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George Lucas replacing puppet Yoda with CGI for Phantom Menace Blu-ray

Aug. 24, 2011by: Paul Tassi

George Lucas seems to be under the mistaken impression that CGI was invented as a sort of "white-out" for movies, where you can just go in and replace something that wasn't quite "right" with your original feature.

With the upcoming release of Star Wars on Blu-ray, it was to be expected that something would be getting a touch-up, and now we know what that shall be.

Apparently puppet Yoda just isn't good enough for THE PHANTOM MENACE, and he's been replacing by a fully CGI Yoda. When I first read the item, I thought that EVERY puppet Yoda across ALL the films was going to be replaced, but this is a somewhat less riotous decision.

Below you can see the comparison of the before and after of this replacement. I mean, CGI Yoda is alright, but why? Why is this in any way necessary? Somehow I find an emoting CGI creation even less likable than a relative static puppet, and I thought it was idiotic when he started hopping all around in ATTACK OF THE CLONES.

I guess we should be thankful that this appears to be the only major change he's making. But what will the 3D re-releases of the two trilogies have in store I wonder....



Extra Tidbit: I'm trying to think of CGI characters in live action movies I've actually liked. Only Caesar from PLANET OF THE APES is coming to mind.
Source: Slashfilm

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12:35AM on 04/27/2012
CGI sucks. The puppet was better and this crap is not the original version, the 1999 one is.
CGI sucks. The puppet was better and this crap is not the original version, the 1999 one is.
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11:10AM on 08/26/2011
This really isn't news. We have known about this literally for years. Fans have expected this, and we actually saw footage of the replacement before this announcement.
Rob Coleman on the AOTC DVD said they did this replacement in like 2000 to prove to George Yoda can be CG in AOTC.

Coleman went on to say he will never have any part in replacing puppet Yoda in the OT. He flat refuses to do it if he is asked. For the record, as far as we know publically, he hasn't been asked to do that. I
This really isn't news. We have known about this literally for years. Fans have expected this, and we actually saw footage of the replacement before this announcement.
Rob Coleman on the AOTC DVD said they did this replacement in like 2000 to prove to George Yoda can be CG in AOTC.

Coleman went on to say he will never have any part in replacing puppet Yoda in the OT. He flat refuses to do it if he is asked. For the record, as far as we know publically, he hasn't been asked to do that. I can't imagine why they'd want to. TPM puppet looked terrible in 1999, and so this change is certainly welcome.
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12:32AM on 04/27/2012
Actually the CGI version blows.
Actually the CGI version blows.
4:07PM on 08/25/2011
I'm glad they replaced the puppet Yoda with the CGI version; it looks a lot better.

...and damn there's a lot of hate for the prequels. I actually enjoy them as much as the originals and, while I can understand some resentment towards Eps 1 and 2, I will never get the hate for 3. I place it behind Empire as the best of the films.
I'm glad they replaced the puppet Yoda with the CGI version; it looks a lot better.

...and damn there's a lot of hate for the prequels. I actually enjoy them as much as the originals and, while I can understand some resentment towards Eps 1 and 2, I will never get the hate for 3. I place it behind Empire as the best of the films.
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12:11AM on 04/27/2012
stop saying CGI looks better. It sucks. The puppet is awesome.
stop saying CGI looks better. It sucks. The puppet is awesome.
3:31PM on 08/25/2011
That puppet in Phantom Menace looked terrible, so I'm very happy about the change to a CG Yoda.
That puppet in Phantom Menace looked terrible, so I'm very happy about the change to a CG Yoda.
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12:06AM on 04/27/2012
No it didn't. CGI sucks, puppets rule. And this isn't the proper version, the 1999 original is.
No it didn't. CGI sucks, puppets rule. And this isn't the proper version, the 1999 original is.
2:55PM on 08/25/2011

Why?

Why didn't he use the CGI Yoda to begin with? Half the movie was CG anyway. Guess he needed a reason to justify the price tag...
Why didn't he use the CGI Yoda to begin with? Half the movie was CG anyway. Guess he needed a reason to justify the price tag...
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8:50AM on 08/25/2011

Prequels Welcome a Reboot

We all know that the Star Wars prequels are a travesty and harm the mystique and quality of the original trilogy... and with the reboot craziness going on in Hollywood today I think it is time that Lucas allow a reboot of the prequels.
We also know that Lucas is a money whore and will lure fans into continually purchasing the same movies over and over by teasing us with a little tweak here and there. (See Steven Spielberg and the Close Encounters: Special Edition theatrical release aka "Rip
We all know that the Star Wars prequels are a travesty and harm the mystique and quality of the original trilogy... and with the reboot craziness going on in Hollywood today I think it is time that Lucas allow a reboot of the prequels.
We also know that Lucas is a money whore and will lure fans into continually purchasing the same movies over and over by teasing us with a little tweak here and there. (See Steven Spielberg and the Close Encounters: Special Edition theatrical release aka "Rip Off)
So why not hand the directorial reigns off to qualified directors in their particular genres and retell the stories from a) New perspectives...and b) by people who actually know how to direct actors.
First Reboot: Phantom Menace
Director: Steven Spielberg
Reason: Hell Lucas even brought him in to help "tweak" (read direct) portions of Revenge of the Sith.
If you really insist to have a 10-year-old Anakin why not have a director who gets believable and genuine performances out of children. And his affinity for broken families would lend itself to the separation of Anakin and his mother. Spielberg would work wonders developing a young, puppy love, burgeoning attraction (which was needed) and could make the Naboo situation actually feel dire so we CARE about what is happening.
Negative: A LOT of close up reaction shots.

