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Face-Off: Spider-Man 2 vs. X-Men 2

06.28.2012by: Paul Huffman
In last weeks Pixar-centric Face Off, Mr. Incredible pulled out a close victory over Buzz Lightyear. Give us that sequel, Pixar peeps!

In keeping up with the sites anticipation for The Amazing Spider-Man, this weeks Face Off we're gonna see what I understand to be the most beloved of the original Spider-Man trilogy up against another sequel that many view as one of the best comic book movies thus far in Spider-Man 2 vs. X-Men 2. Both these sequels matched the quality of their predecessors if not surpassed them. Both of their spots on a lot of peoples top ten comic flick lists are well deserved, but which one tops the other?
Story
Peter Parker continues his life of great web-slinging responsibility as he is forced to battle a new foe in Doctor Octopus as he also struggles with his love life and his best friends fall from grace. Pretty straightforward with a similar formula we saw used in the first film with a medical experiment gone awry, but hey the sh*t works. Our villain is more engaging and sympathetic this time around, and the developing brotherly rivalry between Peter and Harry Osborn was great to see, have always been into a story of two friends destined to become enemies.
X2's story pulled from the 1982 graphic novel God Loves, Man Kills. Mutant hater Colonel William Stryker is on a mission to eradicate those dastardly mutants, needless to say they don't appreciate that very much. Wolverine and the rest of Professor X's 'precious X-Men' find themselves in a reluctant alliance with Magneto and his Brotherhood of Mutants to settle this little dispute. It's no secret you can link the theme of X-Men to very present and relevant real life prejudices, which makes for a powerful story. That fight for rights and survival against a common enemy was front and center here, and it was kick ass.
Action
Once sh*t hit the sh*t with Doc Ock and Spidey it was a treat to the eyes. From there debut battle in the middle of a bank robbery, to that wonderful train sequence (including Spidey's corny method of saving the damn thing), all the way to their final battle the action was engaging. Special points go to the debut of Doctor Octopuses robotic arms in a badass scene, dude meant business.
The action was plentiful in this sequel, sure enough. It's wonderful seeing the powers these people have in effect, but it's much more wonderful seeing Wolverine get pissed. The invasion of the school was short and sweet, but Wolverines protective rage was a thing of beauty. From there we get Pyro's decimation of some squad cars and the money shot being Wolverine's tango with Lady Deathstrike. When it comes down to it, X2 had a lot of breathers of thematic plot driven dialogue but when it gave us the goods it delivered.
Villain
Okay look, an experiment Otto Octavius dedicates his life too goes to hell in a big bad way and he loses his awesome wife in the process...the fact that the guy went a little bit nuts is a little justifiable. Alfred Molina played the sympathetic villain to a T in this movie. Almost to the point you want to tell Spidey (our hero mind you) to just stay out of the poor schmucks way. Doc Ock was always one of my favorite villains in the comics and he was translated to live action beautifully, loved seeing those tentacles at work.
William Stryker was one mean son of a bitch, and I love me a villain that is so delusional in his beliefs that he believes what he's doing is for the better as far as humanity is concerned every step of the way. Brian Cox nailed the conviction of this character wonderfully, you could really feel his hatred for mutants in every line, and his admiration for what he created with Wolverine was a wonderful little contradiction and it added more depth. Bottom line, there is something scary about somebody like Stryker with so much blind, unflinching hatred for something he doesn't understand. Think there's not people really out in the world like this? Think again.
Cast
Tobey Maguire. Kirsten Dunst. James Franco. JK Simmons. Alfred Molina.

The only new addition in this list of names is Alfred Molina and as stated above he really pulled his weight. JK Simmons once again brought much appreciated comic relief as J. Jonah Jameson, and I should note that I was very into James Franco's performance here. His descent and conflicting emotions were wonderful and when he made that inevitable discovery, he sold the heartbreak beautifully. Tobey and Kirsten did what they came to do great, the third movie is a whole other story.
Hugh Jackman. Patrick Stewart. Ian McKellen. Halle Berry. James Marsden. Famke Janssen. Anna Paquin. Rebecca Romijn-Stamos. Alan Cumming.

