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Harry Knowles vs. Roger Ebert over Kick-Ass

04.15.2010

The movie press is all a-flutter today with Roger Ebert's one star review of KICK-ASS hitting the net. He claims that though people will think him a square, he must object to the movie, and his criticism is mainly based on the cussing, killing 11-year-old character of Hit Girl.

This isn't comic violence. These men, and many others in the film, are really stone-cold dead. And the 11-year-old apparently experiences no emotions about this. Many children that age would be, I dunno, affected somehow, don't you think, after killing eight or 12 men who were trying to kill her?

Across the internet, movie geek-in-chief Harry Knowles of AICN like many others took umbrage to Ebert’s moral dismissal of the movie, and wrote a generally well-reasoned critique of why he believes the man to be completely wrong about the film.

The sort of kids that will see KICK ASS this weekend are well prepared for it. Talk to a teacher at our public schools and you'll hear fouler language than even Hit Girl dishes in the classrooms. Not of a private school, but I have dear friends that teach - their kids know the language and how to use it. They’ll see it as just a really cool movie that really let kids KICK ASS. And hopefully it’ll make a few kids want to get into acting so they could do stuff like that. Hopefully.

It was kind of strange to read both of these pieces by the two critics and actually kind of disagree with both of them to a degree. I don’t believe you should dismiss a movie based on “moral outrage” over the theory that it’s going to corrupt kids who shouldn’t be allowed into the theater in the first place. I also don’t think kids seeing an 11-year-old killing and cursing is much different than say, seeing Neo from The Matrix doing the same thing. I know when I was a kid, I would probably be running around shooting imaginary bad guys after the credits rolled on either film. And if my parents didn't want me doing this, they shouldn’t have taken me to see either movie. For the record, I haven’t grown up to kill anyone yet.

Contrastingly, I don’t know how good of a defense it is to say, “well kids play violent video games and swear all the time already, so this movie isn’t going to corrupt them any further.” Is that really justification? It more seems like evidence that pop culture is influencing these kids already to a pretty big degree, and they shouldn’t be further exposed to it.

I do end up siding with Knowles’ overall point though. I think this movie will be a great time for most audiences, and no, young kids probably should NOT be in attendance, but even if they are, I don't believe it's going to affect them any more than a different R-rated actioner would. Though if some 11-year-old girl ends up murdering a street gang using backflips and a butterfly knife in real life any time soon, please let me know.

Extra Tidbit: I love and respect Ebert, but he did put TWO Nicolas Cage movies on his top ten list this year. KNOWING? Seriously?
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11:58AM on 04/18/2010
personally i think the movie would affect kids more possitively than negatively, if it lead to them learning martial arts, parkour and watching old john woo films, also adding the word cunt to their vocabulary would not hurt also..
personally i think the movie would affect kids more possitively than negatively, if it lead to them learning martial arts, parkour and watching old john woo films, also adding the word cunt to their vocabulary would not hurt also..
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7:49PM on 04/17/2010
Nothing like a littel controversy to sell some more tickets. As for the article I'm glad my parents let me watch whatever I wanted to at anytime, some of my younger memories is watching the Hellraiser's all the time. I think this is funny that I just got done watching "This Films is not yet Rated" A documentary about the Mpaa rating system how flawed it is.
Nothing like a littel controversy to sell some more tickets. As for the article I'm glad my parents let me watch whatever I wanted to at anytime, some of my younger memories is watching the Hellraiser's all the time. I think this is funny that I just got done watching "This Films is not yet Rated" A documentary about the Mpaa rating system how flawed it is.
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3:24PM on 04/17/2010
It's all double edged sword really. Parents need to be responsible for their kids. My parents let me watch any movie I wanted as kid and only made me turn away during a sex scene. I didn't go around in public or class swearing like a sailor or beating up other kids. I certainly haven't grown up to kill anyone either. On the other hand, these days it's hard to parent your kids when groups like CPS make it harder and harder. Don't discipline your child because they'll call 911 and lie about abuse
It's all double edged sword really. Parents need to be responsible for their kids. My parents let me watch any movie I wanted as kid and only made me turn away during a sex scene. I didn't go around in public or class swearing like a sailor or beating up other kids. I certainly haven't grown up to kill anyone either. On the other hand, these days it's hard to parent your kids when groups like CPS make it harder and harder. Don't discipline your child because they'll call 911 and lie about abuse because you made them brush their teeth! Kick Ass is just a movie. It's not asking kids to go kick ass. Kids are kids and I sure as hell played with my toy guns and mimiced JCVD after seeing his movies, but my parents made the difference.
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2:39PM on 04/17/2010

Ebert is a Moron

I've been saying this forever. I didn't realize Kick-Ass was going for realism you idiot.
I've been saying this forever. I didn't realize Kick-Ass was going for realism you idiot.
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8:36AM on 04/17/2010

Ebert?

