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David Goyer on his shelved Green Arrow film which was "ahead of its time"

10.15.2015

Years before Arrow was a show on The CW and we getting half a dozen superhero films hitting theaters annually, David Goyer was trying to get GREEN ARROW: ESCAPE FROM SUPER MAX off the ground. Goyer, along with Justin Marks, penned a Green Arrow screenplay which would have seen the emerald archer framed for the assassination of a high-ranking government official and sent to a super max prison packed with villains.The project would ultimately drift into development hell but with the current state of superhero films and the arrival of SUICIDE SQUAD, David Goyer told Den of Geek that the film was "completely ahead of its time."

Much like the upcoming SUICIDE SQUAD, GREEN ARROW: ESCAPE FROM SUPER MAX would have included a prison full of villains such as Lex Luther, The Riddler, and The Joker, but Goyer said that the "oddball" project was never fully accepted by the higher-ups at Warner Bros.

The executive on it was really visionary, but the higher-ups, none of whom are at Warner Bros any more, just thought at the time, you know, we just want to make Batman and Superman movies. We don’t want to make any other characters. But this is before Marvel had really taken off, before more obscure projects like Guardians Of The Galaxy or Ant-Man or things like that had huge success, before the current gold rush I guess, if you will. It’s natural that eventually someone was going to make a villain movie, so that’s just what happened!

I suppose Goyer has had the last laugh, as he and Zack Snyder are now overseeing the growing DC Cinematic Universe and could very well put a Green Arrow feature film back into development. Would you have liked to have seen GREEN ARROW: ESCAPE FROM SUPER MAX or does the character work better on CW's Arrow?

SUICIDE SQUAD will be released on August 5, 2016.

Source: Den of Geek

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11:46AM on 10/17/2015
I didn't enjoy his directorial efforts, but he's pretty good at coming up with general outlines for a screenplay before handing over to other writers who can fine tune the little details, (the Nolans and others). I would say he's earned a place in the DC cinematic development team for this reason. He helped Batman Begins get made and convinced Nolan to use Bane in the Dark Knight Rises. I think I probably would of enjoyed this because it would be interesting to see a relative unknown take on a
I didn't enjoy his directorial efforts, but he's pretty good at coming up with general outlines for a screenplay before handing over to other writers who can fine tune the little details, (the Nolans and others). I would say he's earned a place in the DC cinematic development team for this reason. He helped Batman Begins get made and convinced Nolan to use Bane in the Dark Knight Rises. I think I probably would of enjoyed this because it would be interesting to see a relative unknown take on a ton of well-known baddies. You really wouldn't know what to expect. I wouldn't give up hope on this idea though, as I wouldn't give up hope that Amell can join the cinematic universe as green arrow, because as Goyer said, films like Ant-man and Guardians of The Galaxy are actually getting made now a days.
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8:15PM on 10/16/2015
I really dislike Goyer anymore. The best thing he ever did was Blade 1. Since then he always seems to luck out and be along for the ride with talented film makers. Kind of like Jon Peters, happens to works with talented people and gets to keep living off of other peoples glory, when all of his own ideas are just shit. Superman not flying and wrestling with a polar bear, also giant fucking spiders.

Goyer was also the one working with McG to craft a Superman trilogy where Krypton didn't
I really dislike Goyer anymore. The best thing he ever did was Blade 1. Since then he always seems to luck out and be along for the ride with talented film makers. Kind of like Jon Peters, happens to works with talented people and gets to keep living off of other peoples glory, when all of his own ideas are just shit. Superman not flying and wrestling with a polar bear, also giant fucking spiders.

Goyer was also the one working with McG to craft a Superman trilogy where Krypton didn't get destroyed. It's one thing to do your interpretation of a story, it's another to just do whatever you want and call it the same thing. That's a sort of false advertising. It banks on the identity of the property to sell your story, and not the strength of your own story.

If your story is good, it can work no matter what the characters names are or their back stories. Blade 3 proved Goyer is a hack.
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1:14PM on 10/17/2015
He is just like Jeph Loeb. A writer with so-so ideas but works with very talented artists to elevate his work.
He is just like Jeph Loeb. A writer with so-so ideas but works with very talented artists to elevate his work.
3:59PM on 10/16/2015
Supermax should still be made. Marvel Studios is not as likely to make something as gritty. Daredevil seems to be the company's one "dark" project so far. WB/DC needs to differentiate its product from the House of Mouse's.