An excellent, all star lineup here folks. Unfortunately a few of these stars went underused (looking at you James Marsden, sorry bud) and Halle Berry didn't really have much to do. Nevertheless, all involved brought their A game, expecially Hugh Jackman, Brian Cox, and Ian McKellen, sir Ian just seemed to be once again having a blast with the role.
Critical Reception
Spider-Man 2 seemed to become a critics wet dream, with an overall 93% approval rating. Critics for Chicago Tribune and LA Times both praised Alfred Molina's turn as Doc Ock, and Roger Ebert called this film the best superhero film since the original Richard Donner Superman film. Can you get higher praise? Sam Raimi knocked this one out of the park and pretty much universally everyone, critics and fans alike knew it.
X-Men 2 was right on Spidey's coat tails with an approval rating of 88%. Roger Ebert discredited the film with not living up to its potential and suffering from a plot hole or two, but praised Singers ability to incorporate an ensemble of characters to near perfection. Agreed Rog. The LA times deemed it better than the original, while Rolling Stone praised Hugh Jackman's performance and took the time to admire the thematic elements of the film as a whole. Rotten Tomatoes has a spot on its list for X2 as the fifth greatest comic book film of all time.
Overall
Spider-Man 2 accomplished everything that a comic book movie sequel, in theory, is supposed to accomplish. It raised the stakes, it elevated the action, it gave us a a bigger badder villain, and it continued the evolution of the characters we grew attached to. The cast was at their best in this film, with my favorite aspect of it all coming down to the great dynamic between Peter Parker and his friend Harry Osborn, they pulled that off so well that the climax of that particular story had me aching for the third. The fact that this film is praised by critics and fans alike is no fluke, and it still stands today as one of my favorite comic book films to date.
Take great characters, mixed with thematic elements I can get behind, and you have a recipe for success. Which is just what this movie was, a success. It pulled off everything I just praised Spidey 2 for. Sure, some of the characters I wish would have gotten a bit more love, but what can you do when you have so many to work with? When all was said and done with this, it had hands down the best segway into a third film I've ever seen. Professor X's speech to the president at the end was a thing of beauty, and don't get me started on the Phoenix tease. The fact that Brett Ratner came along and f*cked it up isn't X2's fault.
Spider-Man 2
It's ironic that the verdict went this way considering the upcoming release of the new film, you may be thinking. The best way I can put my opinion is this, Spider-Man 2 had everything I loved about X2 as well with a faster more action packed pace. It packed story with action with a perfect blend and that's what has made it a classic in my eyes. But that's just the writers opinion, time to hit my spidey loving ass with yours!

If you have an idea that you'd like to see in a future FACE OFF column, feel free to shoot an email to me at paulhuffman@joblo.com with your ideas and some ideas for the critique to base your ideas off. Thank you and in the meantime...

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1:21AM on 06/29/2012
Both movies were great but man oh man SOOOO many scenes of Peter sulking with Aunt May just make it such a loooong re-watch. X2 just races along, and it had those parts that just blew my mind, like Magneto's jailbreak.
Love the train scene in Spidey 2 though.
Both movies were great but man oh man SOOOO many scenes of Peter sulking with Aunt May just make it such a loooong re-watch. X2 just races along, and it had those parts that just blew my mind, like Magneto's jailbreak.
Love the train scene in Spidey 2 though.
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7:48PM on 06/28/2012

Barf

Both movies sucked and could have been so much better. Plot holes and crappy rehashing of of the previous movies story, poor movie making these too.
Both movies sucked and could have been so much better. Plot holes and crappy rehashing of of the previous movies story, poor movie making these too.
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7:35PM on 06/28/2012
X-Men 2 is #3 on my favorite comic book films, Spider-man 2 is #4. X2 gets the win. The fact that Singer managed to give each character their due in this film still amazes me, and it remains the best x-men film by far.
X-Men 2 is #3 on my favorite comic book films, Spider-man 2 is #4. X2 gets the win. The fact that Singer managed to give each character their due in this film still amazes me, and it remains the best x-men film by far.
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6:15PM on 06/28/2012

Love 'em both..w/ X2 juuust a bit better (in my opinion) but...

