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Jan. 27, 2011by:

Dear Kevin Smith,

In light of your shenanigans at last weekend's Sundance event (aka The Decision 2.0), I felt it necessary to write you in the hopes of understanding how it came to this. My aim is to retrace your career, remind you of your roots, and go over some strategy as for how to win back that once beloved fan community you've written off and flipped the bird to. After all, we used to be on the same side; you were once a proud fanboy (and a jolly one at that). Let's see if we can pinpoint where and why Silent Bob became Angry Kevin...

Rewind to 1993, when you really were a "fat, masturbating stoner" like the rest of us. A lover and self-taught student of all things film, living in small-town Jersey, a man of only 23 years but already possessing substantial intelligence and drive. You channeled all those qualities and a few thousand hard-earned bucks into the classic CLERKS, and once the film industry caught wind and distributed it into the world (remember that part for later) the legend of Kevin Smith was born. You fast became an inspiration, a beacon of hope to all us aspiring filmmakers who dream of someday making it big in Hollywood.

You followed Clerks up with MALLRATS. It opened with a bit less critical acclaim, but became an immediate cult favorite. Next came your greatest critical success, CHASING AMY, and with it your defined style emerged. Your films- each punctuated by raunchy comedy, witty dialogue, simple camerawork, and featuring the topics of love and angst amongst the slacker generation- were easily relatable to a growing fan base. This was all exacerbated by the fact that your stage presence and notoriety as a wordsmith (no pun intended) could win any audience over. You wisely embraced the growing online film community (who embraced you equally), and with Hollywood flooding in offers for you to write big-screen comic book films and more, the sky was the limit. Your dream had come true.

The comic book stuff didn't seem to be working out. You just didn't mesh with the Producers' unauthentic vision, and there's something very respectable about that. You decided to branch out a bit with your next film, taking on theology (in your traditionally light-hearted, monologue-heavy style) with the slightly controversial DOGMA. It was a favorite amongst the View Askewniverse and achieved some audience success as well. But the less-than-perfect critical response seemed to irk you, and, perhaps, awakened a sense of angst we hadn't previously seen. In your next few films (JAY AND SILENT BOB, JERSEY GIRL, CLERKS II) you tried to return more to your roots, but seemed less and less satisfied with the public feedback that resulted. This, one might infer, was what led to your increased proclivity toward acting and public speaking, the latter platform you started using to bash critics, other filmmakers and several industry bigwigs you hadn't seen eye to eye with. 

2007 took your public speaking to new levels with the founding of SModcast, a brilliant start to what would become a popular Podcast empire. You enhanced your deep connection with fans of cinema and pop culture by, as always, promising that you were one of us. But that chip on your shoulder was growing and getting harder to ignore.

Your directorial skills had always been suspect, and perhaps you took that as a challenge when it was announced that you would not be writing your next directorial effort, COP OUT. I'm not going to labor on about how that film was universally received (Rotten Tomatoes will tell you everything you need to know), but not long after the film's release, the Kevin Smith defensive front was unleashed over the interwebs full-bore. No longer restricted to trashing film critics or Hollywood suits, your new distaste for the online film community came as a great shock and a deep wound to many of us. Jokes were replaced by jabs. The notorious Southwest Airlines incident, coupled with a growing and needless Me-and-the-SModcasters-vs-the-world mentality, hinted at your inner turmoil. However, it wasn't apparent just how deeply you'd been affected by your detractors until last Sunday's Sundance publicity stunt.

How sad it was to see you take the stage to harshly dismiss and disrespect the studios and distributors that funded and released your films all these years, then take merciless potshots at the ad industry employees who create the trailers and posters we film geeks salivate for and gush over. Kevin, we LOVE promotionals! We watch the best trailers over and over (and over). We proudly hang our favorite posters on our walls, even though it may sometimes prevent us from getting laid.

Until Sunday night, I had long been a fan of the View Askewniverse; but I liked OTHER films too. Indie films. Art films. Studio films. Big-budget films. Even the [very] occasional remake. To see you indirectly disparage them all, it made me feel like I had to choose a side: you or them. It wasn't a difficult choice to make, but it still hurt. And yet, the biggest gut-punch was still to come...

Amidst your overlong monologue of self-gratification, you mentioned that instead of having the studios pay to release your film, you were going to have us, the audience, pay you out of our pockets to fund it. Then, in passing, you quickly alluded to a crucial financial figure; for this 'privilege' of seeing your flick, we'd each have to pay "six, seven, ten times the price of a normal movie ticket". (Pre-sale pricing released today confirms ticketing starts at $68.25 for nosebleeds, up to $142.70) You then defended this by adding that you'd follow the screening with a Q&A. What fanboy should (or could) drop that kind of coin to see a film? And now the question that must be asked...would Dante or Randal be able to afford that? 

I wont get into any more of the politics of your release method, because at the end of your 26 minute self-congratulatory rant, one thing had become painfully clear: this was no longer about filmmaking, it was about Smith-making. The talented, humble, young Anakin we met 17 years ago had finally and unfortunately metamorphosed into Darth Vader. Even if he still wore Jedi robes.

The solution to your problems ain't so simple, because you say you're happy sharing your work only with your Askewniverse (and also because you've burned nearly every other bridge in town). I do genuinely believe that the day will come, like it did for Darth, when you realize that your internal rage and self-pride poisoned you to the extent that you lost sight of what was important. On that day, hopefully you'll wish to make amends, at least to us fanboys and fangirls. I feel that the way to do that, while bold for sure, is relatively simple...

You've got boatloads of cash. You told us as much on Sunday. And since you champion the fact that you made your latest film for almost nothing...put your money where your mouth is. Take your film on the road, to packed houses of SModcast followers and horror enthusiasts just like you've been planning...but screen it for FREE. Afterward, ask for donations to support your indie cause. If you have to, take a page from George Lucas and make your money back selling merch. If you believe so passionately in your fanbase, and in the medium of "TRUE independent film", then make this about THE FILM. Not about the Q&A afterward, and certainly not about maximizing personal profits. Independent film has never been about the money. That's what studio pictures are about. Fund your flicks through SMod-fan donations, and you will become a true Jedi knight.

Now, if your current method ends up working, more power to you. But regardless, and in closing, I'd like to remind you about a point you once stressed; that filmmaking is not about the hard work and perseverance of one man. Filmmaking is and always has been the result of a collaboration between hundreds, sometimes thousands- coming together as one- with the worthy intent of entertaining millions. CLERKS likely wouldn't have reached the world and found its massive fanbase without a little help from some studio friends and a bit of advertising.

We, the moviegoing audience, show up for just one reason: those 90+ minutes of cine-magic in the dark. Owning a pair of SModcast Sneakers or a Wayne Gretzky hockey stick is entirely beside the point. We simply want to immerse ourselves in a damn good flick.

If you can deliver that, great. But if you can't, or simply don't care to any longer, kindly get off the stage. You're standing in front of the screen.

Snoochie Boochies,

              Aaron the H

Extra Tidbit: The amount of cash Smith anticipates he'll make at the very first screening of RED STATE dwarfs the entire budget of CLERKS ($27,575).
Source: JoBlo.com

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5:36AM on 01/31/2011
I get the point, and I don't particularly support what he's doing, but it's fairly obvious: he's angry and frustrated. There isn't too much more to it. Here is a man who has spent his life building up a career that he's tried to keep independent, but at the same time he has tried to bring that spirit of independence and studio-hands-off to the studio side of the industry. Instead of the response he wanted, he got a negative one. The moment he crossed the line, things went downhill. I would even
I get the point, and I don't particularly support what he's doing, but it's fairly obvious: he's angry and frustrated. There isn't too much more to it. Here is a man who has spent his life building up a career that he's tried to keep independent, but at the same time he has tried to bring that spirit of independence and studio-hands-off to the studio side of the industry. Instead of the response he wanted, he got a negative one. The moment he crossed the line, things went downhill. I would even say that once he left the Askewniverse, his career started going south. I would say Strike Back was his last great film. Now, Kevin Smith is something like Howard Beale from Network: Mad as hell and he isn't gonna take it from anybody, even the faithful followers.
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8:49PM on 01/30/2011

I wrote this on the "Red State" Review, fits here better.

