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Geoff Johns says DC's movie and television universes won't crossover

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IGN is reporting while at a panel for The CW's The Flash at the Television Critics Association press tour, DC Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns revealed their movies and television projects won't crossover, and exist in separate universes.

It's a separate universe than film so that the filmmakers can tell the story that's best for film, while we explore something different in a different corner of the DC universe...We will not be integrating the film and television universes.

Geoff Johns was also asked if there might one day be two versions of the Justice League, with one on the big screen and one on the small.

You'll see a lot of DC universe characters [on The Flash and Arrow]. You won't see Batman or Superman. We're on production on Batman V Superman now. So you'll see characters like The Atom or Firestorm, but no not Batman or Superman right now [on TV].

In addition, Geoff Johns says the next DC character he'd like to bring to life is Shazam, however it's not clear if he meant with a movie or a television series.

CW president Mark Pedowitz was also at the panel, and he says Wonder Woman could still end up on television besides appearing in BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, but will only do it if they "get the right script."

SDCC will begin later this week, where we will likely be learning more about DC's plans for their movies and television series. Are you disappointed their film and TV projects won't crossover, or are you happy they will exist in separate universes? And what do you think DC should do with Shazam? Sound off below!

DC's BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE will be released on May 6, 2016.

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3:14AM on 05/21/2015

Idiotic

Comic Book Pride has only gotten in the way of success. Look I'm fine with not including them at first, but don't cast someone in their place. Hopefully (if it is not fixed before then, which I'm betting it will) the Flash's alternate reality capabilities will open it up to rectifying it's mistake.
Comic Book Pride has only gotten in the way of success. Look I'm fine with not including them at first, but don't cast someone in their place. Hopefully (if it is not fixed before then, which I'm betting it will) the Flash's alternate reality capabilities will open it up to rectifying it's mistake.
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3:57PM on 07/23/2014
that's because we don't let C level actors appearing in B level shows that run on D level networks appear in our A level movies. Got that?
that's because we don't let C level actors appearing in B level shows that run on D level networks appear in our A level movies. Got that?
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3:24AM on 05/21/2015
You do realize the DC TV Universe extends beyond the CW to CBS and Fox? As far as your ratings of the shows according to the actual TV ratings DC shows are the top superhero shows on the market (above Agents of Sheild) "A level movies" implies there's been more than one. There hasn't. Man of Steel stands alone in the cinematic universe as of now. AND IMDB rated it a 7.2/10 and metascore gave it a 55/100. TV is the only thing REALLY working for DC right now, so why not give them a bigger stage
You do realize the DC TV Universe extends beyond the CW to CBS and Fox? As far as your ratings of the shows according to the actual TV ratings DC shows are the top superhero shows on the market (above Agents of Sheild) "A level movies" implies there's been more than one. There hasn't. Man of Steel stands alone in the cinematic universe as of now. AND IMDB rated it a 7.2/10 and metascore gave it a 55/100. TV is the only thing REALLY working for DC right now, so why not give them a bigger stage to shine. Get your facts right
3:51AM on 07/23/2014