...I think we can ALL agree about how much (after the awesome storyline X2 set-up) X-Men 3: The Last Stand sucked!
...I think we can ALL agree about how much (after the awesome storyline X2 set-up) X-Men 3: The Last Stand sucked!
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5:42PM on 06/28/2012

X2 Without a doubt

Look the first two spidey movies were amazing the first time I saw them. I still remember my young mind being blown by the first movie and walking out of Spidey 2 I literally wanted to become a superhero. However both those movies are better remembered than when re-watched. The more I watch them the more I cringe at moments that I used to think were cool. It just becomes very corny on re-watches.

On the other hand the first two Xmen movies are still amazing everytime I watch them. The first
Look the first two spidey movies were amazing the first time I saw them. I still remember my young mind being blown by the first movie and walking out of Spidey 2 I literally wanted to become a superhero. However both those movies are better remembered than when re-watched. The more I watch them the more I cringe at moments that I used to think were cool. It just becomes very corny on re-watches.

On the other hand the first two Xmen movies are still amazing everytime I watch them. The first movie wasn't perfect but I hold a very fond memory seeing it. I was so into this movie as a kid. i remember tracking down every single action figure from it. I always loved the Xmen (90's cartoon yo!) but something about the first movie just hit me in the right spot. X2 might be one of the best sequels ever made. It took every mistake from the first and erased them while cranking the awesome up to 100. The White House attack with Nightcrawler might be my favorite opening scene ever. The movie grabbed me by the balls with that first scene and never let them go till the end. For awhile I feared something would be lost whenever I re-watched this but that isn't the case. I still feel giddy like a kid inside everytime I watch the first two films (Lets not talk about the third, its far too painful). Everytime I watch them I'm reminded how awesome they are unlike with Spidey.

OKAY! Lets talk about the third. How badly did they fack up the Phoenix story!!!! I've never been so excited in a theater as when I saw the fiery phoenix outline in the water at the end of X2. My mind went wild with how they would tackle that storyline. I knew it would be so awesome. Then Singer left and the rest is, unfortunately, history.
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3:59PM on 06/29/2012
Different strokes, my friend, for different folks ahahahahah. Like I said I had a very fond memory of seeing the first xmen which helps me to enjoy it more than most people do. The teenage me still wants to like the spidey films but I just can't do it.
Different strokes, my friend, for different folks ahahahahah. Like I said I had a very fond memory of seeing the first xmen which helps me to enjoy it more than most people do. The teenage me still wants to like the spidey films but I just can't do it.
6:52PM on 06/28/2012
Funny, I feel the opposite. The first two X-Men films were awesome when I first saw them, but now, I can barely watch them. The first two Spidey films still hold up very well for me.
Funny, I feel the opposite. The first two X-Men films were awesome when I first saw them, but now, I can barely watch them. The first two Spidey films still hold up very well for me.
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4:25PM on 06/28/2012

X2

I disagree. While both films are great, I definitely think X2 has held better with time. It starts off strong with an incredible action scene courtesy of Nightcrawler, every mutant gets their moment to shine (even though some barely get any such as Cyclops and Rogue), and has perhaps the best cliffhanger of any comic book movie (that was ruined in X3). Spider-Man 2 to me is hurt by the awful mid section of the film once Peter decides to abandon the suit! ITS SO BORING! It drags on forever! From
I disagree. While both films are great, I definitely think X2 has held better with time. It starts off strong with an incredible action scene courtesy of Nightcrawler, every mutant gets their moment to shine (even though some barely get any such as Cyclops and Rogue), and has perhaps the best cliffhanger of any comic book movie (that was ruined in X3). Spider-Man 2 to me is hurt by the awful mid section of the film once Peter decides to abandon the suit! ITS SO BORING! It drags on forever! From the moment he dumps the suit to the moment where he fights Doc Ock its absolutely wasted and I'm not saying I'm not fond of exposition. Kirsten Dunst is still a pain to endure as Mary Jane and its just not as good as X2 plain and simple.
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2:28PM on 06/28/2012