Goes to show, playing @ Sundance doesn't matter like it used to.
Pretty good review. It's too bad that so many lousy films are now able to play @ Sundance, Toronto, & the Cannes' film festivals now. I know that even 10 years ago, it actually meant something to have your film shown there. Now it seems that that even mediocre films pop up there a lot now. At least it will shut up all the Hardcore Smith ViewAskew-ers' for a while. Mr. Smith needs to go back...
Pretty good review. It's too bad
Goes to show, playing @ Sundance doesn't matter like it used to.
Pretty good review. It's too bad that so many lousy films are now able to play @ Sundance, Toronto, & the Cannes' film festivals now. I know that even 10 years ago, it actually meant something to have your film shown there. Now it seems that that even mediocre films pop up there a lot now. At least it will shut up all the Hardcore Smith ViewAskew-ers' for a while. Mr. Smith needs to go back...
Pretty good review. It's too bad that so many lousy films are now able to play @ Sundance, Toronto, & the Cannes' film festivals now. I know that even 10 years ago, it actually meant something to have your film shown there. Now it seems that that even mediocre films pop up there a lot now. At least it will shut up all the Hardcore Smith ViewAskew-ers' for a while. Mr. Smith needs to go back to writing & directing what he knows. He needs to go back to the small budget pics w/some unknown actors & make it funny. I loved his response he gave to all the people who ripped on him doing "Cop Out," but I'm sorry but that had to have been one of the worst films of the decade. It wasn't quite "Gigli" bad, but it's barely a couple notches above it. Plus I imagine the paycheck will allow him to work on some scripts for a few years. I think it's fine if people do that once in while, just as long as that's not all they do. I had no interest in this film & was tired of hearing about it constantly, so I'm glad I won't have to much more especially now that I know it's bad. The good thing is that he can now go back to the editing table & get rid of some of the lame stuff. There is nothing worse than stopping a decent film w/long uninterrupted pauses, especially if they're pointless & screw up the flow of the picture. I can think of a ton of films that would have been better had they edited some of the dialog down. Hell that's what special features are for on DVD. We can always see it that way.
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3:04AM on 01/30/2011
I'm a huge fan of smiths, and though I don't totally agree with all of the things he's come out against lately, I think this is an interesting idea and think the flick sounds promising. I may very well denounce it once I've seen it, but as a self proclaimed critic I can't help but understand his "hatred" of internet critics. Most people just want to get a name by crapping on someone who is more famous than they will ever be. Dude makes me laugh on the regular with his smodcast and I gotta give
I'm a huge fan of smiths, and though I don't totally agree with all of the things he's come out against lately, I think this is an interesting idea and think the flick sounds promising. I may very well denounce it once I've seen it, but as a self proclaimed critic I can't help but understand his "hatred" of internet critics. Most people just want to get a name by crapping on someone who is more famous than they will ever be. Dude makes me laugh on the regular with his smodcast and I gotta give credit when its due, and I think he puts himself out there more than most filmmakers so it hits him harder when everyone wants to crap on his stuff and mention in the review that he's too fat to fly or some such stuff. Reviews should be about the film, not of your opinion of the director or actors in the piece. Anyway, thats my two cents.
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5:26AM on 01/30/2011
Just so I'm clear, you consider yourself an internet critic, but think internet critics are a joke?
Just so I'm clear, you consider yourself an internet critic, but think internet critics are a joke?
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5:45PM on 01/29/2011
To Pinpoint the exact moment of Smith's decline from Studio Man to Studio non believer is not something that needs to be dissected... all one needs to do is Listen to the man himself... because he can tell you the exact moment his faith was lost in the studio system: It was Saturday morning November 1, 2008 when the first figures came out for Zach & Miri Make a Porno and they were low. That is when his faith was lost, because he had allowed him self to be immersed in the studio fan fare that
To Pinpoint the exact moment of Smith's decline from Studio Man to Studio non believer is not something that needs to be dissected... all one needs to do is Listen to the man himself... because he can tell you the exact moment his faith was lost in the studio system: It was Saturday morning November 1, 2008 when the first figures came out for Zach & Miri Make a Porno and they were low. That is when his faith was lost, because he had allowed him self to be immersed in the studio fan fare that THIS movie was his 100 million hit. That was as soul crushing as it got for him. So he took that and tried something different, a movie he didn't write but chose to direct.. and the studio pumped so much money into the thing for what ultimately were meddling returns.

I do agree the way he went about announcing his self distribution plans was a bit selfish and could have been handled better... but this is just the next step for him. It has been a bad 2 years for the dude, but it seems like he is very happy with Red State and how the thing is coming out.. and ultimately that is what matters! I cant wait to see it!
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5:54AM on 01/30/2011
how was the failure of Zack and Miri in any way the studio's fault? The marketing was completely spot on, and the majority of complaints stemmed from the fact that it was not a great film, which I think is at the core of what Smith's problem has become. He's no longer making good films but refuses to accept any kind of blame, even for Cop Out. Misleading marketing has never a problem on any Kevin Smith movie. He remains the only filmmaker in Hollywood who openly voices his disapproval anytime
how was the failure of Zack and Miri in any way the studio's fault? The marketing was completely spot on, and the majority of complaints stemmed from the fact that it was not a great film, which I think is at the core of what Smith's problem has become. He's no longer making good films but refuses to accept any kind of blame, even for Cop Out. Misleading marketing has never a problem on any Kevin Smith movie. He remains the only filmmaker in Hollywood who openly voices his disapproval anytime someone gives a negative review of one of his films, as if they have no right to. He never dismissed film critics when they were giving his films good reviews.

You don't see any other directors (not even Uwe Boll) telling critics their opinions are all invalid.
4:37PM on 01/30/2011
I didnt say the failure of Zach & Miri was the studios fault.. I said that he had allowed himself to immersed in all of the pre-release buzz that comes with a studio picture that had him psyching himself out that Zach & Miri would be a 100 Million Dollar hit, and when it wasn't it was crushing to him.

Then with Cop Out, the studio pumped so much money into marketing the movie and trying to make it this big mainstream thing, and ultimately, only the Kevin Smith elite came out and even though
I didnt say the failure of Zach & Miri was the studios fault.. I said that he had allowed himself to immersed in all of the pre-release buzz that comes with a studio picture that had him psyching himself out that Zach & Miri would be a 100 Million Dollar hit, and when it wasn't it was crushing to him.

Then with Cop Out, the studio pumped so much money into marketing the movie and trying to make it this big mainstream thing, and ultimately, only the Kevin Smith elite came out and even though the movie was his biggest monetary hit to date, it was still only the K. Smith Faithful going to see the thing.

So why spend all of this mopney to market a Kevin Smith movie to the masses, when at this point, it is not the masses who come out to see a Kevin Smith Movie, it is the kevin Smith Faithful... and he can spend 50 million to market a movie and get that 30 million box office.. or he can do what he does, get the word out to the faithful and still turn in a 30 million dollar grossing movie.

