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Face-Off: Avengers vs. Dark Knight Rises (Part 2)

Jul. 26, 2012by: Paul Huffman
Batman Begins and The Dark Knight went head to head in last week's Face Off, and just as I personally predicted, the race was as close as any with The Dark Knight pulling out a victory by a hair. Both films are masterpieces for different reasons so I don't think anybody would have been surprised if the final fan verdict went the other way.

Before The Avengers was released, I threw together a Face-Off between Avengers and Dark Knight Rises focusing on which blockbuster our readers anticipated the most. The Dark Knight has risen and it's time for the sequel to match up. In my humble opinion, both films lived up to their enormous hype, but do you agree? Which film did better in living up to its potential in your eyes? Before we get started, let's acknowledge that some think these movies shouldn't be compared, they're two different types of films, etc.. Very true. Our mission here is to discover which approach tickled your fancy the most. Let's get cracking.
Tone
Fans rejoiced in the splendid nature of The Avengers. A big part of the praise the film received is how much it felt like a comic book film. Joss Whedon knew what this franchise had to be, and he stayed true to it. With the way each of these individual characters have already been developed, there was little room for the dark and gritty style Nolan made so popular with his Batman series. The Avengers showed us that we all still crave the fun, larger than life, thrill ride that has little to do with confronting the human condition. Bravo Joss, I hope you return to the chair to keep the feel of this film going.
Out of all of Nolan's Batman film, this one definitely translated to being the most out of this world. We got the inclusion of Batsy's aerial toy, the return of the Bat Cave, some of the action beats, etc. That aside, Nolan didn't stray from the formula that made these films so successful, the realism and the gritty feel was there front and center. The liberated Gotham with the snow fall to compliment it was beautiful to look at. I considered giving the edge to TDKR in this category, but both these films gave me infinite amounts of entertainment for very different reasons so I feel both deserve love for their cinematic approach.
Action
Holy shite this film didn't let up when it came to its action beats did it? Also answer me this question, how does a movie that has breathtaking action sequences as its backbone manage to not disappoint on the character development front as well? Sure we had solo films to get to know these characters, but they become even more fleshed out here, while having time to properly develop some new characters along the way. Leaving ample time for Hulk to smash in the air and on the ground, leaving ample time for shoot outs and hand to hand combat, leaving ample time for New York to be ravaged but ultimately saved. With plenty of time to spare for comedic beats we all appreciated oh so much in between.
Everyone knows these films were ultimately more about character study than balls to the wall action sequences, but this one, like the first two films still managed to deliver those goods as well. Batman's first confrontation with Bane was short but oh so damn sweet! When Bane got to what he was doing Gotham we got a beautifully put together sequence accompanied by a "beautiful singing voice." That said, the pace of this film was slower, the action beats not as plentiful as that of Avengers, to make room for that aforementioned character studying that Nolan is so famous for. To be honest, you won't get any complaints here.
Villain
We got our introduction to Loki in Thor's stand alone film but you know what, he shined in his second run for Avengers. We get more of him and more time to get a real sense of his unbelievably loathing for his brother and all the beings he feels are so beneath him. The credit must go to Tom Hiddleston for his performance and how much fun he has with the character, I like my villains to be sarcastic snarky assholes who know how to crack a joke every once in a while and that is Loki in a nutshell. He managed to come back from the ass whoopin he received in Thor and nearly break the spirits of our beloved team before they ever got a chance to get off the ground, and though thwarted, the dudes immortal...so he lives to fight another day.
So much anticipation and debate went into whether Tom Hardy as Bane would be a worthy successor to the iconic villain Heath Ledger created in The Joker. Well all is said and done, and while I don't think Bane was as charismatic or as menacing as The Joker, he held his own and definitely had a presence and a way of carrying himself that made a formidable foe for the Bat. I had a hard time understanding him at times but for most of the dialogue that came out loud and clear I dug. Now I won't spoil anything, but for those who have seen the film, am I alone in being someone disappointed by how his character was concluded? It left a lot to be desired. But that's just me.
Female Presence
Beautiful, feisty, intelligent, and can hold her own in a fight. I was pleasantly surprised how much screen time we got for The Black Widow , she was really well developed here, and Scarlett Johansson portrayed her perfectly. Her introduction was perfect, her mind games with Loki were great, how shaken up she got due to her confrontation with Hulk was powerful, and I really appreciate the tease we got at a backstory that I wouldn't mind being explored in a solo film for more of an opportunity to see her rock her...erm...battle armor. I can't forget to mention Pepper Potts and those lovely shorts.
I've talked to people that were confident in Anne Hathaway's ability to bring Catwoman to life, and people that were very apprehensive about her ability. Where do I stand? She nailed it, I daresay she was one of the two standouts in this film as far as nailing her character and overall performance in the film period. Her shining moment was her introduction as she quickly transitioned from a totally different character into our sassy Selina Kyle, and she never let up with the charisma. Some people may question how integral she really is to the particular story told in this film, but why question it the film was improved with her presence. SIDE NOTE: She really knew how to tease in that outfit. I mean hot damn.
Performances
We have seen the way this wonderful ensemble portray their respective characters in their solo movies, the treat we got in this film was the extensive interaction we got from this talented group of actors. They played off each other brilliantly when it came to the lightheartedness, but you also felt the weight of their early tension. You got the sense all these people were happy to finally get to this and they all brought their A game, even Sam Jackson and Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson had more meat to chew on here. My only wish is Jeremy Renner would have had more of an opportunity to shine, but that's for the inevitable sequel.
Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle and Michael Caine as Alfred (that performance came out of nowhere) were the standouts this time around in my eyes. Caine and Hathaway stole every single scene they were in, with Caine actually moving me to tears a couple times. One pivotal scene between Gary Oldman and JGL sent chills up my spine as well. Tom Hardy as Bane won me over, if his job was to be menacing and come off as a complete badass, he definitely succeeded. Marion Coltiard didn't have much to do, but she definitely lit up the screen when she was around. Long story short, remember those tears I brought up earlier? I haven't shed tears during a film in a while, so bravo Michael Caine, you've given the edge to TDKR here.
Overall
Avengers came alone and like many had suspected it would knocked our socks right off, it's rare something this big and anticipated lives up to fans expectations but it did that and then some. All the elements were there, the action, the humor, chemistry between our main players, the intriguing villain, etc. The main thing I appreciated here is what I thought was going to be the hardest to pull off, giving every character the proper screentime...needless to say that fear was put to bed. Future installments have never been more inevitable, and my excitement for many of them couldn't be higher. Avengers assembled, indeed.
Some of the people I've talked to have compared The Dark Knight to Empire Strikes Back and TDKR to that of Return of the Jedi. I would have to say I agree with that assessment, in my opinion The Dark Knight was the masterpiece of this trilogy, with even holding Batman Begins to a bit of a higher level. But does that mean this film isn't a work of art on its own merits? Hell no. It was a very fitting conclusion to this trilogy and nobody could have done it better than Nolan. Thanks to how good this film managed to be going up against Dark Knight, the trilogy AS A WHOLE will become legendary.
Avengers
So there it is folks, I have a feeling some will agree with this assessment, some will call me crazy. The Avengers rocked my world and left me wanting more right then and there during the credits, TDKR gave me the closure to this series that I needed, but I did ultimately feel that Avengers was the better film this summer. Do you agree? Strike back below!

If you have an idea that you'd like to see in a future FACE OFF column, feel free to shoot an email to me at paulhuffman@joblo.com with your ideas and some ideas for the critique to base your ideas off. Thank you and in the meantime...

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6:11PM on 07/28/2012

This has to be one of the hardest face-offs ever

2 great movies that I enjoyed for different reasons. The Avengers was exactly what I wanted to be, which was slam bang action with a good story. The Dark Knight Rises was the best 3rd entry to a trilogy since Return of The King in my mind. II enjoyed it for the drama as well as the action and it had the feel of a graphic novel come to life. I'm going with TDKR on this one just because I feel it holds more weight and it ties up the trilogy as well as you would want it to.
2 great movies that I enjoyed for different reasons. The Avengers was exactly what I wanted to be, which was slam bang action with a good story. The Dark Knight Rises was the best 3rd entry to a trilogy since Return of The King in my mind. II enjoyed it for the drama as well as the action and it had the feel of a graphic novel come to life. I'm going with TDKR on this one just because I feel it holds more weight and it ties up the trilogy as well as you would want it to.
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8:20AM on 07/28/2012

The Dark Knight Rises FTW

I really liked Avengers, hell I enjoyed it as fuck, but at the end of the day it didn't give me anything more than that. TDKR not only entertained me as much but it also moved me in a way that the Avengers never could. I could give you an entire review to give my opinion but I could sum it up by the use of the atomic weapon in both movies: in the Avengers I never felt any dread in that scene, everything was obvious, while in TDKR that scene was as much of an impact as the blast itself would be.
I really liked Avengers, hell I enjoyed it as fuck, but at the end of the day it didn't give me anything more than that. TDKR not only entertained me as much but it also moved me in a way that the Avengers never could. I could give you an entire review to give my opinion but I could sum it up by the use of the atomic weapon in both movies: in the Avengers I never felt any dread in that scene, everything was obvious, while in TDKR that scene was as much of an impact as the blast itself would be. It was devastating, it was beautiful, it was perfect.
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4:32AM on 07/28/2012

SOMEONE SAID IT!!!

