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Face-Off: Batman (1989) vs. Batman Begins

05.17.2012by: Paul Huffman
Last weeks Face Off saw our readers ban together to remind us of the impact Star Wars had on their lives and cinema. No surprise there.

This week, we have Batman '89 vs. Batman Begins. The highly anticipated Dark Knight Rises is creeping around the corner, it seems fitting to discuss two films that breathed new air into the character of Batman and kept him fresh in the eyes of the public for years. So here we go...two films, two decades, two very different styles. Which is superior?
Style
Tim Burton and production designer Anton Furst took their unique style and threw it in our face with this film, and in my opinion it worked. Gone is any sign of life within Gotham City, gone is any sign of gray in the Batsuit, this is dark sh*t we're dealing with. It's funny when damn near the thing closest to light colors we get in Batman is the villains lavish suit. Thanks for the contrast Joker.
I loved the grounded, gritty, realistic style Nolan employed with this film. After the surreal gothic feel of Burton's films and the live action cartoon feel of Schumacher's installments, this really was the only way to bring a fresh feel to the table. What makes Begins take this category in my eyes is even with this believable feel Nolan still nailed the darkness that this story needs to have, specifically with the feel of Gotham City. There's no absence of darkness here.
Batman/Bruce Wayne
A lot of people had reservations on the casting of Michael Keaton as the caped crusader for Batman. Stars like Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, Charlie Sheen, Tom Selleck, and even Bill Murray were up for the part. Who knows what those men could have brought to the table, but to compliment Keaton on his performance it's one of those situations I can't imagine anyone would have done better. There's just something in Keaton's eyes that made you buy him as both Bruce Wayne (enough edge, with the right sense of humor) and Batman (the perfect amount of menace).
Christian Bale was given a much more developed character in Nolan's universe than Keaton got in Burton's films. This was an origin story, and enough of an engaging origin story that we're hooked enough until Bruce finally dons the cape. And yes, that is thanks to Bale's perfect portrayal of a tortured Bruce Wayne. When the suit finally comes into play, it's time to be entertained by Wayne's martial arts training from earlier, and the grating voice Bale adopted for Dark Knight wasn't as pronounced (save for one scene) and it was a plus.
Baddies
While I am a way bigger fan of Ledger's turn as the Joker in TDK, it can't be denied how much Nicholson rocked his version of the clown. It was way over the top, it was goofy, it was brilliant. The Joker contrasted the type of Batman we got it this film beautifully, and in between his cartoonish antics proved to be a formidable foe for Batsy. It was blast to see Jack having fun with the part. Like most though, I didn't really dig the angle of how Joker came into play in Bruce Wayne's past.
The villains were great here don't get me wrong...but we ultimately didn't get to see much of Ra's Al Ghul, which disappointed me. But what we did see I loved, especially his mentorship of Wayne before sh*t hit the fan. A lot of depth to the character. Scarecrow was great and menacing for most of the film, but sort of fizzled out in the end I felt the character was cheated. Small gripe though. Tom Wilkinson nailed Falcone and got some of the best lines in the film I think. Bottom line is the actors who got villain roles in this film brought their A game, but Nicholson's Joker holds a special place in my heart.
Soundtrack
Danny Elfman came on board for Batman and does what he does best and gave me what has ultimately become one of my favorite scores period. It's been said that for inspiration Elfman was given The Dark Knight Returns to read and ultimately worked from the songs that Prince and Michael Jackson provided to develop what we ultimately got in the finished product. Well...it worked.
Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard collaborated to give us a memorable score for Batman Begins. The music brought a lot to the training sequence, the emotional moments after the loss of Bruce's parents, and the first appearance of the Batman. While I think Elfman's score is superior, Zimmer and Howard were definitely no slouches. Bravo.
Overall
Tim Burton's style worked for this source material. Over the top, larger than life, in your face style. Keaton made for a great Bruce Wayne/Batman for two films and while Burton's approach turned many people off, for a lot of people it worked and it's legacy proves that. Nicholson gave us a great villain and Kim Basinger gave us great female presence in the film, she was beautiful and magnetic. My point is, with all the hype surrounding Nolan's universe, we should never count out what Burton accomplished.
Who knows if someone else could have came along and revitalized Batman as well as Chris Nolan has, but two films in and the looks of the upcoming conclusion I find it hard to believe that it's possible. Nolan knew what the character needed and he developed a great story, and brought along a great cast and crew to make it happen. Bottom line the best compliment I can give Batman Begins is it's the best origin story we've ever gotten. Full of win!
IT'S A TIE!
Well my friends, it seems we've reached a stalemate. It makes sense, these films couldn't be more different in their approach but they are both undeniable classics. Some find Nolan's films overrated. Do you ultimately agree? Has nothing knocked the original Batman live action film of its pedestal? Let's get this tie breaker moving.

If you have an idea that you'd like to see in a future FACE OFF column, feel free to shoot an email to me at paulhuffman@joblo.com with your ideas and some ideas for the critique to base your ideas off. Thank you and in the meantime...

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5:20AM on 05/21/2012

I prefer Batman Begins

I'm going with Batman Begins on this one. One of the reasons why I loved it so much was how suprisingly good the final product was. I was a big fan of Christian Bale back then but even he was hit and miss sometimes and I knew little about Nolan. After B&R I thought Batman was done, I didn't like the design of the Tumbler, etc. But then the reviews came in and I decided to go and I was left in awe how adult, interesting, entertaining and badass it was. It had everything, Batman finally kicking
I'm going with Batman Begins on this one. One of the reasons why I loved it so much was how suprisingly good the final product was. I was a big fan of Christian Bale back then but even he was hit and miss sometimes and I knew little about Nolan. After B&R I thought Batman was done, I didn't like the design of the Tumbler, etc. But then the reviews came in and I decided to go and I was left in awe how adult, interesting, entertaining and badass it was. It had everything, Batman finally kicking ass, a believable surrounding, logical plot, physically challenging villain, even something like freakin Zombies. The climax was fantastic but the road to it was engaging as well. Bruce's character was never as fleshed out before and it proved that he is an interesting protagonist all on himself not just becuase of his villains.