Stupid move

2 Quicksilvers is bad enough on Marvels part, and not being able to put Spidey and Wolverine in the Avengers stinks. But Warner/DC has the opportunity to NOT confuse/anger the fanbase and cross-promote all mediums. Granted, Green Arrow is not an A-lister, but Flash has been integral to pretty much every DC story line in the last 40 years. They should rethink this, as they could come up from behind on Marvel/Disney and have a complete understandable universe.
2 Quicksilvers is bad enough on Marvels part, and not being able to put Spidey and Wolverine in the Avengers stinks. But Warner/DC has the opportunity to NOT confuse/anger the fanbase and cross-promote all mediums. Granted, Green Arrow is not an A-lister, but Flash has been integral to pretty much every DC story line in the last 40 years. They should rethink this, as they could come up from behind on Marvel/Disney and have a complete understandable universe.
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9:19PM on 07/21/2014
People really overestimate how popular Arrow is. Go look at tv ratings for a season, and Arrow is not high on the list. I personally don't know anyone who watches it, and it seems geared more towards the fanboy community. As opposed to superhero movies, which have more popularity with the general public. Of the people who would pay to see Batman vs. Superman in theaters, I'm guessing maybe 10% watch Arrow, if that. No need to push for a tie in when most the audience wouldn't get it.
People really overestimate how popular Arrow is. Go look at tv ratings for a season, and Arrow is not high on the list. I personally don't know anyone who watches it, and it seems geared more towards the fanboy community. As opposed to superhero movies, which have more popularity with the general public. Of the people who would pay to see Batman vs. Superman in theaters, I'm guessing maybe 10% watch Arrow, if that. No need to push for a tie in when most the audience wouldn't get it.
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4:19AM on 07/22/2014
I despise your comment!
Unfortunately, you are probably right lol!!
I despise your comment!
Unfortunately, you are probably right lol!!
8:25PM on 07/21/2014
I'm okay with this. Not everyone can do a Joss Whedon and get away with it. Agents of SHIELD only picked up the pace after the Winter Soldier crossover after all. They couldn't do the story escalation sooner because of their ties with the cinematic universe. It's a double edged sword that DC Universe should be better without.
I'm okay with this. Not everyone can do a Joss Whedon and get away with it. Agents of SHIELD only picked up the pace after the Winter Soldier crossover after all. They couldn't do the story escalation sooner because of their ties with the cinematic universe. It's a double edged sword that DC Universe should be better without.
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7:22PM on 07/21/2014
The four images side by side at the top...they look good. The Arrow...or the Flash...don't look out of place. Surely, that's an indication that they should crossover. I'm okay with the Arrow staying out of the planned JL movie...but why can't they be in the same universe? Given the low profile choice in Wonder Woman for the cinematic universe...it would possibly be "easy" to get her to lead her own future TV show. I think this is a mistake...and further proof of how disjointed WB's
The four images side by side at the top...they look good. The Arrow...or the Flash...don't look out of place. Surely, that's an indication that they should crossover. I'm okay with the Arrow staying out of the planned JL movie...but why can't they be in the same universe? Given the low profile choice in Wonder Woman for the cinematic universe...it would possibly be "easy" to get her to lead her own future TV show. I think this is a mistake...and further proof of how disjointed WB's planning is....especially when their DC television universe so far is doing so well in general...and compared to Marvel's (albeit Netflix efforts might totally change that).
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4:49PM on 07/21/2014
It's a great decision. The showrunners can focus on whatever story they want to tell for their audience, without being forced to consult the filmmakers, and the filmmakers have the opportunity to tell their story, cast better actors than the ones playing those characters on TV and finally not being affiliated with a cheaply done product.

Everyone wins. I have no idea why people wnat them to join those universes. Just because the TV show has made "A version" of a character, it doesn't mean
It's a great decision. The showrunners can focus on whatever story they want to tell for their audience, without being forced to consult the filmmakers, and the filmmakers have the opportunity to tell their story, cast better actors than the ones playing those characters on TV and finally not being affiliated with a cheaply done product.

Everyone wins. I have no idea why people wnat them to join those universes. Just because the TV show has made "A version" of a character, it doesn't mean you have to use it. The filmmakers still have the freedom to make a better version of that character.
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4:30PM on 07/21/2014

