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Dark Knight vs Titanic | Movie News

Just last week, some people were actually saying that THE DARK KNIGHT was overhyped or that it wouldn't live up to expectations, but what a difference one week makes. As of this writing, only 6 days after its initial release, KNIGHT has already made over $222M in North American alone, beating BATMAN BEGINS' entire domestic run from 2005 ($205M). The film will most likely become the highest-grossing movie of the year any day now, and continues to break records this week, becoming the film to reach the $200M the fastest of all-time (it took only 5 days to reach that mark...the previous record-holder was PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 3, which hit that mark in 8 days).
Pundits (that's schmucks like us) are predicting that by the end of next weekend, THE DARK KNIGHT will have grossed over $300M in its first 10 days of release, which again, would break the previous record of 16 days, held by that PIRATES flick. More impressive is that it took INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THOSE CRAZY MONKEYS 39 full days before it reached the $300M plateau, and IRON MAN...48 days. All that to say...this film is a-smoking!!!
So let's start predicting whether or not you believe that it will beat the highest grossing movie of all-time, TITANIC, which has held the record since 1997 with a touch over $600M. I personally don't think that THE DARK KNIGHT would be able to maintain this same rhythm all the way toward that record, but then again, you never know. It's to note that TITANIC actually started somewhat "slowly" back in its opening weekend, with only $28M in its first three days of release (compared to $158M for TDK). In fact, it took TITANIC 25 full days to reach the $200M -- and remember, it took THE DARK KNIGHT only 6 days to reach that!
The main difference between the 2 films, of course, is that TITANIC had "legs" and "legs" and "legs" (speaking of legs, CHECK THIS SHIT OUT). The James Cameron film actually spent 15 consecutive weeks at the #1 spot at one point. I repeat: it spent close to 4 months in the #1 spot back in 1997! The movie marketplace isn't the same as it was back in 1997 either, with major movies coming out every week, including 2 more this coming weekend and then a bunch more in August.
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9:57AM on 08/17/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile
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HAHA YEAH! That was awesome, dude. I laughed much! Deserved some recognition.
HAHA YEAH! That was awesome, dude. I laughed much! Deserved some recognition.
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TITANIC ran constantly in theaters from December 18, 1997 straight through to August 29, 1998 in roughly 40% of all cinemas. That's 8+ months. That alone is a remarkable feat, not matched since maybe the 1960s. THE DARK KNIGHT will run until the middle of September at the latest - as WB will want it on DVD
TITANIC ran constantly in theaters from December 18, 1997 straight through to August 29, 1998 in roughly 40% of all cinemas. That's 8+ months. That alone is a remarkable feat, not matched since maybe the 1960s. THE DARK KNIGHT will run until the middle of September at the latest - as WB will want it on DVD as the earliest convenience so they can rake in $20 vs. $10.
As has been mentioned, a large portion of TITANIC's business was repeat business amongst teenage girls. Teenage girls have financial liquidity like nobody's business. That's just a simple fact. Has been since there's been a consumerist society. Teenage girls are spoiled. Unfortunately, there is nothing in THE DARK KNIGHT for teenage girls, which makes that market segment worthless to WB.
The second last factor was, despite the Winslet boobies, TITANIC was for the most part a family friendly picture. It was accessible to everyone. Can you honestly take your grandmother to THE DARK KNIGHT?
Finally, THE DARK KNIGHT is a comic book film - no matter how hard it tries to be something else. If you're not agreeable to men in capes, you're most likely not going to see this movie. That's $10 less for the Warner Brothers (and their sister Dot). No matter how much hype and marketing goes on, you can't attract those dollars.
11:30AM on 07/25/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile
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Only time will tell.
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The Joker is the draw as was Jack in Titanic. We'll truly see wzup. I want Batman to do it cause it will be a foot stamp in Hollywood history on how to start treating the medium with more brains than brawn. It already has taken Hollywood in the right direction and actually made a good movie be the top seller of all time. Titanic was good too, but damn this is a comic book guy...LOL, and it's made an important step in the rigth direction. Batman was created in the great depression era and was a key thing to giving hope to the youth which Nolan really captured. 70 years or so later...He's back to do it again. Yes we are in a recession, don't get it twisted.
