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Face Off: Captain America: The First Avenger vs. Man of Steel

Apr. 3, 2014by: Dave Davis
When last week's Face-Off column put Dutch's military team from PREDATOR up against the Colonial Marines from James Cameron's ALIENS, most of you thought that Arnie's band of heavily armed macho men should've taken first prize.

This weekend, Marvel's star-spangled champion returns to theaters in the sequel CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER. It's time to see how the flag-wearing super-soldier stands up against another famous superhero with a fondness for red-and-blue as we put CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER against Superman's latest big-screen incarnation MAN OF STEEL. The decades-old argument of Marvel vs. DC? Let the cross-comic conflict begin.
SUPER POWERS
Increased strength, metabolism, agility, tactical knowledge, and uncanny shield-throwing skill
Heat vision, super-hearing, flight, X-ray vision, and a ridiculous degree of super-strength
ORIGIN
During WWII, skinny and frail Steve Rogers wants nothing more than to serve his country. Offered an opportunity to become the subject of an experimental procedure, Rogers is injected with "super soldier" serum and transforms into costumed superhero Captain America, who becomes a symbol of hope for the masses
Delivered to Earth as an infant from a distant dying world called Krypton, Kal-El is adopted by a kindly Kansas couple and raised as their own as Clark Kent. His human father tries to teach him morality while convincing him to hide his true abilities from the world until absolutely necessary, leading Clark to wander the country secretly using his superpowers for good deeds
HOMETOWN
Brooklyn, New York
Smallville, Kansas -- although he's originally from planet Krypton, populated by an advanced spacefaring genetically engineered species that has ray guns and flying warships and pet dragon-beasts
VILLAIN
Johann Schmidt (Hugo Weaving), aka the Red Skull, a former Nazi officer turned Hydra leader obsessed with the Tesseract, a source of unlimited and unstoppable power. Schmidt is also the failed result of a previous experiment with the "super soldier" serum, which granted him remarkable strength but also corroded away his skin
General Zod (Michael Shannon), who attempts a coup of his world but is captured and banished to the Phantom Zone. Zod and his accomplices escape imprisonment and, seeking their world's genetic Codex, follow Kryptonian survivor Kal-El to Earth, which they try to take over and terraform into a new Krypton
COSTUME LETTER
The letter A, for America! The first and greatest letter of the alphabet! USA! USA! USA!
The letter S, for Superman -- wait, it's actually his family's Kryptonian emblem for "hope"? Never mind...
FATHER FIGURE
Dr. Abraham Erskine (Stanley Tucci), a defected German scientist who created the "super solder" serum
Jonathan "Pa" Kent (Kevin Costner), who tells Clark that the world isn't ready for him, and insists on perishing in a tornado

Also his biological father Kal-El (Russell Crowe), who appears in hologram form to reveal Clark's true nature and provide a snazzy history lesson of Krypton
LOVE INTEREST
Curvy and gorgeous British agent Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell), who can handle herself -- although the best demonstration of her abilities isn't until the Marvel One-Shot movie "Agent Carter" (and, let's hope, the proposed "Agent Carter" TV series)

(Cap also gets a quick smooch from "Game of Thrones" actress Natalie Dormer)
Spunky Daily Planet reporter Lois Lane (Amy Adams), who can handle herself -- as long as she gets assistance from Superman or a hologram of his biological dad
Other Accomplices
Best friend James "Bucky" Barnes (Sebastian Stan), cantankerous Army Colonel Phillips (Tommy Lee Jones), brilliant inventor Howard Stark (Dominic Cooper), and the "Howling Commandos"
A military scientist (Richard Schiff) and a couple of high-ranking Army officers (Chris Meloni, Harry Lennix)
ACTS OF HEROISM
Throws himself on a grenade to save fellow Army recruits, ventures alone behind enemy lines to liberate hundreds of POWs, crashes the Red Skull's plane into a glacier to prevent the weapons of mass destruction on board from obliterating the East Coast
Rescues a school bus full of students, saves a bunch of workers from a burning oil rig, catches a falling pilot, protects a family of four from General Zod's heat-vision

Loses points for paying little attention to his surroundings while battling evil Kryptonians, resulting in loads of excessive collateral damage in downtown Smallville and several blocks of Metropolis (plus one Wayne Enterprises satellite)
ACTOR
Chris Evans is no stranger to bringing comic book material to life after SCOTT PILGRIM VS THE WORLD, THE LOSERS and two FANTASTIC FOUR movies, not to mention voicing Casey Jones in the animated TMNT. (Plus he also visited deep space in SUNSHINE)
Before slipping on the billowing cape and physique-hugging supersuit, Henry Cavill was probably best known for his role on Showtime's saucy "The Tudors" and for battling Mickey Rourke in Tarsem Singh's stylized action-fantasy IMMORTALS
DIRECTOR
Joe Johnston had previous experience with a fun WWII-era comic adapation in THE ROCKETEER. He also directed JURASSIC PARK III, THE WOLFMAN, JUMANJI and the under-appreciated HIDALGO and OCTOBER SKY, while his early work included art and visual effects on RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK and the original STAR WARS trilogy
Zack Snyder moved from commercials and music videos to feature films with a successful remake of DAWN OF THE DEAD, then got valuable practice adapting comic material with the blockbuster bloodbath 300 and the fairly faithful WATCHMEN. He also directed the animated LEGEND OF THE GUARDIANS: THE OWLS OF GA'HOOLE and his faux-feminism fantasy SUCKER PUNCH
BOX OFFICE
$370 million worldwide
$668 million worldwide
CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER
Sorry, Superman (and Superfans), but overall this lifelong Marvel fanboy just thought Cap's pulpy first adventure was ultimately more entertaining (perhaps the best of Marvel's "Phase One"). I've honestly always found the character of Superman to be a bit stiff and dull, and Snyder's brooding, super-serious spin didn't do much to change my opinion there.