Won't crossover…..yet

I'm sure that Geoff isn't about to draw the TV and Film universes together definitively until they are sure the TV universe is a success. Why saddle the film directors with actors if their own TV shows failed. That's a lot of unnecessary baggage to deal with in the unlikely outcome if say, The Flash doesn't win audiences over. Now myself - I think these shows will be a big win, and in 2 years time - we'll hear that they are adding the pertinent characters to the Film universe where they can.
I'm sure that Geoff isn't about to draw the TV and Film universes together definitively until they are sure the TV universe is a success. Why saddle the film directors with actors if their own TV shows failed. That's a lot of unnecessary baggage to deal with in the unlikely outcome if say, The Flash doesn't win audiences over. Now myself - I think these shows will be a big win, and in 2 years time - we'll hear that they are adding the pertinent characters to the Film universe where they can.
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3:28PM on 07/21/2014
I was hoping for at least Stephen Amell joining the film cast, but now it's debunked. Oh well.
I was hoping for at least Stephen Amell joining the film cast, but now it's debunked. Oh well.
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3:23PM on 07/21/2014

So stupid...

Warner Bros. just continues to show it's short-sightedness and antiquated way of doing business.
Warner Bros. just continues to show it's short-sightedness and antiquated way of doing business.
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3:16PM on 07/21/2014
This is bad. I love the Arrow TV series and I am really looking forward to The Flash. Man of Steel was decent in it's own way but coming off that movie to Batman V Superman, I'm not totally invested. I am however completely invested in Arrow. This decision in all honesty has killed about 80% of my interested in the coming Justice League series.
This is bad. I love the Arrow TV series and I am really looking forward to The Flash. Man of Steel was decent in it's own way but coming off that movie to Batman V Superman, I'm not totally invested. I am however completely invested in Arrow. This decision in all honesty has killed about 80% of my interested in the coming Justice League series.
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12:45PM on 07/21/2014

Wow, this is a bad idea

ARROW has clearly done very well for DC. Think about that already-developed audience; think about how they'd react if that character hit the big screen, either in a movie or as part of the JLA. That's money in the bank DC is losing out on with this policy.

I'm not expecting them to slavishly imitate Marvel's strategy, but they can definitely learn from it.
ARROW has clearly done very well for DC. Think about that already-developed audience; think about how they'd react if that character hit the big screen, either in a movie or as part of the JLA. That's money in the bank DC is losing out on with this policy.

I'm not expecting them to slavishly imitate Marvel's strategy, but they can definitely learn from it.
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12:28PM on 07/21/2014

WTF

Why does DC continue to shoot themselves in the foot!
Why does DC continue to shoot themselves in the foot!
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12:18PM on 07/21/2014
Well this is stupid... imagine, in a big JLA movie with Batman, Superman, WW, Aquaman, Green lantern (and also some villains) how much time are you going to give to someone like Arrow. It will be more like a cameo if it happens! so give us Amell a few minutes! I can buy a different FLASH, but c'on Amell is Arrow. Just give us a cameo of him in one of these movies, just that!
Well this is stupid... imagine, in a big JLA movie with Batman, Superman, WW, Aquaman, Green lantern (and also some villains) how much time are you going to give to someone like Arrow. It will be more like a cameo if it happens! so give us Amell a few minutes! I can buy a different FLASH, but c'on Amell is Arrow. Just give us a cameo of him in one of these movies, just that!
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11:45AM on 07/21/2014

so much for that potential

this is a bad move for DC, they're essentially forcing smaller characters to stay on tv. it might work for their animated films, but its confusing to mainstream non comic readers. while many complain about how Agents of SHIELD turned out, at least it keeps people interested and gets them into theaters because its one universe, non readers can remember that SHIELD went under because they saw Winter Soldier.
i just feel like this is a huge wasted opportunity for DC, i know they're trying to
this is a bad move for DC, they're essentially forcing smaller characters to stay on tv. it might work for their animated films, but its confusing to mainstream non comic readers. while many complain about how Agents of SHIELD turned out, at least it keeps people interested and gets them into theaters because its one universe, non readers can remember that SHIELD went under because they saw Winter Soldier.
i just feel like this is a huge wasted opportunity for DC, i know they're trying to carve their own movie universe, but the tracks are already laid for characters like Arrow and Flash, they can be explained in the movie versions with a few lines of dialog or a short backstory flashback. At the same time they can throw in callbacks to the fans of the shows.
i could be wrong, but i just feel like they're letting this one slip too easily. although the Justice League animated movies like Flashpoint, War, and Throne of Atlantis taking place in the same universe is a step in the right direction.
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11:28AM on 07/21/2014
Im ok with this, more disappointed that they can't use Batman and Superman for the TV universe though, dont get why not? Wouldve been awesome to have Brandon Routh as Superman on Arrow instead of someone mediocre like the Atom.
Im ok with this, more disappointed that they can't use Batman and Superman for the TV universe though, dont get why not? Wouldve been awesome to have Brandon Routh as Superman on Arrow instead of someone mediocre like the Atom.
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11:12AM on 07/21/2014

