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Face-Off: Loki vs. the Joker

08.07.2014by: Dave Davis
Last week's Face-Off column featured a pair of deep-space missions that turn horrific, and most of you agreed that SUNSHINE was a more satisfying trek into the cosmos than EVENT HORIZON.

This weekend has comic book half-shell heroes TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES facing off against their nemesis, the Shredder. Let's put another couple of well-known comic book movie villains against each other, Marvel's Loki (THOR, THE AVENGERS) and the Joker from THE DARK KNIGHT.

(Please note: Face Off is an opinion column. We're not using any actual science to prove or disprove anything. It's just for fun.)
ACTOR
Tom Hiddleston
Heath Ledger
GOALS
To rule (Asgard, New York, the planet, etc.)
To watch the world burn
Notable characteristics
-Cunning, arrogant, ambitious

-Wears finely crafted attire and polished armor

-Slicked-back hair, devilish grin
-Devious, psychotic, destructive

-Wears suits of purple and green

-Disheveled green hair, white face makeup, "Chelsea smile" scarring
PREFERRED WEAPONRY
Knives, illusions, a bladed alien scepter that can brainwash people and shoot devastating energy beams
Firearms, explosives, knives, a pencil
ADVERSARY
Thor, his virtuous half-brother and rival for the throne of Asgard
Batman, the crime-fighting Dark Knight of Gotham City
OTHER FOES
Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Odin, Heimdall, the Warriors Three, SHIELD and the Hulk
Gotham City Police Lieutenant Jim Gordon (who becomes Commissioner), district attorney Harvey Dent (who becomes Two-Face), various crime bosses and cops
ACTS OF VILLAINY
-Gets his half-brother Thor banished from Asgard and then deceives him into thinking his father Odin has died

-Dispatches the Destroyer to slay Thor on Earth

-Encases Heimdall in ice

-Double-crosses the Frost Giants and kills his birth father Laufrey

-Attempts to destroy the ice world of Jotunheim

-Indirectly causes the destruction of a secret SHIELD facility

-Brainwashes Hawkeye, Dr. Selvig and a bunch of random humans to do his bidding

-Kills dozens of Earth civilians

-Jams his scepter through Agent Coulson's chest

-Commands an army of alien invaders and attacks New York City

-Feigns his own death, only to later secretly remove his father Odin from Asgard's throne
-Robs a bank (and murders his cohorts)

-Promises to execute Gotham citizens until Batman exposes his true identity

-Disrupts an extravagant fund-raising event

-Demolishes a hospital

-Slaughters a considerable number of police

-Takes over the mob by wiping out all the crime bosses

-Throws Bruce Wayne's sweetie Rachel Dawes off a balcony (and then later blows her up)

-Burns a gigantic stack of money

-Plants bombs on two evacuation ferries and instructs each to detonate the other or both will explode
ORIGIN
Loki was a Frost Giant abandoned by his kind and adopted by Odin, who raised him as his son
Unknown (but he'll tell you some interesting stories about how he got his scars...)
DIRECTOR
THOR: Kenneth Branagh (DEAD AGAIN, MARY SHELLEY'S FRANKENSTEIN, HAMLET, MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING)

THE AVENGERS: Joss Whedon (SERENITY, MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING)

THOR - THE DARK WORLD: Alan Taylor ("Game of Thrones")
Christopher Nolan (MEMENTO, BATMAN BEGINS, THE PRESTIGE, INCEPTION, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES)
QUOTES
Thor: "You're a talented liar, brother. Always have been."
Loki: "It's good to have you back. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to destroy Jotunheim!"

-"Kneel before me. I said... KNEEL!!! Is not this simpler? Is this not your natural state? It's the unspoken truth of humanity, that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power, for identity. You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel."

-Thor: "The Earth is under MY protection, Loki!"
Loki: "And you're doing a marvelous job with that! The humans slaughter each other in droves, while you idly fret. I mean to rule them. And why should I not?"
Thor: "You think yourself above them?"
Loki: "Well, yes."

[to Black Widow]: "I won't touch Barton. Not until I make him kill you! Slowly, intimately, in every way he knows you fear! And then he'll wake just long enough to see his good work, and when he screams, I'll split his skull! This is MY bargain, you mewling quim!"

-"Malekith! I am Loki of Jotunheim, and I have brought you a gift! I only ask for one thing in return; a good seat from which to watch Asgard burn!"
-"I believe whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you... stranger."