Why spend 100 million dollars on a movie when history shows that the returns will only be around 30 million... spend 5 million, get the movie made, get the word out to the people that truly care about seeing the movie and make back that 5 million.
10:13PM on 01/28/2011

In response to the Kevin Smith hate

If he is the only one to rant about it (according to the last commenter), then more power to him. It's only annoying because he is only one of few doing it...so of course it seems repetitive and rhetorical...but I support him 100%. If I make a movie and then regret it, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I WILL SPEAK OF IT. And if I make a movie that I like, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I WILL SPEAK OF THAT ALSO. As far as I am concerned, the guy is human like the rest of us, and he is allowed to gripe about it in
If he is the only one to rant about it (according to the last commenter), then more power to him. It's only annoying because he is only one of few doing it...so of course it seems repetitive and rhetorical...but I support him 100%. If I make a movie and then regret it, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I WILL SPEAK OF IT. And if I make a movie that I like, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I WILL SPEAK OF THAT ALSO. As far as I am concerned, the guy is human like the rest of us, and he is allowed to gripe about it in after-work-hours just like we regular folk do. Get over it [link] YOU ROCK KEVIN SMITH
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1:52AM on 01/28/2011

Hmmm.

I always thought Smith had an interesting voice and idea on things. But what made me kind of dwindle in my appreciation of him was after he directed "Cop Out" and went on this whole rant about how he never expected anything to come out of this whole "directing thing" and maybe he should just give it up. To me, I felt that was a big finger to his long-time fans because it made me feel like he wasn't "one of us" anymore, just someone who went into this business on a dare, and it wasn't fun
I always thought Smith had an interesting voice and idea on things. But what made me kind of dwindle in my appreciation of him was after he directed "Cop Out" and went on this whole rant about how he never expected anything to come out of this whole "directing thing" and maybe he should just give it up. To me, I felt that was a big finger to his long-time fans because it made me feel like he wasn't "one of us" anymore, just someone who went into this business on a dare, and it wasn't fun anymore because something new didn't work out. Truth is, no behind to scenes person is ever perfect whether its a director, writer, whatever. Everyone is still learning just like he should be and just because something didn't go right he wanted to pack it in?!?! Really? After his fans have stuck by him through pretty much everything all these years? It sucked to hear that from him, and personally I do agree with this article. Smith really does need to get back to what made him such a promising and engrossing filmmaker instead of becoming a "hype and bash" overly chatty and self-righteous man on the industry and the people who helped make him a household name in the first place. Sure its not perfect, but because of all of them and us, his movies got out there and made the money they did...even the bad ones...And that does say something, doesnt it? And new flash, I sincerely DOUBT Smith is the only person whose having/had trouble with this industry when it comes to producers and studios...But he is the only one who seems to CONSTANTLY rant and rave about it though.
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10:34PM on 01/27/2011

Man everyone IS a critic aren't they

Kevin Smith is a talented writer, a good film maker, and an honest personality. If people think they can do better - have at it. That possibility exists because of people like him.
Kevin Smith is a talented writer, a good film maker, and an honest personality. If people think they can do better - have at it. That possibility exists because of people like him.
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9:59PM on 01/27/2011
I'm surprised that Kevin Smith hasn't responded to this yet.
I'm surprised that Kevin Smith hasn't responded to this yet.
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10:45PM on 01/27/2011
lol For real. He has a tendency and track record for it.
lol For real. He has a tendency and track record for it.
9:03PM on 01/27/2011
I agree I've been a fan of Kevin Smith but over the years it's been harder and harder to defend him but i can't defend what he did at Sundance.
I agree I've been a fan of Kevin Smith but over the years it's been harder and harder to defend him but i can't defend what he did at Sundance.
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8:41PM on 01/27/2011

Angry Kevin Smith?

Id say he has never been happier.
Id say he has never been happier.
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8:03PM on 01/27/2011

missleading

I found this article misleading. "Then, in passing, you quickly alluded to a crucial financial figure. For this 'privilege' of seeing your flick, we'd each have to pay "six, seven, ten times the price of a normal movie ticket". What he's doing now is a SPECIAL tour with guests. He is releasing the film in October where people can regular movie price. Win win. His hardcore fans will go see the film early with Q&A'S they love, and others can wait till October and see it in theaters. What the
I found this article misleading. "Then, in passing, you quickly alluded to a crucial financial figure. For this 'privilege' of seeing your flick, we'd each have to pay "six, seven, ten times the price of a normal movie ticket". What he's doing now is a SPECIAL tour with guests. He is releasing the film in October where people can regular movie price. Win win. His hardcore fans will go see the film early with Q&A'S they love, and others can wait till October and see it in theaters. What the problem??
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9:28PM on 01/27/2011
the problem is, at what point does he REWARD his hardcore fans by giving them a DISCOUNTED screening for their loyal worship? Not a series of screenings where he jacks the price up 10x so they can hear him speak.
the problem is, at what point does he REWARD his hardcore fans by giving them a DISCOUNTED screening for their loyal worship? Not a series of screenings where he jacks the price up 10x so they can hear him speak.
12:58PM on 01/28/2011
He REWARDS his hardcore fans on a weekly basis with hours and hours of FREE podcasts. You seem to be really hung up on the monetary aspect of this. God forbid the man make some money off of his flick. If someone doesn't want to pay inflated prices to see the flick wayyyy in advance, then they can wait til October and pay normal prices. What's the big deal?

Oh, yeah. It's because he just told all the online journalists he doesn't give a fuck what they think, and they just can't stand it.
He REWARDS his hardcore fans on a weekly basis with hours and hours of FREE podcasts. You seem to be really hung up on the monetary aspect of this. God forbid the man make some money off of his flick. If someone doesn't want to pay inflated prices to see the flick wayyyy in advance, then they can wait til October and pay normal prices. What's the big deal?

Oh, yeah. It's because he just told all the online journalists he doesn't give a fuck what they think, and they just can't stand it.
7:51PM on 01/27/2011
What you seemed to forget to mention is the prices for Red State/Q&A are not that different from the ticket prices for regular smith Q&A's, which used to run anywhere up to 7 hours, now usually have a 3 hour cap on it because the guys getting old. So figure Red State is going to be about 85-90 minutes, the show starts at 8pm, so that still leaves 90 minutes for Smith and Cast to chat afterwards. I personally don't see that being a bad deal for the ticket price. And remember THIS ISN'T THE
What you seemed to forget to mention is the prices for Red State/Q&A are not that different from the ticket prices for regular smith Q&A's, which used to run anywhere up to 7 hours, now usually have a 3 hour cap on it because the guys getting old. So figure Red State is going to be about 85-90 minutes, the show starts at 8pm, so that still leaves 90 minutes for Smith and Cast to chat afterwards. I personally don't see that being a bad deal for the ticket price. And remember THIS ISN'T THE OFFICIAL OPENING. When the film opens in October, it will be regular prices, so anyone whining about the prices now can just wait til then.
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7:16PM on 01/27/2011
Smith has never been a good film maker but his early stuff at least had heart. He's now a shadow of the promise he once had. Like so many artists, there is that one work that stands above all others, it's too bad that Smiths crown jewel thus far has only been as good as clerks.
Smith has never been a good film maker but his early stuff at least had heart. He's now a shadow of the promise he once had. Like so many artists, there is that one work that stands above all others, it's too bad that Smiths crown jewel thus far has only been as good as clerks.
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7:06PM on 01/27/2011
Good job Mr. The H. I couldn't have said it better myself. On a side note the movie isn't even screening in California which would be a HUGE market. Mallrats will always be my favorite Askewniverse flick and half of that reason is because I loved that marketing campaign. Magic eye posters, a badass soundtrack, the Drew Struzman poster and "featuring Jay & Silent Bob in color" ruled fall 95 for me and made my transition into the 7th grade a lot easier.
Good job Mr. The H. I couldn't have said it better myself. On a side note the movie isn't even screening in California which would be a HUGE market. Mallrats will always be my favorite Askewniverse flick and half of that reason is because I loved that marketing campaign. Magic eye posters, a badass soundtrack, the Drew Struzman poster and "featuring Jay & Silent Bob in color" ruled fall 95 for me and made my transition into the 7th grade a lot easier.
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7:04PM on 01/27/2011
Some of the things this article missed; Kevin Smith is now about as indie as Steven Spielberg, Sundance is a place for truly independent films to get a chance at finding distributors for a larger screening and Smith's antics took focus away from that...all for a douchey publicity stunt, and finally Mewes may have the drug problem, but Smith is the one acting like a crackhead in public for no good reason.
Some of the things this article missed; Kevin Smith is now about as indie as Steven Spielberg, Sundance is a place for truly independent films to get a chance at finding distributors for a larger screening and Smith's antics took focus away from that...all for a douchey publicity stunt, and finally Mewes may have the drug problem, but Smith is the one acting like a crackhead in public for no good reason.
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6:07PM on 01/27/2011

oh, and...