I looked forward to seeing Supermax for a long time. Personally, it is still welcome to appear. Between Green Arrow and Suicide Squad, Supermax might be the better movie--since it probably excludes Will Smith. I like David Ayer's work a lot. However, Suicide Squad is a
Supermax should still be made. Marvel Studios is not as likely to make something as gritty. Daredevil seems to be the company's one "dark" project so far. WB/DC needs to differentiate its product from the House of Mouse's.

I looked forward to seeing Supermax for a long time. Personally, it is still welcome to appear. Between Green Arrow and Suicide Squad, Supermax might be the better movie--since it probably excludes Will Smith. I like David Ayer's work a lot. However, Suicide Squad is a skip-it for Smith's irritating presence.
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1:05PM on 10/16/2015

Everyone's shitting on Goyer here...

and I get it to an extent, but I read this script when it was making the rounds years ago and it was fan-fuckin'-tastic! I'd love if it actually happened.
and I get it to an extent, but I read this script when it was making the rounds years ago and it was fan-fuckin'-tastic! I'd love if it actually happened.
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2:15PM on 10/18/2015
i thought Justin Marks was sole writer with Goyer just supervising and producing? Maybe I'm wrong, is there a place to read the script? Would make an awesome read.
i thought Justin Marks was sole writer with Goyer just supervising and producing? Maybe I'm wrong, is there a place to read the script? Would make an awesome read.
12:17PM on 10/16/2015
I remember when news of this first dropped years ago. Sounded awesome then too.

If this was ever made, it needs to be made with Amell.
I remember when news of this first dropped years ago. Sounded awesome then too.