I'm not saying that Batman ad 1989 is bad. Hell, I basically grew up on it. But even as a kid I couldn't help but notice that the action was realized poorly, in a time when action movies were all the rage, it didn't pack it couldn't compare with any of them. The suit hindered every move, fighting sequences were stiff and boring. While also the plot was extremely simple and unlike to complexity that one can find in the comics. Keaton did a good job, but a part from a few scenes his performance relied on brooding in front of a camera and he was ultimately completely overshadowed by Nicholson. Who is of course a strength of the movie, but he, the gothic feel and the music are the only saving graces, which sufficed me back then but now the movie comes of as shallow, especially in comparison. (Plus the fx have really gotten old. That Gotham look? Not so amazing today)

However, if I had to judge it by your criteria I'd go: style - Batman, Bruce - BB, baddies - Batman, soundtrack - Batman if we consider Elfman only, overall - BB. So it seems like a tie again, but if we were to consider elements such as plot structure, cinematography, f/x, action, supporting characters, than Batman Begins wins it with ease for me.
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4:18PM on 05/18/2012
I do NOW prefer Batman Begins (and TDK) over Burton's movies, but Batman '89 will always have a nostalgic place in me because I absolutely loved it when I first saw it, growing up. I prefer BB now because I'm a sucker for character arcs and symbolism. While the characters are the same, the two movies have very little in common. My vote goes to BB, but I don't blame you for giving them a tie.
I do NOW prefer Batman Begins (and TDK) over Burton's movies, but Batman '89 will always have a nostalgic place in me because I absolutely loved it when I first saw it, growing up. I prefer BB now because I'm a sucker for character arcs and symbolism. While the characters are the same, the two movies have very little in common. My vote goes to BB, but I don't blame you for giving them a tie.
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12:11PM on 05/18/2012
Burton's Batman movie is easily the better one, and it's not even something I have to contemplate. I rented Batman Begins about 6 years ago or so, and I still want my money and time back. I didn't really care for any of the characters, and it just didn't catch my attention like Burton's movies did (or the original one from 1966 for that matter). I don't really see all the hype for the Nolan movies, but that's fine; to each their own. I just have much better memories of Batman, and I feel it
Burton's Batman movie is easily the better one, and it's not even something I have to contemplate. I rented Batman Begins about 6 years ago or so, and I still want my money and time back. I didn't really care for any of the characters, and it just didn't catch my attention like Burton's movies did (or the original one from 1966 for that matter). I don't really see all the hype for the Nolan movies, but that's fine; to each their own. I just have much better memories of Batman, and I feel it a much more enjoyable experience, as opposed to the Nolan movies, which I basically have to force myself to sit through.
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11:03AM on 05/18/2012
I think Begins is a far better comic book adaptation to the origin of the Dark Knight. Burton's missed a lot of stuff, including Gordon and Fox's relationship. Batman would have a difficult time without Fox's toys, and Freeman played the part perfect. I love Burton's movie, don't get me wrong, but Nolan's movie is a far better and more complete vision.
I think Begins is a far better comic book adaptation to the origin of the Dark Knight. Burton's missed a lot of stuff, including Gordon and Fox's relationship. Batman would have a difficult time without Fox's toys, and Freeman played the part perfect. I love Burton's movie, don't get me wrong, but Nolan's movie is a far better and more complete vision.
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12:06AM on 05/18/2012
Both movies were great, 89 caught the world by storm and brought the super heros back to the movies. Begins holds a better over time though. What I really liked in Nolan's universe is the relationship between Batman and Gordon, Burton completely missed on that.
Both movies were great, 89 caught the world by storm and brought the super heros back to the movies. Begins holds a better over time though. What I really liked in Nolan's universe is the relationship between Batman and Gordon, Burton completely missed on that.
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8:30PM on 05/17/2012

Whaaaa...

Begins is a way better film then Burton's Batman. I grew up watching Batman and I remember going to see it when I was a kid and I enjoyed it but honestly it doesn't hold up at all.
Begins is a way better film then Burton's Batman. I grew up watching Batman and I remember going to see it when I was a kid and I enjoyed it but honestly it doesn't hold up at all.
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7:32PM on 05/17/2012

Begins

Batman 1989 does not hold up well over time. It's rather flat and dry, actually. Keaton, Nicholson and the design of Gotham itself are the highlights. I preferred Returns as a child, and still do. Begins and TDK (and Mask of the Phantasm) are THE Batman films.
Batman 1989 does not hold up well over time. It's rather flat and dry, actually. Keaton, Nicholson and the design of Gotham itself are the highlights. I preferred Returns as a child, and still do. Begins and TDK (and Mask of the Phantasm) are THE Batman films.
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7:30PM on 05/17/2012

I already did this....

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6:13PM on 05/17/2012

'89 version the best

I saw this at the drive in when it came out. We took a beater car that we spray painted purple and green. Good times. Keaton will always be the best Batman hands down. Christian Bale's growling gets on my nerves. I could go on and on, but sorry, Batman Begins doesn't hold a candle to the '89 version.
I saw this at the drive in when it came out. We took a beater car that we spray painted purple and green. Good times. Keaton will always be the best Batman hands down. Christian Bale's growling gets on my nerves. I could go on and on, but sorry, Batman Begins doesn't hold a candle to the '89 version.
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4:45PM on 05/17/2012

you pussied out

Its a tie is so lame, have some balls and pick a winner. I think you were just afraid to piss off the nolantards by saying whats obvious. Batman (1989) is way better than Batman Begins.

The first half of BB is awesome then it goes into some hackneyed plot to gas the city. Nolan's Gotham is completely lacking any kind of personality and without all the signs that say "Gotham" youd think it was just some generic nameless city. Christian Bale's batvoice is lame and he can be replaced by any
Its a tie is so lame, have some balls and pick a winner. I think you were just afraid to piss off the nolantards by saying whats obvious. Batman (1989) is way better than Batman Begins.