Sure, MAN OF STEEL made far more at the box office, but as the most recognizable superhero in the world, there's no reason he shouldn't. But the cheerless tone and rampant devastation didn't connect with me the way Cap's rousing wartime origin story and over-the-top megalomaniacal villain did. And while DC struggles to capitalize on collecting its popular characters on screen, CAPTAIN AMERICA served as a perfectly smooth segue for the hero into THE AVENGERS. (Also, Peggy Carter: YOWZA.)

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1:02PM on 04/04/2014
New thoughts. MoS is still the superior film from this column. But the Winter Soldier trumps all. Far superior to both films.
New thoughts. MoS is still the superior film from this column. But the Winter Soldier trumps all. Far superior to both films.
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12:32PM on 04/04/2014
Why am I not surprised by these results. People please! None of you would know the formula to make a great movie if it bit you in the ass. Yet you talk like you do know what it takes.
Why am I not surprised by these results. People please! None of you would know the formula to make a great movie if it bit you in the ass. Yet you talk like you do know what it takes.
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1:45AM on 04/04/2014
Man of steel was far better than cap.... Wtf! Seriously? Red skull was terrible. Zod owned !
Man of steel was far better than cap.... Wtf! Seriously? Red skull was terrible. Zod owned !
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1:00AM on 04/04/2014
Sorry, I thought you guys at Joblo started a new column, called 'One-Off'... then I suddenly realized that I was reading a Face-Off column.

Seriously though, Son of Krypton has nothing on 'Murica!
Sorry, I thought you guys at Joblo started a new column, called 'One-Off'... then I suddenly realized that I was reading a Face-Off column.

Seriously though, Son of Krypton has nothing on 'Murica!
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12:27AM on 04/04/2014

CAPTAIN AMERICA

this wasn't EVEN a contest....
this wasn't EVEN a contest....
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10:10PM on 04/03/2014

Man of Steel was far superior

Captain America: The First Avenger, The Incredible Hulk, the first Thor and Iron Man 2 all seemed pretty formulaic and truthfully, were a touch boring IMO.
Man of Steel, however, really made me look at how superhero movies are done in a new way. I think it obviously has the higher pedigree and stands up better than TFA, which I didn't even bother to pick up on Blu-ray.
Captain America: The First Avenger, The Incredible Hulk, the first Thor and Iron Man 2 all seemed pretty formulaic and truthfully, were a touch boring IMO.
Man of Steel, however, really made me look at how superhero movies are done in a new way. I think it obviously has the higher pedigree and stands up better than TFA, which I didn't even bother to pick up on Blu-ray.
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9:44PM on 04/03/2014
Every time I hear fanboys defend Man of Steel by calling everyone else idiots, all I can think of is Twilight fan girls. Man of Steel is the boy's version of Twilight. A bad movie for sure, but it oddly hits the right notes for tweens & teens.

Anyways, as far as comic book characters go, Superman is a better character than Captain America. But as far as recent movies go, the Captain is kicking Supes ass up and down the street.
Every time I hear fanboys defend Man of Steel by calling everyone else idiots, all I can think of is Twilight fan girls. Man of Steel is the boy's version of Twilight. A bad movie for sure, but it oddly hits the right notes for tweens & teens.

Anyways, as far as comic book characters go, Superman is a better character than Captain America. But as far as recent movies go, the Captain is kicking Supes ass up and down the street.
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11:32PM on 04/03/2014
Double post. My comment was too long to retype. But I agree 100% with the Twilight comparison.
Double post. My comment was too long to retype. But I agree 100% with the Twilight comparison.
11:32PM on 04/03/2014
Double post
Double post
9:54PM on 04/03/2014
Twilight? Really? No, its not the greatest comic movie but to compare it to twilight........you might actually deserve to be called an idiot based on that alone. I'm 34 by the way and enjoyed both movies just fine.
Twilight? Really? No, its not the greatest comic movie but to compare it to twilight........you might actually deserve to be called an idiot based on that alone. I'm 34 by the way and enjoyed both movies just fine.
9:31PM on 04/03/2014

No Contest...

Cap for sure. And truly, that is the shame of it all. The Cap movie was fun and really well done, with the patriotism nod also going to Cap. This should've been something that was used on "Man Of Steel" too.

Cap 1...Supes 0.
Cap for sure. And truly, that is the shame of it all. The Cap movie was fun and really well done, with the patriotism nod also going to Cap. This should've been something that was used on "Man Of Steel" too.

Cap 1...Supes 0.
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9:21PM on 04/03/2014

Don't see much to compare, really.

Also, if it was just on my preference for the movie itself, WINTER SOLDIER.

Man of Steel: 3/10
Winter Soldier: 6/10
Also, if it was just on my preference for the movie itself, WINTER SOLDIER.