What is up with all of the pop-up windows on this site? It's incredibly annoying. I visit this site at least 3 times a day and I love it, but this dampens the whole experience. Is there anyway we can get you guys to cut that shit out?
What is up with all of the pop-up windows on this site? It's incredibly annoying. I visit this site at least 3 times a day and I love it, but this dampens the whole experience. Is there anyway we can get you guys to cut that shit out?
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7:10PM on 01/27/2011
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6:06PM on 01/27/2011

For the love of God...

I feel like this is another potshot from someone who's feet are dangling from the bandwagon. Kevin Smith is changing the model of cinema. He's helping to even-out the playing field for all us independents - or at least causing the bigwigs to pause and think for a moment. Also, people online said a lot of shitty things about Kevin. Really, personal attacks and he now won't give them the time of day, and rightfully so. Seeing that his living is essentially based on the web, I'd say he still has a
I feel like this is another potshot from someone who's feet are dangling from the bandwagon. Kevin Smith is changing the model of cinema. He's helping to even-out the playing field for all us independents - or at least causing the bigwigs to pause and think for a moment. Also, people online said a lot of shitty things about Kevin. Really, personal attacks and he now won't give them the time of day, and rightfully so. Seeing that his living is essentially based on the web, I'd say he still has a lot of love for us folks online, so stop playing the damn victim.
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6:00PM on 01/27/2011

Thank you!

I agree with this editorial. I think Smith has lost touch with what made him great in the first place. And to the people making nasty comments below, it's not that Kevin's doing something different, he's biting the hands that have fed him by overcharging them for admission to his (reportedly) not-so-great experiment of a movie. Sorry, but a personal visit by the man himself doesn't make up for ticket prices upwards of $100. I first realized something was amiss when all his Twitter updates
I agree with this editorial. I think Smith has lost touch with what made him great in the first place. And to the people making nasty comments below, it's not that Kevin's doing something different, he's biting the hands that have fed him by overcharging them for admission to his (reportedly) not-so-great experiment of a movie. Sorry, but a personal visit by the man himself doesn't make up for ticket prices upwards of $100. I first realized something was amiss when all his Twitter updates (hundreds a day) were so full of hate and cynicism, and everything I've seen from him since only compacts that. Sad, really.
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5:30PM on 01/27/2011

I agree

Great article Aaron, I am totally with you when it comes to the Artist Formerly Known as Kevin Smith. I've been saying for months now that Smith is a washed-up filmmaker (especially after Cop Out). He seems to only make things worse every time he opens his big fat mouth.

Are you really one of us any more Kevin? I'm leaning toward the negative...

Great article Aaron, I am totally with you when it comes to the Artist Formerly Known as Kevin Smith. I've been saying for months now that Smith is a washed-up filmmaker (especially after Cop Out). He seems to only make things worse every time he opens his big fat mouth.

Are you really one of us any more Kevin? I'm leaning toward the negative...

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4:37PM on 01/27/2011

Sigh...

Not sure how many times I need to repeat this, but for those who are "bashing" the site for posting this OPINION PIECE, allow me to re-iterate that it's...an OPINION PIECE! That's right! It's one man's opinion about what/where he thinks Kevin Smith went wrong with his career and how he should go about fixing it.

We've run a few of these before (for the Rock and Eddie Murphy, I believe) and we'll keep running them because that's what a FAN-SITE is all about. Opinions, debates, agreements,
Not sure how many times I need to repeat this, but for those who are "bashing" the site for posting this OPINION PIECE, allow me to re-iterate that it's...an OPINION PIECE! That's right! It's one man's opinion about what/where he thinks Kevin Smith went wrong with his career and how he should go about fixing it.

We've run a few of these before (for the Rock and Eddie Murphy, I believe) and we'll keep running them because that's what a FAN-SITE is all about. Opinions, debates, agreements, disagreements, etc...

Why can't folks just DEBATE the points and leave it at that? Why does it always have to turn into a "Well, you guys suck now!"

Lighten up, folks. It's movies, it's a hobby, it's supposed to be fun. Just relax and debate respectfully and the world will keep turning tomorrow...
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5:11PM on 01/27/2011
O'No guys the Principle is here; SKAT!!!, I'm just kidding, Joblo I couldn't resist saying that. Also I was one of the ones below just Debating below I promise, you can read it. I totally agree people are coming out guns loaded like this is fact.
O'No guys the Principle is here; SKAT!!!, I'm just kidding, Joblo I couldn't resist saying that. Also I was one of the ones below just Debating below I promise, you can read it. I totally agree people are coming out guns loaded like this is fact.
8:46PM on 01/27/2011
Amen Boss Man. People seem divided on my latest column, and that's precisely the way it should be. That's what film websites (and films, for that matter) are for. To provoke discussion. Not to divide and conquer.
Amen Boss Man. People seem divided on my latest column, and that's precisely the way it should be. That's what film websites (and films, for that matter) are for. To provoke discussion. Not to divide and conquer.
3:06PM on 01/27/2011

You have completely missed the point

Did you even read or watch what Kevin Smith's doing? Because this all sounds like it's written from several generations of hearsay.

Smith is simply using the resources that he has available to him (a shitload of Twitter and Facebook followers), to show that he can distribute a film without the reliance of major corporations that usually bury such small films. Yes, the tickets are more expensive (although $13.75 is rather typical nowadays. In most cases, it's actually CHEAP, depending on
Did you even read or watch what Kevin Smith's doing? Because this all sounds like it's written from several generations of hearsay.

Smith is simply using the resources that he has available to him (a shitload of Twitter and Facebook followers), to show that he can distribute a film without the reliance of major corporations that usually bury such small films. Yes, the tickets are more expensive (although $13.75 is rather typical nowadays. In most cases, it's actually CHEAP, depending on where you live, what time you're seeing the movie, and whether the movie is in IMAX and/or 3D.), but in addition to the film, you get the cast and crew to talk about the production. Smith himself already does these Q&A events and sells them out regularly for the same price. Why would it not work this time around when his fans get treated to a screening of his new film before the majority of the world gets to see it? At the end of the tour, the film will be released wide for regular price anyway.

Smith is simply experimenting with a new approach to possibly fix what is undeniably a broken system. Why should $20 million be spent on marketing for a film that cost only $4 million to make, thereby forcing the film to have to gross over five times it's budget ($24 million) just to break even?

You did not even mention Smith's plans to retire from directing after his next film so he could focus solely on film distribution, and assist in getting other low budget films to be seen wide. So that small films and filmmakers don't have to bank on the unlikely hope that their film gets picked up by a major studio.

This experiment is not out of spite to anyone, nor a way to scold the industry. It's an honest attempt to make it easier for young aspiring filmmakers to achieve their dreams as he did. And if you don't like how he lied to the studios that he was planning to sell it to them, what do you care? Don't you agree with Smith that the studios have lied to us film fans on countless occasions by putting out an awesome trailer for what turned out to be an awful film once we put our money down?

