is a choice" and I agree with that, of course. But if you meant "who you DESIRE to sleep with is a choice" then I will disagree.

It's like saying "I choose to like the taste of vanilla ice cream". Really? And when did I sit down and make that conscious CHOICE of what to like? I didn't. Just like I didn't pick my sexuality, my enjoyment of movies or my dislike
Joel,

I've read and re-read your argument, but can't find any logic in it.

Perhaps you meant "who you sleep with is a choice" and I agree with that, of course. But if you meant "who you DESIRE to sleep with is a choice" then I will disagree.

It's like saying "I choose to like the taste of vanilla ice cream". Really? And when did I sit down and make that conscious CHOICE of what to like? I didn't. Just like I didn't pick my sexuality, my enjoyment of movies or my dislike of cold weather. But what I *can* choose is WHO I sleep with, WHETHER OR NOT I go to a movie and WHETHER OR NOT I go outside during a snowstorm.
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9:33PM on 07/12/2013
Gay community doesn't care about an open forum for equal discussion of differing viewpoints, they want their lifestyle and point of view crammed down the throats of everyone else. Your nothing more than a bigot and hate-monger if you dont agree with it. Typical progressive ideology.
Gay community doesn't care about an open forum for equal discussion of differing viewpoints, they want their lifestyle and point of view crammed down the throats of everyone else. Your nothing more than a bigot and hate-monger if you dont agree with it. Typical progressive ideology.
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9:38PM on 07/12/2013
See my post below, and let me know if your "argument" holds water. Please tell me, how does denying someone of the basic rights afforded to everyone else equate to cramming our LIFESTYLE down your throats??
See my post below, and let me know if your "argument" holds water. Please tell me, how does denying someone of the basic rights afforded to everyone else equate to cramming our LIFESTYLE down your throats??
9:44PM on 07/12/2013
I already responded to your comment below.
I already responded to your comment below.
12:09AM on 07/13/2013
God you sound like such an idiot
God you sound like such an idiot
7:09AM on 07/13/2013
There are idiots in every communities, gays included, but the majority does not correspond your description
There are idiots in every communities, gays included, but the majority does not correspond your description
9:28AM on 07/13/2013
1. Ascribing individual motivations and characteristics across an entire social group is the definition of being a bigot.
2. Most of my gay friends and relatives "gay agenda" end at being treated with respect equal to everybody else.
3. Nobody wants to cram their lifestyle down your throat. You can't "catch gay."
4. You're basically white-washing the oppression that the LGBT community has been facing since... forever. You're characterizing this as if there's been no societal oppression of
1. Ascribing individual motivations and characteristics across an entire social group is the definition of being a bigot.
2. Most of my gay friends and relatives "gay agenda" end at being treated with respect equal to everybody else.
3. Nobody wants to cram their lifestyle down your throat. You can't "catch gay."
4. You're basically white-washing the oppression that the LGBT community has been facing since... forever. You're characterizing this as if there's been no societal oppression of homosexuals, and they are a group on equal footing looking for dominance over a straight community. That would be laughable if it wasn't so completely horrible in how it overlooks the real victims who have been harmed and killed by intolerant people who felt like acting on attitudes like yours.
5. You're ignorant, and I feel sorry for you.
4:37PM on 07/13/2013
Ignorant troll post posts troll post.
Ignorant troll post posts troll post.
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9:01PM on 07/12/2013
cuz of one person people want to boycott a film, nevermind the actor and actresses that may be for gay rights. people are to damn touchy. who cares what one person think, get on with your lives gay poeple
cuz of one person people want to boycott a film, nevermind the actor and actresses that may be for gay rights. people are to damn touchy. who cares what one person think, get on with your lives gay poeple
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8:18PM on 07/12/2013

UGH

I'm gay, and honestly, I don't care about this controversy. Card is a tool, but he's already got his money. I have no interest in this movie because I'd rather watch quality sci-fi. I didn't like the book, but I f*cking love Ford, and respect Kingsley, but nothing other than those two have grabbed my attention for this flick. I'll rent it one day and see if I'm wrong. Good for Lionsgate, to come out and be like "shut the f*ck up whiners. we're the one's making bank on teens with this flick
I'm gay, and honestly, I don't care about this controversy. Card is a tool, but he's already got his money. I have no interest in this movie because I'd rather watch quality sci-fi. I didn't like the book, but I f*cking love Ford, and respect Kingsley, but nothing other than those two have grabbed my attention for this flick. I'll rent it one day and see if I'm wrong. Good for Lionsgate, to come out and be like "shut the f*ck up whiners. we're the one's making bank on teens with this flick and we financially support the gay community so please, b*tches, get over it" which is pretty much my feeling
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7:41PM on 07/12/2013
I'll make it easier for you all: when discussing gay rights, simply replace the word "gay" or "lesbian" or "transgender" with a race/nationality of your choosing. IE, "I'm sorry, I don't agree with you being Asian. It's just my opinion though, I'm no bigot." Tell me that's ok with a straight face, and I'll either doubt your intelligence or sanity, or both.
I'll make it easier for you all: when discussing gay rights, simply replace the word "gay" or "lesbian" or "transgender" with a race/nationality of your choosing. IE, "I'm sorry, I don't agree with you being Asian. It's just my opinion though, I'm no bigot." Tell me that's ok with a straight face, and I'll either doubt your intelligence or sanity, or both.
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9:39PM on 07/12/2013
Thats a silly argument. Many people believe that the homosexual lifestyle is perverted and wrong. The inability for the gay community to accept the fact that not everyone agrees with their lifestyle is the real problem. It is a totally plausible idea to have a friend that is gay and not approve of their lifestyle.