Man of Steel: 3/10
Winter Soldier: 6/10
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9:08PM on 04/03/2014

Not the biggest fan of Cap America: The First Avenger

but it still beats Man of Stool, but then 90% of recent comic book movies do. Terrible piece of s**t.
but it still beats Man of Stool, but then 90% of recent comic book movies do. Terrible piece of s**t.
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4:27AM on 04/04/2014
Brilliant Nate, Man of Stool, Hilarious
Brilliant Nate, Man of Stool, Hilarious
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8:06PM on 04/03/2014
I'm as much of a fan of Superman as the next guy, but Man of Steel was a terrible, overblown film. While Captain America: The First Avenger wasn't perfect, it was MILES better than Man of Steel.
I'm as much of a fan of Superman as the next guy, but Man of Steel was a terrible, overblown film. While Captain America: The First Avenger wasn't perfect, it was MILES better than Man of Steel.
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7:57PM on 04/03/2014
Man of Steel was by far the superior film on every level.
Man of Steel was by far the superior film on every level.
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6:36PM on 04/03/2014
One is painfully mediocre. One is terrible.
One is painfully mediocre. One is terrible.
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6:33PM on 04/03/2014
I like the result. CA:TFA was a fun flick (with such a dour ending) whereas with MoS had the right beats but something felt off with the Dragonball-Z style level of destruction all being downplayed at the end. At least when there was destruction in CA:TFA you at least had Cap checking on people, apologizing or his targets was shown as villains and not civilians caught in crossfire.
I like the result. CA:TFA was a fun flick (with such a dour ending) whereas with MoS had the right beats but something felt off with the Dragonball-Z style level of destruction all being downplayed at the end. At least when there was destruction in CA:TFA you at least had Cap checking on people, apologizing or his targets was shown as villains and not civilians caught in crossfire.
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4:26PM on 04/03/2014
I think I need to watch Man Of Sreel a couple more times before I can decide on its longevity, but I remember enjoying it in the cinema. Captain America is fine but it's far from the best of the early batch of Marvel films. Man of Steel is a much closer representation of how the character is in comics today than Donner's films, which are pretty silly for the most part. There may be aspects where Man Of Steel took things a bit too far, but I think the majority of the film needed to be portrayed
I think I need to watch Man Of Sreel a couple more times before I can decide on its longevity, but I remember enjoying it in the cinema. Captain America is fine but it's far from the best of the early batch of Marvel films. Man of Steel is a much closer representation of how the character is in comics today than Donner's films, which are pretty silly for the most part. There may be aspects where Man Of Steel took things a bit too far, but I think the majority of the film needed to be portrayed to express what the character is actually capable of. At the end of the day Man Of Steel is the most contemporary comic-accurate representation of the character we've had. If anything, Captain America was hampered by the fact they had to rush through his wartime exploits in order to get his character dumped in the present day quickly to meet up with The Avengers.
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4:18PM on 04/03/2014
Loved both films... both characters are great, however, Superman is the embodiment of the ultimate childhood superhero.
Loved both films... both characters are great, however, Superman is the embodiment of the ultimate childhood superhero.
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4:01PM on 04/03/2014

AGREE

CAP'N MERIKUH for the win!
CAP'N MERIKUH for the win!
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3:42PM on 04/03/2014

Disagree

The first Captain America bored me. I could barely get to the end without falling asleep. I found the character of Captain America extremely dull in the first movie and in The Avengeres. With that being said, The Winter Soldier looks better, so I'll give his character another shot.

Man of Steel had my attention the whole way through. Maybe it's just that I'm more fond of Superman.
The first Captain America bored me. I could barely get to the end without falling asleep. I found the character of Captain America extremely dull in the first movie and in The Avengeres. With that being said, The Winter Soldier looks better, so I'll give his character another shot.

Man of Steel had my attention the whole way through. Maybe it's just that I'm more fond of Superman.
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5:44PM on 04/04/2014
None of our opinions are paramount, its good to be able to discuss our passion with other people even if we dont always agree. We just have to wait and see if box office numbers and reviews reflect our view point. :)
None of our opinions are paramount, its good to be able to discuss our passion with other people even if we dont always agree. We just have to wait and see if box office numbers and reviews reflect our view point. :)
7:40AM on 04/04/2014
I can't debate on whether or not the movie was sacrilege, because I don't read Superman comics (which is probably sacrilege in and of itself. lol). All I can go by is my personal taste, which is always going to be flawed in any debate. I find myself wanting to watch MoS even more than the original movies, which I still enjoy, but (imho) they didn't age well for me. Maybe they are more aligned to the comics, but they come off as campy to me.

Thanks for the reply. I know my opinion isn't
I can't debate on whether or not the movie was sacrilege, because I don't read Superman comics (which is probably sacrilege in and of itself. lol). All I can go by is my personal taste, which is always going to be flawed in any debate. I find myself wanting to watch MoS even more than the original movies, which I still enjoy, but (imho) they didn't age well for me. Maybe they are more aligned to the comics, but they come off as campy to me.

Thanks for the reply. I know my opinion isn't the most popular around here on this subject, but I appreciate civil discussions. Cheers!
4:36AM on 04/04/2014
I love Superman as a character , but that film was sacrilege, Superman Returns did a better job in my opinion.
I love Superman as a character , but that film was sacrilege, Superman Returns did a better job in my opinion.
3:37PM on 04/03/2014

Wrong on many levels.

A lifelong Marvel fanboy probably shouldn't be doing biased reviews like this one then eh?
Zod was a far superior villian for starters.

A lifelong Marvel fanboy probably shouldn't be doing biased reviews like this one then eh?
Zod was a far superior villian for starters.

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2:43PM on 04/03/2014

Oh please!

Man of Steel was a much better movie experience, Hans zimmers score alone was amazing. Can anyone even remember the music in captain?
Man of Steel was a much better movie experience, Hans zimmers score alone was amazing. Can anyone even remember the music in captain?
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4:28AM on 04/04/2014
Its a sad thing when the only good thing about a movie is its score by Hans Zimmer.
Its a sad thing when the only good thing about a movie is its score by Hans Zimmer.
9:41PM on 04/03/2014
No we are not judging movies by their music now nate, that was an example of one aspect that has cap beat! I'm not gonna sit here and write a list. You need to face that man of steel was on a higher level than cap. Realistically, cap kinda felt like a kids movie. You say that you're a bigger fan of DC.....hard to believe.
No we are not judging movies by their music now nate, that was an example of one aspect that has cap beat! I'm not gonna sit here and write a list. You need to face that man of steel was on a higher level than cap. Realistically, cap kinda felt like a kids movie. You say that you're a bigger fan of DC.....hard to believe.
9:10PM on 04/03/2014
Are we just judging movies by their music now? Face it, Man of Steel was crap and I'm a far bigger fan of DC than I am of Marvel, just being realistic here.
Are we just judging movies by their music now? Face it, Man of Steel was crap and I'm a far bigger fan of DC than I am of Marvel, just being realistic here.
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1:45PM on 04/03/2014

Superman also risked his life to save the ENTIRE PLANET.

