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Face Off: Inglourious Basterds vs. The Dirty Dozen

Feb. 6, 2014by: Dave Davis
In last week's Face-Off column, versatile actors Josh Brolin and Jeremy Renner traded blows. While I wound up finding them to be evenly matched, more of you seemed to think Renner deserved the win.

This weekend, George Clooney gathers an all-star group of WWII soldiers to venture behind enemy lines and liberate valuable art from the Nazis in THE MONUMENTS MEN. Let's look at another pair of terrific WWII "guys on a mission" movies, Quentin Tarantino's INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS and the manly 1967 classic THE DIRTY DOZEN.
Mission
Lt. Aldo "The Apache" Raine (Brad Pitt) and his squad have a unique mission: go behind enemy lines and strike fear into the Nazi regime by slaughtering and scalping as many German soldiers as possible. Meanwhile in occupied Paris, young Jewish theater owner Shosanna agrees to hold the premiere of Goebbels' latest Nazi propaganda film, while secretly scheming to take revenge on the Germans. Unbeknownst to Shosanna, Raine and his team are also planning to attack the theater that very same night with an assignment to assassinate the attending upper echelon of the Third Reich, including Hitler himself. Besides a series of misfortunes, the primary obstacle in their success is the event's head of security, the cunning Col. Hans "The Jew Hunter" Landa (Christoph Waltz), the man responsible for the death of Shosanna's entire family.
As D-Day approaches, cynical Major Reisman (Lee Marvin) gets volunteered by his superiors to take a squad behind enemy lines, with the goal of attacking a gathering of high-ranked German officers while theyre enjoying a little R&R. Its a suicide mission made that much more suicidal by the troops hes given to command: a selection of psychopathic prisoners sentenced for rape, murder, robbery and various other nasty things. With the possibility of reprieve as their only motivation, Reisman has to whip the grimy cretins into shape within a reasonably timely manner, or the opportunity to disrupt the Nazi hierarchy will be lost.
cast
Brad Pitt, Christoph Waltz, Michael Fassbender, Eli Roth, Diane Kruger, Til Schweiger, Daniel Bruhl, Melanie Laurent
Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, Telly Savalas, John Cassavetes, Donald Sutherland, Jim Brown, Ernest Borgnine, Richard Jaeckel, George Kennedy, Robert Ryan, Clint Walker
Director
Quentin Tarantino, who also directed RESERVOIR DOGS, PULP FICTION, JACKIE BROWN, KILL BILL vol. 1 and 2, DEATH PROOF and DJANGO UNCHAINED
Robert Aldrich, who also directed WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE?, HUSH... HUSH SWEET CHARLOTTE, THE FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX, THE LONGEST YARD, TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING, THE FRISCO KID, and KISS ME DEADLY (which features a glowing suitcase MacGuffin that inspired PULP FICTION's mystery briefcase)
Quotes
1. Lt. Aldo Raine: "When you join my command, you take on debit. A debit you owe me personally. Each and every man under my command owes me one hundred Nazi scalps. And I want my scalps. And all y'all will git me one hundred Nazi scalps, taken from the heads of one hundred dead Nazis. Or you will die tryin'."


2. Lt. Aldo Raine [to captured German officer]: "You probably heard we ain't in the prisoner-takin' business, we in the killin' Nazi business. And cousin, business is a-BOOMIN'."


3. [Aldo is carving a swastika into a German soldier's forehead]

Sgt. Donny Donowitz: "You know, Lieutenant, you're getting pretty good at that."

Lt. Aldo Raine: "You know how you get to Carnegie Hall, don't ya? Practice."


4. Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz: "Say 'auf wiedersehen' to your Nazi balls!"


5. Col. Hans Landa: "Oooh, that's a bingo! Is that the way you say it? 'That's a bingo?'"

Lt. Aldo Raine: "You just say 'bingo.'"


6. Lt. Aldo Raine [carving a swastika in Landa's forehead]: "You know somethin', Utivich? I think this just might be my masterpiece."
1. [Reisman instructs Donald Sutherland's convict how to impersonate a general]

Reisman: "You've seen a general inspecting troops before haven't you? Just walk slow, act dumb and look stupid!"