The man should be applauded for this. His heart is in the right place, as it has always been.
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3:12PM on 01/27/2011
You misread the $13.75. That's the Ticketmaster SURCHARGE. The full ticket prices START at $64.00. If Smith wants to release his films on his own, I have no problem with that. But trashing the rest of the industry in the process isn't necessary. And sure, the studios lie to us often. But Smith says his newest film is a fantastic too, how is that any different?
You misread the $13.75. That's the Ticketmaster SURCHARGE. The full ticket prices START at $64.00. If Smith wants to release his films on his own, I have no problem with that. But trashing the rest of the industry in the process isn't necessary. And sure, the studios lie to us often. But Smith says his newest film is a fantastic too, how is that any different?
5:55PM on 01/27/2011
I gotcha, I did misread the 13.75.

But Smith is not bashing anything. He's bluntly pointing out some of the many flaws in the industry model as it currently exists. And unlike most of us who sit at home, read sites, and do nothing but bitch about it, Smith is actually attempting a solution. It's consistent with what he's always done: Take action. While most people were sitting at home on the computer, wanting to make movies, but were too busy bitching about other films and filmmakers, Smith
I gotcha, I did misread the 13.75.

But Smith is not bashing anything. He's bluntly pointing out some of the many flaws in the industry model as it currently exists. And unlike most of us who sit at home, read sites, and do nothing but bitch about it, Smith is actually attempting a solution. It's consistent with what he's always done: Take action. While most people were sitting at home on the computer, wanting to make movies, but were too busy bitching about other films and filmmakers, Smith was out there making his movies. He was DOING it, not just talking about doing it. And let's face it, that's the reason most of the haters hate him.

He's not doing this for himself, he's doing it for other filmmakers. If this was all about him, he'd have sold RED STATE at Sundance for the hopeful $6 million, pocketed the $2 million profit, and then let the purchasing studio worry about recouping the 20+ million invested in marketing. But he didn't. He's willing bite the bullet if this doesn't pan out. He's taking a RISK. Something that no one does anymore. And why is he taking this risk? Not so he can keep all the profits of his films, but so he can assist other budding filmmakers in getting their small indie films in front of audiences. THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS EXPERIMENT: HELPING OTHER BUDDING FILMMAKERS!

And what's with the overwhelming sympathy for the industry all of the sudden? Especially coming from a site where all WE do is bitch about it. Now suddenly, when Kevin Smith, someone with clout has the balls to raise a stink over the broken system, and then attempts to do something about it, we suddenly cry foul?
2:48PM on 01/27/2011

Fuck off, Joblo

Cut the guy some slack. Trying something new usually takes some criticism, leave the guy alone and get back to reviewing movies like the old days... and trying NOT becoming a gossip rage. ( Which this site is surely becoming.)
Cut the guy some slack. Trying something new usually takes some criticism, leave the guy alone and get back to reviewing movies like the old days... and trying NOT becoming a gossip rage. ( Which this site is surely becoming.)
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3:45PM on 01/27/2011
Wow, you post that without noticing Joblo didn't write that article, nice one bud. Thanks for coming out.

Cut him some slack? How about he quits whining, which he's been doing since Jersey Girl bombed, and actaully put out something of value. And i even enjoy Zach and Miri.
Wow, you post that without noticing Joblo didn't write that article, nice one bud. Thanks for coming out.

Cut him some slack? How about he quits whining, which he's been doing since Jersey Girl bombed, and actaully put out something of value. And i even enjoy Zach and Miri.
4:17PM on 01/27/2011
This isn't anything NEW either.

Go watch Clerks 2 a couple hundred more times....
This isn't anything NEW either.

Go watch Clerks 2 a couple hundred more times....
4:23PM on 01/27/2011
Vesaker, "Joblo" is the name of the website. Bignoah87 is telling the website, "Joblo" to fuck off, not Joe himself.

And yes, this is new. Name the last time a director toured with a movie before releasing it into theaters?

I'm waiting.

Still waiting...
Vesaker, "Joblo" is the name of the website. Bignoah87 is telling the website, "Joblo" to fuck off, not Joe himself.

And yes, this is new. Name the last time a director toured with a movie before releasing it into theaters?

I'm waiting.

Still waiting...
4:46PM on 01/27/2011
"leave the guy alone and get back to reviewing movies like the old days"

That's pretty close to being directed at Joblo himself but whatev
"leave the guy alone and get back to reviewing movies like the old days"

That's pretty close to being directed at Joblo himself but whatev
4:51PM on 01/27/2011
@JayBro, it may not have happened in your lifetime, but indie directors used to tour with their films all the time.

Hell, fuckin' Gone With the Wind was original released one theater at a time.

Seriously, do your film history.
@JayBro, it may not have happened in your lifetime, but indie directors used to tour with their films all the time.

Hell, fuckin' Gone With the Wind was original released one theater at a time.

Seriously, do your film history.
2:08PM on 01/27/2011

New year

So last year JOBLO used the hate for M. Night to boost is readership by pandering to the morons.

Now in 2011 it seems to be pointing towards Kevin Smith. You can't complain about what hollywood is doing & then step on the people that try to change what Hollywood is doing.

Well unless hollywood pays your electric bill now. And you just pretend to hate Hollywood to get those cynical movie goers. Nahh that can't be it, can it?
So last year JOBLO used the hate for M. Night to boost is readership by pandering to the morons.

Now in 2011 it seems to be pointing towards Kevin Smith. You can't complain about what hollywood is doing & then step on the people that try to change what Hollywood is doing.

Well unless hollywood pays your electric bill now. And you just pretend to hate Hollywood to get those cynical movie goers. Nahh that can't be it, can it?
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2:14PM on 01/27/2011
Hey, thanks for reading.
Hey, thanks for reading.
12:57PM on 01/27/2011

Whew!

You said everything that was on my mind. Let's hope Kevin reads this and realizes it's time to go back to his roots...
You said everything that was on my mind. Let's hope Kevin reads this and realizes it's time to go back to his roots...
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12:42PM on 01/27/2011
i used to be a huge kevin smith fan. i went to see all his movies, relished his dialogue, read his comics and loved them. but slowly over the years that love turned to disappointment. i haven't seen many of his latest flicks and have no desire to really, they just don't look or feel the same. the seem, to me, to be made just to make something. hopefully red state will be great...but i have doubts.
i used to be a huge kevin smith fan. i went to see all his movies, relished his dialogue, read his comics and loved them. but slowly over the years that love turned to disappointment. i haven't seen many of his latest flicks and have no desire to really, they just don't look or feel the same. the seem, to me, to be made just to make something. hopefully red state will be great...but i have doubts.
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12:31PM on 01/27/2011
Smith may not be handling everything perfectly but in my opinion you can't really believe money is the motivator here. I mean the guy spends an enormous amount of time on his Smodcast podcasts that are free and funnier then some of his movies. I enjoy him and his point of view and will support him because of the laughs over the years.
Smith may not be handling everything perfectly but in my opinion you can't really believe money is the motivator here. I mean the guy spends an enormous amount of time on his Smodcast podcasts that are free and funnier then some of his movies. I enjoy him and his point of view and will support him because of the laughs over the years.
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12:39PM on 01/27/2011
No, check out his new Red Statements. He labors on for several paragraphs about how the reason he is doing this is because of how much $ you need to spend in Hollywood to turn a profit. Which is suspect because, he's never the one spending the money. However, he is also not the one MAKING the money. Now, if this endeavor succeeds, it all goes into his pockets...
No, check out his new Red Statements. He labors on for several paragraphs about how the reason he is doing this is because of how much $ you need to spend in Hollywood to turn a profit. Which is suspect because, he's never the one spending the money. However, he is also not the one MAKING the money. Now, if this endeavor succeeds, it all goes into his pockets...
12:14PM on 01/27/2011
Your whole letter seemed to miss the whole gist of what Kevin was getting at. During his Sundance speech I felt that here was a filmmaker who has had it with all the bullshit red tape that Hollywood keeps throwing at him. I salute Kevin Smith on everything he does and I am standing firmly and tall with him on this one. I am a die-hard Smith fan and this is the juncture that is going to separate his real fans from his 'sham' fans...peace!
Your whole letter seemed to miss the whole gist of what Kevin was getting at. During his Sundance speech I felt that here was a filmmaker who has had it with all the bullshit red tape that Hollywood keeps throwing at him. I salute Kevin Smith on everything he does and I am standing firmly and tall with him on this one. I am a die-hard Smith fan and this is the juncture that is going to separate his real fans from his 'sham' fans...peace!
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1:36PM on 01/27/2011
Wow, a die hard Kevin Smith fan taking an attitude like he's better than other people because of it.