I love both movies... But I agree. The Dark Knight Rises was great and gave me the ending I wanted. BUT Avengers blew me away. I was literally SHOCKED by how much I liked the movie. It should be an 8 but damnit I would be hypocritical if I gave it anything less than a 10. That is how much joy I got. TDKR lived up to my expectations, Avengers surpassed them!
I love both movies... But I agree. The Dark Knight Rises was great and gave me the ending I wanted. BUT Avengers blew me away. I was literally SHOCKED by how much I liked the movie. It should be an 8 but damnit I would be hypocritical if I gave it anything less than a 10. That is how much joy I got. TDKR lived up to my expectations, Avengers surpassed them!
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7:34PM on 07/27/2012
Where Joss Whedon gave us a perfect superhero adventure and a great movie, Christopher Nolan awed us with a timeless epic !
Where Joss Whedon gave us a perfect superhero adventure and a great movie, Christopher Nolan awed us with a timeless epic !
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11:34PM on 07/27/2012
Timeless is the key word. Nice one!
Timeless is the key word. Nice one!
4:03PM on 07/27/2012
Just got from the cinema for the second time, and i freaking loved what Nolan AND ZIMMER did with TDKR. Everybody is giving Nolan the credit for making one of the greatest trilogys ever, but Hans Zimmer is a fucking god. The things Avengers didnt have, TDKR did: Badass Sountrack and great characters.
Just got from the cinema for the second time, and i freaking loved what Nolan AND ZIMMER did with TDKR. Everybody is giving Nolan the credit for making one of the greatest trilogys ever, but Hans Zimmer is a fucking god. The things Avengers didnt have, TDKR did: Badass Sountrack and great characters.
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3:56PM on 07/27/2012

the avengers all the way

no contest,it had better action,better special fx,better characters,a better villain,better writting thanks to whedon and it was way more entertaining and showed how a superhero movie should be.To me it's the ultimate summer blockbuster of the new decade and kicks every other superhero movies ass.
P.S:I agree bane went out like a punk,i was expecting a better death like from batman or gordon but not fuckin skinny ass catwoman,what the fuck was that,everyone here has seen the movie obviously so
no contest,it had better action,better special fx,better characters,a better villain,better writting thanks to whedon and it was way more entertaining and showed how a superhero movie should be.To me it's the ultimate summer blockbuster of the new decade and kicks every other superhero movies ass.
P.S:I agree bane went out like a punk,i was expecting a better death like from batman or gordon but not fuckin skinny ass catwoman,what the fuck was that,everyone here has seen the movie obviously so don't complain about spoilers.
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3:15PM on 07/27/2012

Avengers for me.

I thought TDKR was great, but not quite a masterpiece. The Avengers succeeded my expectations and then some.
I thought TDKR was great, but not quite a masterpiece. The Avengers succeeded my expectations and then some.
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3:11PM on 07/27/2012

The Avengers

For real. TDKR was actually a bad movie. You may like it now, but when you go back and see it again you won't like it. I promise. The Avengers was straight up entertainment with half of the plot holes, bad acting, and bad dialogue. Easy choice.
For real. TDKR was actually a bad movie. You may like it now, but when you go back and see it again you won't like it. I promise. The Avengers was straight up entertainment with half of the plot holes, bad acting, and bad dialogue. Easy choice.
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2:18PM on 07/27/2012
I'm a pretty big Bat-fan. I think The Avengers was great, and had I not been drunk when I saw it probably would've liked it more. "The Dark Knight" trilogy will always win simply because it has a lot more to say. The only Marvel movie I've seen that had any weight was actually :"Captain America". I like the Marvel movies (except "Thor") but they never had an impact on me the way Chris Nolan's Batman films did. This is obviously just my opinion.
I'm a pretty big Bat-fan. I think The Avengers was great, and had I not been drunk when I saw it probably would've liked it more. "The Dark Knight" trilogy will always win simply because it has a lot more to say. The only Marvel movie I've seen that had any weight was actually :"Captain America". I like the Marvel movies (except "Thor") but they never had an impact on me the way Chris Nolan's Batman films did. This is obviously just my opinion.
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11:06AM on 07/27/2012

Performances

"Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle and Michael Caine as Alfred (that performance came out of nowhere) were the standouts this time around in my eyes." - I think this was Christian Bale's best performance. Caine was great and should be considered for a supporting actor Oscar.
"Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle and Michael Caine as Alfred (that performance came out of nowhere) were the standouts this time around in my eyes." - I think this was Christian Bale's best performance. Caine was great and should be considered for a supporting actor Oscar.
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2:11AM on 07/27/2012
AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!!!
AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!!!
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11:58PM on 07/26/2012

I agree.

While I really enjoyed TDKR, I was a little disappointed overall. I thought it was really good, but there was something underwhelming about it, especially following the first two, which were pitch perfect. The Avengers, however, lived up to, if wasn't better than, just about every Marvel film leading up to it. I can't disagree that the performances, tone, and female presence in TDKR were very powerful, but as far as overall, I think Avengers wins this one.
While I really enjoyed TDKR, I was a little disappointed overall. I thought it was really good, but there was something underwhelming about it, especially following the first two, which were pitch perfect. The Avengers, however, lived up to, if wasn't better than, just about every Marvel film leading up to it. I can't disagree that the performances, tone, and female presence in TDKR were very powerful, but as far as overall, I think Avengers wins this one.
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10:53PM on 07/26/2012

Too Soon

Way too soon to have this poll, The Dark Knight Rises will be out for a total of one week as of tomorrow. Not everyone has had the opportunity to watch the film. On top of that, i understand that both films are being compared because they are comic book films, but they really shouldn't be. TDKR had much depth to it, much emotion went into us, where ass The Avengers was a great popcorn flick, a great time at the movies, good laughs no real depth or weight to it. For me i enjoyed the
Way too soon to have this poll, The Dark Knight Rises will be out for a total of one week as of tomorrow. Not everyone has had the opportunity to watch the film. On top of that, i understand that both films are being compared because they are comic book films, but they really shouldn't be. TDKR had much depth to it, much emotion went into us, where ass The Avengers was a great popcorn flick, a great time at the movies, good laughs no real depth or weight to it. For me i enjoyed the TDKR's a lot more then the Avengers, but both were good films in their own right.
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10:18PM on 07/26/2012

Yes thank you!

Look, I found TDKR to be a mess and disappointing. The female presence and performance definitely go to TDKR, if you put cinematography or music it would have won those too. As a whole Avengers was much more enjoyable and as a comic geek it gave me way more nerdgasms. Completely agree.
Look, I found TDKR to be a mess and disappointing. The female presence and performance definitely go to TDKR, if you put cinematography or music it would have won those too. As a whole Avengers was much more enjoyable and as a comic geek it gave me way more nerdgasms. Completely agree.
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9:38PM on 07/26/2012

Mostly agree...

I agree that The Avengers was the better movie of the two (though a close race, in my opinion, and I enjoyed both immensely), I disagree that Loki should have won in the villain category. Tom Hardy as Bane was outstanding and I believe he deserves the nod here. We've seen Loki in action before, and although Tom Hiddleston does a great job, Hardy reinterpreted the character of Bane and made him not only the best version of the character I've seen in any media, but also a truly menacing villain
I agree that The Avengers was the better movie of the two (though a close race, in my opinion, and I enjoyed both immensely), I disagree that Loki should have won in the villain category. Tom Hardy as Bane was outstanding and I believe he deserves the nod here. We've seen Loki in action before, and although Tom Hiddleston does a great job, Hardy reinterpreted the character of Bane and made him not only the best version of the character I've seen in any media, but also a truly menacing villain that actually makes you feel afraid for the hero. Sidenote: I've just got to say that in any event, it's been a great summer for fans of comic book films.
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9:24PM on 07/26/2012

No way, TDKR all the way

I was honestly somewhat disappointed by TDKR and consider it the weakest of the Nolan Bat films, possibly the weakest Nolan film overall. But there is no way the Avengers is a better film (and I enjoyed the hell out of the Avengers and consider it the best of the Marvel films). But, Loki a better villain than Bane? Please.
I was honestly somewhat disappointed by TDKR and consider it the weakest of the Nolan Bat films, possibly the weakest Nolan film overall. But there is no way the Avengers is a better film (and I enjoyed the hell out of the Avengers and consider it the best of the Marvel films). But, Loki a better villain than Bane? Please.
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8:40PM on 07/26/2012

AVENGERS landslide win

Avengers is many times better than TDKR.Tdkr is a huge disappointment.i've got a feeling of watchin a disaster during the icy post-apocalyptic,anarchy episodes in TDKR.ending of Bane is meh.nolan's worst film,IMO.
Avengers is many times better than TDKR.Tdkr is a huge disappointment.i've got a feeling of watchin a disaster during the icy post-apocalyptic,anarchy episodes in TDKR.ending of Bane is meh.nolan's worst film,IMO.
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8:25PM on 07/26/2012

TDKR all the way

There was no sense of doom in the climax of the Avengers it felt like a rehash of Independence Day, Transformers movies and the invasion of Naboo sequence. And PLEASE Loki over Bane?!! Loki is a faggot he's not even half the menacing presence that Bane is... There are so many instances that you chickened out to call a draw and you picked the wrong comparison to make a judgment call.
There was no sense of doom in the climax of the Avengers it felt like a rehash of Independence Day, Transformers movies and the invasion of Naboo sequence. And PLEASE Loki over Bane?!! Loki is a faggot he's not even half the menacing presence that Bane is... There are so many instances that you chickened out to call a draw and you picked the wrong comparison to make a judgment call.
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7:31PM on 07/26/2012

TDKR

I'll be like most folks and say that both are excellent movies, not the two best comic hero movies but still awesome. Avengers was the more "fun" movie, but TDKR wasn't necessarily trying to be the super fun movie the Avenger's was. He went with a deeper tone that evoked more emotion than The Avengers did and gave a real sense of anything can happen. I also prefer the non cgi action to the cgi action even though I know there wasn't much of an option with the Avengers. I still liked the
I'll be like most folks and say that both are excellent movies, not the two best comic hero movies but still awesome. Avengers was the more "fun" movie, but TDKR wasn't necessarily trying to be the super fun movie the Avenger's was. He went with a deeper tone that evoked more emotion than The Avengers did and gave a real sense of anything can happen. I also prefer the non cgi action to the cgi action even though I know there wasn't much of an option with the Avengers. I still liked the Avengers though and I will watch anything Whedon touches. In Nolan and in Whedon we trust.
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6:35PM on 07/26/2012
How can you choose Catwoman over Black Widow?
How can you choose Catwoman over Black Widow?
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6:18PM on 07/26/2012
Don't really get the point of having these 2 movies face off. Both are very good & satisfying comic book films. I simply can't choose one over the other because they are also very different movies These are definitely my 2 favorite movies so far this summer. TDKR was a great ending to Nolan's trilogy & ranks up there with some of greatest. The Avengers was a very fun & exciting movie all around & deserves every but of success it has. I like the way Marvel & Disney are making these movies & look
Don't really get the point of having these 2 movies face off. Both are very good & satisfying comic book films. I simply can't choose one over the other because they are also very different movies These are definitely my 2 favorite movies so far this summer. TDKR was a great ending to Nolan's trilogy & ranks up there with some of greatest. The Avengers was a very fun & exciting movie all around & deserves every but of success it has. I like the way Marvel & Disney are making these movies & look forward to the future ones.
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5:51PM on 07/26/2012

Avengers didn't leave me sad and disappointed...

