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Has the Cinemacon reaction to The Hobbit's 48fps footage soured the film?

04.25.2012

With great anticipation, Peter Jackson (via video message) unveiled ten minutes of THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY to audiences at Cinemacon, which is shot at 48fps, doubling the frame rate from the usual 24fps.  Since Jackson announced his intention to up the frame rate we have all been curious to see the results.

And, now that they're in, it doesn't look so good. 

Apparently, the 48fps footage presented left those in attendance with an almost shocked feeling at just how off-puting the frame rate was.  The first shots shown were sweeping mountains that embodied the traditional "journey" shots from the original LOTR trilogy and were met with amazement, both in detail and scope.  However, it seemed like a ruse once the actual actors and sets were shown.

"There will be plenty for fans to savor. However, the richness of Jackson’s imagery, while beautiful, was marred because the 48 frames made each scene too crisp, if that’s possible. It looked more real, in fact — too real. Instead of an immersive cinematic experience, Middle Earth looked like it was captured as part of a filmed stage play,” said The Wrap.

A reporter from Bad Ass Digest said the footage looked like, "a hi-def version of the 1970s I, Claudius. It is drenched in a TV-like – specifically 70s era BBC – video look. People on Twitter have asked if it has that soap opera look you get from badly calibrated TVs at Best Buy, and the answer is an emphatic YES."  He went on to say, "The magical illusion of cinema is stripped away completely.”

The LA Times said, “It looked like a made-for-TV movie,” said one projectionist, who requested anonymity because of his affiliation with a competing studio. “It was too accurate — too clear. The contrast ratio isn’t there yet — everything looked either too bright or black.”

Lastly, Collider's report said, "The bad news is the 48fps is so jarring that I’m not sure casual moviegoers will enjoy it. While I figured the image quality would improve at 48fps, it’s like looking at real life on a movie screen and not in a good way. You no longer have motion blur. You no longer can hide stuff in the darkness. While watching Bilbo fight the trolls (which looked great), it looked like nothing I’ve ever seen projected on a movie screen. Granted the visual effects weren’t done and the lighting wasn’t finalized, but it was such a change that by the end of the presentation, I wasn’t sure I wanted to watch the entire movie in this new 48fps format. This is definitely not what I expected to say. Ultimately, it just didn’t look cinematic and it sort of looked like HD TV. Perhaps shooting at 48fps and then projecting at 24fps will solve my issues. Who knows.”

For those not in the know about the frame rate, here's a general walk through: Frame rate refers to the number of images displayed by a projector within one second. The cinema standard has been 24 fps for many decades.  With the advent of digital film, Jackson has decided to experiment with bumping the rate up to twice the size in order to capitalize on the new medium.

So, does this mean that THE HOBBIT films are in trouble?  Are audiences not ready for such a drastic change in frame rates?  I can remember seeing HDTV for the first time and being completely blindsided; however, now that I've adjusted, I wouldn't watch anything but HD.  Will we adjust to 48fps or will the standard 24fps stay in place?

I'll reserve judgment until I see the actual film, but I find the negative reactions by movie afficionados to be a little alarming.  Did Jackson show too much too soon, perhaps?

What do you guys think about this?

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Extra Tidbit: Do people still buy DVD's? Whenever I see them at the store I think of CD's or VHS tapes, just hanging around until people finally just let them go and embrace the new hotness. Technology can be a bitch to keep up with, I suppose...
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3:19AM on 04/27/2012
TruMotion and Auto Motion Plus have unfairly given increased frame rates a bad rap. Those aren't true higher frame rates, it's a TV faking a higher frame rate. Your movie is at 24fps and there's no way to get more frames out of that, so the TV creates the frames to insert between and make it look like a higher frame rate. You are taking a movie that was filmed with a camera that costs as much as some houses, then using the TV set you bought at Best Buy to try an improve the way that camera shot
TruMotion and Auto Motion Plus have unfairly given increased frame rates a bad rap. Those aren't true higher frame rates, it's a TV faking a higher frame rate. Your movie is at 24fps and there's no way to get more frames out of that, so the TV creates the frames to insert between and make it look like a higher frame rate. You are taking a movie that was filmed with a camera that costs as much as some houses, then using the TV set you bought at Best Buy to try an improve the way that camera shot its footage. This technology is guessing at what is missing between the frames and doing it's best to make up the difference.

