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Face-Off: J.J. Abrams vs. Joss Whedon

05.16.2013by: JoBlo
For last weeks Face-Off, we geared up for the release of The Great Gatsby by pitting Leonardo DiCaprio's villainous turn as Calvin Candie in Quentin's Django Unchained against another brainchild of Tarantino's in Hans Landa as portrayed by Christoph Waltz. The articles verdict and the general consensus from our readers is that while DiCaprio portrayed a great villain with Candie, Hans Landa is just too much of an iconic son of a bitch not to take the win.

This week, J.J. Abrams solidifies himself as one of the top dogs in Hollywood with the release of Star Trek Into Darkness . With that in mind, we thought why not throw him in the ring with another one of the best in the industry today in the man responsible for The Avengers in Joss Whedon. Joss Whedon, for his fanbase that follows his work regularly have been of the opinion for a long time that he's churned out nothing but quality over the years. J.J. Abrams has also amassed an impressive amount of film buffs who think everything he touches turns to gold, but I think he's backed himself into a corner that what he does with Star Wars Episode VII will be his defining moment. It's hard to argue with the fact that both these power house filmmakers are the main sources of our summer excitement these days and will be for a while, but who do you fancy more?
Television Work
J.J. started his film career as a co-creator of the drama series Felicity, along with Cloverfield director Matt Reeves. In 2001 Abrams created the spy show Alias starring the always hot Jennifer Garner which ran for six years, quality television for the most part. In 2004 came Lost, which many fans have a love hate relationship with today...but it has to be said that Abrams created something with this show that was able to stay compelling for better or worse. In 2008 we were introduced to Fringe, a great show that ended its run this year. Most recently J.J. has attached his name as an Executive Producer to shows like Person of Interest and Revolution. Pretty damn impressive resume.
Joss Whedon earned his stripes as a golden boy of television in a big way by creating the Buffy the Vampire Slayer series, which ran for a good seven seasons. This intersected with a Buffy spinoff co-created by Whedon in Angel, which had an impressive five season run...much better than most spinoffs. Perhaps the most interesting aspect of Whedon's TV career is the short lived space western series Firefly, which only ran for 13 episodes. Over the years the series has gained a pretty big, impressive cult status, more than many shows that were allowed to run its course. Whedon followed that up with the short lived Dollhouse, and co-created the much anticipated upcoming Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Whedon has also written episodes Roseanne, and directed episodes of The Office and Glee.
Film Work
Writing/Co-Writing: Taking Care of Business, Regarding Henry, Forever Young, Gone Fishin', Armageddon, Joy Ride, and Mission Impossible III. Directing: Mission Impossible III, Star Trek, Super 8, Star Trek Into Darkness, and the soon to be Star Wars Episode VII. Also produced films like Cloverfield, Morning Glory, and the fourth Mission Impossible. MI:III remains the best in the series to me, Super 8 made me feel like a kid again, and while Abrams' Star Trek didn't turn me into a Trekkie per se, I still enjoyed the hell out of it. Haven't counted my vote for the Trek sequel yet, but it will be an interesting journey into a galaxy far far away for Abrams, will he be back to direct more after his first? He has a hell of a resume so far, can he keep it up?
Writing/Co-Writing: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The Getaway, Speed, Waterworld, Toy Story, Alien: Resurrection, Titan A.E, X-Men, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Cabin in the Woods. Directing: Serenity, The Avengers (also wrote), Much Ado About Nothing, and the upcoming Avengers 2 (also wrote). On the writing side of things, Whedon has verbalized his disappointed outlook on many of the films he worked as a scribe on, but hey he always has Toy Story. His filmography isn't as extensive as that of Abrams, but I feel inclined to make this category a tie. I mean, does the fact that The Avengers went on to become one of the the highest grossing film of all time persuade you to agree? Or does Abrams' more lengthy body of work give him the edge in your eyes?
Accolades
Abrams has a total 28 award nominations, with 9 wins. Those awards that he won can be credited to Lost, he won 6 of his 9 awards in the name of the acclaimed show. He won an SFX award for Best Director for Star Trek, and a Best Director award from Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Films for Super 8. Most recently he received a Norman Lear Achievement Award for Television via the PGA. A blemish on these accolades for Abrams? Perhaps it would be the Razzie that he was nominated for due to his contribution to Armageddon. But two things to consider, for those of you who didn't like that film (I dug it), J.J. Abrams isn't the guy to blame, two he didn't win so there was an even steamier pile of shit that year.
Whedon's tally is 34 award nominations, with a total of 13 wins. Three of Whedon's first nominations include an Academy for Best Original Screenplay can be credited to Toy Story, he should have won all three dammit. A bunch of Hugo and Emmy nominations followed for his work on some specific episodes of his numerous television shows over the years including Buffy, Angel, and Firefly. His most recent awards can be attributed to the kick ass Cabin in the Woods and The Avengers. The most recent award he's won is a Belfast Film Festival Audience Award for Much Ado About Nothing, hopefully that's an indicator that Whedon shows no signs of losing his touch anytime soon.
Fandom
J.J. Abrams has gotten to a point in his career where many will flock to at least check out whatever he has his name attached to, even if he's only signed on as an Executive Producer. Abrams is one of those elite filmmakers that inspire trust, you have faith in what he's doing and it is very rare that he has let us all down. Many people have a re-invigorated appreciation for Stark Trek since J.J. Abrams took the mantle, a few aren't buying into it. Like I stated at the beginning of the article, how Abrams handles Star Wars is very important. The fan base for SW is nothing to fuck around with, and I fear if he messes it up everything he's accomplished in terms of quality will be diminished thanks to a fanboy's unforgiving nature. In the meantime, it's a testament to how highly many think of J.J. Abrams that says we have faith that he may be able to take the franchise into a new generation.
For a long time Joss Whedon had a very dedicated fanbase among TV and film buffs for his tendency to bring his wit into the shows he gave birth to. Buffy the Vampire Slayer has its fair share of people who look back on the show fondly, that was pushed over the other side of the mountain with Firefly. It's amazing the amount of love and attention the show has gained when it had already been canceled, enough to warrant a film to tie up the story. With the first Avengers out in the world, Whedon is no doubt Hollywood royalty now...not only within the industry but with fans as well. Whedon has signed on for Avengers 2, and how well he can balance comedy with drama, and give a stat studded cast equal moments to shine are exactly why Joss is one of the best things going today in the public's eye and here's to hoping he signs on for a third Avengers to remind us once again why we all love him.
Joss Whedon
There you have it folks, two very talented filmmakers but there could only be one winner and Joss Whedon is catering to my sensibilities the more and more I see of his work. But as always, this is just one mans opinion and I have seen some interesting outlooks thanks to this column, so where do you stand on this battle? Time to strike back!

