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David Goyer discusses whether DC is planning a cohesive cinematic universe

04.08.2014

Ever since MAN OF STEEL ushered in the new DC cinematic universe, we have all been anticipating that a grand scale plan would be put in place like what Marvel has done. But, DC is working from a different starting point than Marvel did and yet we continue to assume that there will be multiple standalone superhero movies followed by a JUSTICE LEAGUE mega-movie the same way everything led to an AVENGERS feature. But, we haven't stopped to ask if that was the plan.

IGN decided to ask the man in charge of organizing Warner Bros and their DC feature properties about what the plan is for a unified movie universe.

“I mean, it's too early. I know that Warner Bros. would love to make their universe more cohesive. There have been a lot of general conversations about that, but it's really, really early. I'm not sure. Marvel has had enormous success, but I'm not sure that everybody should try to emulate them either. It's just been vague conversations so far.”

The question then becomes whether Warner Bros is planning to unite their big screen features, which seems likely with Ben Affleck as Batman and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman in BATMAN VS SUPERMAN as well as Dwayne Johnson's committal to DC in an unspecified superhero role, or if they also want to pull their television properties into that canon as well.

Currently, The CW airs the fan favorite series ARROW and plans to launch THE FLASH in the Fall. At that time, Fox will also begin airing the James Gordon-centric Batman origin series GOTHAM. Marvel has shown the mix between TV and theater can work with AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D., so will DC follow suit? It has always seemed that DC has done better on TV than Marvel, so could they use that to their advantage here?

I think DC is going to do whatever they can to avoid comparison to Marvel, but they would be foolish not to take into consideration what has made Disney's acquisition such a success. DC also holds the extra bonus that all of their characters fall under one studio rather than all over the place like Marvel. Stay tuned as we await more as production ramps up on BATMAN VS SUPERMAN, slated for May 6, 2016.

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11:15PM on 04/08/2014

WTF?

How is it too early to tell if WB/DC wants a cohesive universe? They are making a fucking Batman vs Superman movie that has Wonder Woman in it!!!

This is why Man of Steel sucked, no one at WB/DC seems to be on the same page for anything.
How is it too early to tell if WB/DC wants a cohesive universe? They are making a fucking Batman vs Superman movie that has Wonder Woman in it!!!

This is why Man of Steel sucked, no one at WB/DC seems to be on the same page for anything.
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9:38PM on 04/08/2014

I am old enough to remember

It used to be DC that had its act together. Warner Brothers, Richard Donner and Tim Burton got Superman and Batman right back in the 70s and 80s. Marvel tried to copy their success in the late 80s and early 90s with movies about the Punisher and Captain America but all they could make was garbage. On the TV front, things were a bit more balanced with Wonder Woman and the Hulk both having successful four-year runs in the seventies but then in the late eighties and mid nineties DC had success
It used to be DC that had its act together. Warner Brothers, Richard Donner and Tim Burton got Superman and Batman right back in the 70s and 80s. Marvel tried to copy their success in the late 80s and early 90s with movies about the Punisher and Captain America but all they could make was garbage. On the TV front, things were a bit more balanced with Wonder Woman and the Hulk both having successful four-year runs in the seventies but then in the late eighties and mid nineties DC had success with both Superboy and Lois and Clark each lasting four years. The biggest TV success so far has been DC's Smallville which lasted ten years and which has now been followed up with Arrow and Flash. Marvel's first success was Blade which was quickly followed by X-Men and Spiderman. Marvel's other movies (Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider and Hulk) weren't as successful and they drew comparison's to DC's Supergirl, Steel, Catwoman and Green Lantern. It wasn't until Iron Man came out that people realized that Marvel could take storylines directly from the comics and film them and it could work: up until that point it was assumed that they would have to make changes so that the movies would appeal to bigger audiences. And now, suddenly, DC is perceived as having to catch up to Marvel when for decades it was Marvel trying to catch up with DC. Marvel is very lucky in that Ari Arad and Kevin Feige were able to make the right decisions regarding tone while Warners made mistakes early on when they fired Donner and Burton on Superman and Batman and brought in Lester and Schumaker.