There's been a lot of really decent looking stuff shot at higher frame rates, like scenes in Collateral and sporting events. So I hope that the issues with the footage they showed of The Hobbit have more to do with them not being done with post-production stuff and less to do with the frame rate. I have the feeling that the increased frame rate made the lack of post-production look worse because you could see it more clearly.

Of course, I really just hope the movie doesn't look horrible, but I have a feeling that people might be rushing to blame the new kid in class when it comes to this footage not looking right. I'd hope Jackson and company did enough test footage as to not end up with a couple hours of worthless looking footage.

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10:11AM on 04/26/2012

TIDBIT: *YES*

I have a Blu Ray player and a DVD player, both hooked up to my HDTV. I was severely let down by the fact that Blu Ray just has no serious improvement over DVD. Paying an extra 5 bucks, plus the inconvenience of needing my Blu Ray hooked up to the fucking internet just to work is a serious flaw. Fuck Blu Ray...it's gotten to the point that technology has surpassed what the human eye and brain need and can distinguish between.
I have a Blu Ray player and a DVD player, both hooked up to my HDTV. I was severely let down by the fact that Blu Ray just has no serious improvement over DVD. Paying an extra 5 bucks, plus the inconvenience of needing my Blu Ray hooked up to the fucking internet just to work is a serious flaw. Fuck Blu Ray...it's gotten to the point that technology has surpassed what the human eye and brain need and can distinguish between.
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9:11PM on 04/26/2012
the fact that bluray has no improvement over dvd? how is that a fact? the numbers say otherwise. i, for one, can tell a distinct difference between HD and SD. i dont think im the only one...
the fact that bluray has no improvement over dvd? how is that a fact? the numbers say otherwise. i, for one, can tell a distinct difference between HD and SD. i dont think im the only one...
9:39PM on 04/26/2012
Are you serious? Full HD movies blow SD movies away so easily. You either have bad eyesight or your "HDTV" is miniature or a generic brand
Are you serious? Full HD movies blow SD movies away so easily. You either have bad eyesight or your "HDTV" is miniature or a generic brand
8:44AM on 04/26/2012

Great Comment

I love the comment from Cupajoe...that is so true bro! New tech sometimes needs to marinate some before it is appreciated. Go Jackson!
I love the comment from Cupajoe...that is so true bro! New tech sometimes needs to marinate some before it is appreciated. Go Jackson!
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2:49AM on 04/26/2012
so it looks like something you'd see on the discovery channel? Like Man vs Wild? I still buy blu-ray's but I buy em for the extra behind the scenes stuff.
so it looks like something you'd see on the discovery channel? Like Man vs Wild? I still buy blu-ray's but I buy em for the extra behind the scenes stuff.
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1:28AM on 04/26/2012
Just rewatched the hd trailer and kinda noticed some of the concerns (now that I know what I'm looking for). It is weird not having things like motion blur, but I have faith the strong lighting and cinematography will help things and it'll be something I can get accustomed to and possibly even appreciate over the corse of 2+ hours
Just rewatched the hd trailer and kinda noticed some of the concerns (now that I know what I'm looking for). It is weird not having things like motion blur, but I have faith the strong lighting and cinematography will help things and it'll be something I can get accustomed to and possibly even appreciate over the corse of 2+ hours
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1:25AM on 04/26/2012
How odd. Never expected a problem like this to arise. Here's to hoping it doesn't affect the final product *takes drink*
How odd. Never expected a problem like this to arise. Here's to hoping it doesn't affect the final product *takes drink*
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12:16AM on 04/26/2012
Since the trailer was shown in 24 fps. Can they down-convert to show the movie at 24 fps? I understand that once its filmed at that rate they cant change it but comments here suggested they could still project it at 24 and solve the apparent problems.
Since the trailer was shown in 24 fps. Can they down-convert to show the movie at 24 fps? I understand that once its filmed at that rate they cant change it but comments here suggested they could still project it at 24 and solve the apparent problems.
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10:08PM on 04/25/2012
I once had a friend whose HDTV had the amazing ability to make any big Hollywood movie look like cheap made for TV shit. This sounds strikingly familiar. Boo! Boo, good sir!
I once had a friend whose HDTV had the amazing ability to make any big Hollywood movie look like cheap made for TV shit. This sounds strikingly familiar. Boo! Boo, good sir!
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9:28PM on 04/25/2012