Only true racists are the ones that go around saying I don't like you being asian, or some other nationality, they are two totally separate issues.
Thats a silly argument. Many people believe that the homosexual lifestyle is perverted and wrong. The inability for the gay community to accept the fact that not everyone agrees with their lifestyle is the real problem. It is a totally plausible idea to have a friend that is gay and not approve of their lifestyle.

Only true racists are the ones that go around saying I don't like you being asian, or some other nationality, they are two totally separate issues.
10:11PM on 07/12/2013
It's not a silly argument in the least, since someone's sexuality is as unchangeable and integral as their skin color. So telling someone you don't approve of their ethnicity is the same exact thing as saying you don't approve of their sexuality.

And don't use the term "lifestyle". It makes it sound as if this was some kind of choice that I made... Did you ever choose to be straight? Why would I choose to live as a second class citizen, barred from the rights that others freely enjoy?
It's not a silly argument in the least, since someone's sexuality is as unchangeable and integral as their skin color. So telling someone you don't approve of their ethnicity is the same exact thing as saying you don't approve of their sexuality.

And don't use the term "lifestyle". It makes it sound as if this was some kind of choice that I made... Did you ever choose to be straight? Why would I choose to live as a second class citizen, barred from the rights that others freely enjoy?
11:21PM on 07/12/2013
We're going to have to agree to disagree, I believe being gay is a person's choice and I'm not even going to get into that on here. All I'll say is that I know quite a few gay people and I get a long with most of them, what they do in their own time is none of my business and it doesn't affect my relationship with them at all. I resent, however, being called a bigot or a hate-monger by people for having a different viewpoint on the subject.
We're going to have to agree to disagree, I believe being gay is a person's choice and I'm not even going to get into that on here. All I'll say is that I know quite a few gay people and I get a long with most of them, what they do in their own time is none of my business and it doesn't affect my relationship with them at all. I resent, however, being called a bigot or a hate-monger by people for having a different viewpoint on the subject.
4:50AM on 07/13/2013
Clearly you are a biggot though
Clearly you are a biggot though
1:30PM on 07/13/2013
Agree to disagree? About a subject that I clearly have more life experience in? "I refuse to get into the debate of whether being gay is a choice"? Here, I'll make it really simple for you: IT'S NOT. No one chooses their race, or hair color, eye color, complexion, or ADHD. I didn't choose to be gay.

And you can stamp your feet, and plug up your ears, and shake your head back and forth while you argue that the sun revolves around the earth, evolution is a myth, here there be dragons, and
Agree to disagree? About a subject that I clearly have more life experience in? "I refuse to get into the debate of whether being gay is a choice"? Here, I'll make it really simple for you: IT'S NOT. No one chooses their race, or hair color, eye color, complexion, or ADHD. I didn't choose to be gay.

And you can stamp your feet, and plug up your ears, and shake your head back and forth while you argue that the sun revolves around the earth, evolution is a myth, here there be dragons, and that being gay is a choice. It'll only serve to make you look like a myopic jackass. I'll just leave this here for future reference.

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9:25PM on 07/13/2013
Why would anyone choose to be gay if it means living a life filled with discrimination, intolerance, and bigotry from people like OSC and Antarius?
Why would anyone choose to be gay if it means living a life filled with discrimination, intolerance, and bigotry from people like OSC and Antarius?
6:59AM on 07/15/2013
LOL @ Antarius -- and by your logic, let's agree that blacks aren't humans since, at one point in history some people actually believed that. Or that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

A belief isn't a truth. Especially a stupid belief. Please don't be so publicly stupid.
LOL @ Antarius -- and by your logic, let's agree that blacks aren't humans since, at one point in history some people actually believed that. Or that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

A belief isn't a truth. Especially a stupid belief. Please don't be so publicly stupid.
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6:38PM on 07/12/2013

wtf???

oops double post.
oops double post.
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6:37PM on 07/12/2013

wtf???

"it does so with positive and inspiring characters who ultimately deliver an ennobling and life-affirming message"

what the hell is that? did they read a completely different Ender's Game novel? What positive and inspiring characters? what life-affirming message?
"it does so with positive and inspiring characters who ultimately deliver an ennobling and life-affirming message"

what the hell is that? did they read a completely different Ender's Game novel? What positive and inspiring characters? what life-affirming message?
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5:50PM on 07/13/2013
What are YOU talking about? Ender's Game was the most Humanist novel I've ever read in my life. The message is almost spelled out: everyone is good, no matter how evil they seem. It's almost absurdist in the lengths it goes to prove this, and the only reason I say "almost" is because the novel is too serious to be a satire. Even the textbook sociopath turns out to be a good guy. And the sequels just take it further.