So I'd have to agree, although they are two different films. I judge films based off of entertainment and Avengers has that tenfold.
So I'd have to agree, although they are two different films. I judge films based off of entertainment and Avengers has that tenfold.
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5:25PM on 07/26/2012

Defintely The Avengers

TDKR was very disappointing. Hate on me all you like Nolan disciples, but ten years from now, we will all be looking back on it with disappointment. I will probably never rewatch it. The Avengers, on the other hand, was great the first time, the second time, and the third time, and will be great every time I pop in the Blu Ray.
TDKR was very disappointing. Hate on me all you like Nolan disciples, but ten years from now, we will all be looking back on it with disappointment. I will probably never rewatch it. The Avengers, on the other hand, was great the first time, the second time, and the third time, and will be great every time I pop in the Blu Ray.
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5:17PM on 07/26/2012

TDKR

Is this some kind of joke?
Is this some kind of joke?
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4:58PM on 07/26/2012
Both special movies. For me The Dark Knight edges it, but just barely.
Both special movies. For me The Dark Knight edges it, but just barely.
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4:31PM on 07/26/2012
And i think the bad thing about TDKR was that Nolan clearly made the movie thinking about the fans, not some random person who just got out of work and goes to the movies cause he has nothing else to do. The first hour, even for a fan like me was kinda heavy i could see people already sleeping in the theater. It is really difficult to please everyone, the fanboys and the people who are not THAT excited, but Nolan tried his best and thats something i can appreciate.
And i think the bad thing about TDKR was that Nolan clearly made the movie thinking about the fans, not some random person who just got out of work and goes to the movies cause he has nothing else to do. The first hour, even for a fan like me was kinda heavy i could see people already sleeping in the theater. It is really difficult to please everyone, the fanboys and the people who are not THAT excited, but Nolan tried his best and thats something i can appreciate.
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4:29PM on 07/26/2012

The Dark Knight Rises. Even though I thought BOTH were great

First off, let's just all agree we're all lucky to have two great films in the same year. I really enjoyed the Avengers, it was fun, exciting and brought out that child-like enthusiasm in most of us I'm sure. But for me, The Dark Knight Rises takes the cake. The performances were all around terrific, the scale of the movie was incredibly epic and I thought the story tied each movie together nicely. Did it have some flaws? Sure, what movie doesn't, but the good out ways the bad by alot in this
First off, let's just all agree we're all lucky to have two great films in the same year. I really enjoyed the Avengers, it was fun, exciting and brought out that child-like enthusiasm in most of us I'm sure. But for me, The Dark Knight Rises takes the cake. The performances were all around terrific, the scale of the movie was incredibly epic and I thought the story tied each movie together nicely. Did it have some flaws? Sure, what movie doesn't, but the good out ways the bad by alot in this movie. In my opinion of course, so Avengers fan boys don't get butthurt over my comment as I have seen alot of you have, along with TDKR fans.

By the way, Bane is better than Loki. Brains and brawn and he did fight his own battles. Where as Loki didn't really. Hiddleston was terrific, but Loki was always my one complaint about The Avengers. Again both were great.
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4:26PM on 07/26/2012
You know TDKR was better when you compare a solo Batman movie against 6 Marvel super heroes. It's Christopher fucking Nolan!!
You know TDKR was better when you compare a solo Batman movie against 6 Marvel super heroes. It's Christopher fucking Nolan!!
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3:59PM on 07/27/2012
I have never read any Batman comic book, so everything i know about him is due the television series and the movies. I can't say if Nolan nailed the characters 100%. What i can do, is try to judge the actors for what their characters are supposed to be: Bruce Wayne as a filantropic billionaire who lost his parents when he was a kid, only having Alfred as family. Besides that, he battles criminals every single day by himself, not getting any recognition for it. Probably the only motivation he
I have never read any Batman comic book, so everything i know about him is due the television series and the movies. I can't say if Nolan nailed the characters 100%. What i can do, is try to judge the actors for what their characters are supposed to be: Bruce Wayne as a filantropic billionaire who lost his parents when he was a kid, only having Alfred as family. Besides that, he battles criminals every single day by himself, not getting any recognition for it. Probably the only motivation he has was Rachel, but guess what? She gets murded in the most HORRIBLE WAY. So do the math: Watch his parents die + girlfriend killed + No crime + No need to be a hero because the city already have one (Dent) : Fucked up Bruce Wayne.
5:55PM on 07/26/2012
Was it really a Batman movie? It didn't feel like it, none of the characters were consistent with the comic books or previous films. They all got mopey and sad, and we were suppose to believe that Rachel Dawes was the cause of it? No way, she was mediocre at best.

i bought being sad right after she got blown up, but I can't buy him giving up Batman for eight years. A lot of the people I talked to that liked the film thought he stopped being Batman AFTER 8 years, but no he was gone for eight
Was it really a Batman movie? It didn't feel like it, none of the characters were consistent with the comic books or previous films. They all got mopey and sad, and we were suppose to believe that Rachel Dawes was the cause of it? No way, she was mediocre at best.

i bought being sad right after she got blown up, but I can't buy him giving up Batman for eight years. A lot of the people I talked to that liked the film thought he stopped being Batman AFTER 8 years, but no he was gone for eight years period. That's not Batman, he would never do that over one death.
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3:25PM on 07/26/2012
The Dark Knight Rises has actual depth and emotion and something to conquer in 2 hours. The Avengers is slap stick comedy with seen-it-all action;. I liked the Avengers but I have to extremely respectfully disagree.
The Dark Knight Rises has actual depth and emotion and something to conquer in 2 hours. The Avengers is slap stick comedy with seen-it-all action;. I liked the Avengers but I have to extremely respectfully disagree.
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5:19PM on 07/26/2012
You said it, brother.
You said it, brother.
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2:29PM on 07/26/2012

TDKR Kills Avengers

The Avengers was great for what it was; Summer blockbuster popcorn fun. That's it. Nice chance for us all to see something we all thought we'd never get to see on screen. The Dark Knight however was a riveting, intense, dark, relentless assault on the senses that left you cheering, yelling and dare I say tearing up a bit at the end. I haven't felt that way during the movies in a long time and it was a great cap to the best Superhero series ever made. Eff all the Naysayers who pick apart
The Avengers was great for what it was; Summer blockbuster popcorn fun. That's it. Nice chance for us all to see something we all thought we'd never get to see on screen. The Dark Knight however was a riveting, intense, dark, relentless assault on the senses that left you cheering, yelling and dare I say tearing up a bit at the end. I haven't felt that way during the movies in a long time and it was a great cap to the best Superhero series ever made. Eff all the Naysayers who pick apart every little detail "OMG how did he get out of the Bat with seconds left?" or "Bane's voice was stupid" Please. Also Bane destroyed Loki as a villain. I never felt a real threat from Loki and he was more comic relief than anything else. Bane was scary, and had a believable superiority physically to Batman where you legitimately did not know if the hero was going to make it out alive. Great tension and a great movie!!
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2:28PM on 07/26/2012

Dark Knight Rises

More my style, though both are enjoyable.
More my style, though both are enjoyable.
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2:28PM on 07/26/2012
I disagree it hard for me to even like The Avengers after seeing The Dark Knight Rises. Your faceoff is flawed and the categories judged off of are tailored for The Avengers. I say the action in TDKR is better even though there isnt as much. The score is immensely better, along with the effects and cinematography. The villian is way better in TDKR.
I disagree it hard for me to even like The Avengers after seeing The Dark Knight Rises. Your faceoff is flawed and the categories judged off of are tailored for The Avengers. I say the action in TDKR is better even though there isnt as much. The score is immensely better, along with the effects and cinematography. The villian is way better in TDKR.
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1:30PM on 07/26/2012

Agree!

The Avengers > TDKR, although I love both equally.

About the villains: Bane < Loki < Scarecrow.
The Avengers > TDKR, although I love both equally.

About the villains: Bane < Loki < Scarecrow.
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1:29PM on 07/26/2012
Yes, you can do a Face-Off. Yes, one may gross more money than the other. But in any competition with these two movies, there is a clean winner: US.
We were gifted by these two wonderful movies this year. I say, we won!
Yes, you can do a Face-Off. Yes, one may gross more money than the other. But in any competition with these two movies, there is a clean winner: US.
We were gifted by these two wonderful movies this year. I say, we won!
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1:02PM on 07/26/2012
No contest, Avengers all the way. I'm a huge DC fanboy, but TDKR was a massive disappointment for me.