Tidbit

I started buying blurays a few years back thinking I would only get the movies that would benfit from the HD format like action and sci-fi, and leave the comedies and such for DVD. But I'm so accustom to bluray now that DVDs just look plain awful. So now I don't bother buying DVDs. My girlfriend on the other hand can't tell the difference -_-
I started buying blurays a few years back thinking I would only get the movies that would benfit from the HD format like action and sci-fi, and leave the comedies and such for DVD. But I'm so accustom to bluray now that DVDs just look plain awful. So now I don't bother buying DVDs. My girlfriend on the other hand can't tell the difference -_-
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9:49PM on 04/25/2012
Same here.
Same here.
9:51PM on 04/25/2012
How funny. The same exact thing happened to me.
How funny. The same exact thing happened to me.
11:11PM on 04/25/2012
haha, I had the same idea at first - buy blurays for the special effects and nothing else. But in the end, once you go blu, you can never go back.
haha, I had the same idea at first - buy blurays for the special effects and nothing else. But in the end, once you go blu, you can never go back.
10:20AM on 04/26/2012
Weird. Not trolling, but I just don't see it. Was seriously let down when I finally bought a Blu Ray player and found it no better than DVDs.
Weird. Not trolling, but I just don't see it. Was seriously let down when I finally bought a Blu Ray player and found it no better than DVDs.
8:40PM on 04/25/2012
I wonder if it was really that bad. Porn looks fucking awesome @ 60fps.
I wonder if it was really that bad. Porn looks fucking awesome @ 60fps.
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8:56PM on 04/25/2012
I'll bet a 200 million dollar film was shooting for the apparent production value of porn.
I'll bet a 200 million dollar film was shooting for the apparent production value of porn.
7:48PM on 04/25/2012
I bought DVD's until late 2009, started buying blu-rays from then on, but stopped justifying blu-rays around mid-2011. I haven't purchased anything in about 18 months and have no intentions to start again. So much is on demand and on netflix I do not see the point in buying to own.
I bought DVD's until late 2009, started buying blu-rays from then on, but stopped justifying blu-rays around mid-2011. I haven't purchased anything in about 18 months and have no intentions to start again. So much is on demand and on netflix I do not see the point in buying to own.
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8:40PM on 04/25/2012
I agree with you to a large extent there. I foresee movies being on a cloud and/or drive in the future. Carrying around discs is going to be something we laugh about ten or so years from now.
I agree with you to a large extent there. I foresee movies being on a cloud and/or drive in the future. Carrying around discs is going to be something we laugh about ten or so years from now.
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7:44PM on 04/25/2012
If it comes out like this I am sure Peter Jackson is going to have a post guitar solo Marty McFly moment--"I guess you guys are not ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it."
If it comes out like this I am sure Peter Jackson is going to have a post guitar solo Marty McFly moment--"I guess you guys are not ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it."
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10:18AM on 04/26/2012
Excellent comment. Very good analogy.
Excellent comment. Very good analogy.
7:27PM on 04/25/2012
Bitch Bitch Bitch.
Bitch Bitch Bitch.
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7:17PM on 04/25/2012
I still buy DVDs, because sooner or later technology will have to fight for the better quality, which will be Blu-ray versus something else. This will result in one going obsolete, and DVDs will still hang out and being sold.
I still buy DVDs, because sooner or later technology will have to fight for the better quality, which will be Blu-ray versus something else. This will result in one going obsolete, and DVDs will still hang out and being sold.
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12:23AM on 04/26/2012
Nah blu-ray will be the standard till something better comes along. We had the Blu-Ray vs HD battle already when the XBOX 360 came out and Blu-ray won. I waited till that war was over then I started buying blu-rays
Nah blu-ray will be the standard till something better comes along. We had the Blu-Ray vs HD battle already when the XBOX 360 came out and Blu-ray won. I waited till that war was over then I started buying blu-rays
7:03PM on 04/25/2012
It's probably the same thing that happens when I try to watch an old Cinemascope movie with the 120Hz processing feature I have on my LCD TV. It totally alters the entire look of it. Everything is different, like a TV studio look. The way they move, it's all smoothed. Really difficult to describe if you haven't experienced it, but very noticeable. I don't use it much.
It's probably the same thing that happens when I try to watch an old Cinemascope movie with the 120Hz processing feature I have on my LCD TV. It totally alters the entire look of it. Everything is different, like a TV studio look. The way they move, it's all smoothed. Really difficult to describe if you haven't experienced it, but very noticeable. I don't use it much.
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6:37PM on 04/25/2012