That's my biggest issue with this column. People seem to forget the fact Superman knew going to stop the World Engine may not work because he could use his powers due to the Krytpon atmosphere it was generating (thus, potentially could die do so). On top of that when he destroyed it he saved the planet. And why is it Superman is the only superhero that people have a problem with when he accidentally causes some collateral damage? Not only did his first two big fights happen on the same day,
That's my biggest issue with this column. People seem to forget the fact Superman knew going to stop the World Engine may not work because he could use his powers due to the Krytpon atmosphere it was generating (thus, potentially could die do so). On top of that when he destroyed it he saved the planet. And why is it Superman is the only superhero that people have a problem with when he accidentally causes some collateral damage? Not only did his first two big fights happen on the same day, but he had only recently found out what he was truly capable of. Batman can blow shit up, the Avengers can blow shit up, but Superman fighting multiple Krytonians with the same strength and powers who caused 99.9% of the damgage in the movie makes him not so heroic? And that doesn't make him Superman? Watch more than just the Christopher Reeves films people, Superman has had fights causing cities to be destroyed in the comics and TV shows long before Man of Steel was released.
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4:17PM on 04/03/2014
Half the people on this site are idiots.

Ummm this movie.....its so good....its impossible umm ummm. TOO MUCH DESTRUCTION!!!

Wtf?
Half the people on this site are idiots.

Ummm this movie.....its so good....its impossible umm ummm. TOO MUCH DESTRUCTION!!!

Wtf?
1:24PM on 04/03/2014

No words...

Congrats Cap.
Congrats Cap.
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12:40PM on 04/03/2014
Ok, first thing's first, this is neutral because I agree that Cap is the better film, I enjoyed Man Of Steel in the cinema as a visiaul spectacle but I just don't feel the emotional connection on home viewing. However you have some really shitty reasons for why it's better.

1: Zod is a the far better villain, he has a purpose, a reason for being who he is, he is practically designed to save Krypton, whatever the cost to earth. Red Skull was good but nothing more than a glorified Nazi.

2:
Ok, first thing's first, this is neutral because I agree that Cap is the better film, I enjoyed Man Of Steel in the cinema as a visiaul spectacle but I just don't feel the emotional connection on home viewing. However you have some really shitty reasons for why it's better.

1: Zod is a the far better villain, he has a purpose, a reason for being who he is, he is practically designed to save Krypton, whatever the cost to earth. Red Skull was good but nothing more than a glorified Nazi.

2: Fucking seriously? USA USA? That's your reason for why Cap gets that round? Get the fuck out of here. Yeah Cap stands for America but he also stands for world values, as does Superman with his symbol of fuckin HOPE, don't blanket that with your ridiculous bias.

There's a bunch of things wrong with the article, this should've been a fair fight but you fucked it up.
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12:50PM on 04/03/2014
S means hope. No it doesn't, it stands for the house of EL.
S means hope. No it doesn't, it stands for the house of EL.
11:52AM on 04/03/2014
I'm a DC fanboy all the way. My old comic collection only has a few Marvel comics such as Spider-Man and X-Men. I just love DC characters. That said, Man of Steel was one of the worst comic book films I have seen. If Batman & Robin went to one stylistic extreme in a very bad way, then Man of Steel went to the complete opposite stylistic extreme in a very bad way.

Sadly, Captain America wins this one for me easily.
I'm a DC fanboy all the way. My old comic collection only has a few Marvel comics such as Spider-Man and X-Men. I just love DC characters. That said, Man of Steel was one of the worst comic book films I have seen. If Batman & Robin went to one stylistic extreme in a very bad way, then Man of Steel went to the complete opposite stylistic extreme in a very bad way.

Sadly, Captain America wins this one for me easily.
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11:16AM on 04/03/2014
I think when you are debating the merits of these two movies and at the moment it looks pretty torn down the middle, you know that Man of Steel failed. Because really this film should have been one of the greatest Superhero movies of all time. But instead came off as just a mediocre movie.
I think when you are debating the merits of these two movies and at the moment it looks pretty torn down the middle, you know that Man of Steel failed. Because really this film should have been one of the greatest Superhero movies of all time. But instead came off as just a mediocre movie.
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11:05AM on 04/03/2014
This is downright silly. Zod(Michael Shannon) is by far the better villain, and by far Man of Steel is the better film. The First Avenger is a good film I'm not taking that away from it.
This is downright silly. Zod(Michael Shannon) is by far the better villain, and by far Man of Steel is the better film. The First Avenger is a good film I'm not taking that away from it.
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1:20AM on 04/04/2014
You got it with Michael Shannon. The rest of your comment was jibber-jabber.
You got it with Michael Shannon. The rest of your comment was jibber-jabber.
10:47AM on 04/03/2014
Hugo Weaving beats out Michael Shannon as Zod?? Weaving was good, but Shannon was downright genius casting and he killed it! And one of the categories is costume letter?? Don't make me laugh Joblo.
Hugo Weaving beats out Michael Shannon as Zod?? Weaving was good, but Shannon was downright genius casting and he killed it! And one of the categories is costume letter?? Don't make me laugh Joblo.
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10:35AM on 04/03/2014

Man of Steel was a better film. Now if you were talking about CA2...

