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Gary Oldman is not convinced by Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice

Jul. 14, 2014by: Graham McMorrow

While getting an interview with Gary Oldman these days might be comparable to talking to your drunken uncle about how things used to be, sometimes the great actor speaks with clarity and sound reasoning. While chatting to Yahoo, Oldman, who played Commissioner Gordon in Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy, sounded skeptical about Zack Snyder's upcoming BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE.

“They want to keep it going. Of course they do. But, it’s Superman yeah? Batman and Superman together? We shall see.”

He talked about how grounded Nolan’s work was in comparison to what might be:

“The thing about Nolan, there was some grounding of reality to it. In our trilogy, and as fantastical and as big as The Joker was, it was based [on reality]...we could relate to it.” “But now we’ve got a Batman and we’ve got a guy who can fly who’s an alien?! We’ll have to see...” “It’s got big shoes to fill”.

So it doesn't sound like Oldman is too convinced that the Bat and Superman can fly together. Almost half the people I talk to sound the same I must say. Yet, we really have nothing to go by yet besides casting, just our own hopes and dreams for this movie. I think it’s really hard to imagine Superman and Batman sharing the screen together because the last time that happened for a lot of us, it was with the use of our action figures and imagination. I can’t tell you how many times I got my sister to hold up Superman while I flew right into his stupid face via The Batwing.

I will admit though, I think he’s right about the reality to all of this. I still can’t picture how these two icons will interact or even work together against a common enemy. It really boggles my mind and makes me nervous for failure. You can catch Oldman now in DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES and see if he was right all along when BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE hits May 6, 2016.

What do you guys think about what Oldman said?

Source: Yahoo UK

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4:18PM on 07/15/2014

Nolan's movies were great and interesting...

But I am sooooo tired of people talking about the realism. It's a guy who dresses up as a bat and runs around on rooftops...there's nothing realistic about that. Batman is NOT realistic. Comic books are NOT realistic. Nor should they be. It's entertainment. FUN! There's nothing wrong with taking the source material seriously, but the fantastical elements should be embraced, not avoided.
But I am sooooo tired of people talking about the realism. It's a guy who dresses up as a bat and runs around on rooftops...there's nothing realistic about that. Batman is NOT realistic. Comic books are NOT realistic. Nor should they be. It's entertainment. FUN! There's nothing wrong with taking the source material seriously, but the fantastical elements should be embraced, not avoided.
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4:55PM on 07/15/2014
When he says realistic, he implies that they are as realistic as they can get. Obviously they're not realistic. Everyone is well aware. As he says, they are grounded, we can relate to them easier. And he's right. Batman is a heck of a lot more relatable than Superman.
When he says realistic, he implies that they are as realistic as they can get. Obviously they're not realistic. Everyone is well aware. As he says, they are grounded, we can relate to them easier. And he's right. Batman is a heck of a lot more relatable than Superman.
7:04PM on 07/16/2014
well said
well said
2:10PM on 07/15/2014
It's a valid point. But you have to think, the Justice League has been going on for decades. In the comics, writers continuously find ways to make Batman and Superman working together work. What this means is that the Snyder and WB need to get themselves away from the mindset that superhero films need to be based in reality. I know it was started with Nolan and it worked really well for Batman solo adventures, but if they want to make a DCMU work, they need to fully embrace their comic book
It's a valid point. But you have to think, the Justice League has been going on for decades. In the comics, writers continuously find ways to make Batman and Superman working together work. What this means is that the Snyder and WB need to get themselves away from the mindset that superhero films need to be based in reality. I know it was started with Nolan and it worked really well for Batman solo adventures, but if they want to make a DCMU work, they need to fully embrace their comic book roots. Have Batman with all the crazy gadgets, have him face off against "out there" villains like Mr. Freeze. Just get into it, forget all this nonsense about superheroes being grounded in reality.
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12:40PM on 07/15/2014
Seriously, what is the point of this article? At this point in time, no one is "convinced" of anything regarding BvS because we haven't seen shit. A couple of pictures is all we have to go on. Oldman's skeptical, as we are all!
Seriously, what is the point of this article? At this point in time, no one is "convinced" of anything regarding BvS because we haven't seen shit. A couple of pictures is all we have to go on. Oldman's skeptical, as we are all!
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12:28PM on 07/15/2014
Oh please.....these characters are based on comic books for gods sake! The source material isn't based on reality. I really love the Nolan movies but unfortunately they have brought in people who don't have any respect for the comics, they act as if the movies are the authority. And unfortunately the majority of these people jumped on the band wagon because of Heaths death. They are closed minded and not true fans of these characters.
Oh please.....these characters are based on comic books for gods sake! The source material isn't based on reality. I really love the Nolan movies but unfortunately they have brought in people who don't have any respect for the comics, they act as if the movies are the authority. And unfortunately the majority of these people jumped on the band wagon because of Heaths death. They are closed minded and not true fans of these characters.
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11:45AM on 07/15/2014

Exactly!