-"If you're good at something, never do it for free."

-"Do you want to know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little emotions. You see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?"

-"Wanna know how I got these scars?"

-"Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it! You know, I just... DO things."

-"Let's put a SMILE on that face!"

-"See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve."

-"This city deserves a better class of criminal. And I'm gonna give it to them!"

-"Why so serious?"
AWARDS
MTV Movie Award for Best Villain (THE AVENGERS)
Academy Award and Golden Globe winner for Best Supporting Actor (posthumous)
LAST SEEN
Sitting on Asgard's throne in the guise of his adoptive father Odin
Dangling upside-down on the side of a building from Batman's grappling hook
THE JOKER
As a lifelong Marvel diehard, this was a tough call. I can't deny that Loki is tons of fun, thanks to Tom Hiddleston's lively scene-stealing delivery and the character's sharp tongue and playful duplicity. I appreciate that Marvel's heroes aren't strictly defined by their villains, but the Marvel movies do have a pretty shallow bench of antagonists and Loki is the only candidate for evil's MVP.

But Heath Ledger's version of the Clown Prince of Crime is truly a once-in-a-lifetime performance, a genuinely unique spin on the comic book supervillain that makes Jack Nicholson's portrayal of the character seem as campy as the Adam West TV series. I don't believe THE DARK KNIGHT itself deserves anywhere near the worship it receives from Batfans, but there's no arguing that Ledger's phenomenal Joker reinvention (his final role, sadly) set a high bar for bad guys in comic adaptations, effectively altering the general public's perception of the classic comic book character and creating what is one the most memorable villains in movie history.

Agree? Disagree? Which do you prefer?
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11:24PM on 08/07/2014

It's simple...

...Joker because he's truly a villain that you wouldn't mind seeing Batman kill, even though you know it'll never happen. Loki, on the other hand, is a likable villain who you'd want to see in many sequels. I love the character, no doubt, but The Joker is so evil that I literally wanted Batman to break his one rule. That's the mark of a true, unfiltered, classic as f*ck villain.
...Joker because he's truly a villain that you wouldn't mind seeing Batman kill, even though you know it'll never happen. Loki, on the other hand, is a likable villain who you'd want to see in many sequels. I love the character, no doubt, but The Joker is so evil that I literally wanted Batman to break his one rule. That's the mark of a true, unfiltered, classic as f*ck villain.
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3:03PM on 08/07/2014

Joker is a no brainer.

Even before you clicked on this article you knew who would win. You can try and justify Loki all you want but you knew it would be an unpopular and up hill fight. The Joker is more than just a character. He's a legend and a first round ballot to the villains Hall of Fame. Most importantly he's been the symbol of crazy and evil for a long long time. A lot longer than Loki. I don't know which character came out first as far as comics go but it doesn't matter. Until the movie Thor came out nobody
Even before you clicked on this article you knew who would win. You can try and justify Loki all you want but you knew it would be an unpopular and up hill fight. The Joker is more than just a character. He's a legend and a first round ballot to the villains Hall of Fame. Most importantly he's been the symbol of crazy and evil for a long long time. A lot longer than Loki. I don't know which character came out first as far as comics go but it doesn't matter. Until the movie Thor came out nobody really knew who Loki was except comic book readers. Everyone knows who the Joker is. Loki and the actor who plays him have done an amazing job. I love the character and the presence he's given him. But saying you're more infamous than the Joker (especially Heath Ledgers) is more insane the Joker.
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9:28PM on 08/07/2014
If you mean Loki from comics the joker came decades before Loki. If you mean Loki the Norse god then Loki came way before, like thousands of years. Loki is a name for the devil etc.
If you mean Loki from comics the joker came decades before Loki. If you mean Loki the Norse god then Loki came way before, like thousands of years. Loki is a name for the devil etc.
2:30PM on 08/07/2014