As for Goyer, people here tend to forget that he wrote Blade back in 1998. He also wrote Blade II, Blade Trinity, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance and Man of Steel. He's had more successes over the past 16 years than failures. As much as people might want to give Nolan all the credit for the Dark Knight Trilogy, Nolan didn't know very much about Batman and he even said he would never do Robin or Catwoman before The Dark Knight Rises came out and we got John Blake and Selina Kyle. People say that he is no good as a director or producer but Geoff Johns seems to have the same problem: people loved what Geoff Johns did with Superman, the Flash and Green Lantern in the comics but then Geoff Johns' first movie production credit was for the Green Lantern movie which was not well received at all. It seems that DC has good writers with Goyer and Johns and good directors with Nolan and Snyder but they need a plan of action for the next 14 years: Marvel has one and DC still hasn't figured theirs out yet.
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8:41AM on 04/09/2014
I agree. But I also think WB/DC have more plans than we know right now and we'll get a big announcement at SDCC this year. They have been very good at keeping their secrets. The Batman/Superman film took everyone by surprise, we didn't see it coming. We didn't see the casting coming either. Plus with DC's offices moving to LA, there is way more going on then we know I think. Marvel has way more leaks, we pretty much know the casting way before it's officially announced, we know what the films
I agree. But I also think WB/DC have more plans than we know right now and we'll get a big announcement at SDCC this year. They have been very good at keeping their secrets. The Batman/Superman film took everyone by surprise, we didn't see it coming. We didn't see the casting coming either. Plus with DC's offices moving to LA, there is way more going on then we know I think. Marvel has way more leaks, we pretty much know the casting way before it's officially announced, we know what the films will be about....there is really no secrets. DC...who the hell knows what they have going on...lol The only time we know something is when it's announced.
6:28AM on 04/09/2014

Wanna see JLA ??????


Watch The Lego Movie !!!!!!!!


Watch The Lego Movie !!!!!!!!

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9:34PM on 04/08/2014
Just give me a good superhero movie. It would be nice to have a shared Universe but, honestly, Batman Returns is still my favorite superhero film of all time and it wasn't a part of some expanded Universe. Just tell me a good story and make the characters worthwhile.
Just give me a good superhero movie. It would be nice to have a shared Universe but, honestly, Batman Returns is still my favorite superhero film of all time and it wasn't a part of some expanded Universe. Just tell me a good story and make the characters worthwhile.
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9:37PM on 04/08/2014
You definitely have a point. Part of me would honestly have no problem if DC just skipped all of the solo films and just had all the characters appear for a Justice League film and did the solo films after. Sort of like Watchmen. The film was great even though we really knew nothing about the characters beforehand.
You definitely have a point. Part of me would honestly have no problem if DC just skipped all of the solo films and just had all the characters appear for a Justice League film and did the solo films after. Sort of like Watchmen. The film was great even though we really knew nothing about the characters beforehand.
6:05PM on 04/08/2014
DC characters are far more interesting than Marvel's (to me). I just hope they take their time with each, put some of the comic book/ cartoonish feel back in to them (forget the Nolan approach - it's boring), and they don't annoyingly pop out a new film every 3 months and flood the superhero market like Marvel has.
DC characters are far more interesting than Marvel's (to me). I just hope they take their time with each, put some of the comic book/ cartoonish feel back in to them (forget the Nolan approach - it's boring), and they don't annoyingly pop out a new film every 3 months and flood the superhero market like Marvel has.
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6:49PM on 04/08/2014
Butt-hurt DC fanboy post right here folks.
Butt-hurt DC fanboy post right here folks.
9:41PM on 04/08/2014
It's ok dude, one day you'll have a DC movie you can love and hold
It's ok dude, one day you'll have a DC movie you can love and hold
9:46PM on 04/08/2014
Some people have different opinions, so that makes him a "butt hurt DC Fanboy" ? Weird
Some people have different opinions, so that makes him a "butt hurt DC Fanboy" ? Weird
6:51AM on 04/09/2014