If you have an idea that you'd like to see in a future FACE OFF column, feel free to shoot an email to me at paulhuffman@joblo.com with your ideas and some ideas for the critique to base your ideas off. Thank you and in the meantime...

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1:25AM on 05/17/2013
Joss is my guy. Bar none.
Joss is my guy. Bar none.
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12:25AM on 05/17/2013

JOSS WHEDON

Because he made Serenity for all of the Firefly fans...
Because he made Serenity for all of the Firefly fans...
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8:30PM on 05/16/2013

WHAT A FUNNY JOKE PLEASE TELL ME ANOTHER

Whedon no contest.

Whedon no contest.

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8:09PM on 05/16/2013

Both are great to me.

HMM I love J.J. Abrams, I have enjoyed his work since LOST and I am on the verge of finishing Fringe. He is my favorite director and I want him to be able to do as much as possible. Joss Whedon is referred to me and my friends as the king of nerds as for now anyway. I really enjoy his TV work and his film work and I was a very huge fan of The cabin in the woods, for someone to come up with an original horror movie like that was surprising and great all the way around. I enjoy both works of
HMM I love J.J. Abrams, I have enjoyed his work since LOST and I am on the verge of finishing Fringe. He is my favorite director and I want him to be able to do as much as possible. Joss Whedon is referred to me and my friends as the king of nerds as for now anyway. I really enjoy his TV work and his film work and I was a very huge fan of The cabin in the woods, for someone to come up with an original horror movie like that was surprising and great all the way around. I enjoy both works of these very talented men and will look forward to whatever they do next but I will say that Mr. Abrams has to be very careful with his next project and those sides of the scifi universe.
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7:38PM on 05/16/2013

It's a close one, but I go with JJ

I choose Abrams because of his continued relationship with composer Michael Giacchino, who has given us some of the best scores of the last decade. His work for Lost, Star Trek, M:I III, and Super 8 have some really great themes. Whedon's films have some good music too, but not at the same level. But Abrams and Giacchino seem to be the new Spielberg/Williams in terms of director/composer relationships.
I choose Abrams because of his continued relationship with composer Michael Giacchino, who has given us some of the best scores of the last decade. His work for Lost, Star Trek, M:I III, and Super 8 have some really great themes. Whedon's films have some good music too, but not at the same level. But Abrams and Giacchino seem to be the new Spielberg/Williams in terms of director/composer relationships.
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6:18PM on 05/16/2013
Everyone loves Whedon, but I find JJ Abrams to be a bit more talented and risk taking. I liked everything Whedon has done, but I don't love anything he has done. I respect what he accomplished with The Avengers, but I didn't think it was great personally It was too juvenile for me. JJ Abrams on the other hand is a more serious film maker. His movies have more weight to them and I loved Star Trek 2009 a lot more then anything Whedon has done.
Everyone loves Whedon, but I find JJ Abrams to be a bit more talented and risk taking. I liked everything Whedon has done, but I don't love anything he has done. I respect what he accomplished with The Avengers, but I didn't think it was great personally It was too juvenile for me. JJ Abrams on the other hand is a more serious film maker. His movies have more weight to them and I loved Star Trek 2009 a lot more then anything Whedon has done.
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8:34PM on 05/16/2013
" His movies have more weight to them"

lol which movie? which abrams scene comes close to the Operative's monologue in the beginning of Serenity? Which Abrams movie hits as hard as the second season of Dollhouse?