X2 for sure

SPIDER-MAN 2 is a piece of shit, even worse than SPIDER-MAN 3. Maguire is still awful, Franco is still awful, and the film wants you to feel sympathy for a villain, yet it never develops him enough to the point where he actually deserves our sympathy. X2, on the other hand, is a kick-ass flick.
SPIDER-MAN 2 is a piece of shit, even worse than SPIDER-MAN 3. Maguire is still awful, Franco is still awful, and the film wants you to feel sympathy for a villain, yet it never develops him enough to the point where he actually deserves our sympathy. X2, on the other hand, is a kick-ass flick.
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11:47AM on 06/28/2012

X2

Very tough call, but I have to go with X2. Loved everything about it and the emotional aspects of the ending with Jean Grey and the image of the Phoenix in the water made X3 my most anticipated movie - I got choked up with Scott and Logan, and still do. I am still pissed off about Last Stand as we all kind of thought what to expect in the follow-up - oh how wrong we were.
Very tough call, but I have to go with X2. Loved everything about it and the emotional aspects of the ending with Jean Grey and the image of the Phoenix in the water made X3 my most anticipated movie - I got choked up with Scott and Logan, and still do. I am still pissed off about Last Stand as we all kind of thought what to expect in the follow-up - oh how wrong we were.
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11:25AM on 06/28/2012
Still two of the top five adaptation films of all-time. These are the pinnacle of the non-Marvel Studio films and still hold up well to this day.
Still two of the top five adaptation films of all-time. These are the pinnacle of the non-Marvel Studio films and still hold up well to this day.
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11:14AM on 06/28/2012

X2

Love both but X2 is superior.
Love both but X2 is superior.
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10:48AM on 06/28/2012

X2

I loved both of these films when they both came out, but there's a reason the only one I own and continue to watch is X2. Watching Jackman play Wolverine is much more fun and full of badassery than watching Maguire mope around. Doc Ock was a lot of fun, and delivered the goods in the action scenes but Stryker had blind hatred on his side, and that was more interesting for me.

Then there was the Nightcrawler intro. I still can't name many scenes that were more ridiculously cool to see on
I loved both of these films when they both came out, but there's a reason the only one I own and continue to watch is X2. Watching Jackman play Wolverine is much more fun and full of badassery than watching Maguire mope around. Doc Ock was a lot of fun, and delivered the goods in the action scenes but Stryker had blind hatred on his side, and that was more interesting for me.

Then there was the Nightcrawler intro. I still can't name many scenes that were more ridiculously cool to see on screen.
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10:37AM on 06/28/2012
X2, hands down. Perfect ending that left you wanting more.
X2, hands down. Perfect ending that left you wanting more.
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9:27AM on 06/28/2012
X2 gets the edge for two reasons: Nightcrawler opening scene and Wolverine raging out in Mansion attack.
X2 gets the edge for two reasons: Nightcrawler opening scene and Wolverine raging out in Mansion attack.
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8:45AM on 06/28/2012

Both of them my favorite...

but in the end its always X2, if only because it has Hugh Jackman as Wolverine at his BEST with what he does: breaking & tearing bad guys away with batshit crazyness! Not to mention this is the flick which delved in the past of Wolverine giving us many answers and also juggled the overwhelming number of mutants perfectly, with each and everyone has his/her moment under the spotlight . I love Spiderman 2 almost equally for its perfect balance between loud superhero action & quiet emotional
but in the end its always X2, if only because it has Hugh Jackman as Wolverine at his BEST with what he does: breaking & tearing bad guys away with batshit crazyness! Not to mention this is the flick which delved in the past of Wolverine giving us many answers and also juggled the overwhelming number of mutants perfectly, with each and everyone has his/her moment under the spotlight . I love Spiderman 2 almost equally for its perfect balance between loud superhero action & quiet emotional turmoils, but have to say, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine ALWAYS trumps Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man (Don't get me wrong, he's GREAT as Spidey, but he's just no Jackman).
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8:37AM on 06/28/2012
Tough one. I enjoyed the hell out of both, own both on DVD, and look forward to a viewing of both. I'm gonna go with X2 just because I like the way the story and plot unfolds, especially towards the end.
Tough one. I enjoyed the hell out of both, own both on DVD, and look forward to a viewing of both. I'm gonna go with X2 just because I like the way the story and plot unfolds, especially towards the end.
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8:29AM on 06/28/2012
I'd give this one a tie. Because for both trilogies, Spider-Man 2 and X-Men 2 are the best of the bunch.
I'd give this one a tie. Because for both trilogies, Spider-Man 2 and X-Men 2 are the best of the bunch.
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8:24AM on 06/28/2012