F*ck a cohesive Universe

My problem with the Marvel movies IS the cohesive Universe. They flood the market with these same looking movies and plan ahead for 20 years. I'm really getting tired of it. It's much more interesting to get different talented directors with unique styles (e.g. Del Toro, Burton, Fincher, Aronofsky) and let them adapt their vision.
That is the cool thing about the Batman-franchise. You never know what comes next...
My problem with the Marvel movies IS the cohesive Universe. They flood the market with these same looking movies and plan ahead for 20 years. I'm really getting tired of it. It's much more interesting to get different talented directors with unique styles (e.g. Del Toro, Burton, Fincher, Aronofsky) and let them adapt their vision.
That is the cool thing about the Batman-franchise. You never know what comes next...
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8:14AM on 04/09/2014
I Agree 100%
I Agree 100%
11:56AM on 04/09/2014
How about a cohesive universe with different stylistic approaches? Dont get me wrong, I defend DC against all the Marvel fan boy haters, which you can probably tell from my other posts. But I have loved the Captain America movies specifically for that reason. To me, the Iron Mans, Thors, Avengers, etc. have the same stylistic approach for the most part. But the pulpy take on the first Cap, and then the political spy thriller take on the second were both great. Then they were able to still
How about a cohesive universe with different stylistic approaches? Dont get me wrong, I defend DC against all the Marvel fan boy haters, which you can probably tell from my other posts. But I have loved the Captain America movies specifically for that reason. To me, the Iron Mans, Thors, Avengers, etc. have the same stylistic approach for the most part. But the pulpy take on the first Cap, and then the political spy thriller take on the second were both great. Then they were able to still use the same Cap in the Avengers and tie in the movies to the rest of the Marvel Universe.
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10:18PM on 04/08/2014

DC should do their own thing

I read awhile back that DC wouldn't be doing build-up films leading to an ensamble cast like Marvel and the Avengers, but rather do films where the different characters of DC would always be around in the different characters' movies. If there was a crisis where green lantern would need to come help in a batman movie, or flash in a martin manhunter movie, it would just happen. The world would be together with the super heroes intertwined within one another so-to-speak, and it would make for
I read awhile back that DC wouldn't be doing build-up films leading to an ensamble cast like Marvel and the Avengers, but rather do films where the different characters of DC would always be around in the different characters' movies. If there was a crisis where green lantern would need to come help in a batman movie, or flash in a martin manhunter movie, it would just happen. The world would be together with the super heroes intertwined within one another so-to-speak, and it would make for epic surprises for movie goers not knowing who would show up.
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5:16PM on 04/08/2014

Jesus Christ

I will have a mark on my face for days after that face palm.
"Not sure if everyone should emulate (Marvel's) plan?" ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? That's 100% what you should do. You mean to tell me putting every single DC character into Batman vs. Superman ISN'T to set up a cohesive DC cinematic universe? What the fuck are they doing then?
I will have a mark on my face for days after that face palm.
"Not sure if everyone should emulate (Marvel's) plan?" ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? That's 100% what you should do. You mean to tell me putting every single DC character into Batman vs. Superman ISN'T to set up a cohesive DC cinematic universe? What the fuck are they doing then?
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5:09PM on 04/08/2014
Goyer needs to start with a cohesive movie before he starts discussing cohesive universes.
Goyer needs to start with a cohesive movie before he starts discussing cohesive universes.
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6:58PM on 04/10/2014
I think DC should just forget about expanding the movie universe with multiple titles for now. Just focus on Batman Vs Superman, then go for a full on JLA movie. if a JLA movie is successful, spinning off to individual titles will be a whole lot easier. Right now, I don't want to wait for twenty mediocre DC movies just to finally see Superman vs. Darkseid.
I think DC should just forget about expanding the movie universe with multiple titles for now. Just focus on Batman Vs Superman, then go for a full on JLA movie. if a JLA movie is successful, spinning off to individual titles will be a whole lot easier. Right now, I don't want to wait for twenty mediocre DC movies just to finally see Superman vs. Darkseid.
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12:03PM on 04/09/2014