2. Capt. Kinder [evaluating the troops]: "Along with these other results, it gives *you* just about the most twisted, anti-social bunch of psychopathic deformities I have ever run into! And the worst, the most dangerous of the bunch, is Maggott. You've got one religious maniac, one malignant dwarf, two near-idiots... and the rest I don't even wanna think about!"

Reisman: "Well, I can't think of a better way to fight a war."


3. [Reisman and his second-in-command watch the convicts training]

Reisman: "What do you think, Sergeant?"

Sgt. Bowren: "I think you'll do just fine, sir. "

Reisman: "Don't give me that! I said what do you think?"

Sgt. Bowren: "I think the first chance one of those lovers gets, he's going to shoot the Major right in the head... sir."


4.[Reisman getting chewed out by his superior]

Maj. Gen. Worden: "This war was NOT started for your private gratification, and you can be damned sure it's not being run for your personal convenience, either! "


5. Reisman: "Kill any officer in sight."

Franko (John Cassavetes): "Ours or theirs?"
Award Recognition
Oscar nominations for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Editing, Best Cinematography, Best Sound Mixing, Best Sound Editing

Oscar winner for Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Christoph Waltz)

Golden Globe nominations for Best Picture (Drama), Best Director, Best Screenplay (Motion Picture)

Golden Globe winner for Best Supporting Actor (Christoph Waltz)
Oscar nominations for Best Film Editing, Best Sound, Best Actor in a Supporting Role (John Cassavetes)

Oscar winner for Best Sound Effects

Golden Globe nomination for Best Supporting Actor (John Cassavetes)
missed opportunities
Tarantino wanted Leonardo DiCaprio to play Col. Hans Landa

Jean Reno was offered the role of Perrier LaPedite

Adam Sandler was originally approached to play Donnie "The Bear Jew" Donowitz

Natassja Kinski was pursued for the role of Bridget von Hammersmark

Simon Pegg was cast as Lt. Archie Hickox but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts

David Krumholtz was initially going to play Pvt. Hirschberg (the role went to Samm Levine)

Maggie Cheung and Cloris Leachman (who appeared in Aldrich's KISS ME DEADLY) filmed scenes that were deleted from the final cut

Actors including Eddie Murphy, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, Tim Roth and Michael Madsen were all supposedly in talks for roles at various points during the script's evolution (though Tarantino has dismissed some as "internet rumors")
John Wayne was first offered the role of Major Reisman

Jack Palance rejected the role of Maggott, which went instead to Telly Savalas
box office
Before DJANGO UNCHAINED, INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS was Tarantino's biggest film at the domestic box office, making $120 million. It made an additional $200 million from foreign territories.
THE DIRTY DOZEN made $45 million at the domestic box office in 1967 (on a reported cost of just over $5 million). Adjusted for inflation, that's today's equivalent of more than $310 million! International box office figures are not available, but it's probably a safe assumption that its worldwide total (inflation-adjusted) would push past that of BASTERDS.
INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS
THE DIRTY DOZEN remains one of greatest testosterone-fueled war movies, an undeniable classic filled with memorable performances from all-time macho guys like Marvin, Bronson, Savalas and Cassavetes. It is arguably the quintessential guys on a mission movie, and carried powerful influence on any ensemble action movie that followed -- one could even safely speculate that INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS wouldn't exist without it.

But Tarantino's increasingly adept penchant for quotable dialogue, unforgettable characters, verbal showdowns, shocking situations and elegantly intertwining narratives all give BASTERDS the edge. The film transcends the "guys on a mission" subgenre as Tarantino puts his distinctive storytelling stamp (and some historical revisionism) on what is ultimately much less of a commercial action movie, and more of a passionate love letter to cinema itself.