X2

X2 is definitely better than Spidey 2. I'll take a bunch of mutants over nerdy Peter Parker any day.
X2 is definitely better than Spidey 2. I'll take a bunch of mutants over nerdy Peter Parker any day.
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7:45AM on 06/28/2012
Definitely X2, mostly because I hate Spiderman 2
Definitely X2, mostly because I hate Spiderman 2
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7:32AM on 06/28/2012

Spider-Man 2,Most Assuredly

It's no contest for me, "Spider-Man 2" kicks the ever loving crap out of "X-Men 2". Partially, while I liked the first two X-Men films at the time, I feel they haven't aged all that well. This one is still the best, but has one too many plotholes, and doesn't give it's impressive array of characters enough to do, for my tastes. "Spidey 2" amps up the stakes, has a fantastic villain, and when he stops being Spider-Man, it's a wonderful give/take situation. In every conceivable way, "Spider-Man
It's no contest for me, "Spider-Man 2" kicks the ever loving crap out of "X-Men 2". Partially, while I liked the first two X-Men films at the time, I feel they haven't aged all that well. This one is still the best, but has one too many plotholes, and doesn't give it's impressive array of characters enough to do, for my tastes. "Spidey 2" amps up the stakes, has a fantastic villain, and when he stops being Spider-Man, it's a wonderful give/take situation. In every conceivable way, "Spider-Man 2" wins here. It also handily bets the god awful Nolan Batman movies.
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7:10AM on 06/28/2012
X2 is a much more engaging and better story by far over Spidey 2.
X2 is a much more engaging and better story by far over Spidey 2.
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4:14AM on 06/28/2012

One for X2

Both of these films are of equally high quality and there is not much to choose between them. Spidey wins on the villain for me, loved Molina as Ock, but I just never had much love for Maguire as Parker in this trilogy - he just didnt seem right or really into it (personally think Garfield is a much better fit).

Whereas X2 has a phenomenal and faultless cast with incredible performances all round. So I give this one to X2. Probably the closest of these face-offs for me though.

...the
Both of these films are of equally high quality and there is not much to choose between them. Spidey wins on the villain for me, loved Molina as Ock, but I just never had much love for Maguire as Parker in this trilogy - he just didnt seem right or really into it (personally think Garfield is a much better fit).

Whereas X2 has a phenomenal and faultless cast with incredible performances all round. So I give this one to X2. Probably the closest of these face-offs for me though.

...the endings of both movies had me so pumped for their respective 3rd films. Such a pity they couldn't follow through.
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4:00AM on 06/28/2012
I've gotta go with X-Men 2 if I'm forced to choose, but really X-2, Spidey 2, The Dark Knight and The Avengers are all tied as my favorite super hero flicks.
I've gotta go with X-Men 2 if I'm forced to choose, but really X-2, Spidey 2, The Dark Knight and The Avengers are all tied as my favorite super hero flicks.
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3:22AM on 06/28/2012

T&A ?

At least X2 had better T&A than spiderman 2...even pyro got a glimpse at anna's paquinns...and Kelly Hu? ...Smokin....
At least X2 had better T&A than spiderman 2...even pyro got a glimpse at anna's paquinns...and Kelly Hu? ...Smokin....
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3:20AM on 06/28/2012

T&A ?