Just my opinion

Heres what I think of the whole Marvel/DC films - Marvel is making films that everybody can go see. Not saying DC isn't but Marvel has a way to making their films appeal to everyone. My mother (she's 57) doesn't go to movies much at all, she generally waits til they hit DVD/Blu Ray, but the last couple times she actually went to a theater has been Marvel films (Thor 2 & Capt America TWS). She isn't all that excited to see Batman or Superman cuz they are a bit more serious, which is not a bad
Heres what I think of the whole Marvel/DC films - Marvel is making films that everybody can go see. Not saying DC isn't but Marvel has a way to making their films appeal to everyone. My mother (she's 57) doesn't go to movies much at all, she generally waits til they hit DVD/Blu Ray, but the last couple times she actually went to a theater has been Marvel films (Thor 2 & Capt America TWS). She isn't all that excited to see Batman or Superman cuz they are a bit more serious, which is not a bad thing, but it tends to put some people off cuz they seem too serious or dark. I been reading that people think all the Marvel films are the same, well apparently what Marvel is doing is working, its bringing in money, which is what Hollywood is about most times, its making new fans of these characters that was once considered childish. DC has the potential, but needs to figure out what they want outta their properity. Batman and Superman can't be the only characters that get the big screen treatment.
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4:01AM on 04/09/2014
This is so stupid. It sounds like a politician answer where they are stalling or changing the subject bc they don't know the answer. DC comics have been cross over since prolly forever. Marvel finally did it. I remember being so excited at the end if IM1. And it was huge. All of their movies have been, and 2 of them have been pretty bad. I'd say worse than Green Lantern if not at least equal. But that's besides the point. The comics always do it, they have JLA comics, Marvel outlined
This is so stupid. It sounds like a politician answer where they are stalling or changing the subject bc they don't know the answer. DC comics have been cross over since prolly forever. Marvel finally did it. I remember being so excited at the end if IM1. And it was huge. All of their movies have been, and 2 of them have been pretty bad. I'd say worse than Green Lantern if not at least equal. But that's besides the point. The comics always do it, they have JLA comics, Marvel outlined NOW ONLY HOW TO DO IT, but that it's incredibly profitable. Why in the fuck would they not wanna do the same? That's absolutely ridiculous. Who cares if ppl say they are copying off Marvel. DC has enough great characters, that as long as they make good movies, that's all that matters. With all the BvsS roles it seems they are going that way, and they can just explore SOOOO many possibilities like their version of the GOTG & Thanos. If they don't, they'd be losing so much $. Really, even if there films are below average, as long as it isn't the first 2 or so, they'll still make a ton of money. It just makes absolutely no sense.
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4:16AM on 04/09/2014
I mean I know it depends on who he's gonna play (it may not mesh 100% well if he's lobo), but for the most part, whoever the rock ends up playing, who wouldn't AT THE LEAST be pretty excited to watch him fight and/or team up with Batman. Same with Supes. And that goes the same with the other actors they cast. They'll really have to focus on that. It'll be hard to top marvel. But it's possible on some choices. And also on unique directors. It's prolly impossible to do better at Marvel with
I mean I know it depends on who he's gonna play (it may not mesh 100% well if he's lobo), but for the most part, whoever the rock ends up playing, who wouldn't AT THE LEAST be pretty excited to watch him fight and/or team up with Batman. Same with Supes. And that goes the same with the other actors they cast. They'll really have to focus on that. It'll be hard to top marvel. But it's possible on some choices. And also on unique directors. It's prolly impossible to do better at Marvel with that. I'm afraid they'll get a lot more studio directors like Martin Campbell. They just need to go find the directors of the best "indie/small-budget" movies where the director's style is really obvious. Bring them all in for meetings and say these are the movies/characters we are planning to start off with. We love your work. We thought maybe character X and Y would be good for u, but what do u think? What interests you? Do u have a personal connection to a character u use to read? We just want to work with you. And I know y'all can come up with a dozen of those directors in easily 5 mins
1:29AM on 04/09/2014
It might be too late. As a big DC fan, hearing news like this hurts at least a little. I really think they should try roping in Guillermo del Toro as their Whedon-esque shepherd for the universe, instead of Goyer. I definitely don't think Goyer is as bad as people say he is, but he's certainly had his misses and I don't see him as a proper overseer for the DC flicks going forward.
It might be too late. As a big DC fan, hearing news like this hurts at least a little. I really think they should try roping in Guillermo del Toro as their Whedon-esque shepherd for the universe, instead of Goyer. I definitely don't think Goyer is as bad as people say he is, but he's certainly had his misses and I don't see him as a proper overseer for the DC flicks going forward.
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3:51AM on 04/09/2014
I love Guillermo, and I don't think Goyer is really talented at all. With that said, I don't think Guillermo is right for this. He's got a great vision, but I'd be a little worried that he'd try to make all the DC characters fit his style, and I don't want that. I'd rather him work on more original stuff (maybe direct a DC movie or two though). Also, I know Whedon is a big player, but it's really Kevin Feige and his 6-8 man team that really run the Marvel continuity. There was just
I love Guillermo, and I don't think Goyer is really talented at all. With that said, I don't think Guillermo is right for this. He's got a great vision, but I'd be a little worried that he'd try to make all the DC characters fit his style, and I don't want that. I'd rather him work on more original stuff (maybe direct a DC movie or two though). Also, I know Whedon is a big player, but it's really Kevin Feige and his 6-8 man team that really run the Marvel continuity. There was just recently an article on her of a Feige interview of how he/they have it planned out till like 2030ish. Whedon isn't that high up. And as far as I understand it, neither is Goyer. He has just been a part of creating some of the characters. But Goyer should go period. I need to look up what Feige use to do before the Marvel movies (anybody know?). Has he always just been in film production. DC is really kind of fd. Maybe Nolan, but he'd never do it, and I don't think his style would work well for many of the other characters. Other than that I would say bring up Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Paul Dini, or even someone newer like Scott Snyder. I know some of them are hit and miss. If Paul Dini knew sufficient knowledge ab other non-batman characters I'd pick him immediately. But the real problem is, the new 52 comics are now incredibly fucked. They can't even do that right. There's no organization, the stories aren't crossing over, if they make sense, a lot of writer's are getting fired if not quitting. It's chaos there. I've never done either, but I think it would be a little bit easier and more simple bc of less ppl and actors to have 4 meetings a year and get the overall DC timeline figured out - either distributed, or the writer's all contribute and figure out how everything is going forward. I would think there is just a lot less ppl to have to manage. If they can't accomplish that, I don't see how they can do it with their film universe.
8:33AM on 04/09/2014
They need Bruce Timm to do this. He already has with the animated universe.
They need Bruce Timm to do this. He already has with the animated universe.
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9:22PM on 04/08/2014