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6:01AM on 02/07/2014
This is almost as bad as someone comparing the old Robocop to the new robocop and giving the WIN to the new robocop. Ok maybe not that bad.
This is almost as bad as someone comparing the old Robocop to the new robocop and giving the WIN to the new robocop. Ok maybe not that bad.
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12:10AM on 02/07/2014
Just for clarification... Aldo Raine says "DEBT" not "DEBIT" as you repeated twice.

On a side note, whether or not the movie represents reality is bull. They ALL take liberties, so those of you preaching that The Dirty Dozen is better because its real are out to lunch.

Cheers.
Just for clarification... Aldo Raine says "DEBT" not "DEBIT" as you repeated twice.

On a side note, whether or not the movie represents reality is bull. They ALL take liberties, so those of you preaching that The Dirty Dozen is better because its real are out to lunch.

Cheers.
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11:26PM on 02/06/2014
How come missed opportunities can be a positive thing?
IT NEVER HAPPENED
How come missed opportunities can be a positive thing?
IT NEVER HAPPENED
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7:43PM on 02/06/2014
You simply can't compare a movie from 1967 with a movie from 2009. The time difference makes it impossible. Why not put Dirty Dozen against The Great Escape and I.B. against Saving P.R. (Also i disagree with you with most of your choices above, especially with Cast... )
You simply can't compare a movie from 1967 with a movie from 2009. The time difference makes it impossible. Why not put Dirty Dozen against The Great Escape and I.B. against Saving P.R. (Also i disagree with you with most of your choices above, especially with Cast... )
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6:47PM on 02/06/2014

Bad idea is putting it mildly

Dirty Dozen is a classic while Bastards will be forgotten about in 10 years.
Dirty Dozen is a classic while Bastards will be forgotten about in 10 years.
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5:51AM on 02/07/2014
Agreed!
Agreed!
6:37PM on 02/06/2014
Tarantino hasn't made a truly great film in a decade, and that's me being kind to the Kill Bill movies. His work in the nineties was fantastic, but as of late it's been the same old revenge shit with CGI blood and only occasional hints of brilliance, like the opening scene of Inglourious Basterds for example. As a whole, however, it's a mediocre film at best. It baffles me that a writer for a film website, even one as casual as joblo, could think to pick it over The Dirty Dozen.
Tarantino hasn't made a truly great film in a decade, and that's me being kind to the Kill Bill movies. His work in the nineties was fantastic, but as of late it's been the same old revenge shit with CGI blood and only occasional hints of brilliance, like the opening scene of Inglourious Basterds for example. As a whole, however, it's a mediocre film at best. It baffles me that a writer for a film website, even one as casual as joblo, could think to pick it over The Dirty Dozen.
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5:50AM on 02/07/2014
I definitely feel that the last few Tarantino flicks have been more style over substance, It never used to be that way. Its a shame because I felt that Django and Basterds both started off really well and then just kinda went off the rails.
I definitely feel that the last few Tarantino flicks have been more style over substance, It never used to be that way. Its a shame because I felt that Django and Basterds both started off really well and then just kinda went off the rails.
12:21AM on 02/07/2014
The same could be said for Michael Bay (explosions), James Cameron (CGI), George Lucas (Woodsy dialogue) etc for all of their movies. Those ripping on Tarantino because they don't like the revenge flick are again, out to lunch. WTF do you expect? This is his signature, just like Michael Bay makes CGI orgies with explosions that mean nothing and add nothing to the film. Seriously, I understand you don't like Tarantino flicks, and you're entitled to your opinion. So let me give you some advice:
The same could be said for Michael Bay (explosions), James Cameron (CGI), George Lucas (Woodsy dialogue) etc for all of their movies. Those ripping on Tarantino because they don't like the revenge flick are again, out to lunch. WTF do you expect? This is his signature, just like Michael Bay makes CGI orgies with explosions that mean nothing and add nothing to the film. Seriously, I understand you don't like Tarantino flicks, and you're entitled to your opinion. So let me give you some advice: DON'T WATCH HIS MOVIES! Seriously... It's not like his name is UWE BOLL...
2:13PM on 02/06/2014
The original 1978 "Inglorious Bastards" was better than QT's version.
The original 1978 "Inglorious Bastards" was better than QT's version.
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1:30PM on 02/06/2014

You mean Unpopular Opinion?