At least X2 had better T&A than spiderman 2...even pyro got a glimpse at anna's paquinns...and Kelly Hu? ...Smokin....
At least X2 had better T&A than spiderman 2...even pyro got a glimpse at anna's paquinns...and Kelly Hu? ...Smokin....
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3:19AM on 06/28/2012

T&A ?

At least X2 had better T&A than spiderman 2...even pyro got a glimpse at anna's paquinns...and Kelly Hu? ...Smokin....
At least X2 had better T&A than spiderman 2...even pyro got a glimpse at anna's paquinns...and Kelly Hu? ...Smokin....
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3:15AM on 06/28/2012
This is a very tough one. You've made a good case for each of the categories, but for me it's a tie. I agree with phillalva77 about both franchises having less-than-stellar third installments that killed their respective series and resulted in sorta-kinda reboots. I would also give X2 the slighter edge, because it dealt with the social issues associated with the X-Men franchise very well while offering some straight-up amazing action sequences. The opening with Nightcrawler infiltrating the
This is a very tough one. You've made a good case for each of the categories, but for me it's a tie. I agree with phillalva77 about both franchises having less-than-stellar third installments that killed their respective series and resulted in sorta-kinda reboots. I would also give X2 the slighter edge, because it dealt with the social issues associated with the X-Men franchise very well while offering some straight-up amazing action sequences. The opening with Nightcrawler infiltrating the White House is probably a classic superhero movie action sequence now.
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3:08AM on 06/28/2012
So you're telling me that the story, villain AND cast mean nothing compared to action and critical reception? I call shenanigans!
So you're telling me that the story, villain AND cast mean nothing compared to action and critical reception? I call shenanigans!
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1:55AM on 06/28/2012

No contest for me.

X2 is superior in every way.
X2 is superior in every way.
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1:47AM on 06/28/2012
Oh shit this is a tough one for me, because both franchises have had lackluster 3rd movies & have both been somewhat rebooted. Spider-Man 2 was amazing & so was X2 & both had great villians in Doc Ock & William Stryker so this one is quite the toss up. While X-Men First Class redeemed the franchise in a positive way, I think the bad buzz the new Spidey movie is getting give the X_men the slighter edge. These are 2 very popular franchises & cherished by fanboys & i am more forgiving about how
Oh shit this is a tough one for me, because both franchises have had lackluster 3rd movies & have both been somewhat rebooted. Spider-Man 2 was amazing & so was X2 & both had great villians in Doc Ock & William Stryker so this one is quite the toss up. While X-Men First Class redeemed the franchise in a positive way, I think the bad buzz the new Spidey movie is getting give the X_men the slighter edge. These are 2 very popular franchises & cherished by fanboys & i am more forgiving about how they handled X_men than Spider-Man, i feel they gave up on Spidey way too easily.
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9:05PM on 06/28/2012
How does negative response from fans who have not seen the film supersede the positive reviews from those who have? I certainly would not trust the opinions of fans who are reacting based on bias and not on actual knowledge. Maybe the buzz would change after fans actually saw the movie.
How does negative response from fans who have not seen the film supersede the positive reviews from those who have? I certainly would not trust the opinions of fans who are reacting based on bias and not on actual knowledge. Maybe the buzz would change after fans actually saw the movie.
5:59PM on 06/28/2012
Well sources, how about this entire site & positive movie reviews don't really matter, so ya fan input matter the most IMO.
Well sources, how about this entire site & positive movie reviews don't really matter, so ya fan input matter the most IMO.
10:44AM on 06/28/2012
I've been reading mostly good reviews about the new Spiderman ... If by negative buzz, you mean fans whining about restarting and complaining about tweaks to the suit, then, I say ... get over it.
I've been reading mostly good reviews about the new Spiderman ... If by negative buzz, you mean fans whining about restarting and complaining about tweaks to the suit, then, I say ... get over it.
7:01AM on 06/28/2012
The new Spidey isn't getting bad buzz, most critics are giving it positive reviews. You have any sources to back that statement up?
The new Spidey isn't getting bad buzz, most critics are giving it positive reviews. You have any sources to back that statement up?
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