Batman survived a nuclear blast how? He didn't even have a refrigerator to hide in. There was the auto pilot thing, but we literally see him in the Bat with the bomb seconds before it explodes. Am I supposed to believe that he somehow ejected and swam six miles within a matter of seconds?
No contest, Avengers all the way. I'm a huge DC fanboy, but TDKR was a massive disappointment for me.

Batman survived a nuclear blast how? He didn't even have a refrigerator to hide in. There was the auto pilot thing, but we literally see him in the Bat with the bomb seconds before it explodes. Am I supposed to believe that he somehow ejected and swam six miles within a matter of seconds?
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5:51PM on 07/26/2012
Amen! Nolan's fanboys are gonna defend it to their dying breaths, but those of us who can stay objective realize how bad it really was. Even Bob and Tom were making fun of Bane's stupid voice on the air today.
Amen! Nolan's fanboys are gonna defend it to their dying breaths, but those of us who can stay objective realize how bad it really was. Even Bob and Tom were making fun of Bane's stupid voice on the air today.
12:58PM on 07/26/2012

Avengers

I was more entertained by the Avengers. I had fun. The Dark Knight trilogy is great, and the last movie was terrific, but they are so damned serious and dark, you're being taken for a ride but you're never REALLY sure if you are having FUN. I'll say that I was moved more by TDKR, but I'm going with the Avengers. By the way, I saw the Avengers once in the theater in 3D. I can't wait to get it on dvd or blue ray. But TDKR I may actually see in the theater again.
I was more entertained by the Avengers. I had fun. The Dark Knight trilogy is great, and the last movie was terrific, but they are so damned serious and dark, you're being taken for a ride but you're never REALLY sure if you are having FUN. I'll say that I was moved more by TDKR, but I'm going with the Avengers. By the way, I saw the Avengers once in the theater in 3D. I can't wait to get it on dvd or blue ray. But TDKR I may actually see in the theater again.
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12:48PM on 07/26/2012

Bane over Loki

I don't agree that Loki was better than Bane and before you thumb me down I should point out that he went toe-to-toe with the Bat and (SPOILER) "broke the BAT" unlike Loki who was all talk and sneering and let his minions do all the fighting while he sat out most of battle and didn't get to do anything epic with any of the heroes.
I don't agree that Loki was better than Bane and before you thumb me down I should point out that he went toe-to-toe with the Bat and (SPOILER) "broke the BAT" unlike Loki who was all talk and sneering and let his minions do all the fighting while he sat out most of battle and didn't get to do anything epic with any of the heroes.
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6:35PM on 07/26/2012
Bane was up against a crippled Batman who had been hobbling around for 8 years whining about his girlfriend. Loki was up agains the freakin AVENGERS! Batman wouldn't have last ten seconds with ANY of the avengers, except maybe Black Widow, and even then i think she would have taken him. The fight scenes in TDKR sucked! Batman looked like a brawler from Roadhouse instead of the technician he shoud be. "This isn't a mudhole, it's an operating table, and I'm the surgeon."
Bane was up against a crippled Batman who had been hobbling around for 8 years whining about his girlfriend. Loki was up agains the freakin AVENGERS! Batman wouldn't have last ten seconds with ANY of the avengers, except maybe Black Widow, and even then i think she would have taken him. The fight scenes in TDKR sucked! Batman looked like a brawler from Roadhouse instead of the technician he shoud be. "This isn't a mudhole, it's an operating table, and I'm the surgeon."
12:48PM on 07/26/2012
Avengers without a doubt
Avengers without a doubt
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12:47PM on 07/26/2012
Avengers without a doubt
Avengers without a doubt
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12:47PM on 07/26/2012
It is a bit too soon to be voting on this, but I'd vote TDKR. I liked The Avengers quite a bit, but TDKR was more thematically and emotionally engaging to me. Plus, Bane is a superior villain to Loki and the ensemble in TDKR is terrific.
It is a bit too soon to be voting on this, but I'd vote TDKR. I liked The Avengers quite a bit, but TDKR was more thematically and emotionally engaging to me. Plus, Bane is a superior villain to Loki and the ensemble in TDKR is terrific.
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2:11PM on 07/26/2012
I disagree. Bane was 2 dimensional to a fault. Talia told him what to do and he did it. The end. He was amindless hurts-thinger. With Loki we got a character with the rage of ambition, the pain of inferiority and a willingness to destroy anything to achieve his goals, even his own brother.
I disagree. Bane was 2 dimensional to a fault. Talia told him what to do and he did it. The end. He was amindless hurts-thinger. With Loki we got a character with the rage of ambition, the pain of inferiority and a willingness to destroy anything to achieve his goals, even his own brother.
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12:39PM on 07/26/2012

Complement each other.

They really complement each other in being complete opposites in so many ways. DKR being dark, gloomy, realistic and a really good film. Avengers being a bright, unrealistic but really entertaining film.
They really complement each other in being complete opposites in so many ways. DKR being dark, gloomy, realistic and a really good film. Avengers being a bright, unrealistic but really entertaining film.
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12:30PM on 07/26/2012

Way too early for an article/quesiton like this

especially since TDKR came out LESS than a week ago, many are still caught up in the hype of TDKR and the hype of seeing it. This is a question better suited when there's equal ground, say at the end of the year.
especially since TDKR came out LESS than a week ago, many are still caught up in the hype of TDKR and the hype of seeing it. This is a question better suited when there's equal ground, say at the end of the year.
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12:23PM on 07/26/2012
Boo this man!!!! I've seen TDKR in theaters 6 times already. I've been to the movies more int he last 6 days than I have in the last 6 months. I've seen The Avengers once after it came out and that was acam version online.
Boo this man!!!! I've seen TDKR in theaters 6 times already. I've been to the movies more int he last 6 days than I have in the last 6 months. I've seen The Avengers once after it came out and that was acam version online.
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1:00PM on 07/26/2012
Six times already? yeah you MAY want to see a psychiatrist man. One thing to be a fanboi, but if you are THAT obsessed over this dark and violent film, warning flags get raised.
Six times already? yeah you MAY want to see a psychiatrist man. One thing to be a fanboi, but if you are THAT obsessed over this dark and violent film, warning flags get raised.
11:53AM on 07/26/2012
Totally agree here. I think part of the outrage here is that Dark Knight Rises is fresher in people's minds right now. The weak link in DKR was Bane. Tom Hardy emotes very well with his eyes ,which made him look very intimidating even with a goofy mask on. But every time he spoke I was taken out of it, especially the scene in front of Blackgate. He sounds like Sean Connery doing a southern lawyer impression.
Totally agree here. I think part of the outrage here is that Dark Knight Rises is fresher in people's minds right now. The weak link in DKR was Bane. Tom Hardy emotes very well with his eyes ,which made him look very intimidating even with a goofy mask on. But every time he spoke I was taken out of it, especially the scene in front of Blackgate. He sounds like Sean Connery doing a southern lawyer impression.
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5:58PM on 07/26/2012
Not to mention that all of his speech sounded like it was coming through an amplifier (which, of course, it was after having to be redubbed because no one could understand what he was mumbling). And that ridiculous accent/speech pattern was comically bad. This will not hold up well.
Not to mention that all of his speech sounded like it was coming through an amplifier (which, of course, it was after having to be redubbed because no one could understand what he was mumbling). And that ridiculous accent/speech pattern was comically bad. This will not hold up well.
12:52PM on 07/26/2012
I laughed at the Connery comment. Spot on.
I laughed at the Connery comment. Spot on.
11:47AM on 07/26/2012

TDKR All the Way

TDKR is a superior film to The Avengers. I for one watched TDKR 2 days in a row and will never watch Avengers again. Yes, they both pleased the geeks out there, but Avengers was a studio contrived cash grab. Marvel released 2, almost 3, bland to craptstic films in order to get to this thing. While Nolan made 2 genre-changing epics just to cap it off with another winner. TDKR hands down is the better of the two.
TDKR is a superior film to The Avengers. I for one watched TDKR 2 days in a row and will never watch Avengers again. Yes, they both pleased the geeks out there, but Avengers was a studio contrived cash grab. Marvel released 2, almost 3, bland to craptstic films in order to get to this thing. While Nolan made 2 genre-changing epics just to cap it off with another winner. TDKR hands down is the better of the two.
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6:03PM on 07/26/2012
If anything was "genre changing", it was Marvel's master plan and perfect execution of bringing their flagpole characters together over many films and giving us the best super hero film yet! DC will be playing catch up from here on out. Now, if only Marvel could get ALL their characters back under one roof, that would be awesome. Secret Wars anyone? Civil War? So many possibilities! THAT would be genre changing (again).
If anything was "genre changing", it was Marvel's master plan and perfect execution of bringing their flagpole characters together over many films and giving us the best super hero film yet! DC will be playing catch up from here on out. Now, if only Marvel could get ALL their characters back under one roof, that would be awesome. Secret Wars anyone? Civil War? So many possibilities! THAT would be genre changing (again).
2:14PM on 07/26/2012
Genre changing? How so? He made two pretty good films, sure. But genre changing? Nope. Avengers made $1.5 billion and I saw not a hint of Syncopy-esque style. Nor have I seen it in anything else.
Genre changing? How so? He made two pretty good films, sure. But genre changing? Nope. Avengers made $1.5 billion and I saw not a hint of Syncopy-esque style. Nor have I seen it in anything else.
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11:44AM on 07/26/2012

You're opinion sucks

Bane could kick Loki's ass....and Bane took over an entire city while Loki failed, AND Loki is a God and Bane is man, therefor, Bane is the better villain. Nobody fucking cares about his voice, the voice doesn't make the villain, the actions do.
Bane could kick Loki's ass....and Bane took over an entire city while Loki failed, AND Loki is a God and Bane is man, therefor, Bane is the better villain. Nobody fucking cares about his voice, the voice doesn't make the villain, the actions do.
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3:29PM on 07/26/2012
Bane would skull rape Loki.
Bane would skull rape Loki.
2:16PM on 07/26/2012
Bane's weakness is a mask that, if you flick, he's down.
Bane's weakness is a mask that, if you flick, he's down.
11:56AM on 07/26/2012
Bane didn't have to face an entire spy organization, ANOTHER GOD, a super soldier, a rampaging goliath, and so on...
Bane didn't have to face an entire spy organization, ANOTHER GOD, a super soldier, a rampaging goliath, and so on...
11:49AM on 07/26/2012
your use of the word "you're" sucks.
your use of the word "you're" sucks.
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11:44AM on 07/26/2012
TDKR sucked! Avengers was fun and worth a repeat viewing while TDKR left me wondering what Nolan was smoking when he made the film.
TDKR sucked! Avengers was fun and worth a repeat viewing while TDKR left me wondering what Nolan was smoking when he made the film.
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6:05PM on 07/26/2012
Agreed! TDKR was very disappointing.
Agreed! TDKR was very disappointing.
5:56PM on 07/26/2012
Yeah, I was shocked too at how it all felt. It was definitely his worst film to date.
Yeah, I was shocked too at how it all felt. It was definitely his worst film to date.
10:58AM on 07/26/2012

Not gonna chose.