It's dumb, but you can't argue that it isn't ennobling and
What are YOU talking about? Ender's Game was the most Humanist novel I've ever read in my life. The message is almost spelled out: everyone is good, no matter how evil they seem. It's almost absurdist in the lengths it goes to prove this, and the only reason I say "almost" is because the novel is too serious to be a satire. Even the textbook sociopath turns out to be a good guy. And the sequels just take it further.

It's dumb, but you can't argue that it isn't ennobling and life-affirming.
7:03AM on 07/15/2013
It's been a while since I read this novel, and I grant you that I thought it sucked, but the message I got from it was "lying to children is ok if you do it to save the world"
It's been a while since I read this novel, and I grant you that I thought it sucked, but the message I got from it was "lying to children is ok if you do it to save the world"
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6:35PM on 07/12/2013

Bender's Gayme

I couldn't think of anything relevant or witty so I devised that shit pun.

It's all I've got.

Other than yay for gay marriage, but if anyone should be protesting this movie it should be more about it looking utterly bland.
I couldn't think of anything relevant or witty so I devised that shit pun.

It's all I've got.

Other than yay for gay marriage, but if anyone should be protesting this movie it should be more about it looking utterly bland.
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1:46PM on 07/13/2013
I love watching my feedback from this post go up and down from negative to positive to negative to positive as people try to figure out if my pun was inappropriately homophobic or just ironic and inoffensive.
I love watching my feedback from this post go up and down from negative to positive to negative to positive as people try to figure out if my pun was inappropriately homophobic or just ironic and inoffensive.
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6:20PM on 07/12/2013
I hope Orson Scott Card hangs himself. It's really not good to say things like that but I'm really intolerant to bigots.
I hope Orson Scott Card hangs himself. It's really not good to say things like that but I'm really intolerant to bigots.
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6:32PM on 07/12/2013
sorry buddy just cuz he has an opinion doesn't make him bigot because it is different from yours.
sorry buddy just cuz he has an opinion doesn't make him bigot because it is different from yours.
9:03PM on 07/12/2013
thank you thunderstorm. everyone is entitled to their opinion. why does it matter.
thank you thunderstorm. everyone is entitled to their opinion. why does it matter.
4:54AM on 07/13/2013
Discriminating against someone who is different from you, say by actively trying to keep them from being able to get married, well thats just a textbook bigot.
Discriminating against someone who is different from you, say by actively trying to keep them from being able to get married, well thats just a textbook bigot.
7:20AM on 07/13/2013
So, for you, democracy is being free to have any opinion... As long as it's the same as yours ? So, YOU are a bigot AND hypocrite as well. I'm straight and pro gay marriage btw.
So, for you, democracy is being free to have any opinion... As long as it's the same as yours ? So, YOU are a bigot AND hypocrite as well. I'm straight and pro gay marriage btw.
6:17PM on 07/12/2013
I'm so tired of hearing everyone bitch about Grown Ups 2 I just bought three tickets to support it.
I'm so tired of hearing everyone bitch about Grown Ups 2 I just bought three tickets to support it.
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6:23PM on 07/12/2013
Then you sir are not welcome here ;)
Then you sir are not welcome here ;)
6:06PM on 07/12/2013
Funny, I came to Joblo half seriously thinking "Hmm what article can we commenters be accused of being homophobes/racist today" and this is the first article I see. IT JUST WONT DIE!
Funny, I came to Joblo half seriously thinking "Hmm what article can we commenters be accused of being homophobes/racist today" and this is the first article I see. IT JUST WONT DIE!
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6:01PM on 07/12/2013
Every time I see the acronym LGBT, my dyslexia comically changes it to BLT, and then I get hungry.
Every time I see the acronym LGBT, my dyslexia comically changes it to BLT, and then I get hungry.
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6:32PM on 07/12/2013
hahahahaha
hahahahaha
8:13PM on 07/12/2013
Soooo, I'm a gay dude and I do that too (turning LGBT into BLT). Bacon is essential to life, in fact, I'd rather be identified as a bacon lover than as a gay dude (despite my annoyingly gay icon, but dang, to guys one gun? that's hot, not as hot as bacon...)
Soooo, I'm a gay dude and I do that too (turning LGBT into BLT). Bacon is essential to life, in fact, I'd rather be identified as a bacon lover than as a gay dude (despite my annoyingly gay icon, but dang, to guys one gun? that's hot, not as hot as bacon...)
11:47AM on 07/13/2013
I'm the 'B' in LGBT, but I also think of a 'BLT' sandwich when I see the acronym.
I'm the 'B' in LGBT, but I also think of a 'BLT' sandwich when I see the acronym.
7:04AM on 07/15/2013
LOL. Best comment on this thread :)
LOL. Best comment on this thread :)
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