The first half of BB is awesome then it goes into some hackneyed plot to gas the city. Nolan's Gotham is completely lacking any kind of personality and without all the signs that say "Gotham" youd think it was just some generic nameless city. Christian Bale's batvoice is lame and he can be replaced by any moody actor and youd get the same performance. Although you can say the same about Keaton, I dont think theres been a definitive Batman yet (I prefer Val Kilmer).
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4:06PM on 05/17/2012
I could never really get into Burton's Batman. Sure, for it's time, it made some big steps, but I could never connect with the characters on a thematic or emotional level. It was just....Batman, doing what he does. Nolan's Batman films have dealt mostly with the humanity of their characters and the underlying themes behind the entire Franchise. It's a film that testifies to how the entire franchise has evolved into: from the cheesy caped crusader who runs around punching bad guys to the depths
I could never really get into Burton's Batman. Sure, for it's time, it made some big steps, but I could never connect with the characters on a thematic or emotional level. It was just....Batman, doing what he does. Nolan's Batman films have dealt mostly with the humanity of their characters and the underlying themes behind the entire Franchise. It's a film that testifies to how the entire franchise has evolved into: from the cheesy caped crusader who runs around punching bad guys to the depths of who Batman and his villains really are.
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6:35PM on 05/17/2012
Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree more.
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3:52PM on 05/17/2012
My vote would definitely go to Batman Begins. I was surprised to see you award the soundtrack category to Batman. Sure, I love Elfman's score but watching it now, some of those 80s pop songs make me want to slit my wrists.
My vote would definitely go to Batman Begins. I was surprised to see you award the soundtrack category to Batman. Sure, I love Elfman's score but watching it now, some of those 80s pop songs make me want to slit my wrists.
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3:20PM on 05/17/2012
I would have preferred Batman Begins if it spent a little more time showing how he physically trained himself. When I saw the trailer, I expected a 12a version of Kickboxer!

Batman Begins jokes were cheesey. Burton's Batman - when Vicky Vale asks Bruce Wayne "Don't you get lonely in this room?" his response... "I've never been in this room before." - Rich git
I would have preferred Batman Begins if it spent a little more time showing how he physically trained himself. When I saw the trailer, I expected a 12a version of Kickboxer!

Batman Begins jokes were cheesey. Burton's Batman - when Vicky Vale asks Bruce Wayne "Don't you get lonely in this room?" his response... "I've never been in this room before." - Rich git
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2:51PM on 05/17/2012
Burton. I miss the horns blaring when Batman makes an entrance. Fortunately Arkham City kept those fun feelings alive.
Burton. I miss the horns blaring when Batman makes an entrance. Fortunately Arkham City kept those fun feelings alive.
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2:39PM on 05/17/2012
WOW its almost like asking which of my 2 boys i love more, but what we have to remember is when Batman came out, before that Batman was Adam West bright colours silly dancing etc, when BUrton's came out it gave us what the comic book character actually is, moody guy with cool toys, then schummaccer fucked it up years go by and Bam! its Begins which at the time was the listerine to Batman and Robin, which of course built it up to The Dark KNIght, but good call in making it a tie
WOW its almost like asking which of my 2 boys i love more, but what we have to remember is when Batman came out, before that Batman was Adam West bright colours silly dancing etc, when BUrton's came out it gave us what the comic book character actually is, moody guy with cool toys, then schummaccer fucked it up years go by and Bam! its Begins which at the time was the listerine to Batman and Robin, which of course built it up to The Dark KNIght, but good call in making it a tie
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2:38PM on 05/17/2012
I think both are great, in their own right. Burton took Gotham and made it a very steam punk Gothic tale with a scary, yet comical take on the infamous Joker. On the other hand, Nolan has made Gotham feel like it is a real city with some sprinkles of fantasy here and there. I love both of the movies, but I prefer Nolan's take on Batman--especially after Batman Returns which seemed more like a cooky Burton movie just with Batman in it.
I think both are great, in their own right. Burton took Gotham and made it a very steam punk Gothic tale with a scary, yet comical take on the infamous Joker. On the other hand, Nolan has made Gotham feel like it is a real city with some sprinkles of fantasy here and there. I love both of the movies, but I prefer Nolan's take on Batman--especially after Batman Returns which seemed more like a cooky Burton movie just with Batman in it.
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2:32PM on 05/17/2012

not a fanboy of either Burton or Nolan

but Batman 1989 takes the cake here, easy! If we're comparing #2's though, TDK > BR
but Batman 1989 takes the cake here, easy! If we're comparing #2's though, TDK > BR
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1:33PM on 05/17/2012
Burton's Batman for me... I could break it down with so many nitpicks but I don't think anyone cares, I'll just say the tumblr is butt ugly and that old 80s Batmobile is just a thing of celestial beauty.
Burton's Batman for me... I could break it down with so many nitpicks but I don't think anyone cares, I'll just say the tumblr is butt ugly and that old 80s Batmobile is just a thing of celestial beauty.
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1:07PM on 05/17/2012
Nolan's darker looks at Gotham work best for me . Loved the Original , but I'm ecstatic with Bale and Nolan's work . BATMAN BEGINS .
Nolan's darker looks at Gotham work best for me . Loved the Original , but I'm ecstatic with Bale and Nolan's work . BATMAN BEGINS .
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12:24PM on 05/17/2012
Oops, double post.
Oops, double post.
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12:19PM on 05/17/2012
Smart move making this a tie. Otherwise you would have had the war of Burtonians and Nolanites on your hands.
Smart move making this a tie. Otherwise you would have had the war of Burtonians and Nolanites on your hands.
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12:11PM on 05/17/2012