Abrams can't write characters. He can't build universes. He's a swell dude but no comparison.
" His movies have more weight to them"

lol which movie? which abrams scene comes close to the Operative's monologue in the beginning of Serenity? Which Abrams movie hits as hard as the second season of Dollhouse?

Abrams can't write characters. He can't build universes. He's a swell dude but no comparison.
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4:15PM on 05/16/2013
Ehhhhhh, I'd go the other way. Abrams for the win
Ehhhhhh, I'd go the other way. Abrams for the win
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3:47PM on 05/16/2013
This like trying to compare Paul Thomas Anderson to Paul WS Anderson. Abrams is far superior and the best hope for the future of summer cinema being an event and entertaining Unless you want everything infantilized then of course you have Joss Whedon.
This like trying to compare Paul Thomas Anderson to Paul WS Anderson. Abrams is far superior and the best hope for the future of summer cinema being an event and entertaining Unless you want everything infantilized then of course you have Joss Whedon.
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2:58PM on 05/16/2013
I'd easily give it to Joss Whedon.

Whedon's work:
Firefly - 10/10
Serenity - 9/10
Avengers - 9/10
Buffy/Angel - 9/10
Dollhouse - 7/10
Dr. Horrible - 9/10
Astonishing X-Men Comic - 10/10

Abrams Work:
Star Trek - 8/10
Super 8 - 8/10
MI:3 - 6/10
Alias - 8/10
Fringe - 7/10
Lost - 7/10 (started off great, but the last few seasons killed it for me)
Felicity - 5/10
I'd easily give it to Joss Whedon.

Whedon's work:
Firefly - 10/10
Serenity - 9/10
Avengers - 9/10
Buffy/Angel - 9/10
Dollhouse - 7/10
Dr. Horrible - 9/10
Astonishing X-Men Comic - 10/10

Abrams Work:
Star Trek - 8/10
Super 8 - 8/10
MI:3 - 6/10
Alias - 8/10
Fringe - 7/10
Lost - 7/10 (started off great, but the last few seasons killed it for me)
Felicity - 5/10
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1:11PM on 11/02/2013
Good thing your not a real movie critic.
Good thing your not a real movie critic.
1:22AM on 05/18/2013
wtf? Star trek was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Avengers's juvenile movie style
wtf? Star trek was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Avengers's juvenile movie style
2:48PM on 05/16/2013

Joss wins due to a flawless record, JJ's record has its flaws

Whedon is yet to make a bad movie, Serenity kicked ass and so did The Avengers, JJ on the other hand hasn't been 100%, Super 8 was a good attempt, but it clearly fell short of the ET or Close Encounters quality it was striving for, and how can anyone say Mission Impossible 3 is that great when the MI4 was hailed as a much better addition to the franchise, MI3 was eh, Okay, Philip Seymour Hoffman was the most intriguing part in my opinion.
Whedon is yet to make a bad movie, Serenity kicked ass and so did The Avengers, JJ on the other hand hasn't been 100%, Super 8 was a good attempt, but it clearly fell short of the ET or Close Encounters quality it was striving for, and how can anyone say Mission Impossible 3 is that great when the MI4 was hailed as a much better addition to the franchise, MI3 was eh, Okay, Philip Seymour Hoffman was the most intriguing part in my opinion.
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2:40PM on 05/16/2013
Abrams is great. But I've never felt like such a kid at the movies as when I saw Avengers. That's hard to do.
Abrams is great. But I've never felt like such a kid at the movies as when I saw Avengers. That's hard to do.
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1:44PM on 05/16/2013
If Abrams pulls of Star Wars. I will admire the guy. Then he really is god sent for all nerds.
If Abrams pulls of Star Wars. I will admire the guy. Then he really is god sent for all nerds.
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1:39PM on 05/16/2013

both are...

highly overrated.
highly overrated.
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1:36PM on 05/16/2013
JJ wins Best Director, Joss wins Best Writer. JJ wins on Movies, Joss wins on TV. They're tied in terms of producing and overall influence in Hollywood.

JJ's skill behind the camera wins out for me. Consistently makes amazing use of big sets, gorgeously crafted action sequences and seamless use of CGI, and packs his movies with great characters, wit, memorable iconography and charm. He understands what makes movies a unique and wonderful medium and there is no one better qualified to
JJ wins Best Director, Joss wins Best Writer. JJ wins on Movies, Joss wins on TV. They're tied in terms of producing and overall influence in Hollywood.