...I don't care this is one of fanboys' wet dreams, this is something I never wanted to happen, because it's stupid and everytime the project failed I sighed with relief, but in the end is happening so we shall see. It might be fun, but smart or serious, I don't think so
...I don't care this is one of fanboys' wet dreams, this is something I never wanted to happen, because it's stupid and everytime the project failed I sighed with relief, but in the end is happening so we shall see. It might be fun, but smart or serious, I don't think so
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10:27AM on 07/15/2014
Exactly my thoughts. I hope they somehow pull it off, but these two characters NEVER made sense together. In terms of being iconic of course, they're probably the two most popular superheroes ever, with Spider-Man in 3rd... but them collaborating or interacting? It always seemed forced and corny to me. They're quite literally exact opposites, Batman fights serial killers and terrorists with his detective skills and basic human hand to hand combat, Superman fights aliens, superhumans, etc. with
Exactly my thoughts. I hope they somehow pull it off, but these two characters NEVER made sense together. In terms of being iconic of course, they're probably the two most popular superheroes ever, with Spider-Man in 3rd... but them collaborating or interacting? It always seemed forced and corny to me. They're quite literally exact opposites, Batman fights serial killers and terrorists with his detective skills and basic human hand to hand combat, Superman fights aliens, superhumans, etc. with his plethora of crazy superpowers, never mind his invincibility. Everytime I see them trying to make a battle between Supes and Batman intense I just laugh. Superman kills Batman with one punch and there isn't even any arguing that. So yeah, very skeptical. It'll just seem dumb if Batman actually 'holds his own' against Superman and they go toe to toe. I'm really hoping this means something else, not just 'versus' like a fight... at the same time though, WB must be thinking 'people are gonna be either pissed or not give a shit if their versus is them in a courtroom or something...' Batman just shouldn't be in this world, this Justice League world. Some may say that's blasphemous being fans of the JL for so long and all of its history, but he's the one character that doesn't fit at all... we'll see.
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9:16AM on 07/15/2014
It seems like a lot of these joblo articles simply agree with whatever the subject is talking about.

"Almost half the people I talk to sound the same I must say." Almost half? That means they're in the minority then.

We really just need to wait for footage to start being critics. This isn't the grounded in reality Dark Knight trilogy, it's going to be something else and from all signs it looks like it will actually be kind of, dare I say, fun?
It seems like a lot of these joblo articles simply agree with whatever the subject is talking about.

"Almost half the people I talk to sound the same I must say." Almost half? That means they're in the minority then.

We really just need to wait for footage to start being critics. This isn't the grounded in reality Dark Knight trilogy, it's going to be something else and from all signs it looks like it will actually be kind of, dare I say, fun?
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8:16AM on 07/15/2014
I don't begrudge Gary Oldman the right to say what's on his mind, and he's entitled to an opinion on a film that he was involved in a previous version of, but there's nothing unusual about Batman and Superman interacting and personally I can't wait to see Batman and Superman in the same film - there's so many ways they can go about doing this and you'll never please everyone, but I'm glad they're trying to do this at last.
I don't begrudge Gary Oldman the right to say what's on his mind, and he's entitled to an opinion on a film that he was involved in a previous version of, but there's nothing unusual about Batman and Superman interacting and personally I can't wait to see Batman and Superman in the same film - there's so many ways they can go about doing this and you'll never please everyone, but I'm glad they're trying to do this at last.
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7:49AM on 07/15/2014
He sounds bitter. We've seen Thor fight beside Black Widow and it worked. Black Widows skills are by all means human while Thor is a god and flies around as such. Just saying we have seen it before by no means am I comparing Black Widow to Batman. I am however saying that this is not a concern for me because exactly what he is complaining about I have seen on screen and it was great. Give Zack some type of credit.
He sounds bitter. We've seen Thor fight beside Black Widow and it worked. Black Widows skills are by all means human while Thor is a god and flies around as such. Just saying we have seen it before by no means am I comparing Black Widow to Batman. I am however saying that this is not a concern for me because exactly what he is complaining about I have seen on screen and it was great. Give Zack some type of credit.
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6:35AM on 07/15/2014
1. Man of Steel was terrible.
2. See 1.
1. Man of Steel was terrible.
2. See 1.
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7:13PM on 07/15/2014
Man of Steel was terrible? In what way? I thought it was pretty dang good.
Man of Steel was terrible? In what way? I thought it was pretty dang good.
5:46AM on 07/15/2014