Conflicting thoughts

I guess now I know why all those Star Wars fanatics (I am one too) picked the Star Wars trilogy over LOTR, but now I also truly understand why they are so wrong. I was about to side with BATMAN 89' because it had a bigger impact in my life and was much more of a phenomenom than BEGINS and more memorable, but simply put, BEGINS is a better crafted film and the story is way better in terms of Batman's Origin, which wasn't changed(cough#A.SPIDERMAN), just more fully explained and mapped out
I guess now I know why all those Star Wars fanatics (I am one too) picked the Star Wars trilogy over LOTR, but now I also truly understand why they are so wrong. I was about to side with BATMAN 89' because it had a bigger impact in my life and was much more of a phenomenom than BEGINS and more memorable, but simply put, BEGINS is a better crafted film and the story is way better in terms of Batman's Origin, which wasn't changed(cough#A.SPIDERMAN), just more fully explained and mapped out better. While BATMAN 89' will always be in my heart. The question here is.. Which is the better film, not which film had a bigger impact on our lives or that we remember more fondly.
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6:39PM on 05/17/2012
I am the most crazy fucking star wars fan ever dude. And i go with BEGINS all the way.
I am the most crazy fucking star wars fan ever dude. And i go with BEGINS all the way.
11:31AM on 05/17/2012
I hate to say it, Batman Begins is a good movie, but it seemed to drag for me it felt really long, which is something you never want to feel from a Super Hero movie. It is okay for it to be long, but not okay for it to feel long.
I hate to say it, Batman Begins is a good movie, but it seemed to drag for me it felt really long, which is something you never want to feel from a Super Hero movie. It is okay for it to be long, but not okay for it to feel long.
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11:28AM on 05/17/2012
Both amazingly well done flicks. Classics. They are what all comic movies should aspire to be.
Both amazingly well done flicks. Classics. They are what all comic movies should aspire to be.
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11:27AM on 05/17/2012
Burton's Batman had Prince doing the soundtrack tunes. Pretty Epic. Overall I think Nolan's Batman Begins had a more believable story, less cartoonish. The Joker is a better villain than Ra's al Ghul. The Scarecrow was pretty cool though, but perhaps too much like a Horror movie villain. The scarecrow mask was like Jason in Friday the Thirteenth part II. Scarecrow was terrifying. I'm going to give the edge to Burton's movie because it started it all.
Burton's Batman had Prince doing the soundtrack tunes. Pretty Epic. Overall I think Nolan's Batman Begins had a more believable story, less cartoonish. The Joker is a better villain than Ra's al Ghul. The Scarecrow was pretty cool though, but perhaps too much like a Horror movie villain. The scarecrow mask was like Jason in Friday the Thirteenth part II. Scarecrow was terrifying. I'm going to give the edge to Burton's movie because it started it all.
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11:18AM on 05/17/2012
I really love the first half of Batman Begins. Bruce's dynamic progression is really interesting. However, once he decides to become Batman, he is overly dry and unrealistically convicted. The entire Bruce Wayne character is side-lined as hyper-gritty douche bag. My only complaint with Nolan's franchise is that it is MORE realistic than real life, in that it is unbelievably dry and serious. I appreciated Keaton's humanity as Bruce Wayne. From a technical thematic standpoint, Nolan's films
I really love the first half of Batman Begins. Bruce's dynamic progression is really interesting. However, once he decides to become Batman, he is overly dry and unrealistically convicted. The entire Bruce Wayne character is side-lined as hyper-gritty douche bag. My only complaint with Nolan's franchise is that it is MORE realistic than real life, in that it is unbelievably dry and serious. I appreciated Keaton's humanity as Bruce Wayne. From a technical thematic standpoint, Nolan's films are peerless, but without much heart, they fail to really grab hold of me.
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11:23AM on 05/17/2012
Batman by an inch!
Batman by an inch!
10:58AM on 05/17/2012

Batman Begins

Simply because this one actually has an ORIGIN story whereas the other does not. Yeah, we all love Batman, but why? Just because he's cool and badass? BB so properly analyzed the psychy of Bruce and exactly what turned him from a vindictive orphan to a symbol of justice. We get to see him built his Batman persona brick by brick. BATMAN had a better villain (ofcourse) and still supercool & stylish to this day with lots of iconic moments, but as a movie, more so as a Batman Origin movie, BATMAN
Simply because this one actually has an ORIGIN story whereas the other does not. Yeah, we all love Batman, but why? Just because he's cool and badass? BB so properly analyzed the psychy of Bruce and exactly what turned him from a vindictive orphan to a symbol of justice. We get to see him built his Batman persona brick by brick. BATMAN had a better villain (ofcourse) and still supercool & stylish to this day with lots of iconic moments, but as a movie, more so as a Batman Origin movie, BATMAN BEGINS is just the better one.
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9:54AM on 05/17/2012

Batman > Begins

Hell, I will watch Forever again before Nolan's Batman movies. I love Nolan as a director but his non-comic book movie of a comic book super hero just puts me to sleep every time. And yes, that stupid grandpa who smoked all his life voice of Bale's Batman drives me nuts.
Hell, I will watch Forever again before Nolan's Batman movies. I love Nolan as a director but his non-comic book movie of a comic book super hero just puts me to sleep every time. And yes, that stupid grandpa who smoked all his life voice of Bale's Batman drives me nuts.
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9:51AM on 05/17/2012

NO MORE TIES

That goes for sub-categories, and ESPECIALLY the final verdict. Stop trying to please everyone.
That goes for sub-categories, and ESPECIALLY the final verdict. Stop trying to please everyone.
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9:30AM on 05/17/2012
BATMAN deserves a lot of credit because, without it, we never would have gotten BATMAN BEGINS. Michael Keaton defied everyone's expectations and held his own against Jack Nicholson's Joker, which is no easy task.

With that said, BATMAN BEGINS is the definitive Batman movie. It was the first movie that dared to show Bruce Wayne as a human being with deep psychological issues. It gave him the origin that we needed to see and gave characters like Gordon and Alfred, who were criminally underused
BATMAN deserves a lot of credit because, without it, we never would have gotten BATMAN BEGINS. Michael Keaton defied everyone's expectations and held his own against Jack Nicholson's Joker, which is no easy task.

With that said, BATMAN BEGINS is the definitive Batman movie. It was the first movie that dared to show Bruce Wayne as a human being with deep psychological issues. It gave him the origin that we needed to see and gave characters like Gordon and Alfred, who were criminally underused in the original movies, the treatment they so deserved. was also one of the first comic book movies to use a cast of Academy Award nominees, proving that superhero movies could be more than kids entertainment.
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9:27AM on 05/17/2012
Bale embodied a more deeply written character, but Keaton played Batman better. To me, Bale's performance always felt like Bruce Wayne wearing an outfit.
Bale embodied a more deeply written character, but Keaton played Batman better. To me, Bale's performance always felt like Bruce Wayne wearing an outfit.
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9:10AM on 05/17/2012
Lol way to go out on a limb and make a decision one way or the other. They are both great movies. I thought Keaton was a fabulous Batman, and I still say could have pulled off Batman in Nolan's version. I was in high school when Burtons came out and loved it but over the years as I've gotten older I prefer Batman Begins a hundred-fold over Batman. I have never been so totally blown away by a movie as I was in the theater watching Begins for the 1st time.
Lol way to go out on a limb and make a decision one way or the other. They are both great movies. I thought Keaton was a fabulous Batman, and I still say could have pulled off Batman in Nolan's version. I was in high school when Burtons came out and loved it but over the years as I've gotten older I prefer Batman Begins a hundred-fold over Batman. I have never been so totally blown away by a movie as I was in the theater watching Begins for the 1st time.
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8:28AM on 05/17/2012
They're very different takes on the character and I hope to see something different again from whoever takes the reins with Batman next. I always felt Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker was significantly influenced by Cesar Romero's, but he was a great choice for the role anyway.
Overall I'd say the 1989 version is the better portrayal of Batman, but I still love what Nolan's done with his take on the Batverse.
They're very different takes on the character and I hope to see something different again from whoever takes the reins with Batman next. I always felt Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker was significantly influenced by Cesar Romero's, but he was a great choice for the role anyway.
Overall I'd say the 1989 version is the better portrayal of Batman, but I still love what Nolan's done with his take on the Batverse.
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7:47AM on 05/17/2012
I think Batman Begins might be my favorite super-hero movie. More than the sequel, it seemed to put a new spin on the genre reminding us Bruce Wayne is a really messed-up person inside.
I think Batman Begins might be my favorite super-hero movie. More than the sequel, it seemed to put a new spin on the genre reminding us Bruce Wayne is a really messed-up person inside.
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6:33AM on 05/17/2012
Tims Batman - Theme music, Batcave, Batcomputer, Batmobile, Batwing, Gothic Gotham, Jokers Origin, Batman cracks Jokers formula.