Second Reboot: Attack of the Clones
Director: James Cameron
Reason: Who better to tell the story of two star-crossed lovers and their challenging relationship. The dialogue would be MUCH better and we would actually be rid of that horrible "kiss you it's like a scar" fireplace scene.
In addition the developed mystery of Syfo Dias and the cloning facility would have been better realized and potentially resolved...which it never was.
Negative: He would probably want to do it in 3D...but then again..the asteroid scene above Kamino would kick ass in 3D.

Third Reboot: Revenge of the Sith
Director: Peter Jackson
Reason: No one would be able to tell the story of the climax of the clone war and rise of the rebellion better than Jackson. Could you imagine the EPIC scale he would assign to such a film. When the film needed to be about 3 hours long anyway Jackson would not only hit the story out of the park, but his attention to detail and coherent story telling would eliminate the plot holes and help us segue more effectively into the Original Trilogy.
Negative: The opening battle would be incredibly long...but then again would that be so bad?

Lucas should just bite the bullet, swallow his pride and ego, and hand the reigns off to these new directors to see their take on his films.
Hell, He could still be a money whore, but not have to do nearly as much work.
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6:08AM on 08/25/2011
I just hope he doesn't get any ideas and do this in Empire and Jedi...
I just hope he doesn't get any ideas and do this in Empire and Jedi...
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5:56AM on 08/25/2011
As a former Star wars fan myself i agree these movies are total crap and need to die a slow death, the prequel trilogy killed it for me they are childish, sloppy directing of GGI and terrible dialogue! What once was a great legacy is now a pile of crap and i dont care if i ever own a copy of these ever again!!!!!!!
As a former Star wars fan myself i agree these movies are total crap and need to die a slow death, the prequel trilogy killed it for me they are childish, sloppy directing of GGI and terrible dialogue! What once was a great legacy is now a pile of crap and i dont care if i ever own a copy of these ever again!!!!!!!
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4:33AM on 08/25/2011
Instead of replacing Yoda the whole prequel trilogy should be replaced by something that is worth watching. As a former Star Wars fan I just want Lucas to take his BluRays and put em up.... ah, you'll get the idea.
Instead of replacing Yoda the whole prequel trilogy should be replaced by something that is worth watching. As a former Star Wars fan I just want Lucas to take his BluRays and put em up.... ah, you'll get the idea.
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5:52AM on 08/25/2011
Yeah shove them right up there with the rest of the shite!!!
Yeah shove them right up there with the rest of the shite!!!
4:19AM on 08/25/2011
I will say that I don't care much for this as it concerns the new trilogy. Which is just awful anyways.
But Mr. Lucas, one thing you should do, for all the fans of your movies (the people who made you all that money), you really should take this Blu-ray opportunity and release the movies the way they were originally made. I bet you ANYTHING you would sell more of those versions than the tweaked ones.
I will say that I don't care much for this as it concerns the new trilogy. Which is just awful anyways.
But Mr. Lucas, one thing you should do, for all the fans of your movies (the people who made you all that money), you really should take this Blu-ray opportunity and release the movies the way they were originally made. I bet you ANYTHING you would sell more of those versions than the tweaked ones.
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3:05AM on 08/25/2011

Lucas needs to find a hobby

Or focus on writing/directing something original rather than revisiting all his old films. Truly sad...
Or focus on writing/directing something original rather than revisiting all his old films. Truly sad...
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2:20AM on 08/25/2011
2/3 of Star Wars is absolute shit, so who cares.
2/3 of Star Wars is absolute shit, so who cares.
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5:57AM on 08/25/2011
TOO RIGHT!!
TOO RIGHT!!
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2:04AM on 08/25/2011

You nerds can't be trusted!

One minute it's CG sucks bah humbug. Lucas sticks with a puppet and you give him shit. He replaces it with cg he cops shit.
Move on.
Most clowns here would want hand drawn matte paintings and stop motion everything if given the chance.
Nostalga is a cruel mistress! She will twist your nips without warning and expect you to say thankyou.
One minute it's CG sucks bah humbug. Lucas sticks with a puppet and you give him shit. He replaces it with cg he cops shit.
Move on.
Most clowns here would want hand drawn matte paintings and stop motion everything if given the chance.
Nostalga is a cruel mistress! She will twist your nips without warning and expect you to say thankyou.
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4:09AM on 08/25/2011
Well obviously as matte painting and stop motion looks more real than cgi buddy.
Well obviously as matte painting and stop motion looks more real than cgi buddy.
11:55PM on 04/26/2012
Hand drawn matte paintings were used for 100 years before this playstation 2 type garbage came along. There is no reason not to use practical fx in 2012 at all. Just because they can, no other reason. It's not what 'modern' audiences want, it's what Lucas wants. Btw The puppet looks better, asshat.
Hand drawn matte paintings were used for 100 years before this playstation 2 type garbage came along. There is no reason not to use practical fx in 2012 at all. Just because they can, no other reason. It's not what 'modern' audiences want, it's what Lucas wants. Btw The puppet looks better, asshat.
11:40PM on 08/24/2011
Oh thank God, I prayed they'd replace that tragic ass puppet. Now if they'd only replace that horrible looking shot of the light saber you see for the first time in Obi-Wan's hut.
Oh thank God, I prayed they'd replace that tragic ass puppet. Now if they'd only replace that horrible looking shot of the light saber you see for the first time in Obi-Wan's hut.
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12:03AM on 04/27/2012
That's cos you like computer generated crap, mate. The 9 likes who thumbed up your comment are morons.
That's cos you like computer generated crap, mate. The 9 likes who thumbed up your comment are morons.
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11:19PM on 08/24/2011
Phantom Menace sucks anyways
Phantom Menace sucks anyways
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11:14PM on 08/24/2011