Now, I've seen everything.
Wow, a die hard Kevin Smith fan taking an attitude like he's better than other people because of it.

Now, I've seen everything.
1:42PM on 01/27/2011
See what I don't get is why he has to create this mentality of "real" fans vs "sham" fans. Why cant we just take each film for what it is, instead of having to swear allegiance to any and everything he pumps out? No other filmmaker asks us to do that. They create their work, and let US be the judge.
See what I don't get is why he has to create this mentality of "real" fans vs "sham" fans. Why cant we just take each film for what it is, instead of having to swear allegiance to any and everything he pumps out? No other filmmaker asks us to do that. They create their work, and let US be the judge.
11:23AM on 01/27/2011

Silent Bob Rises

I love Kevin Smith. And I will probably always love him...Cop Out and all. I can't wait to see Red State and I don't mind paying a little extra if that means Mr. Smith will keep creating films. I'd love to see Mallrats 2 or another Jay & Bob road movie. Nugga Nooch!
I love Kevin Smith. And I will probably always love him...Cop Out and all. I can't wait to see Red State and I don't mind paying a little extra if that means Mr. Smith will keep creating films. I'd love to see Mallrats 2 or another Jay & Bob road movie. Nugga Nooch!
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11:21AM on 01/27/2011
Very well written my friend..... F*ck you Kevin Smith! I hope his whole spiel crashes and burns. And Hey I love the guy but it's tough love. He really needs to stop with the shenanigans and cut the shit...
Very well written my friend..... F*ck you Kevin Smith! I hope his whole spiel crashes and burns. And Hey I love the guy but it's tough love. He really needs to stop with the shenanigans and cut the shit...
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11:06AM on 01/27/2011

Kevin Smith

I watch and have went to one of Kevin Smith's Q&A's, and they are like 3 hours long and paid $35 for it. I enjoy his answers, and he is extremely funny. I have all his "Evening's with Kevin Smith" And enjoy the hell out of those. For the record, the reason Kevin Smith didn't write the Cop Out script was he was going threw a crisis when his Zack and Miri make a porno Flopped, and he started re-thinking things and change things up. But that left a huge scar on him, because he was so certain it
I watch and have went to one of Kevin Smith's Q&A's, and they are like 3 hours long and paid $35 for it. I enjoy his answers, and he is extremely funny. I have all his "Evening's with Kevin Smith" And enjoy the hell out of those. For the record, the reason Kevin Smith didn't write the Cop Out script was he was going threw a crisis when his Zack and Miri make a porno Flopped, and he started re-thinking things and change things up. But that left a huge scar on him, because he was so certain it was a sure-fire win, and it wasn't. As for making fun of P.T.Anderson, he kind of recants doing that because he met him later and he was a great guy. As for Tim Burton he did that as a Joke, and to get some press out of it. I like Kevin Smith and his Q&A's they are extremly enjoyable, and I assure you it won't be a no 20 minutes long it will be 2 plus hours long.
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12:42PM on 01/27/2011
So, what youre saying here is, his Q&As are great, and that they dont last 26 minutes, they last hours. You also said he badmouths other, more talented filmmakers without meeting them or "to get press". At what point in your argument do you talk about him making good films? Its all about him TALKING, and if he's good at that, fine, but then he should call a spade a spade and quit making films and just become a speaker.
So, what youre saying here is, his Q&As are great, and that they dont last 26 minutes, they last hours. You also said he badmouths other, more talented filmmakers without meeting them or "to get press". At what point in your argument do you talk about him making good films? Its all about him TALKING, and if he's good at that, fine, but then he should call a spade a spade and quit making films and just become a speaker.
1:18PM on 01/27/2011
Aaron, yes his Q&A's are awesome, if you have never seen his "an Evening with Kevin Smith, then you really don't know what some of the stuff behind what he said means. Not saying most of that is true. As for the words badmouth others I didn't say that I say he was making fun of them. Obviously P.T.Anderson didn't take it seriously because he met with him after, and they talked. As for Tim Burton this was at the time his Planet of the Apes movie and that was a steaming pile of Crap. As for
Aaron, yes his Q&A's are awesome, if you have never seen his "an Evening with Kevin Smith, then you really don't know what some of the stuff behind what he said means. Not saying most of that is true. As for the words badmouth others I didn't say that I say he was making fun of them. Obviously P.T.Anderson didn't take it seriously because he met with him after, and they talked. As for Tim Burton this was at the time his Planet of the Apes movie and that was a steaming pile of Crap. As for Kevin's Movies I enjoyed the hell out of Jersey Girl, when alot of people hated it. Also Jay & Silent Bob. But I enjoy his an Evening with Kevin Smith's alot aswell, I got alot more laughs out of that.
3:42PM on 01/27/2011
No offense but i think Aaron is still waiting for the bit how the Q&A being good means the movie will be or be worth the near $100 for admission. I mean shit you yourself said you went to a Q&A of his for $35, you really think Red State is going to be worth the extra $65?
No offense but i think Aaron is still waiting for the bit how the Q&A being good means the movie will be or be worth the near $100 for admission. I mean shit you yourself said you went to a Q&A of his for $35, you really think Red State is going to be worth the extra $65?
3:45PM on 01/27/2011
exactly what vesaker said. I never disputed Smith's ability to speak, he's a genius with words. It's just not worth the price he's asking, in my opinion. Of course, if others believe it is worth it, that's fully within their right and like I said in the piece, more power to him.
exactly what vesaker said. I never disputed Smith's ability to speak, he's a genius with words. It's just not worth the price he's asking, in my opinion. Of course, if others believe it is worth it, that's fully within their right and like I said in the piece, more power to him.
5:06PM on 01/27/2011
Alright vesaker and Aaron, I saw him in kansas city, the reason the price was $35, was because I was in the Nose Bleed section of the theater, but I could still hear him, and it was great. As for this Movie I can't vouch it because I havn't seen it, but I'm sure those tickets are because of the closer seats, I believe he is coming back to that same theater (I Think?), and that would explain the price difference, I know that the close seats were around $100 at that Q&A I went to. Here you are
Alright vesaker and Aaron, I saw him in kansas city, the reason the price was $35, was because I was in the Nose Bleed section of the theater, but I could still hear him, and it was great. As for this Movie I can't vouch it because I havn't seen it, but I'm sure those tickets are because of the closer seats, I believe he is coming back to that same theater (I Think?), and that would explain the price difference, I know that the close seats were around $100 at that Q&A I went to. Here you are getting a Movie and a Q&A, granted if it was me I would go there just for the Q&A, but I'm sure he will try to stay on the subject of this movie after its over.
6:10PM on 01/27/2011
heh i dunno man, Aaron said the tickets are starting at $64, usually it's the nose bleeds that are the starting price. I can just imagin what front row might cost, lol.
heh i dunno man, Aaron said the tickets are starting at $64, usually it's the nose bleeds that are the starting price. I can just imagin what front row might cost, lol.
6:25PM on 01/27/2011
hello, vesaker yeah I wasnt questioning the new prices infact with a little bit of research I found it here you go. Kansas City midland page: [link]
hello, vesaker yeah I wasnt questioning the new prices infact with a little bit of research I found it here you go. Kansas City midland page: [link]
8:44PM on 01/27/2011
so there ya go, if ya want to look at it as spending $35 to watch him speak, then you're paying $30 for the movie. But my main point here is, if this IS about independent film, why are we all talking about the Q&A? Because he's made that the focus, that's why. Ya dont see J.Lo throwing concerts at her movie screenings, she separates the two careers because they're totally different entities.