This is such a complete biased Face-Off column. The reason I love DC films (The Dark Knight trilogy and Man of Steel) is because they're not cartoony like the first CA movie was. 'Acts of Heroism'... ummm you forgot the biggest one for MOS. He saved the world from Zod from destroying Earth and making it their own Krypton. And points off for the 'S' in Superman actually meaning something in Krypton? The Superman S symbol is one of the most recognizable in culture. Put both the symbols in
This is such a complete biased Face-Off column. The reason I love DC films (The Dark Knight trilogy and Man of Steel) is because they're not cartoony like the first CA movie was. 'Acts of Heroism'... ummm you forgot the biggest one for MOS. He saved the world from Zod from destroying Earth and making it their own Krypton. And points off for the 'S' in Superman actually meaning something in Krypton? The Superman S symbol is one of the most recognizable in culture. Put both the symbols in black and white and what do you get... the Superman symbol and a star with circles around it. Both Red Skull and General Zod were at the same level where both actors played a comic book villain. Michael Shannon is a better actor and The Red Skull reminded me too much of Raul Julia's General M. Bison from Street Fighter. The first half of CA is good as it tells the origin story. But after that it becomes a cartoon with too much of the cheese factor. The second half was way too reminiscent of the first G.I. Joe film. If you're talking about what movie was actually better, why don't you add 'action', 'special effects', 'music'. Am I being biased? No because if Captain America: The First Avenger was as good as...lets say the first Iron Man or Captain America 2 then I wouldn't be typing this. But CA was the weakest of the Marvel films. And MOS was better made more money. (And the fact that you call CA1 the BEST of the phase one films is saying a lot...and not in a good way)
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1:46PM on 04/03/2014
duhyeager:"Superman doesn't fly into a populated area and destroy millions of homes and kills what you can assume is thousands of people in a super villain fight." Never ever would Pa Kent tell Clark not to save people"

In my best Ledger Joker voice ;ahem; "You've got all these rules, and you think they'll save you?"
duhyeager:"Superman doesn't fly into a populated area and destroy millions of homes and kills what you can assume is thousands of people in a super villain fight." Never ever would Pa Kent tell Clark not to save people"

In my best Ledger Joker voice ;ahem; "You've got all these rules, and you think they'll save you?"
12:59PM on 04/03/2014
Blah I HATE that complain that DC films are better because they are grounded in reality and not cartoony. It is a comic book movie about a flying man from outer space who no matter the odds find the way to over come and still keep his morals and ethics. Superman doesn't fly into a populated area and destroy millions of homes and kills what you can assume is thousands of people in a super villain fight. I get he is inexperienced but still, he isn't dumb. Also worst representation of Pa
Blah I HATE that complain that DC films are better because they are grounded in reality and not cartoony. It is a comic book movie about a flying man from outer space who no matter the odds find the way to over come and still keep his morals and ethics. Superman doesn't fly into a populated area and destroy millions of homes and kills what you can assume is thousands of people in a super villain fight. I get he is inexperienced but still, he isn't dumb. Also worst representation of Pa Kent EVER! Never ever would Pa Kent tell Clark not to save people! Regardless of the motivation, Pa Kent was to Clark what Uncle Ben was to Peter. Captain America wasn't great but it was a solid Superhero war movie. marvel understands they are comic books and not real life unlike DC It works for Batman partly and thats barely because he has some cartoony villains as well.
12:59PM on 04/03/2014
Blah I HATE that complain that DC films are better because they are grounded in reality and not cartoony. It is a comic book movie about a flying man from outer space who no matter the odds find the way to over come and still keep his morals and ethics. Superman doesn't fly into a populated area and destroy millions of homes and kills what you can assume is thousands of people in a super villain fight. I get he is inexperienced but still, he isn't dumb. Also worst representation of Pa
Blah I HATE that complain that DC films are better because they are grounded in reality and not cartoony. It is a comic book movie about a flying man from outer space who no matter the odds find the way to over come and still keep his morals and ethics. Superman doesn't fly into a populated area and destroy millions of homes and kills what you can assume is thousands of people in a super villain fight. I get he is inexperienced but still, he isn't dumb. Also worst representation of Pa Kent EVER! Never ever would Pa Kent tell Clark not to save people! Regardless of the motivation, Pa Kent was to Clark what Uncle Ben was to Peter. Captain America wasn't great but it was a solid Superhero war movie. marvel understands they are comic books and not real life unlike DC It works for Batman partly and thats barely because he has some cartoony villains as well.
10:29AM on 04/03/2014

Captain America was a fun period super hero movie

Superman was just boring. The character was an emo dick and had no personality. Everyone was just a one note tool to progress the story to the "final battle". It was so boring and just not fun.
Superman was just boring. The character was an emo dick and had no personality. Everyone was just a one note tool to progress the story to the "final battle". It was so boring and just not fun.
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10:25AM on 04/03/2014
Great choice! Captain America: The First Avenger is terrific. Man of Steel is mediocre at best.
Great choice! Captain America: The First Avenger is terrific. Man of Steel is mediocre at best.
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9:56AM on 04/03/2014

Though......

