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Oct. 2, 2009by: Tony Lang

Mighty Mugs Rider

Anyone on the fence about the recent news that GHOST RIDER 2 is going ahead? With Nic Cage? Aiming at a PG-13 again?

Talking to the folks of Collider this week, screenwriter David Goyer confirmed that he's not really writing the new GHOST script, he actually wrote it 9 years ago... The sequel will be based on a "hard R" treatment that was then tossed and now adapted to the required "come on in, kids" certification. Why was it tossed, you may ask? "Originally I was writing it, and Stephen Norrington was gonna direct." No need to say more Dave...

 As for the rating, Goyer loops back to the fact that THE DARK KNIGHT got away with a lot and was on the "bleeding edge" of PG-13, with such a rating being increasingly tolerant. "There's no question we're gonna have to tone some things down, but I don't think we're gonna have to do that much". As far as I'm concerned, that movie can't get away with Nic Cage again, but that's just me. Am I wrong?

Extra Tidbit: Plus they killed Donal Logue in the first. You can't kill Donal Logue. He friggin Rocks!!
Source: Collider

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2:59AM on 10/04/2009
Ghost Rider is to date the worst modern Marvel flick I've seen come to the big screen. I had hopes for it to be somewhat decent but it's a horrible waste of time. There's no way the second one's doing any better.
Ghost Rider is to date the worst modern Marvel flick I've seen come to the big screen. I had hopes for it to be somewhat decent but it's a horrible waste of time. There's no way the second one's doing any better.
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5:02AM on 10/03/2009

David Goyer Sucks.

He sucks hard. He's been trying to pull the "Co-Writer of Batman Begins & The Dark Knight" wool over our eyes for a bit now. He co-wrote BB, but he was barely involved with TDK compared to Jonathan Nolan who was the genius behind Chris' best flicks and did the real writing. Goyer hasn't directed one good film, and only wrote one mediocre film (Blade); Flash Forward was mediocre at best (great concept though).
He sucks hard. He's been trying to pull the "Co-Writer of Batman Begins & The Dark Knight" wool over our eyes for a bit now. He co-wrote BB, but he was barely involved with TDK compared to Jonathan Nolan who was the genius behind Chris' best flicks and did the real writing. Goyer hasn't directed one good film, and only wrote one mediocre film (Blade); Flash Forward was mediocre at best (great concept though).
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9:53PM on 10/02/2009
This is a shit sandwich on a toasted diaper. I can guarantee this wil be as bad if not worse than the first one.
This is a shit sandwich on a toasted diaper. I can guarantee this wil be as bad if not worse than the first one.
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9:13PM on 10/02/2009
If Cage is coming back count me out. He was the worst part of that already god-awful movie. I may rent it for the unintentional humor that would ensue from his horrile acting
If Cage is coming back count me out. He was the worst part of that already god-awful movie. I may rent it for the unintentional humor that would ensue from his horrile acting
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5:57PM on 10/02/2009

FAIL

this movie will be a fail and a half.
this movie will be a fail and a half.
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4:55PM on 10/02/2009

The GHOST RIDER Himself...

The "Ghost Rider" Entity should be portrayed by a completely different actor to depict that "it" is an entity that symbiotes with a human host.

Peter Jackson had the right idea of having a talented character actor like Andy Serkis in a mocap suit sell the dual nature of Gollum/Smeagol.

For "The Ghost Rider", this should be played by one of the all time greats like, yes, the evil clown from Stephen King's "IT" or the Devil from Ridley Scott's "Legend", yes, someone like Tim Curry.

That
The "Ghost Rider" Entity should be portrayed by a completely different actor to depict that "it" is an entity that symbiotes with a human host.

Peter Jackson had the right idea of having a talented character actor like Andy Serkis in a mocap suit sell the dual nature of Gollum/Smeagol.

For "The Ghost Rider", this should be played by one of the all time greats like, yes, the evil clown from Stephen King's "IT" or the Devil from Ridley Scott's "Legend", yes, someone like Tim Curry.

That would be badass!
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4:22PM on 10/02/2009

How Nic Cage COULD work

Nic Cage could work if he were a recipient of the "Penance" stare someone who is deeply regretful for his sins and who is haunted by guilt over actions that have wreaked havoc on the lives of his victims and their families with the "Ghost Rider" haunting him and reminding him of the consequences of his actions like a true "Spirit of Vengeance".

"The Ghost Rider" himself should be depicted like the "Ring Wraiths" aka the "Nazgul" from LOTR ("Lord of the Rings") or a modern version of "The
Nic Cage could work if he were a recipient of the "Penance" stare someone who is deeply regretful for his sins and who is haunted by guilt over actions that have wreaked havoc on the lives of his victims and their families with the "Ghost Rider" haunting him and reminding him of the consequences of his actions like a true "Spirit of Vengeance".