Yep, I just used J.Lo as an example. Oye.
so there ya go, if ya want to look at it as spending $35 to watch him speak, then you're paying $30 for the movie. But my main point here is, if this IS about independent film, why are we all talking about the Q&A? Because he's made that the focus, that's why. Ya dont see J.Lo throwing concerts at her movie screenings, she separates the two careers because they're totally different entities.

Yep, I just used J.Lo as an example. Oye.
10:59AM on 01/27/2011

Double Post

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10:59AM on 01/27/2011

I wouldn't worry about it.

You're right- Smith is having a very public mid-career crises. I think this is his way of kicking himself for getting involved in a film like Cop Out that had no business being made and he had less business directing.
Let him do this super-indie "fuck you" movie Red State, then lets see if maybe "Hit Somebody" is a return to form- not looking too good. I really don't like that cast.
Smith needs to take some time off, roll around in his money, get bored and then go back to what he does best-
You're right- Smith is having a very public mid-career crises. I think this is his way of kicking himself for getting involved in a film like Cop Out that had no business being made and he had less business directing.
Let him do this super-indie "fuck you" movie Red State, then lets see if maybe "Hit Somebody" is a return to form- not looking too good. I really don't like that cast.
Smith needs to take some time off, roll around in his money, get bored and then go back to what he does best- raunchy, philosophical romantic comedies.
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10:51AM on 01/27/2011

i like Kevin Smith

I'm from the town where he's from and i love his movies. He's a local hero to alot of people here. I always say if you wanna see what people from New Jersey are like, watch Clerks, not Jersey Shore. Most of his movies are good but i think he's just gotten full of himself. He should take a step back and do something small again, really small.
I'm from the town where he's from and i love his movies. He's a local hero to alot of people here. I always say if you wanna see what people from New Jersey are like, watch Clerks, not Jersey Shore. Most of his movies are good but i think he's just gotten full of himself. He should take a step back and do something small again, really small.
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10:24AM on 01/27/2011
You left out talking shit about people w/ infinitely more talent. P.T.Anderson and Tim Burton to name just a few. Smith's hate-spewing bitteness (and weight) will only worsen as he continually fails to convince anybody in the universe other than himself that he's really THAT smart or talented.
You left out talking shit about people w/ infinitely more talent. P.T.Anderson and Tim Burton to name just a few. Smith's hate-spewing bitteness (and weight) will only worsen as he continually fails to convince anybody in the universe other than himself that he's really THAT smart or talented.
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10:17AM on 01/27/2011

I disagree

Let me start out by saying I am not a die hard Kevin Smith fan. I've seen Clerks once, I thought it was okay. I liked Dogma. Never seen Chasing Amy. But honestly? I think he's in the right here. Regardless of how personally everyone seems to be taking how he's going about this.

For anyone who read this article, especially Aaron, I would ask that you read Kevin's article on The Red Statements (dotcom) and tell me he doesn't have his heart in the right place here. We movie fans bitch and bitch
Let me start out by saying I am not a die hard Kevin Smith fan. I've seen Clerks once, I thought it was okay. I liked Dogma. Never seen Chasing Amy. But honestly? I think he's in the right here. Regardless of how personally everyone seems to be taking how he's going about this.

For anyone who read this article, especially Aaron, I would ask that you read Kevin's article on The Red Statements (dotcom) and tell me he doesn't have his heart in the right place here. We movie fans bitch and bitch about the film industry and how much it fucks over the little guy, and then when someone does something about it he gets buried.
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12:45PM on 01/27/2011
I read the Red Statements before publishing this. Why would he labor on for so long about how much $ needs to be spent and how hard it is to turn a PROFIT, when he's never the one ponying up the money anyways- it's not his problem to worry about! What he not-so-subtly hints at is that even though he doesnt put up the $, he also doesn't pocket it. This new method of his, the money will likely go straight into his pockets. Cha-ching.
I read the Red Statements before publishing this. Why would he labor on for so long about how much $ needs to be spent and how hard it is to turn a PROFIT, when he's never the one ponying up the money anyways- it's not his problem to worry about! What he not-so-subtly hints at is that even though he doesnt put up the $, he also doesn't pocket it. This new method of his, the money will likely go straight into his pockets. Cha-ching.
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10:16AM on 01/27/2011

Great piece

Nice job Aaron. Smith should just go back to basics and shoot a low budget comedy
Nice job Aaron. Smith should just go back to basics and shoot a low budget comedy
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9:57AM on 01/27/2011

Great...

article. Kevin Smith is one of my favorite personalities in tinseltown, yet he seems to have sold out, yet when he speaks he seems not to have sold out. But isn't the point of this business making money? Isn't that what he's doing? Dont sweat the guy too much, I hope he reads it and realises how his fans are begining to perceive him. I really hope that 'Red State' is a good movie.
article. Kevin Smith is one of my favorite personalities in tinseltown, yet he seems to have sold out, yet when he speaks he seems not to have sold out. But isn't the point of this business making money? Isn't that what he's doing? Dont sweat the guy too much, I hope he reads it and realises how his fans are begining to perceive him. I really hope that 'Red State' is a good movie.
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9:55AM on 01/27/2011

Fantastic

Well written, thought provoking and very true. Keep up the good work, man.
Well written, thought provoking and very true. Keep up the good work, man.
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9:54AM on 01/27/2011

Very well done

Kodos sir. Your points are valid and true. I still have love for Kevin Smith but it isn't as rabid as it used to be. I would normally be out to see his movies first night. I completely skipped Cop Out. He surely needs to bet back to what he once was.
Kodos sir. Your points are valid and true. I still have love for Kevin Smith but it isn't as rabid as it used to be. I would normally be out to see his movies first night. I completely skipped Cop Out. He surely needs to bet back to what he once was.
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9:53AM on 01/27/2011

But seriously...

...film-making aside, the guy needs to lose at least 120 lbs. Jesus Christ. I can't respect anybody with the type of resources he has to let himself get that fat.
...film-making aside, the guy needs to lose at least 120 lbs. Jesus Christ. I can't respect anybody with the type of resources he has to let himself get that fat.
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1:18PM on 01/27/2011
I know eh, i mean just look at what Peter Jackson did for himself!
I know eh, i mean just look at what Peter Jackson did for himself!
1:46PM on 01/27/2011
Nice, fat guys on the internet - unite to give me 1,000,000 thumbs down.

Seriously - if you could afford to have a personal chef and a trainer, there's no need to be morbidly obese. I mean, there's fat, and then there's so damn fat it drives everybody else's insurance premiums up.

But yeah - I'm an asshole for not showing roly-poly the love. Enjoy your ho-hos and mountain dew, and don't forget to give me a thumbs down.
Nice, fat guys on the internet - unite to give me 1,000,000 thumbs down.

Seriously - if you could afford to have a personal chef and a trainer, there's no need to be morbidly obese. I mean, there's fat, and then there's so damn fat it drives everybody else's insurance premiums up.

But yeah - I'm an asshole for not showing roly-poly the love. Enjoy your ho-hos and mountain dew, and don't forget to give me a thumbs down.
2:59PM on 01/27/2011
You can't respect fat people?

I'm not fat, hell I'm a long way off off fat, but it sounds extremely shallow to say you can't respect a guy because he's rich AND fat.

So what? Who cares? I wish he'd lose weight mainly for his own personal health, sure, but I'm not going to go out and say I don't respect the guy because he's fat. He seems happy, his wife seems happy, his daughter seems happy, he has a successful career, an abundance of fans... I'd think he pretty happy. I can't see how his
You can't respect fat people?