Not even close Dirty Dozen is much better than Inglorious Basterds.
I seriously hope you are trolling with this article.
Not even close Dirty Dozen is much better than Inglorious Basterds.
I seriously hope you are trolling with this article.
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12:19PM on 02/06/2014
Inglorious Basterds is a snorefest and a slap in the fast to everyone who served in WW2, as Tarantino thinks characters he made up killed Hitler
Inglorious Basterds is a snorefest and a slap in the fast to everyone who served in WW2, as Tarantino thinks characters he made up killed Hitler
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12:23AM on 02/07/2014
You do know that Saving Private Ryan wasn't a real story right? Is that considered a slap in the face to everyone who served in WW2?
You do know that Saving Private Ryan wasn't a real story right? Is that considered a slap in the face to everyone who served in WW2?
12:13PM on 02/06/2014
When I first saw the title of the article, I thought "it's Tarantino, it's graphically violent, a lot of your readers probably haven't seen Dirty Dozen..they'll side with Tarantino." My faith in humanity is restored! (Who knew this is all it would take?) Bastards is not the same kind of film and honestly, not as good of a film. This isn't a knock on Tarantino, I still like most of his films but Dirty Dozen is the winner. I doubt Tarantino would bet against Lee Marvin.
When I first saw the title of the article, I thought "it's Tarantino, it's graphically violent, a lot of your readers probably haven't seen Dirty Dozen..they'll side with Tarantino." My faith in humanity is restored! (Who knew this is all it would take?) Bastards is not the same kind of film and honestly, not as good of a film. This isn't a knock on Tarantino, I still like most of his films but Dirty Dozen is the winner. I doubt Tarantino would bet against Lee Marvin.
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11:04AM on 02/06/2014

For real?

Inglorious Basterds is a decent flick but kind of botched the 'men on mission' idea by not making them the center piece. Dirty Dozen is the hallmark that all those other movies strive to be, Basterds wouldnt even exist if it weren't for the Dozen, give it the respect it deserves.
Inglorious Basterds is a decent flick but kind of botched the 'men on mission' idea by not making them the center piece. Dirty Dozen is the hallmark that all those other movies strive to be, Basterds wouldnt even exist if it weren't for the Dozen, give it the respect it deserves.
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10:35AM on 02/06/2014

o:

No. Dirty Dozen hands down.
No. Dirty Dozen hands down.
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10:15AM on 02/06/2014

I call bullshit.

For your next feat of stupidity, you should compare Midway to Pearl Harbor.
For your next feat of stupidity, you should compare Midway to Pearl Harbor.
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10:04AM on 02/06/2014

Lee Marvin, enough said!

Sorry but Dirty Dozen is by far the better movie. I watch the Dirty Dozen whenever it is on cable, not the same with Inglorious Basterds.
Sorry but Dirty Dozen is by far the better movie. I watch the Dirty Dozen whenever it is on cable, not the same with Inglorious Basterds.
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9:30AM on 02/06/2014
I'd give The Dirty Dozen the edge for having a better ensemble and more well-developed characters. Actually, I'd argue that the one place Inglorious Basterds did suffer was in comparison to films like that. Inglorious Basterds (to the chagrin of some) wasn't even about the soldiers tasked with collecting scalps, but the intersecting fates of Aldo Raine, Hans Landa, and Shosanna Dreyfus. Half of the Basterds didn't even have lines.
I'd give The Dirty Dozen the edge for having a better ensemble and more well-developed characters. Actually, I'd argue that the one place Inglorious Basterds did suffer was in comparison to films like that. Inglorious Basterds (to the chagrin of some) wasn't even about the soldiers tasked with collecting scalps, but the intersecting fates of Aldo Raine, Hans Landa, and Shosanna Dreyfus. Half of the Basterds didn't even have lines.
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9:20AM on 02/06/2014
Bastards is just another overhyped, boring, Tarantino suckfest. Dirty Dozen is and always will be a classic. Not to mention one of the most badass movies ever.
Bastards is just another overhyped, boring, Tarantino suckfest. Dirty Dozen is and always will be a classic. Not to mention one of the most badass movies ever.
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11:00AM on 02/06/2014
Agreed Majorkonig. I actually thought that Django and Basterds have been the two worst films from tarantino yet the most hyped. Nothing compared to his earlier work.
Agreed Majorkonig. I actually thought that Django and Basterds have been the two worst films from tarantino yet the most hyped. Nothing compared to his earlier work.
8:45AM on 02/06/2014