More clarity is not always better!

Well to all those who read the word "clarity" and jumped to the conclusion that more is always better, in this case, that is sadly not true. I recently watched X-Men: First Class on my friend's 55 inch LED TV with the TruMotion feature on and it looked HORRIBLE! I think the quote on the article about being able to tell that everything you see is sets and props, describes the way this looks PERFECTLY. I think that the CGI scenes and effects suffer the worst, scenes with the X-Jet looked like
Well to all those who read the word "clarity" and jumped to the conclusion that more is always better, in this case, that is sadly not true. I recently watched X-Men: First Class on my friend's 55 inch LED TV with the TruMotion feature on and it looked HORRIBLE! I think the quote on the article about being able to tell that everything you see is sets and props, describes the way this looks PERFECTLY. I think that the CGI scenes and effects suffer the worst, scenes with the X-Jet looked like something out of a PSOne cutscene! Bottom line is, the "magic" is gone: you can clearly tell that what you see on the screen is a movie, shot on a set and that those swords are actually plastic etc... Let's hope that Peter Jackson will address this issue. I think we should be expecting some sort of comment soon...
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6:29PM on 04/25/2012

tidbit

yes, i buy dvd's. I have a thing called 'friends' that i lend movies to so they can enjoy and vice versa.
yes, i buy dvd's. I have a thing called 'friends' that i lend movies to so they can enjoy and vice versa.
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9:46PM on 04/25/2012
Another interesting thing too is that you can also lend blu-rays.
Another interesting thing too is that you can also lend blu-rays.
8:32AM on 04/26/2012
Yea, and not a lot of my friends have blu-ray nor do they give a shit if a movie is in 100 mhz or shot in 40 fps, or other technical nerd shit. The average person (which is who joblo is supposed to target) doesn't care a whole lot about some of that crap. The masses bought DVD's over VHS because it's more convenient, not for how many dpi it has.
Yea, and not a lot of my friends have blu-ray nor do they give a shit if a movie is in 100 mhz or shot in 40 fps, or other technical nerd shit. The average person (which is who joblo is supposed to target) doesn't care a whole lot about some of that crap. The masses bought DVD's over VHS because it's more convenient, not for how many dpi it has.
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6:15PM on 04/25/2012