JJ's skill behind the camera wins out for me. Consistently makes amazing use of big sets, gorgeously crafted action sequences and seamless use of CGI, and packs his movies with great characters, wit, memorable iconography and charm. He understands what makes movies a unique and wonderful medium and there is no one better qualified to handle Episode VII.
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12:10PM on 05/16/2013
The real winner is Disney. Both guys are great and their names alone will convince me to see anything they are involved with.
The real winner is Disney. Both guys are great and their names alone will convince me to see anything they are involved with.
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11:40AM on 05/16/2013

Joss Whedon, who is very likable, is overrated thanks to fanboys

I like Whedon, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. His best work directorial effort is still "Dr. Horrible", and his best screenplay is "Toy Story". The guy has had some impressive TV material and one "good" film (The Avengers) and that's it! And let's not forget this is the guy who wrote the screenplay for Alien Resurrection:(
Abrams has had multiple TV credits, multiple film credits from Regarding Henry to Armageddon. And he's had better films than Whedon.
I like Whedon, but you
I like Whedon, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. His best work directorial effort is still "Dr. Horrible", and his best screenplay is "Toy Story". The guy has had some impressive TV material and one "good" film (The Avengers) and that's it! And let's not forget this is the guy who wrote the screenplay for Alien Resurrection:(
Abrams has had multiple TV credits, multiple film credits from Regarding Henry to Armageddon. And he's had better films than Whedon.
I like Whedon, but you fanboys are killing off any chance of really liking him. J.J. gets my vote for his more impressive filmography, and especially for getting non-Star Trek fans interested in Star Trek.
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1:16PM on 11/02/2013
luke319: The studio always make screenplay revisions, this is nothing new. But the main plot of Alien Resurrection is still Whedon, which was total crap.
Toy Story's screenplay is nothing scoff about????? It's a brilliant story relatable to kids and adults.
luke319: The studio always make screenplay revisions, this is nothing new. But the main plot of Alien Resurrection is still Whedon, which was total crap.
Toy Story's screenplay is nothing scoff about????? It's a brilliant story relatable to kids and adults.
2:22PM on 05/16/2013
In my book Serenity is Whedon's most impressive directorial effort. I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but as much as I liked Abram's Star Trek I still feel that Serenity is the more accomplished of the two.

As far as writing goes though I think Whedon just wins hands down. To be fair, I don't think this article does the best job of championing Whedon's writing credits. Yeah, he wrote Alien Resurection, but the studio made him revise his original screenplay several times until it became
In my book Serenity is Whedon's most impressive directorial effort. I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but as much as I liked Abram's Star Trek I still feel that Serenity is the more accomplished of the two.

As far as writing goes though I think Whedon just wins hands down. To be fair, I don't think this article does the best job of championing Whedon's writing credits. Yeah, he wrote Alien Resurection, but the studio made him revise his original screenplay several times until it became something that he didn't really like anymore. He's also done a lot of lesser known or uncredited work like writing the final drafts of "Speed" and "Titan A.E." and to be fair the screenplay for Toy Story is nothing to scoff at.
11:18AM on 05/16/2013
JJ wins in the category of most Lens Flares.
JJ wins in the category of most Lens Flares.
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10:25AM on 05/16/2013

Joss by a slim margin...

I think the funniest part of this whole thing is that I was never a huge fan of Buffy or Angel, and both of them really fizzled out toward the end of the shows really long runs, but I thought Firefly was a fantastic show. And while Abrams is a very talented guy, his work has never really struck me the way that some of Whedon's has... Don't get me wrong, MI:3 was by far the best of the series in my opinion, and I loved what he did with Star Trek, but Whedon's uncredited work alone is enough to
I think the funniest part of this whole thing is that I was never a huge fan of Buffy or Angel, and both of them really fizzled out toward the end of the shows really long runs, but I thought Firefly was a fantastic show. And while Abrams is a very talented guy, his work has never really struck me the way that some of Whedon's has... Don't get me wrong, MI:3 was by far the best of the series in my opinion, and I loved what he did with Star Trek, but Whedon's uncredited work alone is enough to show what an amazing talent he really is.
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9:43AM on 05/16/2013
They're both terrible, but Whedon out-terribles Abrams because of his terribly-written dialogue.

Plus, he looks like a fucking hamster.
They're both terrible, but Whedon out-terribles Abrams because of his terribly-written dialogue.

Plus, he looks like a fucking hamster.
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9:53AM on 05/16/2013
False. You out-terrible them because of you're terribly written dialogue.

Nah, I'm just kidding. If you don't like Whedon's dialogue then that's fine. However, that's one aspect of his writing that's consistently praised by the majority of critics. I guess its like Tarantino or Wes Anderson's though, where its stylized and some people really like it and others are really annoyed by it.
False. You out-terrible them because of you're terribly written dialogue.

Nah, I'm just kidding. If you don't like Whedon's dialogue then that's fine. However, that's one aspect of his writing that's consistently praised by the majority of critics. I guess its like Tarantino or Wes Anderson's though, where its stylized and some people really like it and others are really annoyed by it.
9:36AM on 05/16/2013

Matter of opinon

First off The Avengers did not go on to become the highest grossing film of all time. That title still belongs to Avatar. I have to say that while I appreciate both film makers, my vote has to go to Abrams. He just has a way of drawing the audience in immediately. I mean, rewatch the opening of Star Trek and tell me you weren't sold in the first ten minutes.
First off The Avengers did not go on to become the highest grossing film of all time. That title still belongs to Avatar. I have to say that while I appreciate both film makers, my vote has to go to Abrams. He just has a way of drawing the audience in immediately. I mean, rewatch the opening of Star Trek and tell me you weren't sold in the first ten minutes.
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2:51PM on 05/16/2013
I wasn't sold in the first ten minutes because Abrams is a lousy director.
I wasn't sold in the first ten minutes because Abrams is a lousy director.
9:00AM on 05/16/2013

Cabin in the Woods

Whoever had the creativity and horror knowledge of classic tropes to pen a film such as Cabin in the Woods has an eternal upper hand for me.