Extra Tidbit

Forget about Gollum?
Forget about Gollum?
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2:52PM on 08/25/2011
No, he said likable, although Gollum was great in the movie, he was hardly likable...
No, he said likable, although Gollum was great in the movie, he was hardly likable...
11:06PM on 08/24/2011
Yet another clusterfuck with the ads on this site. Anybody else unable to click the top 3 or 4 news links and instead get re-routed to ads? I remember something about who we're supposed to cry to but I forgot.
Yet another clusterfuck with the ads on this site. Anybody else unable to click the top 3 or 4 news links and instead get re-routed to ads? I remember something about who we're supposed to cry to but I forgot.
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12:13AM on 08/25/2011
Better look out my buddy got kicked off this site for bitching about the ads to much, true story no shitting you!
Better look out my buddy got kicked off this site for bitching about the ads to much, true story no shitting you!
10:55PM on 08/24/2011
i have to say, in lucas' defense, if i ever made a movie that i wasn't totally happy with and had the chance to teak it...i totally would.
i have to say, in lucas' defense, if i ever made a movie that i wasn't totally happy with and had the chance to teak it...i totally would.
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4:11AM on 08/25/2011
There's tweaking and then there's tweaking. The guy tweaks as much as teen pop stars tweets.
There's tweaking and then there's tweaking. The guy tweaks as much as teen pop stars tweets.
10:53PM on 08/24/2011
In all fairness, I'm expecting the next revision to include all lightsabers as walkie-talkies
In all fairness, I'm expecting the next revision to include all lightsabers as walkie-talkies
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10:15PM on 08/24/2011
Yeah, it's pretty pathetic if your life is so fragile that it's capable of being raped by a change in a Star Wars movie.
Those kinds of comments are just ridiculous.
This is a good change. It helps with the continuity of the other films in having a Yoda that actually looks like Yoda.
Furthermore, like it or not, this is Lucas' creation. Not the fans. He can tinker with it as much as he pleases.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved.
Yeah, it's pretty pathetic if your life is so fragile that it's capable of being raped by a change in a Star Wars movie.
Those kinds of comments are just ridiculous.
This is a good change. It helps with the continuity of the other films in having a Yoda that actually looks like Yoda.
Furthermore, like it or not, this is Lucas' creation. Not the fans. He can tinker with it as much as he pleases.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved.
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12:38AM on 04/27/2012
You just don't get it do you? We want the original and we have a god given right to it. Considering Lucas called people who colorized old movies barbarians in 1988, what does that make him. And no he can';t do what he lieks actually. We'll get the originals....... eventually.
You just don't get it do you? We want the original and we have a god given right to it. Considering Lucas called people who colorized old movies barbarians in 1988, what does that make him. And no he can';t do what he lieks actually. We'll get the originals....... eventually.
9:50PM on 08/24/2011
So bored I posted twice.
So bored I posted twice.
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9:50PM on 08/24/2011
Wow. Cool. I wish all filmmakers would keep editing their old movies instead of making new ones. Maybe he could hire a screenwriter or edit out Jar Jar.
Wow. Cool. I wish all filmmakers would keep editing their old movies instead of making new ones. Maybe he could hire a screenwriter or edit out Jar Jar.
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9:22PM on 08/24/2011
Puppet Yoda looks like John Malkovich. Is Malkovich insane or just a little retarded?
Puppet Yoda looks like John Malkovich. Is Malkovich insane or just a little retarded?
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11:42PM on 08/24/2011
Both.
Both.
8:49PM on 08/24/2011

Good call

Glad they updated it. Puppet Yoda doesn't flow with the other two of the new series.
Glad they updated it. Puppet Yoda doesn't flow with the other two of the new series.
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8:34PM on 08/24/2011
Thank the heavens for this. I have always hatedthe Episode Yoda more then Jar Jar Binks. To me he always looked like they took Warwick Davis's costume from the Leprechaun movies and just spray painted it green.
Thank the heavens for this. I have always hatedthe Episode Yoda more then Jar Jar Binks. To me he always looked like they took Warwick Davis's costume from the Leprechaun movies and just spray painted it green.
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8:22PM on 08/24/2011

Typical biased Tassi article

The puppet Yoda from Phantom was a monstrosity, glad they made this call. I personally hate cgi; its overuse is one of my biggest complaints about the prequel trilogy (along with shitty fcking writing)...but that puppet put the Empire Yoda to shame and is considerably less animated than either the original trilogy Yoda or cgi model Yoda.
The puppet Yoda from Phantom was a monstrosity, glad they made this call. I personally hate cgi; its overuse is one of my biggest complaints about the prequel trilogy (along with shitty fcking writing)...but that puppet put the Empire Yoda to shame and is considerably less animated than either the original trilogy Yoda or cgi model Yoda.
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4:32AM on 08/25/2011
willthechill, you're breaking my heart!
willthechill, you're breaking my heart!
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8:21PM on 08/24/2011

*sigh*

If I hear someone say "George Lucas raped my childhood" one more time, I'm going to SCREAM. Get the hell over it, whiney nerds. Puppet Yoda from Phantom Menace was TERRIBLE. For years people have been insulting Lucas for Puppet Yoda from that film, and now that he's changing it to a CGI Yoda, like you've all been screaming at him to do for YEARS, now all of a sudden it's "WAHHHHH WHY'S HE CHANGING IT HE'S RAPING MY CHILDHOOD!!"

Ugh.
If I hear someone say "George Lucas raped my childhood" one more time, I'm going to SCREAM. Get the hell over it, whiney nerds. Puppet Yoda from Phantom Menace was TERRIBLE. For years people have been insulting Lucas for Puppet Yoda from that film, and now that he's changing it to a CGI Yoda, like you've all been screaming at him to do for YEARS, now all of a sudden it's "WAHHHHH WHY'S HE CHANGING IT HE'S RAPING MY CHILDHOOD!!"