Disappointed

I would have liked to see Amell on the big screen as Arrow. I really enjoy his performance on the show. I can understand why, I guess, as some posters below have stated that it could get messy waiting for plot-lines but I still would have liked to see it. I'll just have to enjoy them separately.
I would have liked to see Amell on the big screen as Arrow. I really enjoy his performance on the show. I can understand why, I guess, as some posters below have stated that it could get messy waiting for plot-lines but I still would have liked to see it. I'll just have to enjoy them separately.
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10:32AM on 07/21/2014
THANK GOD! Part of what makes Arrow (and I am betting Flash) good is my ability to compartmentalize that they aren't definitive takes on the characters
THANK GOD! Part of what makes Arrow (and I am betting Flash) good is my ability to compartmentalize that they aren't definitive takes on the characters
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10:20AM on 07/21/2014
Iḿ ok with that. Agent of Shield is way too limited in what the producers can show on television because of the whole movie/tv connection and continuity. Here you can have 2 different plattforms to showcase the DC brand each in their own unique way.
Iḿ ok with that. Agent of Shield is way too limited in what the producers can show on television because of the whole movie/tv connection and continuity. Here you can have 2 different plattforms to showcase the DC brand each in their own unique way.
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10:06AM on 07/21/2014
DC: Crisis on Infinite Platforms
DC: Crisis on Infinite Platforms
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9:59AM on 07/21/2014

Only thing they could do

Arrow has already used many characters that could potentially be used by a movie franchise: Deathstroke, Deadshot, Solomon Grundy, Amanda Waller, Huntress, even a glimpse of Harley Quinn... Do we really want the movie universe to be handcuffed by casting and plot decisions that have already been made about so many characters? And do we really want Arrow producers to be forced to ask Zach Snyder and David Goyer every time they want to use a character?

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has already shown
Arrow has already used many characters that could potentially be used by a movie franchise: Deathstroke, Deadshot, Solomon Grundy, Amanda Waller, Huntress, even a glimpse of Harley Quinn... Do we really want the movie universe to be handcuffed by casting and plot decisions that have already been made about so many characters? And do we really want Arrow producers to be forced to ask Zach Snyder and David Goyer every time they want to use a character?

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has already shown the flaws in that kind of model by having to wait forever for that big event in Captain America 2 to happen for the show to really get going. While waiting, they saw their audience shrink every week and it's pretty far from the big hit ABC was hoping for.

Arrow, Flash and the movie franchises will succeed or fail on their own merit. That's a good thing.
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9:59AM on 07/21/2014
That's too bad. Would have liked to have seen Stephen Amell portray Green Arrow in a live action Justice League film since the guy just absolutely owns the role week after week on Arrow.

If not Amell for Green Arrow, I think Charlie Hunnam would make for a good Oliver Queen/Green Arrow for DC's Justice League film and for Flash, I would like to see Chris Pine.
That's too bad. Would have liked to have seen Stephen Amell portray Green Arrow in a live action Justice League film since the guy just absolutely owns the role week after week on Arrow.