I'm not fat, hell I'm a long way off off fat, but it sounds extremely shallow to say you can't respect a guy because he's rich AND fat.

So what? Who cares? I wish he'd lose weight mainly for his own personal health, sure, but I'm not going to go out and say I don't respect the guy because he's fat. He seems happy, his wife seems happy, his daughter seems happy, he has a successful career, an abundance of fans... I'd think he pretty happy. I can't see how his weight enters into it.

I don't understand how the man can eat enough to get that big in the first place, granted, but it's not as if the guy was ever small, and clearly he's going to get more complacent as he gets older in life as everyone does.
3:32PM on 01/27/2011
Let me make it crystal clear: I do not respect morbidly obese people. Double that for morbidly obese people who have the money and resources to change it with relative ease (relative to people who don't have those resources.)

Call me shallow, random internet poster; I'll try to find a way to sleep at night. Somebody with that type of resources at their disposal? No, I don't respect him for letting himself go like that. He's not fat - he's morbidly obese. That takes work, a commitment to
Let me make it crystal clear: I do not respect morbidly obese people. Double that for morbidly obese people who have the money and resources to change it with relative ease (relative to people who don't have those resources.)

Call me shallow, random internet poster; I'll try to find a way to sleep at night. Somebody with that type of resources at their disposal? No, I don't respect him for letting himself go like that. He's not fat - he's morbidly obese. That takes work, a commitment to being as hedonistic and selfish and greedy as you can get. That's a 6K calorie a day body he's rocking right there. If he was punching a clock on a daily grind, I'd say he was making bad choices, but couldn't pull himself out of it - but he's not. The only reason why he's that big is because he doesn't care not to be.

Chances are, if he doesn't lose that weight, he'll die young, and leave that happy family prematurely. But you know, having a large meat-lover's pizza every night is more important than that.

There's plenty of accomplished people out there with loving families, who don't weigh 3 large. I'll save my respect for them.
4:11PM on 01/27/2011
Ha, Ha! Fat!
Ha, Ha! Fat!
4:32PM on 01/27/2011
Actually, he's back to just being fat. You can see it in the vid of him at Sundace...
Actually, he's back to just being fat. You can see it in the vid of him at Sundace...
6:07PM on 01/27/2011
Yeah, the words "shallow" and "douche" come to mind. I'm sure you felt that way about Orson Wells and Marlon Brando, too.
Yeah, the words "shallow" and "douche" come to mind. I'm sure you felt that way about Orson Wells and Marlon Brando, too.
10:52AM on 01/28/2011
Yeah, actually that's exactly the way I feel about them. Really - you had a lot of respect for end of career, batshit, tipping the scales at 400 pounds Marlon Brando? Cheers to you.

Unlike some people, I can divorce the artist from his work. So while I may chuckle at some of his overrated movies, I don't have to hold him in high esteem. Much in the same way I can think Chinatown is an amazing movie, but think Polanski is fucking asshole. If that concept, or my feelings about people
Yeah, actually that's exactly the way I feel about them. Really - you had a lot of respect for end of career, batshit, tipping the scales at 400 pounds Marlon Brando? Cheers to you.

Unlike some people, I can divorce the artist from his work. So while I may chuckle at some of his overrated movies, I don't have to hold him in high esteem. Much in the same way I can think Chinatown is an amazing movie, but think Polanski is fucking asshole. If that concept, or my feelings about people wallowing in corpulent gluttony is something you can't handle, guess what? I don't really care.

Yeah, the words "basement dwelling fanboy" come to mind.
9:49AM on 01/27/2011
Very well said. Your points are very spot on. I wish Smith would be the nice Kevin Smith back when he first started with Mallrats and Chasing Amy. I didn't watch Cop Out (regardless of how much I love Bruce Willis). Please make a great comeback, Mr. Smith.
Very well said. Your points are very spot on. I wish Smith would be the nice Kevin Smith back when he first started with Mallrats and Chasing Amy. I didn't watch Cop Out (regardless of how much I love Bruce Willis). Please make a great comeback, Mr. Smith.
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9:47AM on 01/27/2011
Very well said. Your points are very spot on. I wish Smith would be the nice Kevin Smith back when he first started with Mallrats and Chasing Amy. I didn't watch Cop Out (regardless of how much I love Bruce Willis). Please make a great comeback, Mr. Smith.
Very well said. Your points are very spot on. I wish Smith would be the nice Kevin Smith back when he first started with Mallrats and Chasing Amy. I didn't watch Cop Out (regardless of how much I love Bruce Willis). Please make a great comeback, Mr. Smith.
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9:37AM on 01/27/2011
Very well said. Your points are very spot on. I wish Smith would be the nice Kevin Smith back when he first started with Mallrats and Chasing Amy. I didn't watch Cop Out (regardless of how much I love Bruce Willis). Please make a great comeback, Mr. Smith.
Very well said. Your points are very spot on. I wish Smith would be the nice Kevin Smith back when he first started with Mallrats and Chasing Amy. I didn't watch Cop Out (regardless of how much I love Bruce Willis). Please make a great comeback, Mr. Smith.
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9:36AM on 01/27/2011
I used to defend every word he said! Now I just want to sit back and listen to what people can sling at him because as a fanboy myself, I can see that even if he wont admit it Kevin Smith is just like another Hollywood suit doing anything he wants and expects a positive reaction to it. I like his films, but as a person I wouldn't stop to say hello I would point out that there is a "used to be cool filmmaker" over there, and move on to my destination.
I used to defend every word he said! Now I just want to sit back and listen to what people can sling at him because as a fanboy myself, I can see that even if he wont admit it Kevin Smith is just like another Hollywood suit doing anything he wants and expects a positive reaction to it. I like his films, but as a person I wouldn't stop to say hello I would point out that there is a "used to be cool filmmaker" over there, and move on to my destination.
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9:25AM on 01/27/2011
Wonderfully written. It's about time Kevin's fans admit to themselves that Kevin is about as much an indie filmmaker as George Lucas is. Who gives a fuck what he did in the past? What counts is now and today's Kevin Smith is a corporate tool masquerading as an indie auteur just to save face for his fanbase who continue pumping his personal economy and keeping him in cheeseburgers. Kevin Smith shit all over the indie filmmaking industry during Sundance, and I don't see how anyone can agree with
Wonderfully written. It's about time Kevin's fans admit to themselves that Kevin is about as much an indie filmmaker as George Lucas is. Who gives a fuck what he did in the past? What counts is now and today's Kevin Smith is a corporate tool masquerading as an indie auteur just to save face for his fanbase who continue pumping his personal economy and keeping him in cheeseburgers. Kevin Smith shit all over the indie filmmaking industry during Sundance, and I don't see how anyone can agree with what he did. No way will I pay 50-60 dollars to watch a movie of questionable quality with a lecture from a fat guy who will whine for two hours about his martyr complex. You're not Jesus Christ Kevin. I'll leave that for the delusional fans who still think of you as a golden god.
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9:15AM on 01/27/2011

Yep

Once art and music become more about the artist and less about the art, it's over.
Once art and music become more about the artist and less about the art, it's over.
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8:52AM on 01/27/2011

Harsh but true

That was quite a read Aaron, but very well thought out and reasonable. I love the Smith, but also don't like the way he is going at the mo. Good work, and I hope Kevin reads it and lets it soak in rather than rant about it.
That was quite a read Aaron, but very well thought out and reasonable. I love the Smith, but also don't like the way he is going at the mo. Good work, and I hope Kevin reads it and lets it soak in rather than rant about it.
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8:52AM on 01/27/2011
Fuck Kevin Smith. I used to be a big fan but his actions in the past years have made loathe him so much as to not care about any product he puts out. His time is over and its his own damn fault.
Fuck Kevin Smith. I used to be a big fan but his actions in the past years have made loathe him so much as to not care about any product he puts out. His time is over and its his own damn fault.
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