Nolan's left such a lasting impression on me

I'll still see it but you have to throw out the previous trilogy and that's gonna be very hard for me to do given the short time span of the new incarnation. If they would've tied it in kinda like the first Ironman, which was more reality based but the did a marvelous job of opening Stark's eyes to the otherworldly in the following films, then I could see getting on board more but alas, it is what it is. I wonder if it will still go head 2 head with Cap 3 as well?
I'll still see it but you have to throw out the previous trilogy and that's gonna be very hard for me to do given the short time span of the new incarnation. If they would've tied it in kinda like the first Ironman, which was more reality based but the did a marvelous job of opening Stark's eyes to the otherworldly in the following films, then I could see getting on board more but alas, it is what it is. I wonder if it will still go head 2 head with Cap 3 as well?
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4:27AM on 07/15/2014
Batman Vs. Superman does have a very large shoe to fill. People expect a lot from it and it better delivers.
Batman Vs. Superman does have a very large shoe to fill. People expect a lot from it and it better delivers.
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2:05AM on 07/15/2014
These movies don't have to be realistic to be good. Thor's success proves that. Hell, even the Dark Knight Trilogy wasn't THAT realistic. A lot of it was plausible, but most of that shit would never happen.
These movies don't have to be realistic to be good. Thor's success proves that. Hell, even the Dark Knight Trilogy wasn't THAT realistic. A lot of it was plausible, but most of that shit would never happen.
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11:13PM on 07/14/2014
Eh, it doesn't matter. Gary Oldman can say whatever he wants, it's not like he's verbally attacking the film, he's merely voicing his doubts - and let's face it, so many here on the strike backs have done a lot more that merely voice our doubts. He's not in this one, so he really doesn't have to worry. I do wonder however who would be Oldman's personal pick to succeed him in the role of Commish Gordon.
Eh, it doesn't matter. Gary Oldman can say whatever he wants, it's not like he's verbally attacking the film, he's merely voicing his doubts - and let's face it, so many here on the strike backs have done a lot more that merely voice our doubts. He's not in this one, so he really doesn't have to worry. I do wonder however who would be Oldman's personal pick to succeed him in the role of Commish Gordon.
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11:10PM on 07/14/2014

ENOUGH. COMICS AREN'T REAL!!!! lol seriously.

THESE ARE COMIC BOOK - FICTIONAL. INSANELY fictional characters. Nolan did the entire DC comic universe a grave disservice by grounded one of the most fantastic creations of the comic era in a completely realistic (my bat mobile is a tank) universe. Yes. They were amazing movies. But they were movies about a guy who dressed as a bat not a hero who could overlook the protection of the planet from a fortress orbiting the earth. LOL and now we have freaking punks saying things like "Batman could
THESE ARE COMIC BOOK - FICTIONAL. INSANELY fictional characters. Nolan did the entire DC comic universe a grave disservice by grounded one of the most fantastic creations of the comic era in a completely realistic (my bat mobile is a tank) universe. Yes. They were amazing movies. But they were movies about a guy who dressed as a bat not a hero who could overlook the protection of the planet from a fortress orbiting the earth. LOL and now we have freaking punks saying things like "Batman could never exist in a universe with an alien" no of course not... they've only existed in each others universe, and directly interacted with each other FOR 40 freaking years!!!!! Ahhhhhhhh #DarkKnightSyndrome
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10:51PM on 07/14/2014

How are people comparing the realism of theses two movies???