I think The Avengers and The Dark Knight trilogy both offer the best of what comic book films has to offer. TDKT offers us the complexity and depth we crave from the genre while The Avengers is the epitome of comic book adventure on screen. Apples and Oranges. I love both equally and it depends on my mood which one I'll watch on a given day. I honestly can't pick between the two. They each represent their source material masterfully but in different ways.
I think The Avengers and The Dark Knight trilogy both offer the best of what comic book films has to offer. TDKT offers us the complexity and depth we crave from the genre while The Avengers is the epitome of comic book adventure on screen. Apples and Oranges. I love both equally and it depends on my mood which one I'll watch on a given day. I honestly can't pick between the two. They each represent their source material masterfully but in different ways.
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10:38AM on 07/26/2012
While the Avengers was a great popcorn film, the Dark Knight Rises was a much better film overall. The story was better and the acting was better. I felt that there was just too much too soon in the Avengers universe with Thor and Captain America coming out like a year ago and then the next year having everyone in a mashup. I eagerly had TDKR and Prometheus as my highlights for the summer and they did not disappoint.
While the Avengers was a great popcorn film, the Dark Knight Rises was a much better film overall. The story was better and the acting was better. I felt that there was just too much too soon in the Avengers universe with Thor and Captain America coming out like a year ago and then the next year having everyone in a mashup. I eagerly had TDKR and Prometheus as my highlights for the summer and they did not disappoint.
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10:36AM on 07/26/2012
I stopped reading after I saw Loki over Bane. Both were great films but I give it to TDKR.
I stopped reading after I saw Loki over Bane. Both were great films but I give it to TDKR.
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2:18PM on 07/26/2012
Yeah. Bane's SSSSOOOO much better. His weakness totally isn't a mask that incapacitates him if it gets bumped.
Yeah. Bane's SSSSOOOO much better. His weakness totally isn't a mask that incapacitates him if it gets bumped.
10:18AM on 07/26/2012
Bane > Loki
Bane > Loki
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8:57PM on 07/26/2012
You sound like a 5 year old Iron_Chinchilla. Just because Loki could beat up Bane because hes a god doesn't mean he was a better villain.
You sound like a 5 year old Iron_Chinchilla. Just because Loki could beat up Bane because hes a god doesn't mean he was a better villain.
1:02PM on 07/26/2012
Yeah well Bane got offed by a chick in spandex. Loki got smushed by a green giant but lived.

One on one, Loki would make Bane look silly.
Yeah well Bane got offed by a chick in spandex. Loki got smushed by a green giant but lived.

One on one, Loki would make Bane look silly.
10:14AM on 07/26/2012

One more thing, to use a quote from Batman Forever.

Your [The Avenger's] entrance was good.
His [TDKR] was better.
Your [The Avenger's] entrance was good.
His [TDKR] was better.
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9:38AM on 07/26/2012

At the risk of sounding pretentious....

I can understand someone saying they "enjoyed Avengers more" or that it was "more fun", but no way in hell is it a better "film" than TDKR. It doens't have the depth of character, the philosophical underpinnings, or the ambition of Nolan's film. I think both films succeeded wildly in what they wanted to do. Avengers was pure fun, and TDKR (like the first two films) was a serious attempt at a crime saga that just happened to feature a character who was a superhero.

p.s. Bane over
I can understand someone saying they "enjoyed Avengers more" or that it was "more fun", but no way in hell is it a better "film" than TDKR. It doens't have the depth of character, the philosophical underpinnings, or the ambition of Nolan's film. I think both films succeeded wildly in what they wanted to do. Avengers was pure fun, and TDKR (like the first two films) was a serious attempt at a crime saga that just happened to feature a character who was a superhero.

p.s. Bane over Loki too.
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7:56PM on 07/26/2012
philalva, I love how you complain when someone points out huge gaping flaws in a film you loved, ON A WEBSITE ABOUT FILMS. If you were too mesmerized by Nolan's awesomeness to stop and say WTF when things didn't make any damn sense that's on you!
philalva, I love how you complain when someone points out huge gaping flaws in a film you loved, ON A WEBSITE ABOUT FILMS. If you were too mesmerized by Nolan's awesomeness to stop and say WTF when things didn't make any damn sense that's on you!
7:31PM on 07/26/2012
That's more than a nitpick, that's a huge plot mistake. Still, the Avengers isn't perfect either in that regard. Biggest mistake: having some shadowy government figure trying to nuke New York for a threat that is on the other side of a portal above the city.
That's more than a nitpick, that's a huge plot mistake. Still, the Avengers isn't perfect either in that regard. Biggest mistake: having some shadowy government figure trying to nuke New York for a threat that is on the other side of a portal above the city.
6:34PM on 07/26/2012
fanboy71 just stfu, your name suits you perfect. Can't stand people who overanalyze & nit pick every lil thing. Grow up dude & just enjoy movies.
fanboy71 just stfu, your name suits you perfect. Can't stand people who overanalyze & nit pick every lil thing. Grow up dude & just enjoy movies.
6:13PM on 07/26/2012
Yeah, the Avengers didn't have anybody hobbling around on a cane for 8 years, and then suddenly be able to fight just as good as he did before, only to have his back broken and then healed in a matter of weeks, (IN A PRISON!) only to be able to fight even better after getting back. How exactly did he get back into Gotham by the way? How did he get overseas with no passport, no money, and NO SHOES! It was already established that he was broke, so it's no tlike his name recognition would get
Yeah, the Avengers didn't have anybody hobbling around on a cane for 8 years, and then suddenly be able to fight just as good as he did before, only to have his back broken and then healed in a matter of weeks, (IN A PRISON!) only to be able to fight even better after getting back. How exactly did he get back into Gotham by the way? How did he get overseas with no passport, no money, and NO SHOES! It was already established that he was broke, so it's no tlike his name recognition would get him a bus pass or anything. And how did he get across the ONLY BRIDGE that just happened to be being guarded by cops? WITH NO SHOES! And then he rode out a nuclear explosion! That's some great philosophical underpinning (read: crap) right there
10:28AM on 07/26/2012
I agree that TDKR was more ambitious but I thought it was its biggest problem: too many characters, too many subplots, too many themes... The Avengers was a lot more complicated to make than your average pop-corn flick: it had 6 characters that could be considered lead, not counting Loki or Fury. The movie achieved a balance dealing with them that TDKR, IMO, never have.
I agree that TDKR was more ambitious but I thought it was its biggest problem: too many characters, too many subplots, too many themes... The Avengers was a lot more complicated to make than your average pop-corn flick: it had 6 characters that could be considered lead, not counting Loki or Fury. The movie achieved a balance dealing with them that TDKR, IMO, never have.
10:06AM on 07/26/2012
I think TDKR is more ambitious, not because of it's scope, but because it tries to be more than just a superhero movie. The Avengers did not. And that's fine. Don't get me wrong, I love the Avengers and it's a huge movie in terms of the scope of production, but it didn't rise above being a popcorn flick. It certainly reached the pinnacle of what is was trying to achieve though.
I think TDKR is more ambitious, not because of it's scope, but because it tries to be more than just a superhero movie. The Avengers did not. And that's fine. Don't get me wrong, I love the Avengers and it's a huge movie in terms of the scope of production, but it didn't rise above being a popcorn flick. It certainly reached the pinnacle of what is was trying to achieve though.
9:52AM on 07/26/2012
Agreed that TDKR has more depth of character. But I don't agree that a film needs philosophical underpinnings to be considered a superior film. Also, I'm not sure how Nolan's film was any more ambitious than The Avengers. Before The Avengers was released, there were serious doubts it could be pulled off because of its scope.
Agreed that TDKR has more depth of character. But I don't agree that a film needs philosophical underpinnings to be considered a superior film. Also, I'm not sure how Nolan's film was any more ambitious than The Avengers. Before The Avengers was released, there were serious doubts it could be pulled off because of its scope.
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9:15AM on 07/26/2012
I give it to Dark Knight Rises. It's true Avengers had more action, but it just started of baaaad to me. There was nothing thrilling of that first SHIELD attack for me. And all the parts that were supposed to be "badass" were eye rolling. Like when Black Widow tricked Loki, ridiculous scene. And when Hawkeye shot a hundred yards behind him without looking, stupid. Still, it was a solid 7.5/10 for me, TDKR was just an 8/10. I'd rather have the highs of TDKR than the ok consistency of
I give it to Dark Knight Rises. It's true Avengers had more action, but it just started of baaaad to me. There was nothing thrilling of that first SHIELD attack for me. And all the parts that were supposed to be "badass" were eye rolling. Like when Black Widow tricked Loki, ridiculous scene. And when Hawkeye shot a hundred yards behind him without looking, stupid. Still, it was a solid 7.5/10 for me, TDKR was just an 8/10. I'd rather have the highs of TDKR than the ok consistency of Avengers. The best parts of Avengers were a couple of the extremely funny moments. That's all that's lasted in my mind.
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6:36PM on 07/26/2012
Damn you fanboys are fucking annoying, grow a pair.
Damn you fanboys are fucking annoying, grow a pair.
2:26PM on 07/26/2012
Right, because some random inmate in a prison punching Wayne in the back to fix a dislocated vertebrae totally made sense. Or the fact that, at the end, Wayne would have to be flying at around 600 mph for the blast radius of the bomb to not hit Gotham. Or that fact the nuclear fallout would kill essentially everyone in Gotham. Or the fact the Wayne couldnt figure out that Bane would have literally no way of nothing that there even was a nuclear [insert random plot device] that could even be
Right, because some random inmate in a prison punching Wayne in the back to fix a dislocated vertebrae totally made sense. Or the fact that, at the end, Wayne would have to be flying at around 600 mph for the blast radius of the bomb to not hit Gotham. Or that fact the nuclear fallout would kill essentially everyone in Gotham. Or the fact the Wayne couldnt figure out that Bane would have literally no way of nothing that there even was a nuclear [insert random plot device] that could even be turned into a bomb, without inside knowledge. Or that the US government sat on its hands for three months staring across a bridge. Yeah. DKR was totally superior if you don't think science is real. Or good story-telling.
9:11AM on 07/26/2012
I'm surprised how many people are drooling over TDKR. I was disappointed by it (and this has nothing to do with expectations after such great 1st and 2nd installments). The movie felt convoluted and the pacing was awkward. And I agree that Loki was the better villain in comparison. I didn't like Bane. His voice was very distracting - too amplified, but I suppose that is the only way you could understand his mumbles. Loki's intentions and motives were much more clear. I enjoyed TDKR
I'm surprised how many people are drooling over TDKR. I was disappointed by it (and this has nothing to do with expectations after such great 1st and 2nd installments). The movie felt convoluted and the pacing was awkward. And I agree that Loki was the better villain in comparison. I didn't like Bane. His voice was very distracting - too amplified, but I suppose that is the only way you could understand his mumbles. Loki's intentions and motives were much more clear. I enjoyed TDKR (7.5/10), but I believe The Avengers is easily the superior film (9.0/10).
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6:17PM on 07/26/2012
Agreed! I still haven't figured out how Bruce Wayne got from the Prison full of chiropractors back to Gotham and managed to sneak in over the bridge.
Agreed! I still haven't figured out how Bruce Wayne got from the Prison full of chiropractors back to Gotham and managed to sneak in over the bridge.
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9:09AM on 07/26/2012