Nolan - Longer origin, No Bat-cave, mobile, computer, wing, and what exactly is Batman solving in it? Oh and a Scarecrow with a bag on his head.

Before Tims movie no one took Batman seriously! They only thought of Adam West. It was an uphill battle and the movie was so successful it started a second Batmania, and was still a Batman film, even thought Tim brought
Tims Batman - Theme music, Batcave, Batcomputer, Batmobile, Batwing, Gothic Gotham, Jokers Origin, Batman cracks Jokers formula.

Nolan - Longer origin, No Bat-cave, mobile, computer, wing, and what exactly is Batman solving in it? Oh and a Scarecrow with a bag on his head.

Before Tims movie no one took Batman seriously! They only thought of Adam West. It was an uphill battle and the movie was so successful it started a second Batmania, and was still a Batman film, even thought Tim brought his own style to it.

Nolan didnt have much stuff that is unique to Batman. His film is just about a guy who becomes a vigilante and wears a costume similar to a comic character called Batman. Same goes for Dark Knight. If you changed the dialogue in TDK, the movie couldve been a Green Arrow movie - hes rich and has gadgets. I still enjoy Nolans movies, but they are not really true Batman films. I guess thats ok for people who dont actually care about Batman. Ask anyone who loves TDK and see if they know what the Court of Owls is. I bet most dont. Look at the Joker, Batman created his own enemy and cannot kill him because of guilt. But in Nolans universe, Joker just appears. That takes away the entire point of it, and makes it less Batman-ish. Whatever, thumbs down me because I went against our Nolan God, even though I like his films and think he is a good film-maker, and I am still excited to see Rises.
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7:11PM on 05/17/2012
i cant believe this is still going on. I saw batman begins twice in theatres, got it on dvd then on bluray then taking a vacation day to see dark knight knight first showing in imax, and then getting the dvd and bluray and taking another vacation day to see Rises in imax and buying all the batman dvds, cartoons (animated series, beyond, the batman, brave and the bold) and the black and white serials, the tim/joel series on dvd and bluray, all the dc films and i currently collect the new 52
i cant believe this is still going on. I saw batman begins twice in theatres, got it on dvd then on bluray then taking a vacation day to see dark knight knight first showing in imax, and then getting the dvd and bluray and taking another vacation day to see Rises in imax and buying all the batman dvds, cartoons (animated series, beyond, the batman, brave and the bold) and the black and white serials, the tim/joel series on dvd and bluray, all the dc films and i currently collect the new 52 batman, and own over 3 long boxes filled with batman comics for someone to tell me that i dont know batman and am misguided, simply because i feel that the tim burton batman is closer to the comic and i enjoy it more than begins? are you for real?
3:49PM on 05/17/2012
You know what they say about opinions and assholes? Everybody has one. Yours is just more misguided.
You know what they say about opinions and assholes? Everybody has one. Yours is just more misguided.
11:35AM on 05/17/2012
Hahahaha – Only the hundreds of thousands of people buying the comics care.
And if people dont know about comic stuff, then why change the story to anything?
Anyway go suck Nolans cock, since you’re obviously a fag who cannot read. I said I liked his movies.
I saw batman begins twice in the theatre. I only meant that my opinion is worth more than yours!
Hahahaha – Only the hundreds of thousands of people buying the comics care.
And if people dont know about comic stuff, then why change the story to anything?
Anyway go suck Nolans cock, since you’re obviously a fag who cannot read. I said I liked his movies.
I saw batman begins twice in the theatre. I only meant that my opinion is worth more than yours!
9:41AM on 05/17/2012
want some tissues for your tears? They make movies so that more than just the comic fans go and see it. No one gives a shit what the Court of Owls is.
want some tissues for your tears? They make movies so that more than just the comic fans go and see it. No one gives a shit what the Court of Owls is.
7:08AM on 05/17/2012
First off, i have 30 long boxes filled with comics and 3 of those is batman. Second, i own every single dvd/bluray release of every batman related cartoon, movie, serial or tv show that you can possibly buy. So dont tell me i dont know batman.

And you very well know that the Killing Joke is the most popular version of Jokers origin.

Your only point seems to be that Batman kills, what does he kill 100 people in the movie? Batman doesnt save Ras in Begins, that's as good as killing
First off, i have 30 long boxes filled with comics and 3 of those is batman. Second, i own every single dvd/bluray release of every batman related cartoon, movie, serial or tv show that you can possibly buy. So dont tell me i dont know batman.

And you very well know that the Killing Joke is the most popular version of Jokers origin.

Your only point seems to be that Batman kills, what does he kill 100 people in the movie? Batman doesnt save Ras in Begins, that's as good as killing him.

This is a numbers game, Tims batman has more actual batman related stuff than Nolans. Thats it. I still like both movies as i stated. But dont insult me when i have been collecting comics for over 25 years. State your opinion, and disagree with me, but dont tell me i dont know something.
6:41AM on 05/17/2012
The Joker was never 'created' by Batman. That's purely Burton's version. The comicsleave the Joker's origin as unknown (touched on in Nolan's TDK where he used "The Killing Joke" as his reference material).

Burton's Batman kills indiscriminately, unlike the Batman from the comics. Nolan's Batman doesn't kill.