If this was ever made, it needs to be made with Amell.
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9:37AM on 10/16/2015
Agree that if Green Arrow ever does make the leap to the big screen, Amell should be the one to take it up.
Agree that if Green Arrow ever does make the leap to the big screen, Amell should be the one to take it up.
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8:34AM on 10/16/2015
Nothing that Goyer writes is ahead of its time. Unless other writers re-write and twist all his ideas.
Nothing that Goyer writes is ahead of its time. Unless other writers re-write and twist all his ideas.
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6:06AM on 10/16/2015
I didn't hate this idea for a movie, but presumably Green Arrow / Oliver Queen wouldn't have had access to his bow and arrows in a supermax prison so that would've posed a bunch of issues for the first film trying to establish the character. As something in an established DC universe it could have been a cool movie, but would've been an odd place to start out.
I didn't hate this idea for a movie, but presumably Green Arrow / Oliver Queen wouldn't have had access to his bow and arrows in a supermax prison so that would've posed a bunch of issues for the first film trying to establish the character. As something in an established DC universe it could have been a cool movie, but would've been an odd place to start out.
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11:58PM on 10/15/2015
David Goyer is an awful writer. He has a knack for turning everything to shit, ruin his career, then leach off of great writers by somehow always getting a "co-writer" credit, which in turn revives his career. Rinse and repeat.
David Goyer is an awful writer. He has a knack for turning everything to shit, ruin his career, then leach off of great writers by somehow always getting a "co-writer" credit, which in turn revives his career. Rinse and repeat.
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8:29AM on 10/16/2015
I'll agree with that at present but he didn't start off bad with the first two 'Blade' movies and 'Dark City', which were cutting edge for the time. Things all turned around once he got into the directors chair for the third part and his career has pretty much taken the path you've stated.
I'll agree with that at present but he didn't start off bad with the first two 'Blade' movies and 'Dark City', which were cutting edge for the time. Things all turned around once he got into the directors chair for the third part and his career has pretty much taken the path you've stated.
5:44PM on 10/16/2015
Even if you go back to his early career he was still a shit writer. Kickboxer 2, Demonic Toys, Arcade, and Nick Fury were all awful scripts. Then after all these shitty scripts he somehow managed to get himself attached as co-writer when the studio forced Alex Proyas to rewrite the original Dark City script (which was originally written by Proyas & Lem Dobbs). This gave Goyer a career boost, and Michael De Luca (who produced Dark City) helped Goyer get Blade made. None of the Blade movies had
Even if you go back to his early career he was still a shit writer. Kickboxer 2, Demonic Toys, Arcade, and Nick Fury were all awful scripts. Then after all these shitty scripts he somehow managed to get himself attached as co-writer when the studio forced Alex Proyas to rewrite the original Dark City script (which was originally written by Proyas & Lem Dobbs). This gave Goyer a career boost, and Michael De Luca (who produced Dark City) helped Goyer get Blade made. None of the Blade movies had good scripts, but the first two Blade films had powerfully visual filmmakers behind them, and these directors turned bad scripts into fun visceral entertainment. Then David Goyer got a big head and went out to direct Blade 3 on his own, which turned out to be terrible because there was no one there to make his awful script work. Career ruined. So he goes back to co-writing. etc... etc...
7:40AM on 10/17/2015
I stand corrected. For some reason I always gave him a pass for those three films but yeah, if you actually examine the facts, he had very little to do with their success. Anything he's done that was strictly solo sucked terribly.
I stand corrected. For some reason I always gave him a pass for those three films but yeah, if you actually examine the facts, he had very little to do with their success. Anything he's done that was strictly solo sucked terribly.
11:02PM on 10/15/2015
The supermax idea has potential, but green arrow just comes off like a b-level Batman. They have a similar back-story. lack super-powers, etc. Ant-man isn't that popular and was a minor success, but at least he's unique.
The supermax idea has potential, but green arrow just comes off like a b-level Batman. They have a similar back-story. lack super-powers, etc. Ant-man isn't that popular and was a minor success, but at least he's unique.
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9:48PM on 10/15/2015
I still think DC is making a mistake by not using Amell in their big screen version of the DCU. The guy has earned the chance to make the transistion from small screen to big screen. Plus, it would bring in the fan base from the show as well.
I still think DC is making a mistake by not using Amell in their big screen version of the DCU. The guy has earned the chance to make the transistion from small screen to big screen. Plus, it would bring in the fan base from the show as well.
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9:25PM on 10/15/2015
The idea was pretty stupid to begin with, considering that Green Arrow was still a relatively unknown character at the time and there's no way Lex Luthor would be sharing a prison with Joker and The Riddler.
Also, it's already been realized wonderfully in Batman: Arkham Asylum. Pitting Batman against all his looney villains inside the asylum make much more sense than a B-lister superhero trying to escape a prison full of A-list bad guys.
The idea was pretty stupid to begin with, considering that Green Arrow was still a relatively unknown character at the time and there's no way Lex Luthor would be sharing a prison with Joker and The Riddler.
Also, it's already been realized wonderfully in Batman: Arkham Asylum. Pitting Batman against all his looney villains inside the asylum make much more sense than a B-lister superhero trying to escape a prison full of A-list bad guys.
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9:10PM on 10/15/2015

I do feel Goyer might be a little too into tooting his own horn

What I want more than anything else from the character is a Green Arrow vs. Green Lantern based on the classic comics. Let them get real political with it, deal with racist Green Lantern and Junkie speedy. In fact my hope is that after a successful Green Lantern film this is where they go with the squeal (It would be cool to see something like Blackest Night round out a trilogy).
What I want more than anything else from the character is a Green Arrow vs. Green Lantern based on the classic comics. Let them get real political with it, deal with racist Green Lantern and Junkie speedy. In fact my hope is that after a successful Green Lantern film this is where they go with the squeal (It would be cool to see something like Blackest Night round out a trilogy).
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9:09PM on 10/15/2015
"as he and Zack Snyder are now overseeing the growing DC Cinematic Universe"

ya David Goyer is overseeing it. Eyeroll. Sorry they've cast him aside.
"as he and Zack Snyder are now overseeing the growing DC Cinematic Universe"

ya David Goyer is overseeing it. Eyeroll. Sorry they've cast him aside.
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9:14PM on 10/15/2015
Thankfully! While I'm shore there's blame to go around I can't help but feel he was the main cause of Man of Steel's terrible story. Anyway with him gone hopefully these films are on more sound footing going forward. I believe they are, I have to.
Thankfully! While I'm shore there's blame to go around I can't help but feel he was the main cause of Man of Steel's terrible story. Anyway with him gone hopefully these films are on more sound footing going forward. I believe they are, I have to.
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