Captain America was a good fun movie, Man of Steel was an awesome movie.
Captain America was a good fun movie, Man of Steel was an awesome movie.
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9:48AM on 04/03/2014

Red Skull did More Good On screen

He killed more Nazis than anything else in this movie. Sure he had a POW camp but everyone looked pretty good and well cared for. Seems like he was more of an American Hero than anything. Lol
He killed more Nazis than anything else in this movie. Sure he had a POW camp but everyone looked pretty good and well cared for. Seems like he was more of an American Hero than anything. Lol
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1:23AM on 04/04/2014
Pol Pot is laughing his ass off right now!
Pol Pot is laughing his ass off right now!
1:16PM on 04/03/2014
LOL, yeh and Superman killed more Americans in his destruction than Hitler did in world war 2. Blimey I think Superman gave Stalin a run for his money.
LOL, yeh and Superman killed more Americans in his destruction than Hitler did in world war 2. Blimey I think Superman gave Stalin a run for his money.
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9:25AM on 04/03/2014
C.A. - 6/10
M.O.S. - 5/10
C.A. - 6/10
M.O.S. - 5/10
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9:00AM on 04/03/2014
I honestly preferred Man of Steel. I think that Joe Johnston tried valiantly to give Captain America: The First Avenger that pulpy, throwback feel, but it really was saddled with too much back story, resulting in the incredible Hugo Weaving being almost criminally underused. I think Captain America: The First Avenger is not a bad film, but it's definitely got its tonal struggles. It wants to be campy, dramatic and adventurous all at the same time, but it can't. Man of Steel did what Superman
I honestly preferred Man of Steel. I think that Joe Johnston tried valiantly to give Captain America: The First Avenger that pulpy, throwback feel, but it really was saddled with too much back story, resulting in the incredible Hugo Weaving being almost criminally underused. I think Captain America: The First Avenger is not a bad film, but it's definitely got its tonal struggles. It wants to be campy, dramatic and adventurous all at the same time, but it can't. Man of Steel did what Superman Returns couldn't - it pushed Superman forward. Sure, not in a direction that many wanted, but forward anyway. Superman Returns was too slavish to the Christopher Reeve movies and Man of Steel was its own animal, daring to play around with the character a little, but even as a big DC fan, I didn't feel it committed sacrilege of any sort.
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12:54PM on 04/03/2014
Na I just know a good movie that communicates this better. Richard Donners message was far more powerful.
Because even with Clarks powers he couldn't save his father. So in Man of Steel he was fine not to save Jonathan because of his identity but was quite happy to let his identity be known to Lois Lane. Im sorry but if I saw my father was just about to die I wouldnt care who found out my identity, Id be saving his ass.
Na I just know a good movie that communicates this better. Richard Donners message was far more powerful.
Because even with Clarks powers he couldn't save his father. So in Man of Steel he was fine not to save Jonathan because of his identity but was quite happy to let his identity be known to Lois Lane. Im sorry but if I saw my father was just about to die I wouldnt care who found out my identity, Id be saving his ass.
11:39AM on 04/03/2014
If you weren't touched in MoS when Kevin Costner's Kent told his son to NOT save him, then you have no soul.
If you weren't touched in MoS when Kevin Costner's Kent told his son to NOT save him, then you have no soul.
9:04AM on 04/03/2014
I thought the characters were empty, Watching the first Richard Donner Superman you were touched by the death of Jonathan Kent (plus it had a better message). Even when Kal -El goes to the fortress for the first time it is more of an emotional moment. Man Of Steel just fell down flat at any of these moments and I couldnt feel myself rooting for any of the characters.
I thought the characters were empty, Watching the first Richard Donner Superman you were touched by the death of Jonathan Kent (plus it had a better message). Even when Kal -El goes to the fortress for the first time it is more of an emotional moment. Man Of Steel just fell down flat at any of these moments and I couldnt feel myself rooting for any of the characters.
9:00AM on 04/03/2014

Um

The fact that at the end you said you're a Marvel Fanboy completely negates this column. This should be an unbiased look at both and you were basically LOOKING for a way to give it to Cap no matter what. That's absolute bullshit and I expect better than that on JoBlo and not some fanboy ass kissing.

I like both actually and enjoy both but come on now. This column is absolute trash.
The fact that at the end you said you're a Marvel Fanboy completely negates this column. This should be an unbiased look at both and you were basically LOOKING for a way to give it to Cap no matter what. That's absolute bullshit and I expect better than that on JoBlo and not some fanboy ass kissing.

I like both actually and enjoy both but come on now. This column is absolute trash.
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1:26PM on 04/03/2014
Exactly - like I said, it seemed he was looking for reasons to give the edge to Captain America.
Exactly - like I said, it seemed he was looking for reasons to give the edge to Captain America.
8:57AM on 04/03/2014
What, no 'Grubbiest Looking Costume' category?
What, no 'Grubbiest Looking Costume' category?
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8:49AM on 04/03/2014

Im more of a Marvel guy than DC..

..and I like Cap and Supes equally. So I can say without bias that while Cap's movie was good. It does not compare to MAN OF STEEL. Sorry guys, just my two cents.
..and I like Cap and Supes equally. So I can say without bias that while Cap's movie was good. It does not compare to MAN OF STEEL. Sorry guys, just my two cents.
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8:48AM on 04/03/2014
Don't know how many times in a row I've disagreed with this column. I've always hated Superman, but MOS is my second favorite super hero movie. And Zod was way better than Red Skull. Red Skull felt like he belonged in a Hellboy movie. I liked Cap. but Red Skull was my least favorite part of it. Besides Iron Man, the Marvel studios movies are pretty much inferior to the other Marvel movies, and DC movies (with a few exceptions, (Green Lantern)), for the reason they all feel so cartoonish, and
Don't know how many times in a row I've disagreed with this column. I've always hated Superman, but MOS is my second favorite super hero movie. And Zod was way better than Red Skull. Red Skull felt like he belonged in a Hellboy movie. I liked Cap. but Red Skull was my least favorite part of it. Besides Iron Man, the Marvel studios movies are pretty much inferior to the other Marvel movies, and DC movies (with a few exceptions, (Green Lantern)), for the reason they all feel so cartoonish, and try to wink at the audience to many times. Thor 2 was full of the "lets get the audience to laugh but when they get home they'll realize how stupid the joke really was" lines.
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8:42AM on 04/03/2014