If not Amell for Green Arrow, I think Charlie Hunnam would make for a good Oliver Queen/Green Arrow for DC's Justice League film and for Flash, I would like to see Chris Pine.
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1:13PM on 07/21/2014
awful casting.

faggot!
awful casting.

faggot!
10:12PM on 07/21/2014
Someone didn't take their meanie pills this morning.
Someone didn't take their meanie pills this morning.
10:53PM on 07/21/2014
you're SOOOO courageous " " !
You don't even have the balls to take a pseudonym.
So much easier to insult, hey ?!
BITCH !
you're SOOOO courageous " " !
You don't even have the balls to take a pseudonym.
So much easier to insult, hey ?!
BITCH !
11:34PM on 07/21/2014
Look, I find The_Soloist as horribly annoying as the next guy, but how is it that people have gotten banned for much less and this nameless guy hasn't been discovered yet? I know a guy who got banned just for pointing out someone's hypocrisy and never called anyone a disparaging word.
Look, I find The_Soloist as horribly annoying as the next guy, but how is it that people have gotten banned for much less and this nameless guy hasn't been discovered yet? I know a guy who got banned just for pointing out someone's hypocrisy and never called anyone a disparaging word.
9:57AM on 07/21/2014
Right now, Marvel has DC beat at the movies but DC is doing better on TV - even then, the Netflix shows are going to pose serious competition. Right now there are issues like will the Bruce Wayne on Gotham grow up to become BatFleck? Constantine, Gotham and Arrow/Flash can't co-exist in the same cintinuity, right? While I definitely would prefer a cohesive universe between both TV and movies, a "multiverse" approach *could* work if done properly.
Right now, Marvel has DC beat at the movies but DC is doing better on TV - even then, the Netflix shows are going to pose serious competition. Right now there are issues like will the Bruce Wayne on Gotham grow up to become BatFleck? Constantine, Gotham and Arrow/Flash can't co-exist in the same cintinuity, right? While I definitely would prefer a cohesive universe between both TV and movies, a "multiverse" approach *could* work if done properly.
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9:42AM on 07/21/2014

Wasted Opportunity

Arrow and Flash are secondary characters and wouldn't have much of an impact in the cinematic universe anyway. Why throw away the good work being done on Arrow (Stephen Amell has done a great job and really embraced the character) and hopefully Flash? Can you say free advertising for both sides? You think connecting TV and movie universes has hurt Marvel's Agents of Shield? Pretty sure it has done nothing but helped ratings. Another example of DC dropping the ball and not following a
Arrow and Flash are secondary characters and wouldn't have much of an impact in the cinematic universe anyway. Why throw away the good work being done on Arrow (Stephen Amell has done a great job and really embraced the character) and hopefully Flash? Can you say free advertising for both sides? You think connecting TV and movie universes has hurt Marvel's Agents of Shield? Pretty sure it has done nothing but helped ratings. Another example of DC dropping the ball and not following a proven formula sitting right in front of them.
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9:36AM on 07/21/2014
Boo, DC. I thought you're starting to make sense of what works and won't work. However, I'm glad DC's TV is shaping up real good. Now I do hope the new Flash series will be as good as Arrow.
Boo, DC. I thought you're starting to make sense of what works and won't work. However, I'm glad DC's TV is shaping up real good. Now I do hope the new Flash series will be as good as Arrow.
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9:29AM on 07/21/2014
And so DC continues its trend of failing at second what Marvel succeeded at first.
And so DC continues its trend of failing at second what Marvel succeeded at first.
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10:54AM on 07/21/2014
if you mean in the film department - then I agree.
if you mean in TV, Comics, and Animation - then no I don't agree.

Marvel wins in Silver/Bronze Age comics and current films. Other than that, DC rules it all.
if you mean in the film department - then I agree.
if you mean in TV, Comics, and Animation - then no I don't agree.

Marvel wins in Silver/Bronze Age comics and current films. Other than that, DC rules it all.
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