Just wondering

Has everyone read the full interview before spewing hate?

Goyer had a point. You don't need to do shared universe. Especially since, according to goyer, the WB execs only had vague conversations. That's just asking for trouble.

I know every comic fan ,whether dc or marvel, wants to see The justice league, but it seems that the execs up top have no clue, which is what goyer is eluding to
Has everyone read the full interview before spewing hate?

Goyer had a point. You don't need to do shared universe. Especially since, according to goyer, the WB execs only had vague conversations. That's just asking for trouble.

I know every comic fan ,whether dc or marvel, wants to see The justice league, but it seems that the execs up top have no clue, which is what goyer is eluding to
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7:59PM on 04/08/2014
Go home Goyer, you're drunk.

I really hope DC knows what they are doing with their films and their new superhero universe. Us DC fans have waited too long for a coherent universe that matches the brilliance of Marvel.
Go home Goyer, you're drunk.

I really hope DC knows what they are doing with their films and their new superhero universe. Us DC fans have waited too long for a coherent universe that matches the brilliance of Marvel.
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5:35PM on 04/08/2014
What does it say that the guy WB hired to shepherd the DC movies required a complete rewrite of his script for Batman and Superman? It shows a great faith in his abilities when someone else is brought in to fix his script, and considering it was Chris Terrio, Oscar winning writer for Argo, it wouldn't surprise me if Ben Affleck was unimpressed by the script and suggested the rewrite. Does WB have any idea of what they're doing?
What does it say that the guy WB hired to shepherd the DC movies required a complete rewrite of his script for Batman and Superman? It shows a great faith in his abilities when someone else is brought in to fix his script, and considering it was Chris Terrio, Oscar winning writer for Argo, it wouldn't surprise me if Ben Affleck was unimpressed by the script and suggested the rewrite. Does WB have any idea of what they're doing?
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5:13PM on 04/08/2014