Btw, I say this as both a Batman fan, and a former comic book store owner; you don't know Batman.
The Joker was never 'created' by Batman. That's purely Burton's version. The comicsleave the Joker's origin as unknown (touched on in Nolan's TDK where he used "The Killing Joke" as his reference material).

Burton's Batman kills indiscriminately, unlike the Batman from the comics. Nolan's Batman doesn't kill.

Btw, I say this as both a Batman fan, and a former comic book store owner; you don't know Batman.
6:19AM on 05/17/2012

BRAVO

Having watched both films recently over and over again I have to say it's Batman 1989. There's a special place in my heart for that movie. Batman/Joker/Vicki Vale all were perfect and slightly campy in the right the places.

However Nolan brought in a look for a movie that felt like a complete breath of fresh air. The stylised manner in which they tell the story of the the Dark Knight is like watching a painting come to life. Burton gave a more claustrophobic look to the movie.

Strangely
Having watched both films recently over and over again I have to say it's Batman 1989. There's a special place in my heart for that movie. Batman/Joker/Vicki Vale all were perfect and slightly campy in the right the places.

However Nolan brought in a look for a movie that felt like a complete breath of fresh air. The stylised manner in which they tell the story of the the Dark Knight is like watching a painting come to life. Burton gave a more claustrophobic look to the movie.

Strangely both films deal with similar issues, the main plot is about chemically poisoning the citizens of Gotham causing a riot. Scarecrow and Joker both have close relations to mental behaviour. Crime Boss controlling copsThe love interest is rescued in the same way and the endings are pretty similar (the Bat signal part).

Whenever they showed BW being trained in Nepal is a treat to watch. Some so unique the photography. I wish there was more to Ra's Al Guhl but I take what I can get.



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5:51AM on 05/17/2012

BATMAN

If there's one category where Tim Burton's Batman movies easily tops Nolan's is the style. I really love Nolan's version, but I will always miss Burton's Gothic style for Gotham.
And while Zimmer and Newton-Howard are two of the best composers working nowadays, they can't top Elfman's masterpiece of music.
If there's one category where Tim Burton's Batman movies easily tops Nolan's is the style. I really love Nolan's version, but I will always miss Burton's Gothic style for Gotham.
And while Zimmer and Newton-Howard are two of the best composers working nowadays, they can't top Elfman's masterpiece of music.
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5:32AM on 05/17/2012
I'm old enough to remember the teaser trailer for Burton's Batman coming out about 9 months before the movie was released. Keaton says the "I'm Batman." line (which was in his own, squeaky voice) and the entire theater burst out in laughter. 3 months before the movie was released, they remixed the voice to make it sound deeper.

I never dug Burton's take on Batman (because he kills WAY too many people), and absolutely despised Keaton in the role of Bruce Wayne (I mean, c'mon, hanging upside
I'm old enough to remember the teaser trailer for Burton's Batman coming out about 9 months before the movie was released. Keaton says the "I'm Batman." line (which was in his own, squeaky voice) and the entire theater burst out in laughter. 3 months before the movie was released, they remixed the voice to make it sound deeper.

I never dug Burton's take on Batman (because he kills WAY too many people), and absolutely despised Keaton in the role of Bruce Wayne (I mean, c'mon, hanging upside down asleep in the fucking closet (which wasn't a veiled metaphor at all)?!?). The stupidity of the whole "you made me" arguing between the joker and Batman (which was made even more stupid by removing Joe Chill as the killer of Wayne's parents). I get it, if this is the first superhero movie you grew up with, but nostalgia still doesn't make this a good (or even watchable) movie now.

Nolan got the facts right, and understood that Wayne is the mask that Batman wears, not the other way around. And more importantly, Nolan got that Batman doesn't kill. Something lost entirely on Burton.
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3:48PM on 05/17/2012
Yes Batman did let Rahs Al Ghul die at the end of Batman Begins but he didn't murder an entire warehouse full of criminals by dropping bomobs with an unmanned batmobile. I think that level of murder definitely trumps not saving one man. I'm not even going to get into letting Joker die at the end which is basically the same as letting Ras die.
Yes Batman did let Rahs Al Ghul die at the end of Batman Begins but he didn't murder an entire warehouse full of criminals by dropping bomobs with an unmanned batmobile. I think that level of murder definitely trumps not saving one man. I'm not even going to get into letting Joker die at the end which is basically the same as letting Ras die.
3:20PM on 05/17/2012
Well, I guess Bale´s "beatbox" does fare better in the voice-department. However there have alway been different versions of Batman, Miller´s for example was very violent and even Bob Kane´s original, early Batman used a gun and killed criminals. And I do think, that Burton indeed understood that Wayne is the fascade of Batman as well. He´s a loner, he´s bitter, he´s hiding in his cave and creates distance to every other person expect his old friend and butler, Alfred. So all these are
Well, I guess Bale´s "beatbox" does fare better in the voice-department. However there have alway been different versions of Batman, Miller´s for example was very violent and even Bob Kane´s original, early Batman used a gun and killed criminals. And I do think, that Burton indeed understood that Wayne is the fascade of Batman as well. He´s a loner, he´s bitter, he´s hiding in his cave and creates distance to every other person expect his old friend and butler, Alfred. So all these are the characterics are shared by both, Nolan´s an Burton´t take on Batman. What varivies is essentially the presentation.
9:25AM on 05/17/2012
While I agree with your thoughts on Burton's Batman, you did miss something about Nolan's Batman - he did kill in the end. He let Al Ghul plummet to his death in the train and to the Bat, that is the same as killing.

Burton's Batman movie is pretty much garbage as it does not hold up overtime, it was fun when it came out as we did not have anything like it at the time. Superman had been years prior and we went through quite the dry spell. Scrutinizing it, it was a mess and should not be
While I agree with your thoughts on Burton's Batman, you did miss something about Nolan's Batman - he did kill in the end. He let Al Ghul plummet to his death in the train and to the Bat, that is the same as killing.