"The Ghost Rider" himself should be depicted like the "Ring Wraiths" aka the "Nazgul" from LOTR ("Lord of the Rings") or a modern version of "The Headless Horseman"

Nicholas Cage has this performance in him, we've seen it in "Leaving Las Vegas" and "Bringing Out the Dead".

Also, in the comics, writer Garth Ennis had a powerful take on the character/entity of the "Ghost Rider" as a Demon Spirit, which needed to be reigned in by the host.

For film, this needs to be either Danny Ketch or Johnny Blaze. What would be effective would be a "Midnight Sons" dynamic between both Danny & Johnny clashing on how to get control of "The Ghost Rider" which should be depicted as a Natural Disaster of Epic Proportions.

The feel of the film should be eerie ala "The Others", "The Orphanage", "Devil's Backbone", "Pan's Labyrinth"...

This franchise needs Wes Craven at his peak, Clive Barker, or Guillermo Del Toro.
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4:13PM on 10/02/2009
Amen to what everyone has said. Ghost Rider is my favorite Marvel character and the franchise deserves so much better than Nic Cage.
Amen to what everyone has said. Ghost Rider is my favorite Marvel character and the franchise deserves so much better than Nic Cage.
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3:53PM on 10/02/2009

REBOOT!

This franchise would be an excellent example for comic book-to-film adaptations that should be REBOOTED!

The iconic image of Biker with a flaming skull riding a badass demon cycle could be all kinds of SICK (as in crazy f'in horror done right). What they should do, and what I would love to help put together, would be a straight supernatural horror. As far as the first there were some great CGI moments (i.e. the two iterations of Ghost Riders - one, the Cowboy Skeleton in Flames and the
This franchise would be an excellent example for comic book-to-film adaptations that should be REBOOTED!

The iconic image of Biker with a flaming skull riding a badass demon cycle could be all kinds of SICK (as in crazy f'in horror done right). What they should do, and what I would love to help put together, would be a straight supernatural horror. As far as the first there were some great CGI moments (i.e. the two iterations of Ghost Riders - one, the Cowboy Skeleton in Flames and the other the modern version on a Badass Bike), which unfortunately lost their impact against the larger context of the film itself.

Where the film especially failed was the casting. Johnny Blaze would have been better cast with Kurt Russell. Someone who exudes some serious masculinity. I just watched Patrick Swayze in "Dirty Dancing" (condelences to his friends and family to a great man and his work: singing, dancing, acting) and that is a man who would have knocked either the Danny Ketch or Johnny Blaze characters out of the park.

The transformation sequence when Blaze's flesh burnt down to his skull needed a Liam Neeson "Dark Man" level of credibility. And Ghost Rider's "Penance Stare" has zero impact if there is no investment on the recipients of the "Punishment"/"Penitence".

One angle for a "Rebooted" revisitation of "Ghost Rider" that would work, would be to follow the original adaptation of James O' Barr's "The Crow" by Alex Proyas. And follow the direction of recent reboot slasher films like "Nightmare on Elm Street", "Friday the 13th", and "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" that would iconicize "Ghost Rider's" Flaming Skull on Hell's Wheels instead of making the character and the image a laughing stock.
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3:07PM on 10/02/2009
Whatever happened to the idea that a sequel for a film was only necessary if the original one was any good? Or let alone if a large amount of people even enjoyed it? I mean, I literally feel like I'm living in a bizarro world while reading these articles, very much comparable to if they had penned a sequel to Daredevil or something.
Whatever happened to the idea that a sequel for a film was only necessary if the original one was any good? Or let alone if a large amount of people even enjoyed it? I mean, I literally feel like I'm living in a bizarro world while reading these articles, very much comparable to if they had penned a sequel to Daredevil or something.
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12:27PM on 10/02/2009

Hahaha...

Oh, this is not a reboot? It's a sequel to the 2007 crapfest with Nicholas "no, not the bees!" Cage? Sign me up for... not watching it.

Btw...

"He adds that fans shouldn't worry as they did get away with a lot in The Dark Knight's PG-13 rating"

They did? I mean... there was no blood in it.
Oh, this is not a reboot? It's a sequel to the 2007 crapfest with Nicholas "no, not the bees!" Cage? Sign me up for... not watching it.

Btw...

"He adds that fans shouldn't worry as they did get away with a lot in The Dark Knight's PG-13 rating"

They did? I mean... there was no blood in it.
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11:02AM on 10/02/2009
Friggin jelly beans in a martini glass....'nuff said

NO CAGE!!!!!
Friggin jelly beans in a martini glass....'nuff said

NO CAGE!!!!!
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4:19AM on 10/02/2009
Ghost rider was so horrible. And nice cage just looks silly now. And

This franchise has the potential to be very bad ass. But it's not going to be badass if you make it PG-13 and nic cage, that is for sure.
Ghost rider was so horrible. And nice cage just looks silly now. And

This franchise has the potential to be very bad ass. But it's not going to be badass if you make it PG-13 and nic cage, that is for sure.
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