Piss on my head, ask me if it's raining

Goyer,

I don't know if you are truly trying to surprise us (which you won't) by saying this now and going through with it in the end, or if you are just naive enough to think we don't see that WB has absolutely no clue as to what to do with any character other than Batman (sure, you made Man of Steel, but that wasn't really a Superman movie). You co-opted the Nolan fame and turned it into "something" at WB regarding the DC characters, which tells me all I need to know about the geriatric
Goyer,

I don't know if you are truly trying to surprise us (which you won't) by saying this now and going through with it in the end, or if you are just naive enough to think we don't see that WB has absolutely no clue as to what to do with any character other than Batman (sure, you made Man of Steel, but that wasn't really a Superman movie). You co-opted the Nolan fame and turned it into "something" at WB regarding the DC characters, which tells me all I need to know about the geriatric board running that studio. Their finger couldn't be further from the pulse of comic book movies if they tried; they saw Dark Knight rake in billions and said, "every movie must be like this, even if the character is not!"

So thanks Goyer, either you think us too stupid to see behind your attempts to cover it up, or you have confirmed that you and the brass at WB don't have a single f*cking clue what they are doing pertaining to DC properties. When they announce Dwayne Johnson as Mr. Myxlplyx, the writing will be on the wall.

Good day sir.....
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9:28PM on 04/08/2014
So what's a Superman Movie then? Since obviously you know it all
So what's a Superman Movie then? Since obviously you know it all
11:52PM on 04/08/2014
I agree with zzzaac. How is Man of Steel not a Superman film? It was light years ahead of Superman Returns and Cavill made a much better Superman then Routh.
I agree with zzzaac. How is Man of Steel not a Superman film? It was light years ahead of Superman Returns and Cavill made a much better Superman then Routh.
12:46AM on 04/09/2014
Yes, I am glad from all that you gleaned I am a know it all instead of just seeing my rant as what it was for, which was a rant on someone treating fans like idiots. Your cookie is in the mail.

And if it flies like a Superman and fights like a Superman, it has to be a Superman right? In my mind (and since comprehension on this site is at an all time low apparently, let me reiterate the "my mind" part), it is not Superman. Superman is not Batman, he is not a dark character. He has dark
Yes, I am glad from all that you gleaned I am a know it all instead of just seeing my rant as what it was for, which was a rant on someone treating fans like idiots. Your cookie is in the mail.

And if it flies like a Superman and fights like a Superman, it has to be a Superman right? In my mind (and since comprehension on this site is at an all time low apparently, let me reiterate the "my mind" part), it is not Superman. Superman is not Batman, he is not a dark character. He has dark villains and his story may be dark, but he is a symbol of hope. Was anything about that movie hopeful? It was depressing. A fun, action filled movie I will freely admit, but it was not Superman.

That's why Marvel is kicking DC's ass in every form and fashion on the big screen; they have a basic understanding of who their characters are and what they would and would not do at the fundamental level. WB does not give a flying fuck, which was never more evident than with their Green Lantern monstrosity. You could even go further with their Jonah Hex's and Constantine efforts, which range from downright terrible to just misguided.

So, while I never claimed to know it all (apparently you can't just go on a rant anymore against holy father Goyer without the jizzmoppers coming out in succession), I would think a man who has been in the business far longer than me would understand how to talk to the audience for which he makes the majority of his films. I was deeply misguided in that train of thought.
4:37PM on 04/08/2014

I smell BS...

"Vague conversations" my ass. You're telling me that in the wake of Marvel's continued campaign for cinematic domination ($96 million for Cap 2's opening weekend) that WB and DC think it's "too early" to tell if they want a cohesive cinematic universe??!

Either that's total bullshit, or DC might as well throw in the towel now and get it over with.
"Vague conversations" my ass. You're telling me that in the wake of Marvel's continued campaign for cinematic domination ($96 million for Cap 2's opening weekend) that WB and DC think it's "too early" to tell if they want a cohesive cinematic universe??!