Sadly, I agree

A month ago I would have never thought this to be true, but sadly it is. The Avengers is more of a complete movie and lacks the stupid ending that nearly makes Rises a laughing stock.
A month ago I would have never thought this to be true, but sadly it is. The Avengers is more of a complete movie and lacks the stupid ending that nearly makes Rises a laughing stock.
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9:04AM on 07/26/2012

Um....

Remember that part where Loki beat up the Avengers? Oh wait, that didn't happen. Loki got his tail handed to him nearly every time he fought.
Remember that part where Loki beat up the Avengers? Oh wait, that didn't happen. Loki got his tail handed to him nearly every time he fought.
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1:17PM on 07/26/2012
I'm just saying, if you're going to have a movie about super heroes, I'd appreciate some awesome fight-em' scenes. Instead, we got to watch some goofy aliens. Heck, the best hand-to-hand combat scene was between Ironman and Thor just about. Yeahhh, Hulk SMASH and all, and I thought the movie was great, but saying Loki and Co. were the better 'villains' is just ridiculous. Loki had some super powerful staff God-staff, and the guy barely cared to use it, or even try to hold on to it. What a joke!
I'm just saying, if you're going to have a movie about super heroes, I'd appreciate some awesome fight-em' scenes. Instead, we got to watch some goofy aliens. Heck, the best hand-to-hand combat scene was between Ironman and Thor just about. Yeahhh, Hulk SMASH and all, and I thought the movie was great, but saying Loki and Co. were the better 'villains' is just ridiculous. Loki had some super powerful staff God-staff, and the guy barely cared to use it, or even try to hold on to it. What a joke! Let me ask you this, 10 years from now, are people going to remember what a BAMF Bane was, or wimpy Loki?
11:54AM on 07/26/2012
Yeah, against the AVENGERS. Bane had Batman to deal with. Big whoop.
Yeah, against the AVENGERS. Bane had Batman to deal with. Big whoop.
9:16AM on 07/26/2012
Keep in mind that a good villain isn't always about muscle.
Keep in mind that a good villain isn't always about muscle.
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8:28AM on 07/26/2012
Sometimes we don't really think about how we use words to describe things...
I had more fun, and would rather watch a replay of The Avengers right now over The Dark Knight Rises...it was more fun, exciting and entertaining but that doesn't mean it was a "better" movie. The Dark Knight Rises was a good movie, was a much different tone, and set out to conclude the trilogy. I had my problems with it, and actually thought it was the weakest of the trilogy but it was still a very good movie. In the
Sometimes we don't really think about how we use words to describe things...
I had more fun, and would rather watch a replay of The Avengers right now over The Dark Knight Rises...it was more fun, exciting and entertaining but that doesn't mean it was a "better" movie. The Dark Knight Rises was a good movie, was a much different tone, and set out to conclude the trilogy. I had my problems with it, and actually thought it was the weakest of the trilogy but it was still a very good movie. In the end both of these movies are very good but its difficult to actually declare one "better' than the other. I "liked" The Avengers more that TDKR, but I won't say it was a better movie.
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8:16AM on 07/26/2012
Before I saw The Dark Knight Rises I felt sure it would be the better film between that and The Avengers, but having seen them both now I have to say it's a pretty close-run thing. I found both films entertaining but also lacking in certain aspects. I feel like The Avengers is the more entertaining and balanced film, whereas The Dark Knight Rises was more inconsistent, with greater scope and style, but more annoying flaws. End of the day I felt they were both solid 8/10 movies, but neither
Before I saw The Dark Knight Rises I felt sure it would be the better film between that and The Avengers, but having seen them both now I have to say it's a pretty close-run thing. I found both films entertaining but also lacking in certain aspects. I feel like The Avengers is the more entertaining and balanced film, whereas The Dark Knight Rises was more inconsistent, with greater scope and style, but more annoying flaws. End of the day I felt they were both solid 8/10 movies, but neither lived up to their full potential.
Does this mean I get thumbs down from both tribes of fanboys now? Yay.
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8:18AM on 07/26/2012
and incidentally, Bane was one of the things I didn't dislike about TDKR. I thought Hardy did an incredible job and portrayed a genuinely menacing villain.
and incidentally, Bane was one of the things I didn't dislike about TDKR. I thought Hardy did an incredible job and portrayed a genuinely menacing villain.
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8:13AM on 07/26/2012
No way was Loki better than Bane. Loki was a whining little nobody.
TDKR by a hair.
No way was Loki better than Bane. Loki was a whining little nobody.
TDKR by a hair.
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8:01AM on 07/26/2012

NO WAY

Loki was horrible, what a pussy! Bane could take Batman all day and he would have took a dump on Loki. You also have to account for how much easier it would be to make Avengers over TDKR. Avengers had however many superheros in it with their own stories already told in previous films, all they had to do after that is give them funny lines, there was no drama, no tears, no hardship. TDKR was 10 times the film, we are talking a superhero film with the heart that beats the same as the best
Loki was horrible, what a pussy! Bane could take Batman all day and he would have took a dump on Loki. You also have to account for how much easier it would be to make Avengers over TDKR. Avengers had however many superheros in it with their own stories already told in previous films, all they had to do after that is give them funny lines, there was no drama, no tears, no hardship. TDKR was 10 times the film, we are talking a superhero film with the heart that beats the same as the best movies ever made. Avengers was a good summer blockbuster, but TDKR had a lot more at stake and took it head on, it was much much more then a popcorn flick. The Joker said it best: "All you care about is money. This city deserves a better class of criminal. And I'm gonna give it to them!" Avengers was all about the fun and money, TDKR brought the best story and movie.
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2:38PM on 07/26/2012
Except for the part where, if someone sneezes too close to his mask he suddenly weakens.
Except for the part where, if someone sneezes too close to his mask he suddenly weakens.
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7:45AM on 07/26/2012

All the times you wuss out and call a tie but not here?

These two films have completely different tones; why not compare 21 Jump Street and Se7en? They are both buddy cop movies?
Avengers - fun, summer time action extravaganza.
The Dark Knight Rises - Dark, dramatic, intense
Both succeed in what they set out to do.
These two films have completely different tones; why not compare 21 Jump Street and Se7en? They are both buddy cop movies?
Avengers - fun, summer time action extravaganza.
The Dark Knight Rises - Dark, dramatic, intense
Both succeed in what they set out to do.
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5:49PM on 07/26/2012
They are both comic book movies, that's why they can be compared. And also, Se7en isn't a "buddy" cop movie, Pitt and Freeman only get along towards the end.
They are both comic book movies, that's why they can be compared. And also, Se7en isn't a "buddy" cop movie, Pitt and Freeman only get along towards the end.
7:18AM on 07/26/2012

Hold on, what did Bane say again?