Tidbit

Torrents killed the Digital Star...
Torrents killed the Digital Star...
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6:09PM on 04/25/2012
I don't really understand what the complaint, so the movie is too crisp? As in HD, like blu ray? Makes no sense to me. Yes I do still buy DVDs all the time, ya can buy some great movies for cheap now.
I don't really understand what the complaint, so the movie is too crisp? As in HD, like blu ray? Makes no sense to me. Yes I do still buy DVDs all the time, ya can buy some great movies for cheap now.
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6:41PM on 04/25/2012
No, that's not the problem.
No, that's not the problem.
5:35PM on 04/25/2012
Interesting article. Thanks for the quick explanation on frame rate. Tidbit - I still buy dvds because I go between 2 regions and have multi-region dvd players. Wish I had blue ray.
Interesting article. Thanks for the quick explanation on frame rate. Tidbit - I still buy dvds because I go between 2 regions and have multi-region dvd players. Wish I had blue ray.
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5:33PM on 04/25/2012

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I felt the same way watching the HD trailer for that. Even now just re-checking it out on youtube, it just feels like a backstage video or rehearsal footage or something.
I felt the same way watching the HD trailer for that. Even now just re-checking it out on youtube, it just feels like a backstage video or rehearsal footage or something.
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5:30PM on 04/25/2012
Damn. I hope there's no Hobbit nudity.
Damn. I hope there's no Hobbit nudity.
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4:39PM on 04/25/2012

Extra Tidbit....

I dont feel the need to have everything on blu-ray as blu-ray players also play DVD's. Visually striking movies I feel are worth the increased price.
I dont feel the need to have everything on blu-ray as blu-ray players also play DVD's. Visually striking movies I feel are worth the increased price.
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4:32PM on 04/25/2012
"It looked more real, in fact too real" Oh God, I wanna see that! I wanna see 48 fps!

Extra tidbit: Yes, I still buy DVDs, as BluRays are three times more expensive in my country.
"It looked more real, in fact too real" Oh God, I wanna see that! I wanna see 48 fps!

Extra tidbit: Yes, I still buy DVDs, as BluRays are three times more expensive in my country.
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4:35PM on 04/25/2012
But as I posted below, it does not look real. Go into Best Buy and look at a TV with the smooth motion turned on. That is almost exactly what 48fps looks like. (people have said that the smooth motion on these TVs makes the image look too real)
But as I posted below, it does not look real. Go into Best Buy and look at a TV with the smooth motion turned on. That is almost exactly what 48fps looks like. (people have said that the smooth motion on these TVs makes the image look too real)
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4:26PM on 04/25/2012

hmmm

the only thing is that like the one site said was that the effects were not done and the lighting not finalized. Now that might not sound like much but if you've seen the bonus features on LotR then you know that not a single filmed frame was what you got on the screen in the final product. Every single second of those movie got filtered and changed in some way and ti was on a scene to scene basis as well. All i'm saying is while i'm sure the above is an accurate description of what was shown i
the only thing is that like the one site said was that the effects were not done and the lighting not finalized. Now that might not sound like much but if you've seen the bonus features on LotR then you know that not a single filmed frame was what you got on the screen in the final product. Every single second of those movie got filtered and changed in some way and ti was on a scene to scene basis as well. All i'm saying is while i'm sure the above is an accurate description of what was shown i still have faith in Jackson in Co. that they can get it figured out. If anyone can do it its Jackson and Weta Digital!
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4:30PM on 04/25/2012
When they convert it to 24fps it should look just fine (the 24fps trailer did). But the 48fps will always look the same, there isn't anything they can do about that. No filter can affect what the frame rate looks like.
When they convert it to 24fps it should look just fine (the 24fps trailer did). But the 48fps will always look the same, there isn't anything they can do about that. No filter can affect what the frame rate looks like.
6:59PM on 04/25/2012
I dont mean a filter on a lense, but thanks. I'm talking about digital filters where they can manipulate pretty much any aspect of any frame. LotR was scanned from film to digital and back out again and The Hobbit is being filmed digital. What i'm saying is, once again, that there maybe something in post production that could fix this up or at least i would hope there is for my faith in Jackson.
I dont mean a filter on a lense, but thanks. I'm talking about digital filters where they can manipulate pretty much any aspect of any frame. LotR was scanned from film to digital and back out again and The Hobbit is being filmed digital. What i'm saying is, once again, that there maybe something in post production that could fix this up or at least i would hope there is for my faith in Jackson.
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4:22PM on 04/25/2012
I actually thought something about the trailer looked a little off...
I actually thought something about the trailer looked a little off...
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6:56PM on 04/25/2012
The trailer is 24 fps. Soooo...
The trailer is 24 fps. Soooo...
4:15PM on 04/25/2012
The human eye sees motion blur similar to what we see at 24fps. Take the motion blur away and it becomes distractingly over smooth & crisp. 24fps perfectly represents how the human eye sees the world.