However, both dudes rock!
Whoever had the creativity and horror knowledge of classic tropes to pen a film such as Cabin in the Woods has an eternal upper hand for me.

However, both dudes rock!
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8:40AM on 05/16/2013
Whedon wins as a writer, for sure. As a director, it's probably more Abrams' victory, if only because Whedon needs more big screen opportunities to compete with Abrams, which I'm sure he'll get if Avengers 2 does what it needs to.
Might be a bit too early to call this one for definite, though.
Whedon wins as a writer, for sure. As a director, it's probably more Abrams' victory, if only because Whedon needs more big screen opportunities to compete with Abrams, which I'm sure he'll get if Avengers 2 does what it needs to.
Might be a bit too early to call this one for definite, though.
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2:05PM on 05/16/2013
I'm one of those sourpusses who just thought The Avengers was okay, so to me Abrams does have the edge as a movie director. But like i said, it's probably a bit too early to be judging them this way, especially for movies, as both have a stronger grounding in TV work to date.
I love Whedon's writing style though. If I wasn't already a fan of his work, Cabin In The Woods was one of the funnest cinema experiences I've had in a while.
I'm one of those sourpusses who just thought The Avengers was okay, so to me Abrams does have the edge as a movie director. But like i said, it's probably a bit too early to be judging them this way, especially for movies, as both have a stronger grounding in TV work to date.
I love Whedon's writing style though. If I wasn't already a fan of his work, Cabin In The Woods was one of the funnest cinema experiences I've had in a while.
9:50AM on 05/16/2013
I agree that as a writer Whedon wins hands down. I'm curious why you feel J.J. has such an edge as a director though. I mean at this point he's directed 4 films (MI:3, Star Trek, Super 8, Star Trek Into Darkness) and Whedon's directed 3 (Serenity, The Avengers, Much Ado About Nothing) so its not like he really much experience on him.
I agree that as a writer Whedon wins hands down. I'm curious why you feel J.J. has such an edge as a director though. I mean at this point he's directed 4 films (MI:3, Star Trek, Super 8, Star Trek Into Darkness) and Whedon's directed 3 (Serenity, The Avengers, Much Ado About Nothing) so its not like he really much experience on him.
8:31AM on 05/16/2013
Joss Whedon. If this was asked before The Avengers came out, I'd have said it's a tie. But after The Avengers, Whedon proves he can make the impossible possible.
Joss Whedon. If this was asked before The Avengers came out, I'd have said it's a tie. But after The Avengers, Whedon proves he can make the impossible possible.
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8:19AM on 05/16/2013

Whedon by a whisker

Both filmmakers have done amazing work, but Whedon barely edges it for me. I would have like SUPER 8 more if I hadn't seen the much stronger ATTACK THE BLOCK right afterward and I actually preferred the Brad Bird-directed GHOST PROTOCOL over MI:III. Then again, his version of STAR TREK was phenomenal.

I really enjoy Whedon's dialogue and his ability to give each member of an ensemble cast their moment to shine. I loved DR. HORRIBLE, AVENGERS kicked serious ass and I'm really looking
Both filmmakers have done amazing work, but Whedon barely edges it for me. I would have like SUPER 8 more if I hadn't seen the much stronger ATTACK THE BLOCK right afterward and I actually preferred the Brad Bird-directed GHOST PROTOCOL over MI:III. Then again, his version of STAR TREK was phenomenal.

I really enjoy Whedon's dialogue and his ability to give each member of an ensemble cast their moment to shine. I loved DR. HORRIBLE, AVENGERS kicked serious ass and I'm really looking forward to MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
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7:14AM on 05/16/2013