Joker

The pencil gag alone was reason enough. But NOT knowing his origin makes him far more interesting.
The pencil gag alone was reason enough. But NOT knowing his origin makes him far more interesting.
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12:59PM on 08/07/2014
This face off is really asking - who is the more interesting character.
I mean Loki is a galactic villain - he can kill legions of humans, and other alien life forms. His powers are tremendous - so obviously he is a better villain in the sense that he can do everything Joker can do, only on a larger scale.
Joker is more gruesome, and scarier for sure - but his villainy isn't at the same level as Loki.
Its like - Joker kills a family - and you feel horrible - what a terrible villain to kill a
This face off is really asking - who is the more interesting character.
I mean Loki is a galactic villain - he can kill legions of humans, and other alien life forms. His powers are tremendous - so obviously he is a better villain in the sense that he can do everything Joker can do, only on a larger scale.
Joker is more gruesome, and scarier for sure - but his villainy isn't at the same level as Loki.
Its like - Joker kills a family - and you feel horrible - what a terrible villain to kill a family. Yeah but Loki destroys worlds - so all families die! You don't see every single one of them die, so it seems less personal to you, but its still happening.
For the record Joker is a more interesting villain than Loki in my opinion.
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12:21PM on 08/07/2014

Joker

If both guys had a gun to my head I would feel like I could talk Loki out of not pulling the trigger. Joker would agree to not pull the trigger and then pull it.
If both guys had a gun to my head I would feel like I could talk Loki out of not pulling the trigger. Joker would agree to not pull the trigger and then pull it.
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11:56AM on 08/07/2014
Batman is a better adversary than Thor? Don't think so. Just like Superman, Thor will crush Batman in a second. But I am biased. I HATE the Nolan Batman movies and I love the Thor movies.
Batman is a better adversary than Thor? Don't think so. Just like Superman, Thor will crush Batman in a second. But I am biased. I HATE the Nolan Batman movies and I love the Thor movies.
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10:39AM on 08/07/2014
Have to go with Loki. Ledger is the third best Joker after Nicholson and Hamill. On that alone he loses. Plus, Loki tried to enslave Earth. Way cooler than causing a little chaos in one city.
Have to go with Loki. Ledger is the third best Joker after Nicholson and Hamill. On that alone he loses. Plus, Loki tried to enslave Earth. Way cooler than causing a little chaos in one city.
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3:30AM on 08/08/2014
The Joker was ORIGINALLY written as a psychopathic killer. Did you not read that I said that???
The Joker was ORIGINALLY written as a psychopathic killer. Did you not read that I said that???
5:57PM on 08/07/2014
Um Ledgers Joker is not more like the comic than Nicholson. Jack had the flamboyance, recklessness, and his plans really didn't make much sense most of the time. Just like the comic. Ledgers Joker is just a psychopath in clown makeup. Not like the comic character. Nicholson wasn't completely similar either but closer.
Um Ledgers Joker is not more like the comic than Nicholson. Jack had the flamboyance, recklessness, and his plans really didn't make much sense most of the time. Just like the comic. Ledgers Joker is just a psychopath in clown makeup. Not like the comic character. Nicholson wasn't completely similar either but closer.
4:57PM on 08/07/2014
Nicholson just played himself, but acted silly. Ledger took it to a whole new level and played The Joker as he was originally written in the comics.
Nicholson just played himself, but acted silly. Ledger took it to a whole new level and played The Joker as he was originally written in the comics.
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10:28AM on 08/07/2014

Even if it was Nicholson's JOKER...

... I'd still pick him. He's the epitome of evil. LOKI has a tragic back story and an undestandable motivation. That and the fact that he allied temporarily with THOR in THE DARK WORLD mean that he could easily get a redemption eventually.

By the way, Heath also won the MTV Movie Award for Best Villain.
... I'd still pick him. He's the epitome of evil. LOKI has a tragic back story and an undestandable motivation. That and the fact that he allied temporarily with THOR in THE DARK WORLD mean that he could easily get a redemption eventually.

By the way, Heath also won the MTV Movie Award for Best Villain.
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10:22AM on 08/07/2014

Good outcome but...