This movie isn't intended for children and after all - it is just a movie. Those guys aren't 'stone-cold dead' THEY'RE ACTING YOU MORON! I bet Ebert doesn't go in the water because he's afraid of Jaws, camping because of Jason or sleep because of Freddy! Eberts coolness peaked and ended in the 70's.
This movie isn't intended for children and after all - it is just a movie. Those guys aren't 'stone-cold dead' THEY'RE ACTING YOU MORON! I bet Ebert doesn't go in the water because he's afraid of Jaws, camping because of Jason or sleep because of Freddy! Eberts coolness peaked and ended in the 70's.
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2:41AM on 04/17/2010
For some reason a lot of people, including Mr. Ebert, seem to forget that just because a movie is about children, it doesn't mean that it's intended for children. Movies have ratings for a reason. If this were a black and white European art house film about a 11 year old prostitute, Ebert would be declaring it Oscar worthy.
For some reason a lot of people, including Mr. Ebert, seem to forget that just because a movie is about children, it doesn't mean that it's intended for children. Movies have ratings for a reason. If this were a black and white European art house film about a 11 year old prostitute, Ebert would be declaring it Oscar worthy.
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9:16PM on 04/16/2010

UGH!

I just lost a lot of respect for Ebert. That review was just ridiculous.
I just lost a lot of respect for Ebert. That review was just ridiculous.
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5:05PM on 04/16/2010
Ebert misses the point of the satire. Big Daddy and Hit Girl are Batman and Robin. In DC Comics you see the young Robin portrayed as a crimefighter by night, and a normal schoolboy by day.

Hit Girl is the reality. You raise someone in that violence, they come to revel in it. Again, I say it's time for Ebert to hang up his pen.
Ebert misses the point of the satire. Big Daddy and Hit Girl are Batman and Robin. In DC Comics you see the young Robin portrayed as a crimefighter by night, and a normal schoolboy by day.

Hit Girl is the reality. You raise someone in that violence, they come to revel in it. Again, I say it's time for Ebert to hang up his pen.
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9:17PM on 04/16/2010
Ebert didnt miss the point, YOU missed Ebert's point.
Ebert didnt miss the point, YOU missed Ebert's point.
3:00PM on 04/17/2010
What? That Ebert is a hypocrite? He throughly enjoyed Natalie Portman in The Professional as an 8 year old trying to seduce a hitman so that she could learn from him to avenge her family, but he doesn't 'get the satire' of Hit Girl?

Dude, I read his article. It's the ramblings of a tired old man that just doesn't understand anymore.
What? That Ebert is a hypocrite? He throughly enjoyed Natalie Portman in The Professional as an 8 year old trying to seduce a hitman so that she could learn from him to avenge her family, but he doesn't 'get the satire' of Hit Girl?

Dude, I read his article. It's the ramblings of a tired old man that just doesn't understand anymore.
4:10PM on 04/16/2010
I have read a couple of comments, and I come to the conclusion that most of you havent even read the Roger Ebert review. So why are you even commenting ?
I have read a couple of comments, and I come to the conclusion that most of you havent even read the Roger Ebert review. So why are you even commenting ?
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3:30PM on 04/16/2010

So what?

Roger Ebert doesn't like this? So what. He's entitled to his own tastes. It won't make any difference to ticket sales. People who listen to Roger for movie advice probably wouldn't like the movie anyway. It's not aimed at them. The movie is aimed at people like those who follow this website or Aint-It-Cool. I don't know 'bout you but I still want to see this film dispite what Roger said. I have my own personal tastes and don't rely on someone to tell me what to like.
Roger Ebert doesn't like this? So what. He's entitled to his own tastes. It won't make any difference to ticket sales. People who listen to Roger for movie advice probably wouldn't like the movie anyway. It's not aimed at them. The movie is aimed at people like those who follow this website or Aint-It-Cool. I don't know 'bout you but I still want to see this film dispite what Roger said. I have my own personal tastes and don't rely on someone to tell me what to like.
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3:36PM on 04/17/2010
This site allows for it's members to give their opinions. So stating he's entitled to his own tastes implies we should have our own opinions on the issue. Personally he was too judgemental. I haven't read the full review but above at least not once did it mention he had a problem with pacing, acting, dialogue or other movie component. He isn't Jesus so he should stick to the problems with the movie not personal character attacks.
This site allows for it's members to give their opinions. So stating he's entitled to his own tastes implies we should have our own opinions on the issue. Personally he was too judgemental. I haven't read the full review but above at least not once did it mention he had a problem with pacing, acting, dialogue or other movie component. He isn't Jesus so he should stick to the problems with the movie not personal character attacks.
3:38PM on 04/17/2010
excuse me I mean.... implies we shouldn't have our own opinions.....
excuse me I mean.... implies we shouldn't have our own opinions.....
3:03PM on 04/16/2010