I wanted to love TDKR, but I didn't come close. Bane needed subtitles along with Batman! Loved the Dark Knight. But out of these two The Avengers took the prize! Funny, awesome, Perfect! Loki was way better than the not Bane.
I wanted to love TDKR, but I didn't come close. Bane needed subtitles along with Batman! Loved the Dark Knight. But out of these two The Avengers took the prize! Funny, awesome, Perfect! Loki was way better than the not Bane.
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7:15AM on 07/26/2012

TDKR was better

The ending for Avengers was a lot of "Boy, isn't that convenient" moments, TDKR was OH SHI everythang is coming down son!!!
The ending for Avengers was a lot of "Boy, isn't that convenient" moments, TDKR was OH SHI everythang is coming down son!!!
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8:36PM on 07/26/2012
Your arguments are invalid.
Nothing is convenient for Batman, he's Batman.
Shall I continue?
Your arguments are invalid.
Nothing is convenient for Batman, he's Batman.
Shall I continue?
6:32PM on 07/26/2012
Let's examine that for a second: Boy, wasn't it convenient that there was a chiropractor in Bane's prison? Boy, wasn't it convenient that Wayne managed to hitchhike back to Gotham from another country when he had no money, no passport, and no shoes?!?! Boy, wasn't it convenient that Wayne managed to get back inside Gotham City with no explanation whatsoever, even though all but one bridge was out, and that bridge was blocked by the cops? Boy, wasn't it convenient that Catwoman showed up just
Let's examine that for a second: Boy, wasn't it convenient that there was a chiropractor in Bane's prison? Boy, wasn't it convenient that Wayne managed to hitchhike back to Gotham from another country when he had no money, no passport, and no shoes?!?! Boy, wasn't it convenient that Wayne managed to get back inside Gotham City with no explanation whatsoever, even though all but one bridge was out, and that bridge was blocked by the cops? Boy, wasn't it convenient that Catwoman showed up just in the nick of time to save Batman from being killed by Bane and Talia? Boy, wasn't it convenient that Bane and Talia were willing to blow up Gotham while they were still in it? Boy, wasn't it convenient that Batman escaped the nuclear blast, even though we saw him a second earlier still flying the bat chopper thingy? Must I go on?
2:41PM on 07/26/2012
Right, because just plugging an actively decaying nuclear [insert plot device] back in and everything's cool wasn't convenient. And the bast radius would've still taken out a lot of Gotham, yet magically it remained unharmed and untouched by horrible nuclear fallout.
Right, because just plugging an actively decaying nuclear [insert plot device] back in and everything's cool wasn't convenient. And the bast radius would've still taken out a lot of Gotham, yet magically it remained unharmed and untouched by horrible nuclear fallout.
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6:42AM on 07/26/2012
TDKR !! Bane was a more impressive villain than Loki. Just to remind everyone...Bane caused far more destruction on Gotham than the Chi'tari unleashed.
TDKR !! Bane was a more impressive villain than Loki. Just to remind everyone...Bane caused far more destruction on Gotham than the Chi'tari unleashed.
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2:43PM on 07/26/2012
He blew up four bridges and then almost passed out because his face is his weakness. Yeah. So much better. It's not like the Chi'tari took out entire buildings at time. Oh wait...
He blew up four bridges and then almost passed out because his face is his weakness. Yeah. So much better. It's not like the Chi'tari took out entire buildings at time. Oh wait...
6:01AM on 07/26/2012

Avengers all the way!!

DKR was good no doubt but fell short in a few places that Avengers soared, but i will disagree with Loki as the better villian. Tom Hardy completly owned in that department.
DKR was good no doubt but fell short in a few places that Avengers soared, but i will disagree with Loki as the better villian. Tom Hardy completly owned in that department.
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5:06AM on 07/26/2012

The Dark Knight Rises for me

Also Bane was definitly a better villain than Loki!!!!
Also Bane was definitly a better villain than Loki!!!!
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2:46PM on 07/26/2012
Except for the part where he was bland, boring and could be taken out with a single, well placed punch in the mouth.
Except for the part where he was bland, boring and could be taken out with a single, well placed punch in the mouth.
5:05AM on 07/26/2012
I was surprised at how good The Avengers was and the control Whedon had of the material was impressive. The Dark Knight Rises surprised me with just how poorly written and edited it was. Regarding your comments on The Dark Knight, I think Batman Begins is the superior film. TDK relies on a huge amount of chance & coincidence versus what the Joker can actually plan & control - I know it's a comic-book film but Nolan's whole premise was grounding the thing in some kind of reality. Ledger was
I was surprised at how good The Avengers was and the control Whedon had of the material was impressive. The Dark Knight Rises surprised me with just how poorly written and edited it was. Regarding your comments on The Dark Knight, I think Batman Begins is the superior film. TDK relies on a huge amount of chance & coincidence versus what the Joker can actually plan & control - I know it's a comic-book film but Nolan's whole premise was grounding the thing in some kind of reality. Ledger was awesome, and his performance blinded me from seeing just how nonsensical big chunks of the film were.
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4:24AM on 07/26/2012

Avengers for me

I love both but have to give it to Avengers, as it's the first time anything like this has been attempted in cinema, and it was just so gosh darn fun, and unexpected that it would be so good.

I have to disagree on the villain though; I think Bane had far more impact and will be more memorable than Loki.
I love both but have to give it to Avengers, as it's the first time anything like this has been attempted in cinema, and it was just so gosh darn fun, and unexpected that it would be so good.

I have to disagree on the villain though; I think Bane had far more impact and will be more memorable than Loki.
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4:23AM on 07/26/2012

TDKR to me (If I have to choose, which I don't want to)

While AVENGERS was the most entertaining and fun actionpacked thrillride (with countless repeat value) of this year, I HAVE TO say, as a whole, with the quiet building up in the first hour to a sensational jaw dropping cliffhanger of a middle to the PERFECT literal interpretation of the title "Rise"(the biggest HELL YEAH!! moment of the year IMO) at the third act including some clever and inspiring twist here and there following up to the best possible finishing of the biggest superhero trilogy
While AVENGERS was the most entertaining and fun actionpacked thrillride (with countless repeat value) of this year, I HAVE TO say, as a whole, with the quiet building up in the first hour to a sensational jaw dropping cliffhanger of a middle to the PERFECT literal interpretation of the title "Rise"(the biggest HELL YEAH!! moment of the year IMO) at the third act including some clever and inspiring twist here and there following up to the best possible finishing of the biggest superhero trilogy in the end, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES had everything I had hoped for since TDK ended. After I watched AVENGERS like a dozen times, I thought no way TDKR can top this. But you know what? It kinda did.

PS. And although I loved both Loki & Bane, to me Loki gets the lead on the characterization part from Bane (well he got THOR to thank for that), but simply as an evil villain, Bane edges Loki on the "scary" & "intimidating" factor. Seriously, can anyone even fantasize anything similiar to that awesome 'Hulk smashes Loki' thing happening to Bane??
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5:00AM on 07/27/2012
LOL Dude I'm not saying if its physically POSSBILE or not to smash Bane by Hulk or Thor or any other superhuman guys from Avengers. I'm only saying, we just CAN'T ENVISION such a funny and laugh out loud treatment of Bane the way it happened with Loki. Offcourse Bane would be scattered to bits if he fights any of the superheroes of Avengers, because he's just a big guy without any superpower....But I'm saying its NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL STRENGTH OR ENDURANCE, ITS ABOUT THE SHEER
LOL Dude I'm not saying if its physically POSSBILE or not to smash Bane by Hulk or Thor or any other superhuman guys from Avengers. I'm only saying, we just CAN'T ENVISION such a funny and laugh out loud treatment of Bane the way it happened with Loki. Offcourse Bane would be scattered to bits if he fights any of the superheroes of Avengers, because he's just a big guy without any superpower....But I'm saying its NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL STRENGTH OR ENDURANCE, ITS ABOUT THE SHEER INTIMIDATING / THREATENING SCREEN PRESENCE. Thats it.
8:03PM on 07/26/2012
I'm not sure what you are saying, because since Loki is a god, and Bane is simply human (not even super human since they left venom out of the story), he would have splattered into little red chunks if Hulk smashed him like that. Hell, one punch to the mask is all it took to take him out.. Black Widow could have beat him.
I'm not sure what you are saying, because since Loki is a god, and Bane is simply human (not even super human since they left venom out of the story), he would have splattered into little red chunks if Hulk smashed him like that. Hell, one punch to the mask is all it took to take him out.. Black Widow could have beat him.
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4:19AM on 07/26/2012

Yeah dude, I disagree on this one.