Gas to even get to the movies aint the same as before either. We can't be using money like that these days. I contributed though with my three viewings. Still got IMAX to go
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11:26PM on 07/24/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I myself did see it twice.
I myself did see it twice.
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I for one, don't think that The Dark Knight will have the legs to beat Titanic, I don't think anything ever will. I do though, notice a phenomenon when I see one.. and this
I for one, don't think that The Dark Knight will have the legs to beat Titanic, I don't think anything ever will. I do though, notice a phenomenon when I see one.. and this movie.. is A PHENOMENON. I haven't seen something like this since, well, ever. Not just hype, I've seen that a million times. I'm talking about a movie so good that people saw it twice in one weekend. A LOT OF PEOPLE. I've talked to countless of couples, groups of guys, and groups of girls, that have seen this movie twice in one weekend, or are planning on seeing it again, maybe even three times. I have never in my entire 21 year history on this planet seen something like this. Who knows how well it will do.
This movie just means THAT MUCH to some people. Whether it's because they're Batman fans, Heath Ledger fans, or just plain old movie fans looking for something fresh and gorgeous, well, this is the ripest thing out there right now. And it probably will be for the next couple of months. Amen to Nolan and Co., they've given us something we've been missing for a while.
10:58PM on 07/24/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile
i think you just need to calm down a bit. no one around here is saying
i think you just need to calm down a bit. no one around here is saying this is the #1 film of all time, it will break every record known to man, it will win 15 Oscars easy, that Heath Ledger is the greatest actor the world has ever known, that TDK 20 years from now will be regarded as the turning point in human civilization.
do fans like the fact that it breaking records, yes, do fans like the fact that it is the #1 movie on imdb for now, yes, but to call people immature because of this is naive. these fans are nto little children running around screaming " Go see the dark knight" in the TDK pajamas. they are fans excited that a movie they like, it getting such praise, so they get caught up in the fame
oh, and i read that piece earlier today, though it is mostly asking whether or not we have reached a peak in superhero movies, he centers around what he perceives as the conventions and parameters of the genre. but he said it himself, that EVERY genre has conventions it usually follows, but that doesnt mean people would get bored of it. people always find ways to turn these conventions on their head, and further we get into this Hero Movie craze, the more someone is going to come up with fresh ideas, just look at all the graphic novels being adapted nowadays. but if A.O Scott was only talking about the mainstay of american comics ( aka the Batmans, Supermans, of the comic world) then yes, you can only go so far with a limited number of characters. i dont see them becoming a James Bond type franchise.
10:14PM on 07/24/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile
And, for the record, I never even saw Titanic, so it's not about defending the film. It's about good sense and understanding the business.
It's about not counting your Jokers
And, for the record, I never even saw Titanic, so it's not about defending the film. It's about good sense and understanding the business.
It's about not counting your Jokers before they hatch. It's about talking back to often juvenile fans who take the film all too seriously and just say OMGWTFBBQ!!!11!!
But carry on. Buy your ten DVDs and see it ten more times. But, um, while you're at it, read A.O. Scott's piece, too. Balance: even though the Joker doesn't have it, you can.
And to say that it has appeal because of Ledger's death is rather creepy, imo, but go for it. One dead actor equals a great film? I'd hate for that to be the barometer of greatness.
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The death of Ledger makes this have instant crossover appeal. When i saw the film there were almost as many girls there as boys.
The death of Ledger makes this have instant crossover appeal. When i saw the film there were almost as many girls there as boys.
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But wasn't Titanic out for like 6 months in the theatres? I'm sure if Dark Knight stayed out that long it could. At least we will know that it will be the top selling DVD of all time...I'm buying 5 just to make sure!
But wasn't Titanic out for like 6 months in the theatres? I'm sure if Dark Knight stayed out that long it could. At least we will know that it will be the top selling DVD of all time...I'm buying 5 just to make sure!