This movie is Rated R

Ok First off, This movie has an R rating, so 11-year-olds shouldn't be watching this movie. Judging from the trailers I've seen the R-rating is appropriate. As an adult, i look forward to this movie cause it does indeed look like a lot of fun. This movie has an R rating, and the producers didn't limit it's content to bring it down to a PG or PG 13 rating, so judging by that, they're confident that and Adult audience will enjoy it and pay to see it. Do i tihnk teenagers will eventually see this
Ok First off, This movie has an R rating, so 11-year-olds shouldn't be watching this movie. Judging from the trailers I've seen the R-rating is appropriate. As an adult, i look forward to this movie cause it does indeed look like a lot of fun. This movie has an R rating, and the producers didn't limit it's content to bring it down to a PG or PG 13 rating, so judging by that, they're confident that and Adult audience will enjoy it and pay to see it. Do i tihnk teenagers will eventually see this movie, of course, this movie shouldn't be for 11 year olds, even though i saw Predator when i was 11 (on movie network) doesn't mean that there's a direct correlation of film violence to teenage violence. I think angry music probably has more of an effect on the emotional status of teenagers then violent movies.
But more directly, if you want to take a look at the correlation of violence to children and teens, look no further then the parents. Parents, now a days are no longer responsible for thier kids actions, as the primary care-giver, i think the home environment should be looked at more so, then the violent films and video games.
Roger Ebert, is a respected film critic, but i think this new generation of film escapes him due to his age. This film isn't meant for grand-pa to enjoy, but meant for 20-somethings who want to see some adult content in film for once. I mean what kind of a world do we live in, when Aliens Vs. Predator is rated PG? WTF is that?

but i'm ranting...
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10:57AM on 04/16/2010
I still have zero interest in this movie
I still have zero interest in this movie
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8:57AM on 04/16/2010

R

the movie is rated R anyway, so the only way for a kid to see it is to go with an adult, supposely a parent. So if a kid becomes an homicidal maniac afterward, the ONLY responsable would be THE PARENT, NOT THE MOVIE !
Therefor, they take the kid or not to see this movie, but they'd better SHUT UP !
the movie is rated R anyway, so the only way for a kid to see it is to go with an adult, supposely a parent. So if a kid becomes an homicidal maniac afterward, the ONLY responsable would be THE PARENT, NOT THE MOVIE !
Therefor, they take the kid or not to see this movie, but they'd better SHUT UP !
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8:53AM on 04/16/2010

R

the movie is rated R anyway, so the only way for a kid to see it is to go with an adult, supposely a parent. So if a kid becomes an homicidal maniac afterward, the ONLY responsable would be THE PARENT, NOT THE MOVIE !
Therefor, they take the kid or not to see this movie, but they'd better SHUT UP !
the movie is rated R anyway, so the only way for a kid to see it is to go with an adult, supposely a parent. So if a kid becomes an homicidal maniac afterward, the ONLY responsable would be THE PARENT, NOT THE MOVIE !
Therefor, they take the kid or not to see this movie, but they'd better SHUT UP !
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8:26AM on 04/16/2010

Out of Touch

Roger Ebert is an out of Touch Douche- Nozzle. Clearly robotman did not take the chance to research the material he was reviewing before he watched it. Or had simply observed the fact that the movie was rated "R" for a reason. Maybe its because I don't no alot of people die and some other stuff that I will withhold for the sake of spoiling. The point im getting at is that yes everyone is entitled to there opinions however he should have realized what he was watching before hand before he rips
Roger Ebert is an out of Touch Douche- Nozzle. Clearly robotman did not take the chance to research the material he was reviewing before he watched it. Or had simply observed the fact that the movie was rated "R" for a reason. Maybe its because I don't no alot of people die and some other stuff that I will withhold for the sake of spoiling. The point im getting at is that yes everyone is entitled to there opinions however he should have realized what he was watching before hand before he rips on the movie or the fans of the comics themselves. This is not Harry Met Sally Ebert adapt to trends or give it up.
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7:22AM on 04/16/2010