There was some study done that says the human eye can see 60fps (some studies say 100fps), but that is inaccurate. The human eye does not see fps at all. 24 fps is the most accurate frame rate for the human eye.
The human eye sees motion blur similar to what we see at 24fps. Take the motion blur away and it becomes distractingly over smooth & crisp. 24fps perfectly represents how the human eye sees the world.

There was some study done that says the human eye can see 60fps (some studies say 100fps), but that is inaccurate. The human eye does not see fps at all. 24 fps is the most accurate frame rate for the human eye.
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5:11PM on 04/25/2012
No, that's just blatantly incorrect.
No, that's just blatantly incorrect.
5:27PM on 04/25/2012
Really? Then look straight, and wave your hand in front of your face. Do you see the motion blur? At 48fps you would not, and at 24fps you would.
Really? Then look straight, and wave your hand in front of your face. Do you see the motion blur? At 48fps you would not, and at 24fps you would.
6:13PM on 04/25/2012
great explanation & makes more sense than the article does, so thanks.
great explanation & makes more sense than the article does, so thanks.
7:02PM on 04/25/2012
wether or not you see motion blur beyond 24fps has nothing to do with the eye being capable of seeing 60fps.
wether or not you see motion blur beyond 24fps has nothing to do with the eye being capable of seeing 60fps.
8:04PM on 04/25/2012
Yes really because:

1.) I went to school for this and

2.) You're basically saying life should look like a movie.

24fps is the LEAST amount of a frames per second needed for our eye to perceive continual motion, but a side effect of it is the cinematic quality we've grown used to.

You can't just compare a single quality like waving our hands and motion blur. That's like saying "If you hit a car with a hammer it breaks, the SAME THING happens to humans! We are OBVIOUSLY not human
Yes really because:

1.) I went to school for this and

2.) You're basically saying life should look like a movie.

24fps is the LEAST amount of a frames per second needed for our eye to perceive continual motion, but a side effect of it is the cinematic quality we've grown used to.

You can't just compare a single quality like waving our hands and motion blur. That's like saying "If you hit a car with a hammer it breaks, the SAME THING happens to humans! We are OBVIOUSLY not human but CARS!"

Lol sorry dude I got a bit carried away.
8:26PM on 04/25/2012
I went to film school too.

FYI, up until a several years ago, Apple Trailers rendered & displayed trailers at 12 fps. I have personally produced video for web viewing at 10-18fps. So, you are completely wrong about 24fps being "the LEAST amount of a frames per second needed for our eye to perceive continual motion". There is no truth to that in the least.

The human eye does not see like a camera, if that is what you are getting at. We don't see frame rates, but we do see motion blur. It
I went to film school too.

FYI, up until a several years ago, Apple Trailers rendered & displayed trailers at 12 fps. I have personally produced video for web viewing at 10-18fps. So, you are completely wrong about 24fps being "the LEAST amount of a frames per second needed for our eye to perceive continual motion". There is no truth to that in the least.