HHHMMMMM

While I do enjoy these Face Off Columns, and this one could've gone either way, does anyone else feel that the writers, whoever they are, adds categories to sway the face off to whomever or whatever they like more. Accolades? Fandom?
While I do enjoy these Face Off Columns, and this one could've gone either way, does anyone else feel that the writers, whoever they are, adds categories to sway the face off to whomever or whatever they like more. Accolades? Fandom?
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5:14AM on 05/16/2013
JJ wins film work, there is no tie. Whedon has done like 2 movies. You gave it to him simply because of Avengers.
JJ wins film work, there is no tie. Whedon has done like 2 movies. You gave it to him simply because of Avengers.
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6:42PM on 05/16/2013
Yeah but JJ has done a lot of producing as well and that was conveniently left out. Also the guy is doing Star Wars, so if you're counting Avengers 2 you have to count SW as well. But honestly there's really no convincing me because I didn't thing Avengers was all that good as everyone says. To me it was just a popcorn flick.
Yeah but JJ has done a lot of producing as well and that was conveniently left out. Also the guy is doing Star Wars, so if you're counting Avengers 2 you have to count SW as well. But honestly there's really no convincing me because I didn't thing Avengers was all that good as everyone says. To me it was just a popcorn flick.
11:56AM on 05/16/2013
Ummmmmmmm....By the end of the summer, Abrams will still be 1 film ahead of Whedon, with Star Wars on the way. Abrams has had way better films, and his films keep getting better and better. The best thing Whedon has done was Dr. Horrible and writing Toy Story. Cabin in The Woods would've been really good if the ending had not sucked. Star Trek, and especially Into Darkness, blows The Avengers out of the water. The Avengers is fun entertainment and that's it, the film doesn't go any extra
Ummmmmmmm....By the end of the summer, Abrams will still be 1 film ahead of Whedon, with Star Wars on the way. Abrams has had way better films, and his films keep getting better and better. The best thing Whedon has done was Dr. Horrible and writing Toy Story. Cabin in The Woods would've been really good if the ending had not sucked. Star Trek, and especially Into Darkness, blows The Avengers out of the water. The Avengers is fun entertainment and that's it, the film doesn't go any extra mileage, and even gets a little sluggish halfway through.
9:47AM on 05/16/2013
Umm... by the end of this summer Abrams will have directed 4 movies and Whedon will have directed 3.D So its not like he's really that much more experienced of a filmmaker.

And in the film category they gave him a win because he's very solidly 2 for 2 with Serenity and The Avengers and will hopefully be 3 for 3 in a few months.
Umm... by the end of this summer Abrams will have directed 4 movies and Whedon will have directed 3.D So its not like he's really that much more experienced of a filmmaker.

And in the film category they gave him a win because he's very solidly 2 for 2 with Serenity and The Avengers and will hopefully be 3 for 3 in a few months.
8:11AM on 05/16/2013
Without choosing sides(still trying to decide which one I'd pick over the other), I have to play devil's advocate in this regard and point out that Whedon was one of the go to script doctors in the 90's when he worked on countless films. For example Speed may have been credited to Graham Yost, but it's well known that Whedon wrote most of that movie. So I'd say the tie for film work is fair.
Without choosing sides(still trying to decide which one I'd pick over the other), I have to play devil's advocate in this regard and point out that Whedon was one of the go to script doctors in the 90's when he worked on countless films. For example Speed may have been credited to Graham Yost, but it's well known that Whedon wrote most of that movie. So I'd say the tie for film work is fair.
4:13AM on 05/16/2013
Yea JJ is a better film maker tho by miles. If he had been behind avengers...GOOD GOD!!!!! we wouldn't have gotten a comedy slap stick movie, but more of a serious light hearted work of sophisticated action adventure as he tends to have smarter material than Whedon overall. Honestly, even TV shows over all goes to Abrams. Star Trek 1 or 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avengers ten fold
Yea JJ is a better film maker tho by miles. If he had been behind avengers...GOOD GOD!!!!! we wouldn't have gotten a comedy slap stick movie, but more of a serious light hearted work of sophisticated action adventure as he tends to have smarter material than Whedon overall. Honestly, even TV shows over all goes to Abrams. Star Trek 1 or 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avengers ten fold
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4:12AM on 05/16/2013

Joss Whedon is smart

I thought Marvel was stupid for attempting something like The Avengers because it's not easy to juggle so many superheroes in a film. Just look at Bryan Singer's X-Men films - they focus on Wolverine and barely look at the other characters. But Joss Whedon pulled it off with The Avengers - he gave each character a time to shine.

I don't know how much involvement JJ Abrams had with Lost and Alias but those shows really dipped in quality in the latter seasons. I didn't like his Mission
I thought Marvel was stupid for attempting something like The Avengers because it's not easy to juggle so many superheroes in a film. Just look at Bryan Singer's X-Men films - they focus on Wolverine and barely look at the other characters. But Joss Whedon pulled it off with The Avengers - he gave each character a time to shine.

I don't know how much involvement JJ Abrams had with Lost and Alias but those shows really dipped in quality in the latter seasons. I didn't like his Mission Impossible either.
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4:02AM on 05/16/2013
J.J
J.J
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3:15AM on 05/16/2013

fuck wheadon

JJ for me.

Not a fan of any of wheadons shows.
He also makes safe kiddy films.

JJ gave us a new star trek and is doing the same with star wars.

He wins!!
JJ for me.

Not a fan of any of wheadons shows.
He also makes safe kiddy films.

JJ gave us a new star trek and is doing the same with star wars.

He wins!!
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10:57AM on 05/16/2013
Saying he makes safe kiddie shows is not a valid point as to why he isn't better Than J.J.
Mr. Rogers only made Safe kiddie shows and he rocked the frakin casbah. He knows what he's good at and sticks with it. And talking about films to make toys, what do you think Star Wars and Aliens was made for. Toys was a HUGE part of those movies. The Avengers were selling toys YEARS before they were even thought of being put to the big screen. I have to say I only read these blogs to find your
Saying he makes safe kiddie shows is not a valid point as to why he isn't better Than J.J.
Mr. Rogers only made Safe kiddie shows and he rocked the frakin casbah. He knows what he's good at and sticks with it. And talking about films to make toys, what do you think Star Wars and Aliens was made for. Toys was a HUGE part of those movies. The Avengers were selling toys YEARS before they were even thought of being put to the big screen. I have to say I only read these blogs to find your opinions because i find them so opposite of what i think on these topics. It's nice to know I have an opposite out there.
10:02AM on 05/16/2013
Aww man you need to stop talking.