Burton's Batman movie is pretty much garbage as it does not hold up overtime, it was fun when it came out as we did not have anything like it at the time. Superman had been years prior and we went through quite the dry spell. Scrutinizing it, it was a mess and should not be as loved as it is.
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5:28AM on 05/17/2012
Batman 1989 for me. Batman Begins is good but I always have a soft spot for Batman 1989. Besides, I think Michael Keaton is the best Bruce Wayne/Batman. Plus, Danny Elfman's scores of Batman is THE definitive Batman theme.
Batman 1989 for me. Batman Begins is good but I always have a soft spot for Batman 1989. Besides, I think Michael Keaton is the best Bruce Wayne/Batman. Plus, Danny Elfman's scores of Batman is THE definitive Batman theme.
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5:23AM on 05/17/2012
For me, Begins wins this easily. Batman (1989) is good, but not that good.
For me, Begins wins this easily. Batman (1989) is good, but not that good.
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3:57AM on 05/17/2012

Burton

Burton broke ground with the fight scenes, Nolan with the bike! Wasn't there something about casting Keaton against Nicholson because they looked like each other?
Burton broke ground with the fight scenes, Nolan with the bike! Wasn't there something about casting Keaton against Nicholson because they looked like each other?
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3:36AM on 05/17/2012
Honestly, a few years ago I would have given it to Begins, but after a few watches I now give it to Batman '89. To me it holds up better than Nolan's movies. Plus, how can you top The Joker murdering an entire museum full of people and then throwing a "party" over top of their corpses, all to woo a girl. This is the Joker of the comics. A murdering psychotic clown with a bit of class.
Honestly, a few years ago I would have given it to Begins, but after a few watches I now give it to Batman '89. To me it holds up better than Nolan's movies. Plus, how can you top The Joker murdering an entire museum full of people and then throwing a "party" over top of their corpses, all to woo a girl. This is the Joker of the comics. A murdering psychotic clown with a bit of class.
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4:11AM on 05/17/2012
I have to agree with you that Nicholson version really captures the character from the comics. I still enjoy Heath Leger's performance as he took the Joker up a notch and was much more terrifying. I guess they both just fit perfectly into the different Gothams that they come from. That would be the best way to put it.
I have to agree with you that Nicholson version really captures the character from the comics. I still enjoy Heath Leger's performance as he took the Joker up a notch and was much more terrifying. I guess they both just fit perfectly into the different Gothams that they come from. That would be the best way to put it.
4:01AM on 05/17/2012
I would personally say Nicholson. He was a madman. He was dark yet over-the-top funny, but would kill you and your entire family if you didn't laugh at his joke. His bipolar-ness made him very entertaining.

Ledger's take was a powerhouse, no doubt. He was more like Alex from a Clockwork Orange. He was very entertaining, very threatening, and killed to prove a bizarre insane point. His Joker had a purpose and believed in something.

Though, Ledger never felt like the insane random as
I would personally say Nicholson. He was a madman. He was dark yet over-the-top funny, but would kill you and your entire family if you didn't laugh at his joke. His bipolar-ness made him very entertaining.

Ledger's take was a powerhouse, no doubt. He was more like Alex from a Clockwork Orange. He was very entertaining, very threatening, and killed to prove a bizarre insane point. His Joker had a purpose and believed in something.

Though, Ledger never felt like the insane random as fuck killer clown of the comics. Nicholson nailed that aspect. Nicholson's Joker didn't believe in shit. One minute he would tell you that you are his number one guy, and the next randomly shoot you for no apparent reason.
3:47AM on 05/17/2012
Who was better, as in more enjoyable to watch, Ledger or Nicholson?
Who was better, as in more enjoyable to watch, Ledger or Nicholson?
3:28AM on 05/17/2012

What A Cop Out!

There should be a rule that you have to vote for one or the other. Otherwise, what's the point of a face off? Batman Begins get's my vote for a great origin story and a grittier Batman who actually does at least a little(not much but more than the 89 version) detective work. I still have a place in my heart for the original since I was young and was highly caught up in wearing batman T-shirts like everyone else. Good movie, but I still remember being slightly disappointed that they didn't show
There should be a rule that you have to vote for one or the other. Otherwise, what's the point of a face off? Batman Begins get's my vote for a great origin story and a grittier Batman who actually does at least a little(not much but more than the 89 version) detective work. I still have a place in my heart for the original since I was young and was highly caught up in wearing batman T-shirts like everyone else. Good movie, but I still remember being slightly disappointed that they didn't show Batman's origin,that they made the Joker the killer of his parents, and that Batman was a murderer. Let's not forget that Batman rolled into a warehouse and dropped bombs killing whoever was in that warehouse. Even with those gripes I did still love it at the time but it hasn't aged well at all.
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3:27AM on 05/17/2012
Batman 1989 was my first superhero movie ever. It came out when I was 2, and I saw it when I was 4. Batman Begins is, to me, the Batman movie that I have always wanted to see ever since seeing the first Batman. It lived-up to the benchmark that Tim Burton had set for the character. Batman influenced the Animated Series, which in turn influenced the tone of Batman for years to come, which then influenced Nolan and his franchise. Both are awesome, and I say a TIE is the perfect way to cap this
Batman 1989 was my first superhero movie ever. It came out when I was 2, and I saw it when I was 4. Batman Begins is, to me, the Batman movie that I have always wanted to see ever since seeing the first Batman. It lived-up to the benchmark that Tim Burton had set for the character. Batman influenced the Animated Series, which in turn influenced the tone of Batman for years to come, which then influenced Nolan and his franchise. Both are awesome, and I say a TIE is the perfect way to cap this Face-Off.
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3:27AM on 05/17/2012
WOW this one is tough for me as both were great takes on Batman, while Burtons was a straight up non origin movie & went right into the jist of Batman & i also quite enjoyed Batman Returns. I really liked the way Keaton brought more of a human element to Bruce Wayne as I have always thought Bale's performance makes him seems like more a bad ass superhero which Batman is clearly not. Now keep in mind that is not a knock on Bale & Nolan's version of Batman. He is one complicated character to
WOW this one is tough for me as both were great takes on Batman, while Burtons was a straight up non origin movie & went right into the jist of Batman & i also quite enjoyed Batman Returns. I really liked the way Keaton brought more of a human element to Bruce Wayne as I have always thought Bale's performance makes him seems like more a bad ass superhero which Batman is clearly not. Now keep in mind that is not a knock on Bale & Nolan's version of Batman. He is one complicated character to get right on screen. Yes it was fun to plau him campy like Adam West & Schumacher did but I don't think any comic character has the psychological background as Bruce Wayne or Batman. Therefore it is fair to call both these movies as dead on ties. Can't wait for TDKR.
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5:43AM on 05/17/2012
Sorry,man, but you obviously haven't read ANY of the comics, or seen any of the animated series or movies if you don't think Wayne is a 'bad ass superhero'. In the comics (and animated series AND movies), Batman is portrayed as the only non-powered human that can essentially take down all the heroes and villains on Earth single-handed, if he wanted to AND if he could kill people. He's portrayed as a paranoid loner that has contingency plans in place for everyone...including himself if they were
Sorry,man, but you obviously haven't read ANY of the comics, or seen any of the animated series or movies if you don't think Wayne is a 'bad ass superhero'. In the comics (and animated series AND movies), Batman is portrayed as the only non-powered human that can essentially take down all the heroes and villains on Earth single-handed, if he wanted to AND if he could kill people. He's portrayed as a paranoid loner that has contingency plans in place for everyone...including himself if they were ever to go rogue.