IMO

Ebert stopped being relevant when Siskle DIED.
I come HERE to JOBLO to get movie info more often than not, it's a regular stop. I stay away from Knowles' site because IMO it is "exactly what is wrong with Hollywood." While movies are relative to the viewer, (I haven't missed a Fri 13th in theaters since the 4th one including hell/space/vs.) the operative word on his site is "PLANT". I come here because while opinions come out SPIN is less of a factor. Keep up the good work.
Ebert stopped being relevant when Siskle DIED.
I come HERE to JOBLO to get movie info more often than not, it's a regular stop. I stay away from Knowles' site because IMO it is "exactly what is wrong with Hollywood." While movies are relative to the viewer, (I haven't missed a Fri 13th in theaters since the 4th one including hell/space/vs.) the operative word on his site is "PLANT". I come here because while opinions come out SPIN is less of a factor. Keep up the good work.
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6:59AM on 04/16/2010

though one to agree on...

on one hand i do think it´s a rather "strong" movie for kids to watch, but then again, the movie is R rated, so if kids go watch it, it´s on their parents. hollywood have made their part by rating it R.

having said that, i can´t wait for this movie to hit the theatre :P

P.S. regarding the tibit, Knowing? really? i can´t believe that, the movie was awfull :S
on one hand i do think it´s a rather "strong" movie for kids to watch, but then again, the movie is R rated, so if kids go watch it, it´s on their parents. hollywood have made their part by rating it R.

having said that, i can´t wait for this movie to hit the theatre :P

P.S. regarding the tibit, Knowing? really? i can´t believe that, the movie was awfull :S
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1:30AM on 04/16/2010

What?

Knowles defending the film? Did they haul him to the set, kiss his ass and give him free shit?
Knowles defending the film? Did they haul him to the set, kiss his ass and give him free shit?
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12:49AM on 04/16/2010
Frankly, if the girl were 6 years older (17), Ebert would eat this violence up as he has with Tarantino's movies which have shown the same (if not more graphic) violence done by girls not much older than Hit Girl.

So all I have to say is it may be time to power down Ebert's robot voice box so that he can let the hypocrisy sink in a little.
Frankly, if the girl were 6 years older (17), Ebert would eat this violence up as he has with Tarantino's movies which have shown the same (if not more graphic) violence done by girls not much older than Hit Girl.

So all I have to say is it may be time to power down Ebert's robot voice box so that he can let the hypocrisy sink in a little.
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3:03PM on 04/16/2010
WTF are you talking about, all the violent women in Tarantino movies have been over the age of 20 or so. Where as this kick-ass girl is 11. BIG fucking difference as she hasn't even hit puberty yet.
WTF are you talking about, all the violent women in Tarantino movies have been over the age of 20 or so. Where as this kick-ass girl is 11. BIG fucking difference as she hasn't even hit puberty yet.
4:59PM on 04/16/2010
Gogo in Kill Bill was 17 years old when she was swinging that spiked ball around. And Ebert loved her for it.

The Hypocrisy of his statement stands.
Gogo in Kill Bill was 17 years old when she was swinging that spiked ball around. And Ebert loved her for it.

The Hypocrisy of his statement stands.
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12:48AM on 04/16/2010
I think Ebert has a point. Not only would an 11 year old be affected by killing people, but if this movie is supposed to be what would really happen if you tired to be a hero, she'd be dead 10 min into it.
I think Ebert has a point. Not only would an 11 year old be affected by killing people, but if this movie is supposed to be what would really happen if you tired to be a hero, she'd be dead 10 min into it.
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3:46PM on 04/17/2010
this isn't real life. obviously an 11 year old would die very very quickly. but it's fake, it's a movie, not real life. so have fun with it.
this isn't real life. obviously an 11 year old would die very very quickly. but it's fake, it's a movie, not real life. so have fun with it.
12:09AM on 04/16/2010
I dont think Ebert says kids are the target audience, but says kids will want to see it because kids are in it.

I also think he makes a valid point about the morality of the film, but doesnt mean I agree with him.
I dont think Ebert says kids are the target audience, but says kids will want to see it because kids are in it.

I also think he makes a valid point about the morality of the film, but doesnt mean I agree with him.
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12:00AM on 04/16/2010
kick-ass kicks ass and all but I agree with Ebert that Hit-Girl was stone cold in the movie. The comic did a much better job of showing Hit Girl as an emotional little human being
kick-ass kicks ass and all but I agree with Ebert that Hit-Girl was stone cold in the movie. The comic did a much better job of showing Hit Girl as an emotional little human being
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11:34PM on 04/15/2010

Now Having Read Both Articles...

in full, it does pain me to say that Ebert is simply wrong. Don't misunderstand me, he's not wrong for not liking the film, an opinion is an opinion, but he's wrong for seeming to think that this movie is somehow targeted and aimed for kids. Don't ask, I'm a little confused by that.