Spider-man is a kids character, he should be kiddy.

Not overly kiddy like raimis trilogy or the avengers tho.

Films made to sell toys they are!!
Aww man you need to stop talking.

Spider-man is a kids character, he should be kiddy.

Not overly kiddy like raimis trilogy or the avengers tho.

Films made to sell toys they are!!
8:09AM on 05/16/2013
The Amazing Spider Man is a safe kiddy film and sucks much ass compared to The Avengers.
The Amazing Spider Man is a safe kiddy film and sucks much ass compared to The Avengers.
2:51AM on 05/16/2013
I love 'em both. I think one of the marks of a good filmmaker is a genuine passion and interest in what you're doing, and Abrams and Whedon seem to convey that every time. Both have worked their magic with big franchises and I don't think they've ever lost "the human touch" in their writing or direction. Not every big-budget blockbuster has to be soulless and empty, and these two have proven that if nothing else. Keep on trucking, sirs.
I love 'em both. I think one of the marks of a good filmmaker is a genuine passion and interest in what you're doing, and Abrams and Whedon seem to convey that every time. Both have worked their magic with big franchises and I don't think they've ever lost "the human touch" in their writing or direction. Not every big-budget blockbuster has to be soulless and empty, and these two have proven that if nothing else. Keep on trucking, sirs.
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2:19AM on 05/16/2013
Both have created something I really appreciate Lost and The Avengers. But I'm going to go with J.J just because Lost was the first show where I got really invested with a show when I was growing up. But both sides can argue and no one would be wrong
Both have created something I really appreciate Lost and The Avengers. But I'm going to go with J.J just because Lost was the first show where I got really invested with a show when I was growing up. But both sides can argue and no one would be wrong
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1:59AM on 05/16/2013

Both tremendously talented guys, but Joss wins for me.

I feel like J.J. tends to spread himself a little thinner, and while he delivers some absolute quality products he also delivers a lot of products that appear to be quality at first but ultimately turn up empty. On the other hand while Joss' stuff isn't always my cup of tea, they almost without exception are objectively well made.
I feel like J.J. tends to spread himself a little thinner, and while he delivers some absolute quality products he also delivers a lot of products that appear to be quality at first but ultimately turn up empty. On the other hand while Joss' stuff isn't always my cup of tea, they almost without exception are objectively well made.
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1:18AM on 05/16/2013
Joss Whedon can do everything, J.J.Abrams can do everything BUT write.
Joss Whedon can do everything, J.J.Abrams can do everything BUT write.
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8:55PM on 05/17/2013
He's an excellent director and producer, but there was a period when every damn one of his projects involved prophecies, exploding brain bombs, and the CIA. Have you read his Superman script? Maybe he's gotten better, but I haven't seen him hired to write much lately...








He's an excellent director and producer, but there was a period when every damn one of his projects involved prophecies, exploding brain bombs, and the CIA. Have you read his Superman script? Maybe he's gotten better, but I haven't seen him hired to write much lately...








5:12AM on 05/16/2013
I'm a bigger Whedon fan but to say Abrams can't write is delusional, he even started as a screenwriter and has won emmy's for his written work.
I'm a bigger Whedon fan but to say Abrams can't write is delusional, he even started as a screenwriter and has won emmy's for his written work.
12:50AM on 05/16/2013
I love both of them and their genius work, and j love how both of them make the characters the heart of all of their stories, but Whedon wins for me. After all of his bad luck with all of his great quality television shows the guy was able to give us one of the greatest movies and arguably the greatest superhero movie of all time, The Avengers and now is practically overseeing everything over at Marvel.

I think Whedon is the person that Abrams will eventually become later on in his career,
I love both of them and their genius work, and j love how both of them make the characters the heart of all of their stories, but Whedon wins for me. After all of his bad luck with all of his great quality television shows the guy was able to give us one of the greatest movies and arguably the greatest superhero movie of all time, The Avengers and now is practically overseeing everything over at Marvel.