9:03PM on 07/24/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Titanic is easily the most overhyped, overrated film of all time. 3 hours of my life I'll never get back.
As for the point of the conversation, TDK can't overtake Titanic, if only because there's far more heart-sick women in the world than
Titanic is easily the most overhyped, overrated film of all time. 3 hours of my life I'll never get back.
As for the point of the conversation, TDK can't overtake Titanic, if only because there's far more heart-sick women in the world than lonely fanboys.
Extra Tidbit: Why did I marry my wife? Because she hated Titanic too.
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The notion--the real market notion--that TDK will become the best film EVAR and that it will garner Oscar after Oscar and a bagillllion dollars and the love of allll in the land is, well, fucking nuts.
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The notion--the real market notion--that TDK will become the best film EVAR and that it will garner Oscar after Oscar and a bagillllion dollars and the love of allll in the land is, well, fucking nuts.
It's clearly breaking records. It's liked by critics. But it does not have crossover appeal the way that Titanic did, and it does not have the scale of that film. It has a far reach, but not as far as some would like, I guess.
I wish people would get a grip on this site, though I love what BahWeep and a few others say here. I mean, it's great. It's a good film. Epic even. But it's not the second coming of Christ, for Christ's sake. It's a well done superhero flick. A genre pic. It will be remembered, yes. But it will fall off, too. Percentage-wise, it will not--cannot--hold, and number one will not always be TDK.
Sorry to kill the hearts of fanbois, but cinema has survived before and will flourish after, and the flick, while a significant blip on the radar of modern moviedom, is just that: a blip. The entire picture, the full screen, is so bright that it will eclipse even this, yes, even this.
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Nolan might have made a great movie, but his trilogy is going right down the crapper.
No, TDK will not beat Titanic - it's most
Nolan might have made a great movie, but his trilogy is going right down the crapper.
No, TDK will not beat Titanic - it's most likely going to fall pretty hard after this weekend and the next(Mummy looks kick-ass to be honest)
6:43PM on 07/24/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Anyhow, TDK will not overtake Titanic, because let's face it, Titanic was this strange freak of nature/perfect storm. That type of success is practically unheard of, and no doubt harder to achieve in this day and age (think ticket prices, market, etc.).
Besides, I honestly hope TDK doesn't come close
Anyhow, TDK will not overtake Titanic, because let's face it, Titanic was this strange freak of nature/perfect storm. That type of success is practically unheard of, and no doubt harder to achieve in this day and age (think ticket prices, market, etc.).
Besides, I honestly hope TDK doesn't come close (I know it won't) to the top spot because despite being in wide release for less than two weeks, it has easily become one of the most overrated films of the last decade.
Bold statement? Maybe.
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TITANIC would be 6th on that chart, and the highest movie since the dawn of the $10 movie ticket would be SHREK 2 at 29th.
GWTW made $198 million, with $189m of that back in its original 1939 run. That's over 200 million admissions, compared to 129 mil for TITANIC. In
TITANIC would be 6th on that chart, and the highest movie since the dawn of the $10 movie ticket would be SHREK 2 at 29th.
GWTW made $198 million, with $189m of that back in its original 1939 run. That's over 200 million admissions, compared to 129 mil for TITANIC. In order for The Dark Knight to be seen by that many people, even on a conservative scale it'd need to make at least $1.4 billion in America alone, if not more.
Either way, in today's society of $10+ movie tickets and a major movie out every weekend, there's just no way a film can have those "legs" that Titanic and films like E.T. (which was #1 for about 20 non-consecutive weeks thru most of 1982) had these days.
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Titanic came out in December when no other big films were around and there's a ton more films with wide appeal coming out this summer.
I think TDK will possibly make over 500 million
Titanic came out in December when no other big films were around and there's a ton more films with wide appeal coming out this summer.
I think TDK will possibly make over 500 million and it's pretty much a lock for 2nd biggest grosser. No movie has gotten even 100 million close to Titanic. It's something we'll never see again.
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As much as I hope TDK beats it, I really doubt it will.
As much as I hope TDK beats it, I really doubt it will.
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