"To rule" vs. "To watch the world burn"?... Sorry but the later is 100x cooler than the first. The Joker is not even a villain, he's just so fucked up he only wants to see the world burn even if he has to die with it. He even burns his pile of money, that's litteraly the most disturbing and unpredictable villain move I've ever seen. Even Palpatine would be scared of him. How can you even compare Ledger's Joker to anybody else?! And who the fuck is Loki anyway?
"To rule" vs. "To watch the world burn"?... Sorry but the later is 100x cooler than the first. The Joker is not even a villain, he's just so fucked up he only wants to see the world burn even if he has to die with it. He even burns his pile of money, that's litteraly the most disturbing and unpredictable villain move I've ever seen. Even Palpatine would be scared of him. How can you even compare Ledger's Joker to anybody else?! And who the fuck is Loki anyway?
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9:56AM on 08/07/2014
If this were a comparison of how the actor played their role, Heath Ledger hands down would win. As far as the characters as villains go I would say the edge goes to Loki considering that character made it through more than one film.
If this were a comparison of how the actor played their role, Heath Ledger hands down would win. As far as the characters as villains go I would say the edge goes to Loki considering that character made it through more than one film.
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3:44PM on 08/07/2014
"What are you dopes talking about? Did you guys even read the charts? Loki's checklist is from 3 movies, Joker's is from 1."

When did I say Loki wasn't in 3 or that he was in less than 3???
"What are you dopes talking about? Did you guys even read the charts? Loki's checklist is from 3 movies, Joker's is from 1."

When did I say Loki wasn't in 3 or that he was in less than 3???
12:56PM on 08/07/2014
What are you dopes talking about? Did you guys even read the charts? Loki's checklist is from 3 movies, Joker's is from 1.
What are you dopes talking about? Did you guys even read the charts? Loki's checklist is from 3 movies, Joker's is from 1.
10:50AM on 08/07/2014
My dear Apricot 1, that is one retarded thing to say. If you were less than 5 years old when The Dark Knight came than you are excused and have my apologies.
My dear Apricot 1, that is one retarded thing to say. If you were less than 5 years old when The Dark Knight came than you are excused and have my apologies.
10:36AM on 08/07/2014
Yes, Ledger's Joker was only in one film, but that was for obvious reasons, so that's kind of a poor argument.
Yes, Ledger's Joker was only in one film, but that was for obvious reasons, so that's kind of a poor argument.
9:17AM on 08/07/2014
These articles always seem tailor made to lead the writer's chosen horse to victory at the finish line. I'm honestly surprised there wasn't a category for best clown makeup.
These articles always seem tailor made to lead the writer's chosen horse to victory at the finish line. I'm honestly surprised there wasn't a category for best clown makeup.
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8:45AM on 08/07/2014
While I agree with the outcome, it seems like a no brainer. Should've picked a better villian to put the Joker up against, considering the Thor movies are the worst of the modern comic book movie, and most of the first wave in the early to mid 2000's. (Pre Iron Man) Loki is so lame, and as good as the Avengers was he kind of was a bitch in it. Why not Joker (Dark Knight) vs. Joker (Batman), or Joker (Mark Hamil/ Animated). The Joker in Under the Red Hood was a better villain the frickin Loki.
While I agree with the outcome, it seems like a no brainer. Should've picked a better villian to put the Joker up against, considering the Thor movies are the worst of the modern comic book movie, and most of the first wave in the early to mid 2000's. (Pre Iron Man) Loki is so lame, and as good as the Avengers was he kind of was a bitch in it. Why not Joker (Dark Knight) vs. Joker (Batman), or Joker (Mark Hamil/ Animated). The Joker in Under the Red Hood was a better villain the frickin Loki.
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10:57AM on 08/07/2014
100% agree. Avengers was the 1st and last Marvel film I've watched mostly because of that lame ass character. A villain is supposed to SCARE you, if you were scared by Loki you're either 5 years old or have a serious problem.
100% agree. Avengers was the 1st and last Marvel film I've watched mostly because of that lame ass character. A villain is supposed to SCARE you, if you were scared by Loki you're either 5 years old or have a serious problem.
9:15AM on 08/07/2014
That's the problem of course, there is no villain on par with the Joker in the comic book world, he's the top guy.
That's the problem of course, there is no villain on par with the Joker in the comic book world, he's the top guy.
8:43AM on 08/07/2014