Knowles, whom I generally don't care for, hell, I don't care for all of AICN much, makes a fair point, but doesn't go far enough with his proposition. But, is at least viewing the film as a movie, not as some
in full, it does pain me to say that Ebert is simply wrong. Don't misunderstand me, he's not wrong for not liking the film, an opinion is an opinion, but he's wrong for seeming to think that this movie is somehow targeted and aimed for kids. Don't ask, I'm a little confused by that.

Knowles, whom I generally don't care for, hell, I don't care for all of AICN much, makes a fair point, but doesn't go far enough with his proposition. But, is at least viewing the film as a movie, not as some sort of educational tool, as Ebert did.
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11:21PM on 04/15/2010
I respect Ebert but reviews like these make me think he is out of touch at times.
I respect Ebert but reviews like these make me think he is out of touch at times.
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10:45PM on 04/15/2010

Roger...

has got it wrong...And he gave 'Death at a funeral' 3&1/2stars on the same week....
has got it wrong...And he gave 'Death at a funeral' 3&1/2stars on the same week....
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9:51PM on 04/15/2010
The bigger problem I have is the headline Harry ran for his review. Not exactly a great first line there. I dont get up in arms over any review really, opinion is just that. Ebert isnt right in my eyes but Harry isnt a third of the critic Roger is. AIC is a joke with good DVD sales. Thats about it.
The bigger problem I have is the headline Harry ran for his review. Not exactly a great first line there. I dont get up in arms over any review really, opinion is just that. Ebert isnt right in my eyes but Harry isnt a third of the critic Roger is. AIC is a joke with good DVD sales. Thats about it.
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9:50PM on 04/15/2010

Critics Critiquing Critics

Have to say I always perfered Siskel's jawboning than Ebert's. (What not like Siskel went on f'n Oprah prior to dying)
As to Hairy, anybody really think that guy wouldn't blow the guy who knew the guy who made the latest hipster film just to get to the front of the line and to get "access"!?!?
It's easy, kids are not the target demographic here and Hollywood will gladly take thier money from what ever theater is lax enough to sell the ticket.(We would buy a ticket for the PG and jump screens)
Have to say I always perfered Siskel's jawboning than Ebert's. (What not like Siskel went on f'n Oprah prior to dying)
As to Hairy, anybody really think that guy wouldn't blow the guy who knew the guy who made the latest hipster film just to get to the front of the line and to get "access"!?!?
It's easy, kids are not the target demographic here and Hollywood will gladly take thier money from what ever theater is lax enough to sell the ticket.(We would buy a ticket for the PG and jump screens)
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8:57PM on 04/15/2010

Sorry

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8:54PM on 04/15/2010

Ehhh

The whole "that's how kids talk!" defense is kind of silly, as no, not many 11 year old girls, or 21 year old girls, have a mouth like hit girl. Not many people in general do. Isn't part of her gimmick to be overtly un-PC? Why shouldn't an 11 year old starring in a in fetishized gun-play strike some people as off? It is off, and it's off on purpose. If you're going to deliver a cheap shock, don't blame people for recognizing it as such. That's not the same as demanding the movie be pulled
The whole "that's how kids talk!" defense is kind of silly, as no, not many 11 year old girls, or 21 year old girls, have a mouth like hit girl. Not many people in general do. Isn't part of her gimmick to be overtly un-PC? Why shouldn't an 11 year old starring in a in fetishized gun-play strike some people as off? It is off, and it's off on purpose. If you're going to deliver a cheap shock, don't blame people for recognizing it as such. That's not the same as demanding the movie be pulled from theaters.
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7:23PM on 04/15/2010
I for one went on a killing spree as a child after watching 3 Ninjas. Hi-ya!
I for one went on a killing spree as a child after watching 3 Ninjas. Hi-ya!
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3:51PM on 04/17/2010
or Ferngully
or Ferngully
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6:42PM on 04/15/2010

Wow poor call Roger

That girl was the best thing about the movie, it's been out in Ireland the past 2 weeks and everyone in the screen i was in loved every word she said.
Also, although knowing was awful, Bad lieutenant was pretty incredible!
That girl was the best thing about the movie, it's been out in Ireland the past 2 weeks and everyone in the screen i was in loved every word she said.
Also, although knowing was awful, Bad lieutenant was pretty incredible!
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6:35PM on 04/15/2010
Haven't seen the film yet (tix for the arclight tonight:) but in the comic there is a really cool scene (COMIC SPOILER) after Hit Girl does all her crazy shit when she breaks down emotionally. I really, really hope they've kept that in the film because it was a great moment and really humanized her.
Haven't seen the film yet (tix for the arclight tonight:) but in the comic there is a really cool scene (COMIC SPOILER) after Hit Girl does all her crazy shit when she breaks down emotionally. I really, really hope they've kept that in the film because it was a great moment and really humanized her.
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8:56AM on 04/16/2010
as far as I remember, this scene is NOT in the movie.
as far as I remember, this scene is NOT in the movie.
6:30PM on 04/15/2010

What the f*ck Roger Ebert?