Comparing DIRTY DOZEN to INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS

is like comparing a '67 Mustang to a Nissan GT-R. Sure, the Nissan is newer, faster and sleeker, but which looks cooler in your driveway?
is like comparing a '67 Mustang to a Nissan GT-R. Sure, the Nissan is newer, faster and sleeker, but which looks cooler in your driveway?
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7:33AM on 02/06/2014

Everything wrong!!

This just somes up this joke if a website!

DIRTY DOZEN!!
This just somes up this joke if a website!

DIRTY DOZEN!!
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7:20AM on 02/06/2014
The Dirty Dozen could beat most movies, of course... but for me, not Inglourious Basterds. Basterds is my favorite Tarantino movie, and in my opinion is one of the most brilliant movies ever made. Seriously going to have to agree with you on this one. Plus, you can't go wrong when your cast includes Christoph Waltz and Melanie Laurent.
The Dirty Dozen could beat most movies, of course... but for me, not Inglourious Basterds. Basterds is my favorite Tarantino movie, and in my opinion is one of the most brilliant movies ever made. Seriously going to have to agree with you on this one. Plus, you can't go wrong when your cast includes Christoph Waltz and Melanie Laurent.
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7:17AM on 02/06/2014
Funny thing is, if you showed this to Quentin Tarantino he'd prob be mad at you for not picking Dirty Dozen
Funny thing is, if you showed this to Quentin Tarantino he'd prob be mad at you for not picking Dirty Dozen
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11:07AM on 02/06/2014
So true, so true.
So true, so true.
10:11AM on 02/06/2014
Well said.
Well said.
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6:05AM on 02/06/2014
This is a joke, right?
This is a joke, right?
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4:56AM on 02/06/2014
NEVER! Dirty Dozen all the way. I remember some friends saying that I have to see inglorious Basterds and that I have to see the twist at the end. When I watched it I was like WTF! that was no twist they just changed the course of history. The only part I was truly gripped in that film was the beginning scene. Apart from that I felt it portrayed the English like Hollywood usually does. And have you noticed with this article that they usually pick topics they sway the votes.
NEVER! Dirty Dozen all the way. I remember some friends saying that I have to see inglorious Basterds and that I have to see the twist at the end. When I watched it I was like WTF! that was no twist they just changed the course of history. The only part I was truly gripped in that film was the beginning scene. Apart from that I felt it portrayed the English like Hollywood usually does. And have you noticed with this article that they usually pick topics they sway the votes.
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4:56AM on 02/06/2014
Dirty Dozen for me. Lee Marvin in any movie equals Winning in my book. Besides, the moment that Jim Brown threw all those bombs in those chutes is an exhilarated moment in the movie.
Dirty Dozen for me. Lee Marvin in any movie equals Winning in my book. Besides, the moment that Jim Brown threw all those bombs in those chutes is an exhilarated moment in the movie.
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4:44AM on 02/06/2014

Dirty Dozen all the way

The actual Basterds are not featured enough to win this, as I recall the main focus is on a french girl out for revenge
The actual Basterds are not featured enough to win this, as I recall the main focus is on a french girl out for revenge
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3:55AM on 02/06/2014

I hate it when these articles are a draw.

But I think this one should be. Both awesome films.
But I think this one should be. Both awesome films.
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3:30AM on 02/06/2014
I enjoyed Inglorious Basterds but I think you're going to get a whole bunch of flack for this.
I enjoyed Inglorious Basterds but I think you're going to get a whole bunch of flack for this.
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