I want my villains to be BAD

Ledger's joker easily wins. Loki is great, but every so often you see a little good in him. Like after his mother died in Thor 2. The Joker in TDK is downright scary, because he could and would do anything for his chaos. Very unpredictable.
Ledger's joker easily wins. Loki is great, but every so often you see a little good in him. Like after his mother died in Thor 2. The Joker in TDK is downright scary, because he could and would do anything for his chaos. Very unpredictable.
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8:30AM on 08/07/2014
Even for fun, these have gotten worse and worse. The chosen subjects haven't even been comparable or parallel in hardly any way. These things can be fun - batman vs iron man, Supes vs Hulk, or Thor. But the categories don't even make sense - adversary? Acts of villainy? Is Batman (and ilu Bats, and not a Thor fan) a better adversary than Thor? I'm not even sure what that means. Personally, I would choose to face Batman over Thor every time. I can take a broken arm. I imagine I'm done
Even for fun, these have gotten worse and worse. The chosen subjects haven't even been comparable or parallel in hardly any way. These things can be fun - batman vs iron man, Supes vs Hulk, or Thor. But the categories don't even make sense - adversary? Acts of villainy? Is Batman (and ilu Bats, and not a Thor fan) a better adversary than Thor? I'm not even sure what that means. Personally, I would choose to face Batman over Thor every time. I can take a broken arm. I imagine I'm done for if I get hit with the hammer or lightning. Acts of villainy? Loki tried to take over the world with aliens? Hard to top that. These aren't even making fundamental sense. I know it's not Loki fighting Joker in this, but i can't even conceptually understand the arguments, it's inconsistent. Like I said, these can, and have been fun, but sho haven't been.
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8:03AM on 08/07/2014
Even for fun, these have gotten worse and worse. The chosen subjects haven't even been comparable or parallel in hardly any way. These things can be fun - batman vs iron man, Supes vs Hulk, or Thor. But the categories don't even make sense - adversary? Acts of villainy? Is Batman (and ilu Bats, and not a Thor fan) a better adversary than Thor? I'm not even sure what that means. Personally, I would choose to face Batman over Thor every time. I can take a broken arm. I imagine I'm done
Even for fun, these have gotten worse and worse. The chosen subjects haven't even been comparable or parallel in hardly any way. These things can be fun - batman vs iron man, Supes vs Hulk, or Thor. But the categories don't even make sense - adversary? Acts of villainy? Is Batman (and ilu Bats, and not a Thor fan) a better adversary than Thor? I'm not even sure what that means. Personally, I would choose to face Batman over Thor every time. I can take a broken arm. I imagine I'm done for if I get hit with the hammer or lightning. Acts of villainy? Loki tried to take over the world with aliens? Hard to top that. These aren't even making fundamental sense. I know it's not Loki fighting Joker in this, but i can't even conceptually understand the arguments, it's inconsistent. Like I said, these can, and have been fun, but sho haven't been.
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8:00AM on 08/07/2014

Loki

Easily Loki. As much as I thought Ledger's performance as the Joker was amazing, I just enjoy the character of Loki more, and what Tom Hiddleston has brought to the table more with the character.

And personally, I've always enjoyed Nicholson's performance more as the Joker then I did with Ledger.
Easily Loki. As much as I thought Ledger's performance as the Joker was amazing, I just enjoy the character of Loki more, and what Tom Hiddleston has brought to the table more with the character.

And personally, I've always enjoyed Nicholson's performance more as the Joker then I did with Ledger.
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7:47AM on 08/07/2014
Ledger's Joker is probably (one of) the best villains in the last decade or so. So many writers and filmmakers still don't realise that a great hero doesn't mean shit if he/she doesn't have a great villain to battle.
The only other villain of recent times that stuck with me was Bardem's Silva from Skyfall. His entrance alone is so fucking suave, only to be trumped by the Joker's entrance in TDK. Tadaaa!!!
I'd like to hear some other picks too.
Ledger's Joker is probably (one of) the best villains in the last decade or so. So many writers and filmmakers still don't realise that a great hero doesn't mean shit if he/she doesn't have a great villain to battle.
The only other villain of recent times that stuck with me was Bardem's Silva from Skyfall. His entrance alone is so fucking suave, only to be trumped by the Joker's entrance in TDK. Tadaaa!!!
I'd like to hear some other picks too.
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1:17PM on 08/07/2014
Oh hell yeah. Chigurh would easily be in the top 5.
Oh hell yeah. Chigurh would easily be in the top 5.
12:15PM on 08/07/2014
I would have said Bardem's Anton Chigur as the next best villain behind Ledger's Joker, which he won an Oscar for a year before Ledger did.
I would have said Bardem's Anton Chigur as the next best villain behind Ledger's Joker, which he won an Oscar for a year before Ledger did.
7:16AM on 08/07/2014
Difficult choice !
First of all, I'm more Marvel than DC.
Then, I'm not that much of a fan of Nolan's Batman films (for me his best Batflick was BATMAN BEGINS, and the one ever is BATMAN RETURNS).
I think LOKI, here, is a far more complex character, even though Ledger's JOKER was, indeed, an astonishing performance...
Did his death 'improved' it subconsciously for us, I don't know, but, in the end, against all odds, I have to agree with you on the result !
Difficult choice !
First of all, I'm more Marvel than DC.
Then, I'm not that much of a fan of Nolan's Batman films (for me his best Batflick was BATMAN BEGINS, and the one ever is BATMAN RETURNS).
I think LOKI, here, is a far more complex character, even though Ledger's JOKER was, indeed, an astonishing performance...
Did his death 'improved' it subconsciously for us, I don't know, but, in the end, against all odds, I have to agree with you on the result !
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2:53PM on 08/07/2014
Batman Returns is one of the best comic book films of all time.
Batman Returns is one of the best comic book films of all time.
5:59AM on 08/07/2014