Jackass Number Two was much better for kids I guess?
Jackass Number Two was much better for kids I guess?
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6:49PM on 04/15/2010
You missed the point. They are not kids in Jackass Number Two.
You missed the point. They are not kids in Jackass Number Two.
6:29PM on 04/15/2010

HAHAHA@ the_soloist -13

Think both of these guys are taking the movie too seriously, kids are gonna be kids regardless of what some girl does in a movie. I for one will be attending the 120clock tonight.

Keep post soloist. i enjoy reading your comments
Think both of these guys are taking the movie too seriously, kids are gonna be kids regardless of what some girl does in a movie. I for one will be attending the 120clock tonight.

Keep post soloist. i enjoy reading your comments
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5:55PM on 04/15/2010

Battle of The Wheelchairs!!!!

Talk about a whole another type of Kick-Ass
Talk about a whole another type of Kick-Ass
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6:26PM on 04/15/2010
You are my hero for this.
You are my hero for this.
8:34PM on 04/16/2010
No Problem, I was expecting to get a lot of hate for it.
No Problem, I was expecting to get a lot of hate for it.
5:45PM on 04/15/2010

CRITICS HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT PEOPLE WATCH

If they did CLASH OF THE TITANS wouldn't have been #1. and people act like violence didn't exist before tv was invented. I'd say we live in less violent times than most in history because people can channel their aggressions with games and movies. Also violent media doesn't cause people to commit violent acts some people are just crazy. Did jack the ripper play to much GTA ?
If they did CLASH OF THE TITANS wouldn't have been #1. and people act like violence didn't exist before tv was invented. I'd say we live in less violent times than most in history because people can channel their aggressions with games and movies. Also violent media doesn't cause people to commit violent acts some people are just crazy. Did jack the ripper play to much GTA ?
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5:23PM on 04/15/2010
I respect both men and occasionally read both of their reviews but when it's a movie like Kick-Ass I could care less what they say... I know what to expect and already made up my mind if I'm going to see it.

completely unrelated, but it makes me laugh seeing every post the_soloist writes, good or bad, get thumbs down repeatedly.
I respect both men and occasionally read both of their reviews but when it's a movie like Kick-Ass I could care less what they say... I know what to expect and already made up my mind if I'm going to see it.

completely unrelated, but it makes me laugh seeing every post the_soloist writes, good or bad, get thumbs down repeatedly.
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5:14PM on 04/15/2010

It's your money...

[link] cares who opinion matters....Go out and enjoy (or not) the flick...
[link] cares who opinion matters....Go out and enjoy (or not) the flick...
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5:10PM on 04/15/2010

Hate to break it to you fellas, it's a comic book.

Comic book logic doesn't have to equal real life logic. Sometimes I want to read about realistic crime thrillers, and sometimes I want to read about an 11 year old girl killing mofos.
Comic book logic doesn't have to equal real life logic. Sometimes I want to read about realistic crime thrillers, and sometimes I want to read about an 11 year old girl killing mofos.
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5:10PM on 04/15/2010
Critics deeming films irresponsible is always tricky because so many people have different sets of values and morals. In my opinion, he should not be judging the film based off of his moral standpoint. He did the same thing with "Fight Club" in 1999. It's interesting to see what he deems too violent and what just comes as irresponsible because he seems to not have a problem with Tarantino & The Coen Brothers.

I haven't seen Kick Ass yet, but I know a lot of people felt Fight Club was morally
Critics deeming films irresponsible is always tricky because so many people have different sets of values and morals. In my opinion, he should not be judging the film based off of his moral standpoint. He did the same thing with "Fight Club" in 1999. It's interesting to see what he deems too violent and what just comes as irresponsible because he seems to not have a problem with Tarantino & The Coen Brothers.

I haven't seen Kick Ass yet, but I know a lot of people felt Fight Club was morally irresponsible at the time and I think a lot of that came from critics who simply should not be reviewing a film called Fight Club (or Kick Ass for that matter) if they're sensitive to excessive violence or from hardcore capitalists fearing a film that is essentially a 2 hour stylized protest against the very idea of capitalism.