The human eye does not see like a camera, if that is what you are getting at. We don't see frame rates, but we do see motion blur. It might not technically be the same motion blur a camera sees, but 24fps comes the closest to emulating what we see.
11:49PM on 04/25/2012
There actually is bro, because you can see cuts in anything under that. When I say continual motion I mean motion that doesn't look sh*tty.
There actually is bro, because you can see cuts in anything under that. When I say continual motion I mean motion that doesn't look sh*tty.
11:51PM on 04/25/2012
I suppose if you are serious about those 12fps trailers just throw up a link, because I seriously doubt it's possible.
I suppose if you are serious about those 12fps trailers just throw up a link, because I seriously doubt it's possible.
4:14PM on 04/25/2012

Sounds familiar

This reminds me of a story I heard on Radiolab, about how the orchestrated ballet of The Rite of Spring caused a riot at it's premiere for how different the musical tempo was from other pieces at the time. Only now after 100 years is it considered a work of art for all its variances. I feel like maybe this may turn out the same way after people see it or it (possibly) becomes more main stream. It may be radically different but heres to hoping it doesn't cause riots.
This reminds me of a story I heard on Radiolab, about how the orchestrated ballet of The Rite of Spring caused a riot at it's premiere for how different the musical tempo was from other pieces at the time. Only now after 100 years is it considered a work of art for all its variances. I feel like maybe this may turn out the same way after people see it or it (possibly) becomes more main stream. It may be radically different but heres to hoping it doesn't cause riots.
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4:12PM on 04/25/2012

And we care why???

Like where going to listen to a bunch of critics I fuckin never heard of LOL. Let alone any critic. I want the film to feel more real, and feel like I am part of middle earth. I don't want it to feel like a movie. If that one critic does then clearly their dumb. I'll make my own judgement when the film finally comes out.

DVD'S?? What are those? LMFAO fuck yeah I just bought the divide.
Like where going to listen to a bunch of critics I fuckin never heard of LOL. Let alone any critic. I want the film to feel more real, and feel like I am part of middle earth. I don't want it to feel like a movie. If that one critic does then clearly their dumb. I'll make my own judgement when the film finally comes out.

DVD'S?? What are those? LMFAO fuck yeah I just bought the divide.
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6:59PM on 04/25/2012
There's a reason why movies look more cinematic that soap operas on TV. That reason is the framerate.

It's the same reason you have to buy a high-end camera to even record in 24p. You have no idea what you're talking about and I guarantee you that if you watch it at 48fps you'll be disappointed. The image looks cheaper and less cinematic.
There's a reason why movies look more cinematic that soap operas on TV. That reason is the framerate.

It's the same reason you have to buy a high-end camera to even record in 24p. You have no idea what you're talking about and I guarantee you that if you watch it at 48fps you'll be disappointed. The image looks cheaper and less cinematic.
7:09PM on 04/25/2012
Do you know what this website is???
Do you know what this website is???
4:00PM on 04/25/2012