THAT'S a 'bad ass superhero'.
3:23AM on 05/17/2012

What A Cop Out!

There should be a rule that you have to vote for one or the other. Otherwise, what's the point of a face off? Batman Begins get's my vote for a great origin story and a grittier Batman who actually does at least a little(not much but more than the 89 version) detective work. I still have a place in my heart for the original since I was young and was highly caught up in wearing batman T-shirts like everyone else. Good movie, but I still remember being slightly disappointed that they didn't show
There should be a rule that you have to vote for one or the other. Otherwise, what's the point of a face off? Batman Begins get's my vote for a great origin story and a grittier Batman who actually does at least a little(not much but more than the 89 version) detective work. I still have a place in my heart for the original since I was young and was highly caught up in wearing batman T-shirts like everyone else. Good movie, but I still remember being slightly disappointed that they didn't show Batman's origin,that they made the Joker the killer of his parents, and that Batman was a murderer. Let's not forget that Batman rolled into a warehouse and dropped bombs killing whoever was in that warehouse. Even with those gripes I did still love it at the time but it hasn't aged well at all.
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3:20AM on 05/17/2012
"Batman" wins! Much more fun, isnt ashamed of its comic book roots and doesnt pretend to be "Heat with capes". And yes, Nolan is overrated! Now bring on the thumbs down, hipsters!
"Batman" wins! Much more fun, isnt ashamed of its comic book roots and doesnt pretend to be "Heat with capes". And yes, Nolan is overrated! Now bring on the thumbs down, hipsters!
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3:07PM on 05/17/2012
That´s why you´re the Dude, man!
That´s why you´re the Dude, man!
4:05AM on 05/17/2012
I happen to agree 110% with you and gave you a thumb up!
I happen to agree 110% with you and gave you a thumb up!
3:19AM on 05/17/2012
They're both brilliant and iconic in VERY different ways but I totally agree that Keaton's eyes were Batman's eyes. I've thought that for years.
They're both brilliant and iconic in VERY different ways but I totally agree that Keaton's eyes were Batman's eyes. I've thought that for years.
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3:13AM on 05/17/2012

a TIE?!?!?!......You've got to be kidding me.

Also Nicholson sucked. He just played himself, but with makeup on.
Also Nicholson sucked. He just played himself, but with makeup on.
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1:31AM on 05/17/2012
Agreed. Its a tie. I've watched 'Batman' several times since seeing 'Begins' and I was struck by how much MORE I appreciate the original than ever. The movies compliment each other in their own way. 'Begins' is gritty, operatic, serious exploration of the Bruce Wayne character and Batman's origin. The Tim Burton film is Bob Kane's imagination come to life...so deliciously Noirish and gothic. Funny, full of charm and action. Vicki Vale, Billy Dee's Harvey Dent, and of course,
Agreed. Its a tie. I've watched 'Batman' several times since seeing 'Begins' and I was struck by how much MORE I appreciate the original than ever. The movies compliment each other in their own way. 'Begins' is gritty, operatic, serious exploration of the Bruce Wayne character and Batman's origin. The Tim Burton film is Bob Kane's imagination come to life...so deliciously Noirish and gothic. Funny, full of charm and action. Vicki Vale, Billy Dee's Harvey Dent, and of course, Jack.

They're both fantastic. And for the record: while I think Christian Bale is hands down the best Bruce Wayne on film, Michael Keaton is the best Batman.
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1:23AM on 05/17/2012

Batman Begins

Going to have to go with Nolan's. I think it's going to age a lot better than Burton's has. I love both, but Nolan's is the one I think I'll be revisiting more often in the future.
Going to have to go with Nolan's. I think it's going to age a lot better than Burton's has. I love both, but Nolan's is the one I think I'll be revisiting more often in the future.
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1:15AM on 05/17/2012

Batman Begins

Nolan wins this one hands down. Although, if it were going up against Batman Returns, then it would be a different story.
Nolan wins this one hands down. Although, if it were going up against Batman Returns, then it would be a different story.
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1:12AM on 05/17/2012

Like them for different reasons

I like Batman '89 for the sheer fun that Jack Nicholson brought to the Joker role, and the very hidden, keep in the dark figure of Batman. I liked Michael Keaton's down to earth Batman. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the Christian Bale, husky, albeit completely different voice then Bruce Wayne, but the reality of it is that your voice would not be THAT different.

The Christian Bale Batman begins is set in a more realistic world then Batman '89, and the origin story was
I like Batman '89 for the sheer fun that Jack Nicholson brought to the Joker role, and the very hidden, keep in the dark figure of Batman. I liked Michael Keaton's down to earth Batman. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the Christian Bale, husky, albeit completely different voice then Bruce Wayne, but the reality of it is that your voice would not be THAT different.

The Christian Bale Batman begins is set in a more realistic world then Batman '89, and the origin story was superbly done, which I believe is where Batman '89 really lacks.

Both really great quality pictures though.
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1:09AM on 05/17/2012
Even though I love Tim Burton's Batman, Batman Begins wins this easily.
Even though I love Tim Burton's Batman, Batman Begins wins this easily.
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1:08AM on 05/17/2012

Batman (1989)

Better pacing, better atmosphere, better love interest, better score and sound track, better Batman voice- I LOVE the Burton Bat-verse whereas even though Nolan's Batman is more ambitious and serious, it still feels like more of Nolan's Batman vs. the comic Batman.
Better pacing, better atmosphere, better love interest, better score and sound track, better Batman voice- I LOVE the Burton Bat-verse whereas even though Nolan's Batman is more ambitious and serious, it still feels like more of Nolan's Batman vs. the comic Batman.
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