At the end of the day, maybe they're just extremely entertaining and fun and pure escapism for people who would never actually go out and do the things these characters do.
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4:54PM on 04/15/2010
In the end, it's just two people's opinion and neither one is right or wrong. It's simply a review. And if you're a fan of Ebert's, he generally doesn't go for movies like this, say Fight Club (similar anarchy slant), which he gave two stars to, but Knowing he loved as much as Dark City.
In the end, it's just two people's opinion and neither one is right or wrong. It's simply a review. And if you're a fan of Ebert's, he generally doesn't go for movies like this, say Fight Club (similar anarchy slant), which he gave two stars to, but Knowing he loved as much as Dark City.
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4:45PM on 04/15/2010
Ebert's an idiot. That's all. The character of Hit Girl is so creatively original, he can't wrap his simple mind around it.
Ebert's an idiot. That's all. The character of Hit Girl is so creatively original, he can't wrap his simple mind around it.
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8:41PM on 04/15/2010
...That's the fucking stupidest thing I've heard all day.
...That's the fucking stupidest thing I've heard all day.
4:37PM on 04/15/2010
2 movies that got bad reviews that Ebert stood up for were Marie Antoinette and Knowing, so props to him b/c I loved those movies. But even before his review came out I thought to myself "I bet Kick-Ass will be the kind of flick that gets 3 and a half stars from Ebert" boy was I wrong. But his review in no way changes my excitement for KICK-ASS. Give him a pass. He can be wrong. He's human. Just read his review for THE LONGEST YARD and how he desperately tries justifying giving it 3 stars.
2 movies that got bad reviews that Ebert stood up for were Marie Antoinette and Knowing, so props to him b/c I loved those movies. But even before his review came out I thought to myself "I bet Kick-Ass will be the kind of flick that gets 3 and a half stars from Ebert" boy was I wrong. But his review in no way changes my excitement for KICK-ASS. Give him a pass. He can be wrong. He's human. Just read his review for THE LONGEST YARD and how he desperately tries justifying giving it 3 stars. Hilarious.

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4:28PM on 04/15/2010

its up to the viewer

I disagree with anyone who gets flustered about all this nonsense. One critic will always disagree with another and so on. It is an opinion-based occupation Ebert, Knowles, and all critics alike obtain. Therefore, neither Ebert nor Knowles should get shit for their critique of the film.

Everyone will forget about this when Inception blows everything else out of the water this year.
I disagree with anyone who gets flustered about all this nonsense. One critic will always disagree with another and so on. It is an opinion-based occupation Ebert, Knowles, and all critics alike obtain. Therefore, neither Ebert nor Knowles should get shit for their critique of the film.

Everyone will forget about this when Inception blows everything else out of the water this year.
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4:04PM on 04/15/2010

THANX ...

... for the spoilers ...
... for the spoilers ...
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4:24PM on 04/15/2010
What spoilers?
What spoilers?
3:40PM on 04/15/2010

Well Said Paul

I think both reviewers are going extreme and I think Ebert is a hypocrite for starting his career writing softcore porn, then criticizing films like this. I find myself agreeing more with Knowles, but he goes a little over the top with his opinion too. I think Paul's summation is the right way to look at it.
I think both reviewers are going extreme and I think Ebert is a hypocrite for starting his career writing softcore porn, then criticizing films like this. I find myself agreeing more with Knowles, but he goes a little over the top with his opinion too. I think Paul's summation is the right way to look at it.
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4:17PM on 04/15/2010
unless he was writing softcore porn for children, there is nothing hypocritical about his past and his review of the movie and your reduction is insultingly simplistic.
unless he was writing softcore porn for children, there is nothing hypocritical about his past and his review of the movie and your reduction is insultingly simplistic.
5:15PM on 04/15/2010
To imply that Kick Ass is written for children is ignorant. To reduce comic book movies to being a kids medium is incredibly insulting and idiotic. The majority of comics aren't read or consumed by children anymore. So your argument against me saying he is a hypocrite only applies if you are ignorant of the facts of this book and comics in general. And I wasn't trying to overly analyze every aspect of his review. I was giving a short quick opinion based on my analysis. My words were no more
To imply that Kick Ass is written for children is ignorant. To reduce comic book movies to being a kids medium is incredibly insulting and idiotic. The majority of comics aren't read or consumed by children anymore. So your argument against me saying he is a hypocrite only applies if you are ignorant of the facts of this book and comics in general. And I wasn't trying to overly analyze every aspect of his review. I was giving a short quick opinion based on my analysis. My words were no more insultingly simplistic than your response.
9:19AM on 04/16/2010
He didn't imply that Kick Ass was for children, he said your point about Ebert being hypocritical because of his past made no sense.
He didn't imply that Kick Ass was for children, he said your point about Ebert being hypocritical because of his past made no sense.
4:15PM on 04/17/2010
Ebert is saying it's wrong that HitGirl isn't affected by what she is doing. So if Ebert wrote softcore porn shouldn't his characters be affected by all the morally/realistically incorrect decisions they make like a woman sleeping with her man's brother, friend and boss after a fight?
Ebert is saying it's wrong that HitGirl isn't affected by what she is doing. So if Ebert wrote softcore porn shouldn't his characters be affected by all the morally/realistically incorrect decisions they make like a woman sleeping with her man's brother, friend and boss after a fight?
3:31PM on 04/15/2010