Either that's total bullshit, or DC might as well throw in the towel now and get it over with.
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4:25PM on 04/08/2014

Right....

Because having a, what did he call it, cohesive cinematic universe is an incredibly bad idea for the fans you are trying to sell to. Here's a thought... listen to your fans. That's where Marvel's real success came from.
Because having a, what did he call it, cohesive cinematic universe is an incredibly bad idea for the fans you are trying to sell to. Here's a thought... listen to your fans. That's where Marvel's real success came from.
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6:04AM on 04/09/2014
I thought the problem has always been the Dark Knight trilogy. Great films but it put any chance of creating their own DCCU on hold. They couldn't go forward with something similar to what Marvel was doing until that trilogy wrapped up. During that time Marvel got all its ducks in row. They certainly haven't done themselves any favors with their decisions since though, like casting, the GL film which looks like they are going to completely write off and two of their major characters on TV. I
I thought the problem has always been the Dark Knight trilogy. Great films but it put any chance of creating their own DCCU on hold. They couldn't go forward with something similar to what Marvel was doing until that trilogy wrapped up. During that time Marvel got all its ducks in row. They certainly haven't done themselves any favors with their decisions since though, like casting, the GL film which looks like they are going to completely write off and two of their major characters on TV. I think ultimately the difference between the two studios right now is one is being run by guys who are fans and one by suits.
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6:22PM on 04/08/2014
The Avengers was the second highest grossing movie of all time, but I don't know if we want to emulate that.
The Avengers was the second highest grossing movie of all time, but I don't know if we want to emulate that.
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5:52PM on 04/08/2014
I think it would be cool if DC makes a cohesive universe since everything is under one house. It would be good for the fans but it's very early in this New DC era so they could go anywhere. I just think it will all hinge on BvS. If that is better than we all expect then I think they might be open to the thought of making a few solo movies followed by a huge JL movie. But who knows. Maybe this BvS is that intro movie.
I think it would be cool if DC makes a cohesive universe since everything is under one house. It would be good for the fans but it's very early in this New DC era so they could go anywhere. I just think it will all hinge on BvS. If that is better than we all expect then I think they might be open to the thought of making a few solo movies followed by a huge JL movie. But who knows. Maybe this BvS is that intro movie.
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5:39PM on 04/08/2014
Do DC have to create a unified, persistent cinematic universe? I mean, Marvel essentially have it set up so all their films are interconnected to a decent extent, except for the characters they don't control. DC / Warner Bros seem to be working a bunch of their characters into Man Of Steel 2, which is fine, but they could make any movie they wanted and not connect it to the current Cavill and Affleck angle and I don't see that as a problem. Have characters meet up if it'll tell a great story,
Do DC have to create a unified, persistent cinematic universe? I mean, Marvel essentially have it set up so all their films are interconnected to a decent extent, except for the characters they don't control. DC / Warner Bros seem to be working a bunch of their characters into Man Of Steel 2, which is fine, but they could make any movie they wanted and not connect it to the current Cavill and Affleck angle and I don't see that as a problem. Have characters meet up if it'll tell a great story, but otherwise why not just make the great movies they want to, regardless of their other movies?
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5:07PM on 04/08/2014
This is what I have been saying for a while, I think that DC has a lot of potential to put together a cohesive movie universe with multiple characters, but they dont have to follow Marvels lead. In fact, I think its making more of a statement if they dont. Of course they are going to keep making DC movies with different characters from their comics, because there is too much money potential not to. If they think they have a good script and a good story, then they should make a movie. Simple
This is what I have been saying for a while, I think that DC has a lot of potential to put together a cohesive movie universe with multiple characters, but they dont have to follow Marvels lead. In fact, I think its making more of a statement if they dont. Of course they are going to keep making DC movies with different characters from their comics, because there is too much money potential not to. If they think they have a good script and a good story, then they should make a movie. Simple as that. I know fans want all of their comic hero's on the screen, but NO ONE wants a bad film no matter what character is the star.
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5:27PM on 04/08/2014
But that doesn't explain why they are still planning on putting all their superheroes in the same movie, with Batman and Superman also featuring Wonder Woman and a Justice League movie imminent. They don't want to follow Marvel's lead, but they insist on making a Justice League movie after the success of The Avengers, even though they have not done anything to establish these heroes on the screen. They can refuse to copy Marvel's route to success, but don't tell me that they don't want to
But that doesn't explain why they are still planning on putting all their superheroes in the same movie, with Batman and Superman also featuring Wonder Woman and a Justice League movie imminent. They don't want to follow Marvel's lead, but they insist on making a Justice League movie after the success of The Avengers, even though they have not done anything to establish these heroes on the screen. They can refuse to copy Marvel's route to success, but don't tell me that they don't want to have a shared universe, because Batman and Superman and Justice League proves otherwise.
6:14PM on 04/08/2014
But are they really putting ALL of their superheroes in one movie? I know that Justice League is announced, but otherwise to my knowledge, BvsS is the only actual thing happening. And we still dont even know how big of a role WW and LL will have in that film. Is it any more ambitious than Sony pushing a Sinister Six film before they have introduced all of the 6 villains? Do we need to establish more of the characters than we already have? Even if they use a different version of Green Lantern
But are they really putting ALL of their superheroes in one movie? I know that Justice League is announced, but otherwise to my knowledge, BvsS is the only actual thing happening. And we still dont even know how big of a role WW and LL will have in that film. Is it any more ambitious than Sony pushing a Sinister Six film before they have introduced all of the 6 villains? Do we need to establish more of the characters than we already have? Even if they use a different version of Green Lantern or the Flash, the characters themselves are well known by the general public already.
4:52PM on 04/08/2014
Translation: "If you haven't figured out by now that we have NO idea what the f**k we're doing with our comic movie franchises, I really don't know what I can say that's going to make it more obvious than this."
Translation: "If you haven't figured out by now that we have NO idea what the f**k we're doing with our comic movie franchises, I really don't know what I can say that's going to make it more obvious than this."
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6:50PM on 04/08/2014