I have to disagree

With my fellow shmoes here. Man Of Steel is a superior movie and film in every way tha Cap. While the MCU is awesome and The DCU leaves alot to be desired (at this time), cap 1 is just an ok movie.
With my fellow shmoes here. Man Of Steel is a superior movie and film in every way tha Cap. While the MCU is awesome and The DCU leaves alot to be desired (at this time), cap 1 is just an ok movie.
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1:09AM on 04/04/2014
Is this Bizarro The_ConMan speaking??
Is this Bizarro The_ConMan speaking??
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6:47AM on 04/03/2014
Agree with it all except for the father figure category - Stanley Tucci was much better IMO. Kevin Costner's character was very weak/inconsistent in Man of Steel
Agree with it all except for the father figure category - Stanley Tucci was much better IMO. Kevin Costner's character was very weak/inconsistent in Man of Steel
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6:27AM on 04/03/2014

Lesser of two evils

Both average movies, thankfully captain America 2 is way better than the original. Only time will tell if superman 2 will be better than the the first one.
Both average movies, thankfully captain America 2 is way better than the original. Only time will tell if superman 2 will be better than the the first one.
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6:11AM on 04/03/2014
Not that it makes a difference since Cap still won anyway, but you gave points to the wrong franchise in the "director" and "hometown" categories. Snyder is a hack, and Brooklyn trumps all.
Not that it makes a difference since Cap still won anyway, but you gave points to the wrong franchise in the "director" and "hometown" categories. Snyder is a hack, and Brooklyn trumps all.
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5:55AM on 04/03/2014
I concur. WB should take more notes from the Marvel movies in that they develop characters the audience actually gives a damn about. The most recent incarnations of Batman and Superman are "types" not people and I don't expect that to change as long a Snyder has the reins and influence.
I concur. WB should take more notes from the Marvel movies in that they develop characters the audience actually gives a damn about. The most recent incarnations of Batman and Superman are "types" not people and I don't expect that to change as long a Snyder has the reins and influence.
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5:30AM on 04/03/2014
YOU MADE THE ONLY CORRECT CHOICE.... With 2 mistakes.

NEW YORK is the coolest city in the word. Made up cgi town and planets aren't better. Plus you forgot to mention cap spent a LARGE part of the movie not in NY but all over the world.

And Director Choice was something I disagree on.
Johnston has made 2 classic, Jumangi and The Roketeer, plus many other films that could be argued that they deserve to be called a classic.
Snyder has 1 that's open for debate, Watchmen.
Suckerpunched
YOU MADE THE ONLY CORRECT CHOICE.... With 2 mistakes.

NEW YORK is the coolest city in the word. Made up cgi town and planets aren't better. Plus you forgot to mention cap spent a LARGE part of the movie not in NY but all over the world.

And Director Choice was something I disagree on.
Johnston has made 2 classic, Jumangi and The Roketeer, plus many other films that could be argued that they deserve to be called a classic.
Snyder has 1 that's open for debate, Watchmen.
Suckerpunched bomb.
300 had the test of time rape it's once positive reputation to almost a joke now.
Some people say Dawn of the Dead was the best zombie movie of the early 2000's... To those ppl I say 'Watch 28 Days Later' because one of those is how to make a great film that happens to be about zombies and one of them is how can we make the most entertaining movies about zombies.

Long story short, good choice but I disagree on your choice for location and director!
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8:41AM on 04/03/2014
Agree with your points about Johnston being a better directory but I have to disagree with 28 days later is not a Zombie Movie...its a Rage virus they don't die and you don't need a head shot to kill them.
Agree with your points about Johnston being a better directory but I have to disagree with 28 days later is not a Zombie Movie...its a Rage virus they don't die and you don't need a head shot to kill them.
6:12AM on 04/03/2014
thank you!
thank you!
5:27AM on 04/03/2014
Is it just me or were you looking for stuff to give Captain America the edge? Other accomplices? Acts of heroism? Riiiiiiight.

And keep dreaming that Peggy Carter is better than Lois Lane.
Is it just me or were you looking for stuff to give Captain America the edge? Other accomplices? Acts of heroism? Riiiiiiight.

And keep dreaming that Peggy Carter is better than Lois Lane.
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4:37PM on 04/03/2014
"Hello, 90's. Apparently I have your lingo. That is all".
"Hello, 90's. Apparently I have your lingo. That is all".
10:43AM on 04/03/2014
I didn't say hotter . . . which she is . . . I said better.

Let's see . . . Lane sued the army, underwent surgery by an alien's heat vision after being attacked by an alien space craft's bot, tracked down said alien who enjoyed helping people, got to take a ride on the bad guy's ship, escape, and then help in the plot to stop said bad guys.

I think she did just fine with the role. Not to mention that the actress playing her is ten times the actress . . . whoever played Peggy Carter
I didn't say hotter . . . which she is . . . I said better.

Let's see . . . Lane sued the army, underwent surgery by an alien's heat vision after being attacked by an alien space craft's bot, tracked down said alien who enjoyed helping people, got to take a ride on the bad guy's ship, escape, and then help in the plot to stop said bad guys.

I think she did just fine with the role. Not to mention that the actress playing her is ten times the actress . . . whoever played Peggy Carter is.

Hell, even the guy who wrote this piece said Peggy didn't do much until the short film and not yet existent TV series. Lois Lane didn't need her own short film or TV series. Her merits stand in the film alone because that's all she needed.

Suck on that filmgeek83.