I love, love, loved both films and I am a Marvel fan all the wat, however, I think that objectively The Dark Knight Rises is the better of the two.
I love, love, loved both films and I am a Marvel fan all the wat, however, I think that objectively The Dark Knight Rises is the better of the two.
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3:54AM on 07/26/2012
Agree with most comments. All Dark Knight All the Time.
Agree action & comedy ruled Avgs but maybe when they finish the series n Avg 3 it could mean as much as TDKR
Agree with most comments. All Dark Knight All the Time.
Agree action & comedy ruled Avgs but maybe when they finish the series n Avg 3 it could mean as much as TDKR
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2:47PM on 07/26/2012
I have no idea what you just said.
I have no idea what you just said.
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3:54AM on 07/26/2012
Agree with most comments. All Dark Knight All the Time.
Agree action & comedy ruled Avgs but maybe when they finish the series n Avg 3 it could mean as much as TDKR
Agree with most comments. All Dark Knight All the Time.
Agree action & comedy ruled Avgs but maybe when they finish the series n Avg 3 it could mean as much as TDKR
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3:54AM on 07/26/2012

Apples to Oranges

Both films actually lived up to their ridiculous amount of hype. The film gods (Nolan and Wheaton) have given us amazing gifts. I want to give the edge to TDKR but I know it's primarily because it's fresher in my mind (and I have a personal preference for tragedy/ dramas). I know I'll be making equal use of both blu rays upon their arrival. When I'm in the mood to escape to place of pure genuine fun I'll go Avengers and when I want to let my emotions get pulled, stomped on and eventually
Both films actually lived up to their ridiculous amount of hype. The film gods (Nolan and Wheaton) have given us amazing gifts. I want to give the edge to TDKR but I know it's primarily because it's fresher in my mind (and I have a personal preference for tragedy/ dramas). I know I'll be making equal use of both blu rays upon their arrival. When I'm in the mood to escape to place of pure genuine fun I'll go Avengers and when I want to let my emotions get pulled, stomped on and eventually elevated I'll go TDKR. Either way totally winning!
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3:54AM on 07/26/2012
the Avengers was fun as hell..but I think the Dark Knight Rises was a better overall film
the Avengers was fun as hell..but I think the Dark Knight Rises was a better overall film
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3:42AM on 07/26/2012

LMAO

How in the hell does LOKI beat out BANE? Hahahaha thats hilarious. Avengers ruled, but Dark Knight Rises was better for many reasons, one main one being you knew the whole time, even before seeing the movie, that the Avengers would team up, and save the day, and itd be a done deal. But you had no clue what fate laid in store for Batman, or others involved.
How in the hell does LOKI beat out BANE? Hahahaha thats hilarious. Avengers ruled, but Dark Knight Rises was better for many reasons, one main one being you knew the whole time, even before seeing the movie, that the Avengers would team up, and save the day, and itd be a done deal. But you had no clue what fate laid in store for Batman, or others involved.
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2:52PM on 07/26/2012
Yeah, because that makes sense. Half way through, I figured out Tate was actually Talia. How'd Bane know the nuclear [insert plot device] even existed? Oh, League of Shadows. Wait, Bane isn't Ra's Al Ghul's kid; he had a daughter. GASP! The plot to DKR was flimsy and boring. Also, a man punched Wayne in the back to fix a dislocated vertebrae. SO COOL! (If you can't tell, I'm being facetious)
Yeah, because that makes sense. Half way through, I figured out Tate was actually Talia. How'd Bane know the nuclear [insert plot device] even existed? Oh, League of Shadows. Wait, Bane isn't Ra's Al Ghul's kid; he had a daughter. GASP! The plot to DKR was flimsy and boring. Also, a man punched Wayne in the back to fix a dislocated vertebrae. SO COOL! (If you can't tell, I'm being facetious)
3:21AM on 07/26/2012
I enjoyed both films, but both are very very different. It's easy to draw comparisons since they are big comic book films that came out in the summer of 2012, but they're not the same species and probably not even the same genus. The Avengers was a rollicking roller coaster ride, brimming from start to end with action, winning character moments, a deft script and smiles all around and a good bit of tension to even things out. The Dark Knight Rises was a rich, heavy, dramatic and unrelentingly
I enjoyed both films, but both are very very different. It's easy to draw comparisons since they are big comic book films that came out in the summer of 2012, but they're not the same species and probably not even the same genus. The Avengers was a rollicking roller coaster ride, brimming from start to end with action, winning character moments, a deft script and smiles all around and a good bit of tension to even things out. The Dark Knight Rises was a rich, heavy, dramatic and unrelentingly intense film. One might feel exhausted after watching it - but a fulfilled kind of exhausted, like after a long run. The Avengers was the end of one chapter (or phase, as Marvel/Disney calls it) and the start of a new one in that same world, while The Dark Knight Rises was the huge curtain call and the tearful goodbye. Both are definitely good films, but for different reasons.
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2:50AM on 07/26/2012
Tone is a tie? No way. The Avengers looks much more cheerful than The Dark Knight Rises whereas it's more bleak and less cheerful. For villain, Bane all the way. Loki is nothing comparing to Bane. My vote goes to The Dark Knight Rises.
Tone is a tie? No way. The Avengers looks much more cheerful than The Dark Knight Rises whereas it's more bleak and less cheerful. For villain, Bane all the way. Loki is nothing comparing to Bane. My vote goes to The Dark Knight Rises.
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2:47AM on 07/26/2012
Bane's army was uncontrollable AND partly made up of Gotham's poor. A villain that can sway a portion of a city to turn on itself is much more potent than a villain who leads an army that can be taken out with one action, like Loki's army.
Bane's army was uncontrollable AND partly made up of Gotham's poor. A villain that can sway a portion of a city to turn on itself is much more potent than a villain who leads an army that can be taken out with one action, like Loki's army.
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3:19PM on 07/26/2012
Since Talia wasn't the face of the uprising (Bane was), and since Bane was working with her all along, it's a moot point.
Since Talia wasn't the face of the uprising (Bane was), and since Bane was working with her all along, it's a moot point.
2:56PM on 07/26/2012
TALIA's army. TALIA. Bane was a pawn. How are people not getting this? Bane answered to Ra's Al Ghul's daughter, who was the leader of the League of Shadows. He was just a grunt, a high ranking grunt, but a grunt, nonetheless.
TALIA's army. TALIA. Bane was a pawn. How are people not getting this? Bane answered to Ra's Al Ghul's daughter, who was the leader of the League of Shadows. He was just a grunt, a high ranking grunt, but a grunt, nonetheless.
2:24AM on 07/26/2012
Come on, loki better than Bane? Loki never felt like an actual threat
Come on, loki better than Bane? Loki never felt like an actual threat
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9:06PM on 07/26/2012
Maybe I forgot a scene but but Loki pretty much kicks nobodies ass. Even one normal citizen is like fuck you man and then Captain America saves him.
Maybe I forgot a scene but but Loki pretty much kicks nobodies ass. Even one normal citizen is like fuck you man and then Captain America saves him.
2:58PM on 07/26/2012
If you punch Bane in the mouth, the fights over.
If you punch Bane in the mouth, the fights over.
3:16AM on 07/26/2012
The thing with Loki is that while Hiddleston played him perfectly, it always felt like the character's vendetta was with Thor alone, he didn't have too much against the whole gang, and probably wasn't the best villain to pit against them.
The thing with Loki is that while Hiddleston played him perfectly, it always felt like the character's vendetta was with Thor alone, he didn't have too much against the whole gang, and probably wasn't the best villain to pit against them.
2:34AM on 07/26/2012
Man, I did love Loki, but Bane scares the shit out of me. I think Loki over Bane was a bad call.
Man, I did love Loki, but Bane scares the shit out of me. I think Loki over Bane was a bad call.
2:21AM on 07/26/2012

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is a better movie but both were massive disappointments with horrible scripts.
THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is a better movie but both were massive disappointments with horrible scripts.
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2:21AM on 07/26/2012
Can't say I personally agree. While I greatly enjoyed The Avengers, to the point where I saw it three times in theaters, it lacks the power, the depth, and even the entertainment value of Nolan's film. Is Rises as good as TDK? Probably not, no. But I do think it is absolutely brilliant, and that comparisons to Return of the Jedi sell the film short (and again, I'm someone who loves Jedi).
I also feel that Rises beats Avengers for tone. Like everything, that's a matter of personal
Can't say I personally agree. While I greatly enjoyed The Avengers, to the point where I saw it three times in theaters, it lacks the power, the depth, and even the entertainment value of Nolan's film. Is Rises as good as TDK? Probably not, no. But I do think it is absolutely brilliant, and that comparisons to Return of the Jedi sell the film short (and again, I'm someone who loves Jedi).
I also feel that Rises beats Avengers for tone. Like everything, that's a matter of personal preference.
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10:05PM on 07/26/2012
"Another point is that Wayne just shows up in Gotham after leaving a prison in another country with no money, no passport, no vehicle, and no shoes!" Yes. Because he's BATMAN. Okay, I'm being kind of facetious. But I did personally love this movie--not blind worship, just contented enjoyment.
"Another point is that Wayne just shows up in Gotham after leaving a prison in another country with no money, no passport, no vehicle, and no shoes!" Yes. Because he's BATMAN. Okay, I'm being kind of facetious. But I did personally love this movie--not blind worship, just contented enjoyment.
8:10PM on 07/26/2012
kanashimi831, those are good points. Another point is that Wayne just shows up in Gotham after leaving a prison in another country with no money, no passport, no vehicle, and no shoes! But do any of these Nolan worshipers stop and say "how the hell did he get back so fast"???? Nope! Blind worship.

And I really did dig the first two, but thought TDK was very over rated. This one was just downright bad.
kanashimi831, those are good points. Another point is that Wayne just shows up in Gotham after leaving a prison in another country with no money, no passport, no vehicle, and no shoes! But do any of these Nolan worshipers stop and say "how the hell did he get back so fast"???? Nope! Blind worship.

And I really did dig the first two, but thought TDK was very over rated. This one was just downright bad.
3:08PM on 07/26/2012
I have to disagree. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion, but I felt DKR has a pretty flimsy plot. How did Bane know about the nuclear device? Why didn't Wayne think to ask that question? Why did the government sit and watch instead of doing something? It could be said that they didnt want to jeopardize the citizenry, but I seriously doubt they would let some psychopath with a mask sit on a city for 3 months. How did the bast not his Gotham? He had less that two minutes and the initial blast
I have to disagree. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion, but I felt DKR has a pretty flimsy plot. How did Bane know about the nuclear device? Why didn't Wayne think to ask that question? Why did the government sit and watch instead of doing something? It could be said that they didnt want to jeopardize the citizenry, but I seriously doubt they would let some psychopath with a mask sit on a city for 3 months. How did the bast not his Gotham? He had less that two minutes and the initial blast radius was 6 miles, not accounting for the aftershock and fallout after the explosion. It had so many plot holes that it just left me shaking my head.
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