Ugh.
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8:16PM on 08/24/2011
I really don't see why this is a problem. I mean doing this is not suddenly going to make Phantom Menace good. I really don't notice the difference. As long as he keeps his fate neck out of the originals he can do what he wants.

Tidbit: Arnold from Terminator Salvation. I thought he looked great in that one.
I really don't see why this is a problem. I mean doing this is not suddenly going to make Phantom Menace good. I really don't notice the difference. As long as he keeps his fate neck out of the originals he can do what he wants.

Tidbit: Arnold from Terminator Salvation. I thought he looked great in that one.
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8:04PM on 08/24/2011
I actually like this change. And it's the only credit I'm giving to Lucas. The puppet in TPM was pretty bad. So I guess Lucas breaks even on this one. -1 for putting a shitty puppet into the movie and +1 for changing it 12 years later into CGI = 0
I actually like this change. And it's the only credit I'm giving to Lucas. The puppet in TPM was pretty bad. So I guess Lucas breaks even on this one. -1 for putting a shitty puppet into the movie and +1 for changing it 12 years later into CGI = 0
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7:46PM on 08/24/2011

AND...

I could swear that somewhere in the extras of the Ep. II or III DVD, you can clearly see a CGI Yoda in this very same segment. I believe it was an extra about making a CGI Yoda and they had a montage of scenes. An Ep. I scene was definitely included. I remember rewinding the disc to view it again and again.
I could swear that somewhere in the extras of the Ep. II or III DVD, you can clearly see a CGI Yoda in this very same segment. I believe it was an extra about making a CGI Yoda and they had a montage of scenes. An Ep. I scene was definitely included. I remember rewinding the disc to view it again and again.
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7:43PM on 08/24/2011

In defense...

Crazy as it sounds, this idea makes sense. The puppet sucked. It didn't even look like Yoda, young or not. I liked the Ep. II & III CGI Yoda and, for continuity's sake, the CGI Yoda in all three prequels is a better idea.
Crazy as it sounds, this idea makes sense. The puppet sucked. It didn't even look like Yoda, young or not. I liked the Ep. II & III CGI Yoda and, for continuity's sake, the CGI Yoda in all three prequels is a better idea.
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7:28PM on 08/24/2011

Yoda the Puppet or Yoda the CGI?

I think it all depends on what George Lucas is going for...is Yoda a character that doesnt age apperance-wise? If so then CGI is a good way to go, if he does age..then make a puppet that doesnt look weird.
My point is..stick with what works the best and doesnt change it.
I think it all depends on what George Lucas is going for...is Yoda a character that doesnt age apperance-wise? If so then CGI is a good way to go, if he does age..then make a puppet that doesnt look weird.
My point is..stick with what works the best and doesnt change it.
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7:22PM on 08/24/2011
At least Lucas is an equal opportunity "rapist of childhoods". Now all those kids who grew up with the prequels and inexplicably liked them will have something to bitch about.
Extra Tidbit: Gollum, the Na'vi, King Kong and technically Wall-E and Eve, that movie had live action in it but I don't know if it counts.
At least Lucas is an equal opportunity "rapist of childhoods". Now all those kids who grew up with the prequels and inexplicably liked them will have something to bitch about.
Extra Tidbit: Gollum, the Na'vi, King Kong and technically Wall-E and Eve, that movie had live action in it but I don't know if it counts.
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10:44PM on 08/24/2011
Really, Wall-E & Eve? Please enlighten me?
Really, Wall-E & Eve? Please enlighten me?
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6:46PM on 08/24/2011
That puppet sucked. So Im cool with this. Actually looks a lot better. I never understood why that puppet looked so different from Yoda in the other films. It certainly didnt look "younger" if that was the effect they were going for.
That puppet sucked. So Im cool with this. Actually looks a lot better. I never understood why that puppet looked so different from Yoda in the other films. It certainly didnt look "younger" if that was the effect they were going for.
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6:38PM on 08/24/2011
I don't think people really understand why people hate Lucas these days. It's not that these changes that he makes are good or bad, it's that we aren't offered the alternative. I want to see Star Wars as was originally intended in the best possible format. ONCE THAT HAS BEEN DONE, Lucas can go ahead and do all the re-releases, alterations, fixes, etc that he so desires.
I hated Phantom Menace. I hate it with puppet Yoda and I'm sure I'll hate it with CGI Yoda. Regardless, I'll stand by the
I don't think people really understand why people hate Lucas these days. It's not that these changes that he makes are good or bad, it's that we aren't offered the alternative. I want to see Star Wars as was originally intended in the best possible format. ONCE THAT HAS BEEN DONE, Lucas can go ahead and do all the re-releases, alterations, fixes, etc that he so desires.
I hated Phantom Menace. I hate it with puppet Yoda and I'm sure I'll hate it with CGI Yoda. Regardless, I'll stand by the fact that the original puppet version should also be getting a bluray release. It has nothing to do with preference and everything to do with film preservation.
I may prefer the extended cuts of the Lord of the Rings series, or the R-rated cut of Die Hard 4, or the Final Cut of Blade Runner BUT every single one of those movies also had the standard theatrical cut also released. Perhaps the extended cuts are simply too long or you just want to see the version you saw in theaters for nostalgia purposes, the reason doesn't matter. It should be available for you to throw down your hard earned money to watch.
People seem to get the image that people that are against Lucas are these raving fanboys that are just being picky. We're not. If Lucas releases the unaltered trilogy tomorrow on bluray, I guarantee that every single fanboy will shut up. I don't care that I dislike the prequel trilogy. I can CHOOSE to never buy it or never watch it again. Until the year 2006, Star Wars fans did not have any choice. They had to watch one "special" edition or another. And when we finally received the original trilogy in dvd form, it was a non-anamorphic port of a crappy laser-disk with severe ghosting, interlacing, dusting and color correction issues. If you don't know what those terms mean, it basically means that he found the absolute worst copy of the movies, used them as toilet paper for about a year, then wrapped them around the tires of his car and drove that car to run over the hopes of all the loyal Star Wars fans that he helped label "rabid fanboys".
I expect these ignorant statements about the changes being perfectly fine from regular folk but I think it really bothers me when film buffs, like the ones on this site, are completely tolerant of this situation. I mean, think about your favorite movie. Your favorite movie of all time. Now imagine you only saw it in theaters and have been counting down the days till you get to see it in good quality in your home. It's never been released on dvd or bluray but you would like the opportunity to show your friends or family this movie that you absolutely adore. Perhaps show it to your kids and have them grow up with this amazing movie. You finally get it home, pop in the disk, sit down to watch the film and halfway through your enjoyment, some asshat has inserted a fully cgi musical number and then even adds Hayden motherfucking Christensen in place of one of the original actors. Whether it's Back To The Future, Godfather, Fight Club, whatever. You wouldn't want that, would you?
I think I should end this with the words of Lucas' collaborator and good friend Steven Spielberg:

"When people ask me which E.T. they should look at, I always tell them to look at the original 1982 E.T. If you notice, when we did put out E.T. we put out two E.T.s. We put out the digitally enhanced version with the additional scenes and for no extra money, in the same package, we put out the original Ď82 version. I always tell people to go back to the í82 version.
[In the future] thereís going to be no more digital enhancements or digital additions to anything based on any film I direct. Iím not going to do any corrections digitally to even wires that show. If 1941 comes on Blu-Ray Iím not going to go back and take the wires out because the Blu-Ray will bring the wires out that are guiding the airplane down Hollywood Blvd. At this point right now I think letting movies exist in the era, with all the flaws and all of the flourishes, is a wonderful way to mark time and mark history."
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7:16PM on 08/24/2011
You said everything I wanted to say and then some.
You said everything I wanted to say and then some.
8:34PM on 08/24/2011
Smartest comment on here. You should put this on a blog post, if you have a blog, so I can link to it anytime anyone really wants to know why it's all so upsetting.
Smartest comment on here. You should put this on a blog post, if you have a blog, so I can link to it anytime anyone really wants to know why it's all so upsetting.
9:03PM on 08/24/2011
I agree with you 754% But it comes down to the fact that Lucas is getting money from whatever crap he puts out.
I agree with you 754% But it comes down to the fact that Lucas is getting money from whatever crap he puts out.
9:50PM on 08/24/2011
That is absolutely correct about the need to release the original, unaltered versions. Don't really agree with the fact that Phantom Menace should be released unaltered too since it is already on a good release, but the originals need to be released for either preferential purposes or preservation purposes. I'm a stickler for continuity, so the alterations, save for a few, don't bother me. Han did shoot first, there was no ridiculous dance number in Jabba's palace and Sabastian Shaw was the
That is absolutely correct about the need to release the original, unaltered versions. Don't really agree with the fact that Phantom Menace should be released unaltered too since it is already on a good release, but the originals need to be released for either preferential purposes or preservation purposes. I'm a stickler for continuity, so the alterations, save for a few, don't bother me. Han did shoot first, there was no ridiculous dance number in Jabba's palace and Sabastian Shaw was the ghost of Anakin. Everything else I'm game for. Now, even though I prefer to watch the films in a way that flows from episode I to IV. But I would like a good copy of the OT that I can pop in for nostalgia and also so I can show my kids that this is what I grew up with before it changed.
6:28PM on 08/24/2011
And in the 'Why am I not surprised?' category...
And in the 'Why am I not surprised?' category...
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6:26PM on 08/24/2011
It begins.

At least with the prequels Lucas might cut them up enough that they end up being actually good.
It begins.

At least with the prequels Lucas might cut them up enough that they end up being actually good.
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6:20PM on 08/24/2011
Extra Tibit: King Kong
Extra Tibit: King Kong
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8:37PM on 08/24/2011
Word. King kong was a great character.
Word. King kong was a great character.
6:18PM on 08/24/2011

after much review...

i like the puppet Yoda better. The CGI still seems like a cartoon and the puppet moves slower giving yoda a an older, wiser appearance.

I would like them to use CGI to replace Jarjar Binks with a mute ghost.

as for CGI characters, anything by Andy Serkis, and i also liked the Raptors from JP and Zoey Saldana from Avatar
i like the puppet Yoda better. The CGI still seems like a cartoon and the puppet moves slower giving yoda a an older, wiser appearance.

I would like them to use CGI to replace Jarjar Binks with a mute ghost.

as for CGI characters, anything by Andy Serkis, and i also liked the Raptors from JP and Zoey Saldana from Avatar
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6:14PM on 08/24/2011
I'm shocked.
I'm shocked.
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6:13PM on 08/24/2011
I understand hostility towards "fixing" something that ain't broken. But that puppet didn't look like Yoda at all so I'm cool with this.
I understand hostility towards "fixing" something that ain't broken. But that puppet didn't look like Yoda at all so I'm cool with this.
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5:52PM on 08/24/2011
Lucas can do whatever he wants with these movies its his right to do so. Hell he could make Chewbacca a billy goat for all I care, but until he releases the original trilogy untouched on Blu ray I'm not giving him one penny of my money. You want George to finally get the message, you gotta speak George's language. Fuckin' with his cash is the only way to get his attention, if you stop buying it they'll stop selling it.
Lucas can do whatever he wants with these movies its his right to do so. Hell he could make Chewbacca a billy goat for all I care, but until he releases the original trilogy untouched on Blu ray I'm not giving him one penny of my money. You want George to finally get the message, you gotta speak George's language. Fuckin' with his cash is the only way to get his attention, if you stop buying it they'll stop selling it.
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5:50PM on 08/24/2011

from bad to worse

i dont really care about the prequels as much. but i cant be the only one who found the muppet yoda to be way better than another cgi creation, can i?
i dont really care about the prequels as much. but i cant be the only one who found the muppet yoda to be way better than another cgi creation, can i?
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5:52PM on 08/24/2011
that's nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. the cgi yodab obviously looks 100 times better
that's nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. the cgi yodab obviously looks 100 times better
5:49PM on 08/24/2011

FINALLY!