Peggy can have her short film that nobody will watch and TV show that seems to be taking a long time to get to TV. . . Lois Lane will actually make it to the movie sequel.


And filmgeek83, the 90s called, they want their lingo back.

"Burn"? Really?
7:31AM on 04/03/2014
Daredevil, you should have called the burns unit to help out bigred after that burn!
Daredevil, you should have called the burns unit to help out bigred after that burn!
5:35AM on 04/03/2014
It's who did more with their role in the films and who had better fan reactions with. Not who's hotter.

No Lois Lane short film and planned tv show in the future is there?
It's who did more with their role in the films and who had better fan reactions with. Not who's hotter.

No Lois Lane short film and planned tv show in the future is there?
5:23AM on 04/03/2014
Neither one was a great movie, although at least I made it through First Avenger and was somewhat engaged. Man of Steel was so flat. I had to watch it in three parts because I found myself getting bored while watching it. Also Amy Adams was badly miscast as Lois Lane she just didn't have it and I actually found her more annoying than anything. She had nothing on Erica Durance. Captain America First Avenger 6/10 MOS 3/10
Neither one was a great movie, although at least I made it through First Avenger and was somewhat engaged. Man of Steel was so flat. I had to watch it in three parts because I found myself getting bored while watching it. Also Amy Adams was badly miscast as Lois Lane she just didn't have it and I actually found her more annoying than anything. She had nothing on Erica Durance. Captain America First Avenger 6/10 MOS 3/10
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4:17AM on 04/03/2014
Man of Steel wins it for me.

I don't get why people are quite so down on it, I loved it. A fresh new start for Supes was just what he needed. I loved Krypton, the amazing fight sequences and Amy Adams makes for a brilliant Lois.

Captain America... Don't get me wrong, I love all the MCU, Chris Evans rocks (easily one of my fave actors ATM) but for me I felt there was something lacking with TFA... I didn't leave the cinema feeling pumped like I did MOS.
Man of Steel wins it for me.

I don't get why people are quite so down on it, I loved it. A fresh new start for Supes was just what he needed. I loved Krypton, the amazing fight sequences and Amy Adams makes for a brilliant Lois.

Captain America... Don't get me wrong, I love all the MCU, Chris Evans rocks (easily one of my fave actors ATM) but for me I felt there was something lacking with TFA... I didn't leave the cinema feeling pumped like I did MOS.
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3:38AM on 04/03/2014
No contest. Captain America: First Avenger was an actual movie. Man of Steel was a clip show with an incredibly redundant & overly long 'destruction porn' action scene. Plus Man of Steel was just an ugly movie, visually. The cinematography was ugly, and the shaky camera was pointless and way over the top.

CA: TFA - 7/10
MOS - 4/10
No contest. Captain America: First Avenger was an actual movie. Man of Steel was a clip show with an incredibly redundant & overly long 'destruction porn' action scene. Plus Man of Steel was just an ugly movie, visually. The cinematography was ugly, and the shaky camera was pointless and way over the top.

CA: TFA - 7/10
MOS - 4/10
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6:03AM on 04/03/2014
Preach! And those are my exact ratings for those 2 flicks.
Preach! And those are my exact ratings for those 2 flicks.
3:04AM on 04/03/2014
This is a tough one and a very close call. Personally I'd go with Man of Steel. Zack Snyder had a chance to explore Superman from scratch and I think he did a pretty good job on that. He made Superman into a human being and his dynamics with father, Kal-El, was very well made. Man of Steel is, in my opinion, the best Superman movie since Superman 2.
This is a tough one and a very close call. Personally I'd go with Man of Steel. Zack Snyder had a chance to explore Superman from scratch and I think he did a pretty good job on that. He made Superman into a human being and his dynamics with father, Kal-El, was very well made. Man of Steel is, in my opinion, the best Superman movie since Superman 2.
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2:52AM on 04/03/2014

Man of Steel

I'm torn with this considering they're two of my favorite superheroes of all time and I love Captain America: The First Avenger and Man of Steel immensely. Both are great films, but I have to give the slight edge to Man of Steel with the one. They're both great films, but Man of Steel gets my vote with The First Avenger inches behind.
I'm torn with this considering they're two of my favorite superheroes of all time and I love Captain America: The First Avenger and Man of Steel immensely. Both are great films, but I have to give the slight edge to Man of Steel with the one. They're both great films, but Man of Steel gets my vote with The First Avenger inches behind.
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1:02AM on 04/04/2014
You probably occasionally question yourself on the down votes, don'tcha.
You probably occasionally question yourself on the down votes, don'tcha.
11:48AM on 04/03/2014
I'll always be more of a DC guy, but Marvel has just done amazing things throughout these past couple of years.
I'll always be more of a DC guy, but Marvel has just done amazing things throughout these past couple of years.
11:47AM on 04/03/2014
Spider Man is my favorite.

And to answer DareDevil......DC.
Spider Man is my favorite.

And to answer DareDevil......DC.
5:25AM on 04/03/2014
I thought Spiderman was your favourite?
I thought Spiderman was your favourite?
5:15AM on 04/03/2014
Don't give me some longer answer about how this such a hard question because you love hero's from both and movies from both, respond to this with only 1 word, and it has to one of these 2 words:
Are you a) MARVEL b) DC

Just answer with the 1 you like more, no explanations. Thanks dude, this is for my own curiosity.
Don't give me some longer answer about how this such a hard question because you love hero's from both and movies from both, respond to this with only 1 word, and it has to one of these 2 words:
Are you a) MARVEL b) DC

Just answer with the 1 you like more, no explanations. Thanks dude, this is for my own curiosity.
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2:44AM on 04/03/2014

Very glad about this verdict.

And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
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