Oh, please!

Marvel pre-planned all the movies from Phase I. And now they're planning movies for 14 more years. I think Goyer and WB are aware that most DC characters aren't as popular as the Marvel ones.

Remember in ENTOURAGE when VINCE starred in a fictional AQUAMAN? That showed the confidence the show's writers had that there would never be an AQUAMAN movie. Not a serious one, at least.
Marvel pre-planned all the movies from Phase I. And now they're planning movies for 14 more years. I think Goyer and WB are aware that most DC characters aren't as popular as the Marvel ones.

Remember in ENTOURAGE when VINCE starred in a fictional AQUAMAN? That showed the confidence the show's writers had that there would never be an AQUAMAN movie. Not a serious one, at least.
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9:18PM on 04/08/2014
Most DC are not as popular as Marvel.......... Ummmm ok dude

The only reason Marvel has some popular characters is due to the movies, prior DC definitely had more in the forefront. A bit of exposure for them and it is no contest again.
Most DC are not as popular as Marvel.......... Ummmm ok dude

The only reason Marvel has some popular characters is due to the movies, prior DC definitely had more in the forefront. A bit of exposure for them and it is no contest again.
9:25PM on 04/08/2014
I reckon the Only Marvel hero that has reached the levels of pop culture as Superman and Batman is the one they don't own

Spider-Man
I reckon the Only Marvel hero that has reached the levels of pop culture as Superman and Batman is the one they don't own

Spider-Man
9:46PM on 04/08/2014
Marvel had a plan for Phase I but before Josh Whedon started working on Avengers they didn't have any plans for Phases II and III.
Marvel had a plan for Phase I but before Josh Whedon started working on Avengers they didn't have any plans for Phases II and III.
5:41AM on 04/09/2014
I kind of agree. After the big three(B,S and WW) there's a huge dropoff. Also how popular would even they be if it were not for WB which has owned DC since the 60s I think.
I kind of agree. After the big three(B,S and WW) there's a huge dropoff. Also how popular would even they be if it were not for WB which has owned DC since the 60s I think.
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