That puppet was embarrassingly bad. They had an unlimited budget, yet they couldn't make a Yoda puppet that looked like Yoda?!

Lucas was at least smart enough to give Jar Jar a reduced role and fix Yoda in Episodes II-III.

Now if only they could retroactively add in physical location shoots, humor and naturally flowing dialogue we'd be all set.
That puppet was embarrassingly bad. They had an unlimited budget, yet they couldn't make a Yoda puppet that looked like Yoda?!

Lucas was at least smart enough to give Jar Jar a reduced role and fix Yoda in Episodes II-III.

Now if only they could retroactively add in physical location shoots, humor and naturally flowing dialogue we'd be all set.
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5:48PM on 08/24/2011

Agree

I agree with most of you. This doesn't upset me at all because I don't care WHAT he does to the prequels. Put whatever you want in them. Change whatever you want. Put a young Hayden Christensen's head over Jake Lloyd's if you want. In fact, do that, I want to see it...
I agree with most of you. This doesn't upset me at all because I don't care WHAT he does to the prequels. Put whatever you want in them. Change whatever you want. Put a young Hayden Christensen's head over Jake Lloyd's if you want. In fact, do that, I want to see it...
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5:40PM on 08/24/2011
At this point it's obvious that Lucas has been replaced with a Cgi character.

His insistence on updating his films has officially become more intriguing and entertaining than the films themselves, that's not exactly a good thing though.

Fekk, go full bore bro and replace the entire cast of the original trilogy, for starters. You can replace Mark H with a cgi rendition of Bieber, so you can appeal to the younger generation, baby, oohhhh, the force is cool
At this point it's obvious that Lucas has been replaced with a Cgi character.

His insistence on updating his films has officially become more intriguing and entertaining than the films themselves, that's not exactly a good thing though.

Fekk, go full bore bro and replace the entire cast of the original trilogy, for starters. You can replace Mark H with a cgi rendition of Bieber, so you can appeal to the younger generation, baby, oohhhh, the force is cool
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5:36PM on 08/24/2011

Extra Tidbit

Don't forget Gollum.
Don't forget Gollum.
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5:20PM on 08/24/2011

When . . .

900 years old you are, look this good, you will not!
900 years old you are, look this good, you will not!
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5:14PM on 08/24/2011
Lucas is already re-doing The Phantom Menace? That makes me feel really fuckin' old man.
Lucas is already re-doing The Phantom Menace? That makes me feel really fuckin' old man.
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5:11PM on 08/24/2011
Lets see. And there is King Kong, Gollum, the Na'vi, Buzz, Woody. Yeah they are all different examples of CG characters, but to say that only Ceaser from "Apes" is the only good CG character ever is completely asinine. And the puppet from Episode I looks like an old ballsack, so...
Lets see. And there is King Kong, Gollum, the Na'vi, Buzz, Woody. Yeah they are all different examples of CG characters, but to say that only Ceaser from "Apes" is the only good CG character ever is completely asinine. And the puppet from Episode I looks like an old ballsack, so...
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5:46PM on 08/24/2011
I don't much care about what happens to a cgi character, maybe that's why i still love the 70s version of KK, i would rather have someone in a suit or a puppet than a cgi creation anyday. There is no emotional resonance in those digital bits regardless of how advanced the technology gets, although i still feel the ones in Spirits Within came the closest to actually getting emotionally invested in.

When a couple of random cgi apes met their jungle master in the latest version of POTA, i didn't
I don't much care about what happens to a cgi character, maybe that's why i still love the 70s version of KK, i would rather have someone in a suit or a puppet than a cgi creation anyday. There is no emotional resonance in those digital bits regardless of how advanced the technology gets, although i still feel the ones in Spirits Within came the closest to actually getting emotionally invested in.

When a couple of random cgi apes met their jungle master in the latest version of POTA, i didn't give a shiite, it was just a sprite on the screen.

I didn't even care about what happened to Ceasar, i was hoping he would get wasted
5:11PM on 08/24/2011

I was 10 when Phantom Menace came out.

So I didn't know any better. What's their excuse?
So I didn't know any better. What's their excuse?
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5:03PM on 08/24/2011
Well thank god he fixed that! Now that Yoda's puppet has been replaced, Phantom Menace won't suck anymore! OH WAIT
Well thank god he fixed that! Now that Yoda's puppet has been replaced, Phantom Menace won't suck anymore! OH WAIT
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5:01PM on 08/24/2011
Maybe they can replace Jake Lloyd too.

I'm not against them doing this because 90% of the prequels is CGI anyway and this fits in better with the continuity of the prequel trilogy. Yoda is CGI in episodes 2 and 3 and just looks fucking weird and creepy in Episode 1. Also, it's the prequel trilogy.. Lucas can call those movies his own and fuck with them all he wants, they'll still be awful.
Maybe they can replace Jake Lloyd too.

I'm not against them doing this because 90% of the prequels is CGI anyway and this fits in better with the continuity of the prequel trilogy. Yoda is CGI in episodes 2 and 3 and just looks fucking weird and creepy in Episode 1. Also, it's the prequel trilogy.. Lucas can call those movies his own and fuck with them all he wants, they'll still be awful.
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5:01PM on 08/24/2011

I used to care.