Joker

This is like asking a parent too pick their favorite child..
This is like asking a parent too pick their favorite child..
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2:20AM on 08/07/2014
Well that was easy.
Well that was easy.
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1:40AM on 08/07/2014

I'll go Joker....

....but only because he had a simpler part. He had only one motivation.....to create chaos, and fulfilled that brilliantly. However, there was no character arc, no backstory, and nothing to make you more interested in him. He was simply a force of nature, and in that way was able to be a terrifying monster.

Loki is a far deeper character that required much more proficient acting to fully portray. He never displayed the kind of malevolence that Ledger did (with even Coulson pointing out
....but only because he had a simpler part. He had only one motivation.....to create chaos, and fulfilled that brilliantly. However, there was no character arc, no backstory, and nothing to make you more interested in him. He was simply a force of nature, and in that way was able to be a terrifying monster.

Loki is a far deeper character that required much more proficient acting to fully portray. He never displayed the kind of malevolence that Ledger did (with even Coulson pointing out he lacked conviction). In their push to make him a fully-formed villain, they made you like him (at least a little), which made him more relateable and less frightening.
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11:52AM on 08/07/2014
Do you even realize how pathetic you are? You're all over this thread swearing and calling everyone else "children".......you're arguing about comic book characters.

I'm sorry your family suffered from inbreeding, but it's really not our responsibility. Go see a professional and get the help you need.
Do you even realize how pathetic you are? You're all over this thread swearing and calling everyone else "children".......you're arguing about comic book characters.

I'm sorry your family suffered from inbreeding, but it's really not our responsibility. Go see a professional and get the help you need.
10:46AM on 08/07/2014
The Joker having no background is the WHOLE POINT. He just appears, creates chaos and leaves. The mistery surrounding him is the key to his character. He loves Batman for being a freak like him and for challenging him since he seems to enjoy pain. The other "villain" is just some 90s cliché goth whiny teen who looks like he was in a gay pride on his planet before being catapulted to Earth (btw I love the gay pride but it's just not really threatening. Actually it's already more badass than
The Joker having no background is the WHOLE POINT. He just appears, creates chaos and leaves. The mistery surrounding him is the key to his character. He loves Batman for being a freak like him and for challenging him since he seems to enjoy pain. The other "villain" is just some 90s cliché goth whiny teen who looks like he was in a gay pride on his planet before being catapulted to Earth (btw I love the gay pride but it's just not really threatening. Actually it's already more badass than that guy). How can anyone even like this stupid ass character!? Fucking nerds these days man... they love any crap that's being shoved down their throats.
1:24AM on 08/07/2014
The Joker for me. He's more intimidating and way more unpredictable than Loki.
The Joker for me. He's more intimidating and way more unpredictable than Loki.
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1:18AM on 08/07/2014
I have a Batman bias, so the Joker. They are different characters - the Joker is a freewheeling, anarchic psychopath and Loki is a megalomaniacal woobie, a potential tyrant who could do with a hug. Both have their appeal but one could argue that Loki's characterisation as portrayed by Tom Hiddleston is more conducive to fangirls.
I have a Batman bias, so the Joker. They are different characters - the Joker is a freewheeling, anarchic psychopath and Loki is a megalomaniacal woobie, a potential tyrant who could do with a hug. Both have their appeal but one could argue that Loki's characterisation as portrayed by Tom Hiddleston is more conducive to fangirls.
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