I think Whedon is the person that Abrams will eventually become later on in his career, but as for right now the top spot goes to Whedon.
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10:10AM on 05/16/2013
You like buffy and angle?
Just about sums you up.
You like buffy and angle?
Just about sums you up.
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12:42AM on 05/16/2013
I can't really argue this, but it's JJ for me. Both have a great body of work, but JJ's work tends to attract me more. I've never really been interested in following any of Whedon's shows, even with their quality. They just never really appealed to me. I followed Firefly for a little while, but then lost interest. The one place I will disagree with is film work. JJ has had better success, I think, as a director for major films. The only film I can think of that Whedon has done that is notable
I can't really argue this, but it's JJ for me. Both have a great body of work, but JJ's work tends to attract me more. I've never really been interested in following any of Whedon's shows, even with their quality. They just never really appealed to me. I followed Firefly for a little while, but then lost interest. The one place I will disagree with is film work. JJ has had better success, I think, as a director for major films. The only film I can think of that Whedon has done that is notable is Avengers. I mean, it's a pretty damn good credit, but it's still just the one. On the other hand, JJ has done M:I III and two Star Trek films, not to mention that he is set to helm the next Star Wars. JJ is handling the two biggest sci-fi franchises ever made. That, to me, is something very few people in Hollywood can compete with. I'd also argue that JJ has a handle on the best advertising for productions I have ever seen for entertainment. His handling of the viral marketing for both LOST and Cloverfield, I think, set in motion the current trend of viral marketing that many films and tv shows have taken on (especially with the marketing for LOST).
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10:48AM on 05/16/2013
See evil eric, this is how you make a solid case towards why you think one is better than the other. Valid points with examples work much better on a blog than bland opinions of affection. Although I will give you points for having me learn a new word today. Milquetoast, something Joss Whedon is most certainly not.
See evil eric, this is how you make a solid case towards why you think one is better than the other. Valid points with examples work much better on a blog than bland opinions of affection. Although I will give you points for having me learn a new word today. Milquetoast, something Joss Whedon is most certainly not.
12:36AM on 05/16/2013

J.J.

J.J. Abrams. Joss Whedon makes safe, milquetoast type tv and films. His characters have no depth, nor are they interesting. J.J. creates whole worlds that people cannot wait to get back to. I think he's super talented and I always love to see what he's working on next.
J.J. Abrams. Joss Whedon makes safe, milquetoast type tv and films. His characters have no depth, nor are they interesting. J.J. creates whole worlds that people cannot wait to get back to. I think he's super talented and I always love to see what he's working on next.
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12:49PM on 05/16/2013
He still sucks. He made a tv show for 12 yo gothic girls. It doesn't make him any better than some soap opera director.
He still sucks. He made a tv show for 12 yo gothic girls. It doesn't make him any better than some soap opera director.
10:35AM on 05/16/2013
You win! heh
You win! heh
10:33AM on 05/16/2013
[link] He was a writer in that horrible Luke Perry movie. Which means he was a part of creating it. Do your research before you talk shit about stuff which you CLEARLY know nothing about. Thank you and goodbye.
[link] He was a writer in that horrible Luke Perry movie. Which means he was a part of creating it. Do your research before you talk shit about stuff which you CLEARLY know nothing about. Thank you and goodbye.
10:28AM on 05/16/2013
He wrote that horrible Luke Perry. Buffy is all Joss.
He wrote that horrible Luke Perry. Buffy is all Joss.
9:47AM on 05/16/2013
He took the idea from that horrible Luke Perry movie. Original!
He took the idea from that horrible Luke Perry movie. Original!
7:48AM on 05/16/2013
Whedon did create Buffy. Get your facts straight.
Whedon did create Buffy. Get your facts straight.
7:22AM on 05/16/2013
Right, because the Avengers and Buffy the Vampire Slayer were original characters that he created. Super 8 was more of a homage to Spielberg. Not a copy. Even he will say it.
Right, because the Avengers and Buffy the Vampire Slayer were original characters that he created. Super 8 was more of a homage to Spielberg. Not a copy. Even he will say it.
2:54AM on 05/16/2013
At least Whedon does original work and doesn't do crappy imitations of Spielberg 80's movies. Also, Whedon doesn't bail out in the middle of a project when something new and shiny catches his A.D.H.D.-addled mind.
At least Whedon does original work and doesn't do crappy imitations of Spielberg 80's movies. Also, Whedon doesn't bail out in the middle of a project when something new and shiny catches his A.D.H.D.-addled mind.
1:55AM on 05/16/2013
Whedon gave more depth to a bunch of toys then we get in most mainstream films. That says something about the guy's characterization.
Whedon gave more depth to a bunch of toys then we get in most mainstream films. That says something about the guy's characterization.
12:27AM on 05/16/2013
Two fantastic creative minds who always put character at the heart of what they do. Love JJ and his work, but Whedon has to win. He creates fresh TV properties that make people freaking rabid. Not an easy feat.

Honourable mention has to go to Doctor Horrible as well - Whedon culturally was leading the charge in new media at a very crucial time in TV history. And it's a super villain musical. Come on. Not enough of those.

And yes, this is a movie site, so no worries that it wasn't
Two fantastic creative minds who always put character at the heart of what they do. Love JJ and his work, but Whedon has to win. He creates fresh TV properties that make people freaking rabid. Not an easy feat.

Honourable mention has to go to Doctor Horrible as well - Whedon culturally was leading the charge in new media at a very crucial time in TV history. And it's a super villain musical. Come on. Not enough of those.

And yes, this is a movie site, so no worries that it wasn't mentioned, but Joss has done some great comics work as well (Astonishing X-Men, Fray, etc). I guess I'm saying that Joss has arguably contributed more to nerd culture than JJ, so extra points there from me!
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