Looks ok I guess.But why stop there? There is a ton more tweaking the prequels could use.
Looks ok I guess.But why stop there? There is a ton more tweaking the prequels could use.
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4:55PM on 08/24/2011
I don't mind, the Yoda puppet from The Phantom Menace looks more like Doc Brown than anything else. Just don't mess with the Original Trilogy Yoda.
I don't mind, the Yoda puppet from The Phantom Menace looks more like Doc Brown than anything else. Just don't mess with the Original Trilogy Yoda.
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4:47PM on 08/24/2011
Yep, because Yoda was Phantom Menace's problem. Cough.
Yep, because Yoda was Phantom Menace's problem. Cough.
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4:40PM on 08/24/2011
I like most of the "edits" that Lucas does to the franchise. They make the Star Wars realm seem more realistic, alive and cohesive. :)
I like most of the "edits" that Lucas does to the franchise. They make the Star Wars realm seem more realistic, alive and cohesive. :)
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4:28PM on 08/24/2011
Good move. The Episode I puppet looked nothing like Yoda.
Good move. The Episode I puppet looked nothing like Yoda.
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4:23PM on 08/24/2011

Raiders of the Lost ART

There is one major problem with replacing the puppet Yoda from 'Phantom Menace':
While the CGI Yoda looks better, the emotion projected into the puppet by the puppeteer (Frank Oz) is eliminated.
Watch the clips again to see how Yoda's vocal inflections to not match up with the facial expressions of the CGI Yoda.
Also keep in mind that the puppet Yoda was given a slightly younger voice since he was supposed to portray a younger Yoda (at 870 years I am sure he pretty much aged as much as
There is one major problem with replacing the puppet Yoda from 'Phantom Menace':
While the CGI Yoda looks better, the emotion projected into the puppet by the puppeteer (Frank Oz) is eliminated.
Watch the clips again to see how Yoda's vocal inflections to not match up with the facial expressions of the CGI Yoda.
Also keep in mind that the puppet Yoda was given a slightly younger voice since he was supposed to portray a younger Yoda (at 870 years I am sure he pretty much aged as much as possible physically) and the Younger voice does not match up with the older looking puppet and the subsequent 'old Yoda' voice recordings from Ep II and III.
Pretty pointless
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4:18PM on 08/24/2011
im glad he replaced yoda in episode 1 because i felt the yoda he used from the original trilogy even looked better than yoda from episode 1. im glad its just from episode one though. I would refuse to buy the set if he put cgi yoda in the original trilogy!
im glad he replaced yoda in episode 1 because i felt the yoda he used from the original trilogy even looked better than yoda from episode 1. im glad its just from episode one though. I would refuse to buy the set if he put cgi yoda in the original trilogy!
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4:22PM on 08/24/2011
I honestly think nerds would literally murder Lucas if he replaced Yoda in the original trilogy with cgi.
I honestly think nerds would literally murder Lucas if he replaced Yoda in the original trilogy with cgi.
4:10PM on 08/24/2011

The movies speak to children of TODAY..

As a father of two young boys, it has occurred to me that many of the things I find offensive that George Lucas has done to his films has made those films infinitely more accessible to my young boys. What George Lucas does is take films that look dated and upgrade them to a quality that speaks to kids of the current generation. These changes, I myself find it egregious on every level, but to my boys it makes them able to enjoy films they may have otherwise dismissed.
As a father of two young boys, it has occurred to me that many of the things I find offensive that George Lucas has done to his films has made those films infinitely more accessible to my young boys. What George Lucas does is take films that look dated and upgrade them to a quality that speaks to kids of the current generation. These changes, I myself find it egregious on every level, but to my boys it makes them able to enjoy films they may have otherwise dismissed.
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5:54PM on 08/24/2011
I don't know. I think the special effects hold up really well and in fact, since a lot of the effects are practical, look better than the CG you see today. Also, they may grow up...become huge film fans and then look back and say "You know what, that sucks he changed he movie..." I saw the Special Editions when I was...9 and found them exciting at the time. Then I watched them again when I was a teenager and almost shat myself. I was blow away at how awkward and awful the added scenes were. My
I don't know. I think the special effects hold up really well and in fact, since a lot of the effects are practical, look better than the CG you see today. Also, they may grow up...become huge film fans and then look back and say "You know what, that sucks he changed he movie..." I saw the Special Editions when I was...9 and found them exciting at the time. Then I watched them again when I was a teenager and almost shat myself. I was blow away at how awkward and awful the added scenes were. My point is: I think your kids would like them regardless
5:59PM on 08/24/2011
And, you rewatch movies, that you loved as a kid, as an adult, and some of them hold up really well and others don't? I think the prequels and special editions are ones that don't hold up. That at least has been my experience.
And, you rewatch movies, that you loved as a kid, as an adult, and some of them hold up really well and others don't? I think the prequels and special editions are ones that don't hold up. That at least has been my experience.
3:56PM on 08/24/2011

That's fine with me

If anything, the CGI Yoda will make him look more consistent with his surroundings. I, for one, thought the Yoda in II and III looked fantastic and loved how Lucas handled his fighting style. The guy can barely walk, so you can't expect him to fight like that. He's arguably the greatest Jedi of all time, so it's entirely reasonable that he could muster up some energy to bounce around like Sonic the Hedgehog for ten minutes.

Bring on the Blu-Rays. I can't wait.
If anything, the CGI Yoda will make him look more consistent with his surroundings. I, for one, thought the Yoda in II and III looked fantastic and loved how Lucas handled his fighting style. The guy can barely walk, so you can't expect him to fight like that. He's arguably the greatest Jedi of all time, so it's entirely reasonable that he could muster up some energy to bounce around like Sonic the Hedgehog for ten minutes.