Ebert's just jealous

that he can't kick ass like Hit Girl can. But Ebert can kick cancer in the ass, which is what he did.
that he can't kick ass like Hit Girl can. But Ebert can kick cancer in the ass, which is what he did.
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3:28PM on 04/15/2010
She was raised to be who she is. Her moral barometer is different than "a normal kid". End of story. She is a product of her father, she's not just a regular girl, therefore she's not going to mentally process the carnage like a normal kid would. Ebert is being a way hyper critical.
She was raised to be who she is. Her moral barometer is different than "a normal kid". End of story. She is a product of her father, she's not just a regular girl, therefore she's not going to mentally process the carnage like a normal kid would. Ebert is being a way hyper critical.
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4:18PM on 04/15/2010
he's being hyper critical says the person being over-analytical. now that's f'ing funny.
he's being hyper critical says the person being over-analytical. now that's f'ing funny.
3:16PM on 04/15/2010

Harry misses Ebert's point

His main point is that the movie starts looking like a satire, then "moves into a dark, dark territory".

I don't mind movies that have 11 year old girl killing everybody but there is a tone where it's acceptable and a tone where it's not. When you have a character like Hit Girl, your film has to be a farce through and through, not take itself seriously like most superhero movies. Kick Ass really looks like it's trying to have it both ways.
His main point is that the movie starts looking like a satire, then "moves into a dark, dark territory".

I don't mind movies that have 11 year old girl killing everybody but there is a tone where it's acceptable and a tone where it's not. When you have a character like Hit Girl, your film has to be a farce through and through, not take itself seriously like most superhero movies. Kick Ass really looks like it's trying to have it both ways.
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8:57PM on 04/15/2010
Good point indeed.
Good point indeed.
3:14PM on 04/15/2010
Kick Ass looks awesome, can't wait to see it. You think Ebert would have liked this movie since he did put TWO OTHER Nic Cage movies in his top ten list of 2009.
Kick Ass looks awesome, can't wait to see it. You think Ebert would have liked this movie since he did put TWO OTHER Nic Cage movies in his top ten list of 2009.
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3:09PM on 04/15/2010

KNOWING SPOILER!!!

I thought Knowing was actually pretty decent until it unraveled with the idiotic aliens shit at the end. It was all building up to a far more supernatural explanation, and then "Ha, tricked you. Fucking aliens". Apparently the original script stayed ghostly, and Alex Proyas changed it to space people.
I thought Knowing was actually pretty decent until it unraveled with the idiotic aliens shit at the end. It was all building up to a far more supernatural explanation, and then "Ha, tricked you. Fucking aliens". Apparently the original script stayed ghostly, and Alex Proyas changed it to space people.
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3:04PM on 04/15/2010
In my opinion, it all comes down to one thing, its a freaking movie.
In my opinion, it all comes down to one thing, its a freaking movie.
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2:57PM on 04/15/2010
I am a big fan of Ebert, but I saw this coming a mile away. In spite of the man being a living legend he makes moves that are quite annoying. In his I Spit on Your Grave review, he urged people to stop being friends with people who liked the movie. I'm not surprised he didn't consider the context behind the story and of Hit Girl's origins and just assumed that an 11 year old killing people was just wrong. The whole point is that Hit Girl was raised to be desensitized by violence because she
I am a big fan of Ebert, but I saw this coming a mile away. In spite of the man being a living legend he makes moves that are quite annoying. In his I Spit on Your Grave review, he urged people to stop being friends with people who liked the movie. I'm not surprised he didn't consider the context behind the story and of Hit Girl's origins and just assumed that an 11 year old killing people was just wrong. The whole point is that Hit Girl was raised to be desensitized by violence because she fancies herself a superhero. The hyper violence is all apart of the game. Oh well this is turning out to be a fun little duel, Ebert who I love but don't agree with and Harry who I can't stand but agree with.
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