One is about an alien from outer space who looks human but has super powers and is here to fight crime. The other is about apes who evolve into more advanced versions of themselves to become the dominant species on the planet. Hmm one sounds familiar. Look in the mirror, it's called evolution!! Lord have mercy....
One is about an alien from outer space who looks human but has super powers and is here to fight crime. The other is about apes who evolve into more advanced versions of themselves to become the dominant species on the planet. Hmm one sounds familiar. Look in the mirror, it's called evolution!! Lord have mercy....
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10:41PM on 07/14/2014

Sooooo

We can have a movie with an alien god, a monster, a super soldier, a guy who has a suit of armor light years beyond what we have today, and two spies who stop an alien invasion from another universe thats happening thanks to a portal above new york with a small cube that has unlimited power.....but batman and superman together?? NO WAY CAN THAT WORK....smh
We can have a movie with an alien god, a monster, a super soldier, a guy who has a suit of armor light years beyond what we have today, and two spies who stop an alien invasion from another universe thats happening thanks to a portal above new york with a small cube that has unlimited power.....but batman and superman together?? NO WAY CAN THAT WORK....smh
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10:37PM on 07/14/2014
"The reality of it? C'mon Oldman! Your in a movie that has a monkey riding horseback, firing a machine gun".

One has nothing do with the other. He's talking about the Batman story and BVS. You're talking about a completely unrelated movie you think is unrealistic so as if to say he's hypocritical.
"The reality of it? C'mon Oldman! Your in a movie that has a monkey riding horseback, firing a machine gun".

One has nothing do with the other. He's talking about the Batman story and BVS. You're talking about a completely unrelated movie you think is unrealistic so as if to say he's hypocritical.
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10:25PM on 07/14/2014
Like what moonrider said below...Batman is living in Superman's world, so because of that, this new franchise doesn't have to rely on or has to focus on being realistic as Nolan's was. The difficult part is over work establishing Superman. Having Batman join in the universe will be easy.

And I'm surprised Oldman is saying this because like Stevemoto said below, he's starring in a film where Apes take over the world and can talk, ride horses, shoot guns, etc.
Like what moonrider said below...Batman is living in Superman's world, so because of that, this new franchise doesn't have to rely on or has to focus on being realistic as Nolan's was. The difficult part is over work establishing Superman. Having Batman join in the universe will be easy.

And I'm surprised Oldman is saying this because like Stevemoto said below, he's starring in a film where Apes take over the world and can talk, ride horses, shoot guns, etc.
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10:21PM on 07/14/2014
"Yet, we really have nothing to go by yet"

Sure we do. It was called Man of Steel and it was terrible.

"Yet, we really have nothing to go by yet"

Sure we do. It was called Man of Steel and it was terrible.

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10:20PM on 07/14/2014
"While getting an interview with Gary Oldman these days might be comparable to talking to your drunken uncle about how things used to be, sometimes the great actor speaks with clarity and sound reasoning."

Am I the only one who takes offense to that?
"While getting an interview with Gary Oldman these days might be comparable to talking to your drunken uncle about how things used to be, sometimes the great actor speaks with clarity and sound reasoning."

Am I the only one who takes offense to that?
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10:10PM on 07/14/2014
The reality of it? C'mon Oldman! Your in a movie that has a monkey riding horseback, firing a machine gun.
The reality of it? C'mon Oldman! Your in a movie that has a monkey riding horseback, firing a machine gun.
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10:03PM on 07/14/2014
It's a fantasy movie. It doesn't have to be real.
It's a fantasy movie. It doesn't have to be real.
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10:00PM on 07/14/2014
It will be a Batman who is living in Superman's world, not vice versa. If we can believe that an alien from another planet is hiding among the humans, we can believe a grown man dressing up as a bat is fighting criminals every night.
It will be a Batman who is living in Superman's world, not vice versa. If we can believe that an alien from another planet is hiding among the humans, we can believe a grown man dressing up as a bat is fighting criminals every night.
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10:00PM on 07/14/2014
People need to stop whining and when trailers hit, either watch it or don't, and if you watch it, form your OWN opinion and that is that. I'm looking forward to it, but doesn't mean I will like the end result nor does it mean I won't love it. You can't judge something that barely has teaser pics floating around. Judging the concept seems stupid when the execution is what matters.
People need to stop whining and when trailers hit, either watch it or don't, and if you watch it, form your OWN opinion and that is that. I'm looking forward to it, but doesn't mean I will like the end result nor does it mean I won't love it. You can't judge something that barely has teaser pics floating around. Judging the concept seems stupid when the execution is what matters.
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9:57PM on 07/14/2014
It doesn't have to be "ground in reality". This franchise is it's own thing. Why can't people accept that. Given, Nolan's franchise was spectacular. But this isn't Nolan's franchise. Accept it. Let it be.
It doesn't have to be "ground in reality". This franchise is it's own thing. Why can't people accept that. Given, Nolan's franchise was spectacular. But this isn't Nolan's franchise. Accept it. Let it be.
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