Bring on the Blu-Rays. I can't wait.
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3:52PM on 08/24/2011

Who cares, Fuck Clone Wars

It doesn't matter- I hate The Clone Wars- it has nothing to do with Star Wars and why I love Star Wars. For me Star Wars is about when I was young. It's about the 70's. It's about disco and mirrorballs and Kenner. It's about digging a snow trench in my parents' yard.
It doesn't matter- I hate The Clone Wars- it has nothing to do with Star Wars and why I love Star Wars. For me Star Wars is about when I was young. It's about the 70's. It's about disco and mirrorballs and Kenner. It's about digging a snow trench in my parents' yard.
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3:48PM on 08/24/2011

LMAO...

Seriously why??? Yoda looks the fuckin same, as a puppet and CGI expect for the color maybe. This dude is a dumb ass.
Seriously why??? Yoda looks the fuckin same, as a puppet and CGI expect for the color maybe. This dude is a dumb ass.
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4:44PM on 08/24/2011
YAY there's my negative's I've been looking for :)
YAY there's my negative's I've been looking for :)
3:41PM on 08/24/2011

Jackass

I think the constant-growing neck fat is warping his mind. How I wish the un-edited, original, versions would hit Blu-Ray with actual good resolution unlike the shit ones he did a few years back.
I think the constant-growing neck fat is warping his mind. How I wish the un-edited, original, versions would hit Blu-Ray with actual good resolution unlike the shit ones he did a few years back.
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3:38PM on 08/24/2011
I really don't give a shit. Lucas already got all the money he's going to get out of me after I bought the original theatrical release trilogy on dvd. Because you know after this, Lucas is going to release it in 3D as well to milk every last drop he can from the fanboy's saggy man-boobs.
I really don't give a shit. Lucas already got all the money he's going to get out of me after I bought the original theatrical release trilogy on dvd. Because you know after this, Lucas is going to release it in 3D as well to milk every last drop he can from the fanboy's saggy man-boobs.
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3:32PM on 08/24/2011
It's going to take much more than replacing a puppet to keep POTM from sucking
It's going to take much more than replacing a puppet to keep POTM from sucking
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3:08PM on 08/24/2011
Hey, while he's at it, digitally replace the kid too!
Hey, while he's at it, digitally replace the kid too!
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4:23PM on 08/24/2011
How about he digitally replaced the whole plot of Episode 1 into something good.
How about he digitally replaced the whole plot of Episode 1 into something good.
3:07PM on 08/24/2011
I'm worked off my anger toward Lucas a long time ago. Now news like this just bores me.
I'm worked off my anger toward Lucas a long time ago. Now news like this just bores me.
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3:06PM on 08/24/2011
Is there no end to his madness? Gollum, hands down, was the most realistic CGI character to grace the screens. Kong was incredibly well done too. Along with Caesar, WETA is conquering the market...
Is there no end to his madness? Gollum, hands down, was the most realistic CGI character to grace the screens. Kong was incredibly well done too. Along with Caesar, WETA is conquering the market...
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3:00PM on 08/24/2011
Say what you will about the movie overall, but Dr. Manhattan was excellent.
Say what you will about the movie overall, but Dr. Manhattan was excellent.
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2:56PM on 08/24/2011

And

Caesar and the Na'vi, are the only CGI characters with which I've been 100% pleased and involved with.

Still buying the Blu's of Star Wars lol...
Caesar and the Na'vi, are the only CGI characters with which I've been 100% pleased and involved with.

Still buying the Blu's of Star Wars lol...
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2:55PM on 08/24/2011
Wasn't this announced like 5 years ago?
A good move, regardless. The puppet looked like thit.
Wasn't this announced like 5 years ago?
A good move, regardless. The puppet looked like thit.
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2:51PM on 08/24/2011

thank god

puppet yoda was weird and creepy. it didn't even look like yoda. i for one am glad they changed it.

yoda jumping around in AOTC was one of the best parts of the movie!! that and natalie portman's white outfit!!
puppet yoda was weird and creepy. it didn't even look like yoda. i for one am glad they changed it.

yoda jumping around in AOTC was one of the best parts of the movie!! that and natalie portman's white outfit!!
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2:50PM on 08/24/2011

Thank you George!

That puppet from Episode 1 was fucking horrible. Looks 1,000 times better in the Blu-Ray release. It may not bug some but I've always hated it.
That puppet from Episode 1 was fucking horrible. Looks 1,000 times better in the Blu-Ray release. It may not bug some but I've always hated it.
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4:20PM on 08/24/2011
I agree. He looked older in the Phantom Menace than he did in Empire because of a poor quality puppet.
I agree. He looked older in the Phantom Menace than he did in Empire because of a poor quality puppet.
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2:47PM on 08/24/2011
I'd prefer the Puppet Yoda from Phantom Menace to be replaced. It looked ridiculous - more like a relative of Yoda than actual Yoda.

I don't want Lucas to change anything else except for ONE thing - fix that shot of Han Solo stepping over Jabbas tale. It looks awful. If that is fixed - happy days!
I'd prefer the Puppet Yoda from Phantom Menace to be replaced. It looked ridiculous - more like a relative of Yoda than actual Yoda.

I don't want Lucas to change anything else except for ONE thing - fix that shot of Han Solo stepping over Jabbas tale. It looks awful. If that is fixed - happy days!
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2:43PM on 08/24/2011
As long he doesn't do the same with The Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi I don't mind.
As long he doesn't do the same with The Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi I don't mind.
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2:42PM on 08/24/2011

Tidbit

What about Gollum?
What about Gollum?
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