Film is the shit

Digital technology just doesn't do it for me. I like it in some cases, (Michael Mann movies...) but not for a fantasy epic and cinematic adventure of Lord of the RIngs proportions. Jackson is fucking with something that should be magical. Nolan knows whats up.
Digital technology just doesn't do it for me. I like it in some cases, (Michael Mann movies...) but not for a fantasy epic and cinematic adventure of Lord of the RIngs proportions. Jackson is fucking with something that should be magical. Nolan knows whats up.
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4:20PM on 04/25/2012
The 24 fps showing of the trailer looked exactly like the originals. Digital isn't the issue here.
The 24 fps showing of the trailer looked exactly like the originals. Digital isn't the issue here.
7:01PM on 04/25/2012
No, Nolan is right when he defends film over digital. It absolutely looks better. More grainy and gritty, less clean and perfect. Film wins every time.
No, Nolan is right when he defends film over digital. It absolutely looks better. More grainy and gritty, less clean and perfect. Film wins every time.
7:07PM on 04/25/2012
Yes it is about the frame rate, and i certainly plan to see it in the 24 fps version. Regardless, a prequel to LORD OF THE RINGS deserves to be shot in the superior format, film. But this 48 fps technology was pursued to mesh with the 3d, which is complete bullshit. My point is more that digital technology is often utilized in a distasteful way. It can be great for the right films (children of men, 127 hours) but they are a minority. Jackson was way into the Red camera too, but that didn't
Yes it is about the frame rate, and i certainly plan to see it in the 24 fps version. Regardless, a prequel to LORD OF THE RINGS deserves to be shot in the superior format, film. But this 48 fps technology was pursued to mesh with the 3d, which is complete bullshit. My point is more that digital technology is often utilized in a distasteful way. It can be great for the right films (children of men, 127 hours) but they are a minority. Jackson was way into the Red camera too, but that didn't catch on at all. I think that, either way, The Hobbit deserves more than being a guinea pig for 48 pfs. It has to be a has to foster mystical captivation in the way only film can. bro.
4:00PM on 04/25/2012
I like to think that Peter Jackson and all involved know what they are doing and that if indeed there are any real issues with the picture quality it will be fixed by the time the movie comes out.
I think there is just too much money, time and love invested in these movies by those involved in making that they wouldn't theatrically release them in a way that would turn off/away the audience.

Tidbit: Hell, I still buy vhs tapes sometimes!
I like to think that Peter Jackson and all involved know what they are doing and that if indeed there are any real issues with the picture quality it will be fixed by the time the movie comes out.
I think there is just too much money, time and love invested in these movies by those involved in making that they wouldn't theatrically release them in a way that would turn off/away the audience.

Tidbit: Hell, I still buy vhs tapes sometimes!
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3:15AM on 04/26/2012
Vhs...... What's that? Lol
Vhs...... What's that? Lol
3:50PM on 04/25/2012

What is it with the DVD thing?

Every time I come on this site it's always "do people buy DVD's anymore?" Yes, people still do buy them. My mom still buys DVD's you ass because she can't afford a Blu Ray player. Get the fuck over it already!
Every time I come on this site it's always "do people buy DVD's anymore?" Yes, people still do buy them. My mom still buys DVD's you ass because she can't afford a Blu Ray player. Get the fuck over it already!
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5:30PM on 04/25/2012
The price difference is even at this point (you can buy a blu ray or a regular DVD player from $65 on up) and the discs match the same price, including bargain bins with the only exception being new releases. And, of course, quality.

Within the next few years DVD's will be obsolete.

This is why I ask.

I'll try to get over it, but no promises.
The price difference is even at this point (you can buy a blu ray or a regular DVD player from $65 on up) and the discs match the same price, including bargain bins with the only exception being new releases. And, of course, quality.

Within the next few years DVD's will be obsolete.

This is why I ask.

I'll try to get over it, but no promises.
5:46PM on 04/25/2012
Seems like a perfect opportunity for a, "lol u mad?"
Seems like a perfect opportunity for a, "lol u mad?"
12:22AM on 04/26/2012
haha relax dude!!
haha relax dude!!
3:40PM on 04/25/2012

The trailer...

Now that was 24 FPS and it looks beautiful. Don't fuck with what already works so perfectly, especially for the sake of 3-Fucking-D.
Now that was 24 FPS and it looks beautiful. Don't fuck with what already works so perfectly, especially for the sake of 3-Fucking-D.
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3:37PM on 04/25/2012
I hear the nature shots looks spectacular, but the sets and make-up and other film trickeries are now clearly visible as trickery. I'm very surprised they would even show it to people in this state, unless they have already tried to filter it and just haven't been able to hide the seams.
I hear the nature shots looks spectacular, but the sets and make-up and other film trickeries are now clearly visible as trickery. I'm very surprised they would even show it to people in this state, unless they have already tried to filter it and just haven't been able to hide the seams.
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3:35PM on 04/25/2012

Ewww

I cannot stand this effect. If the whole movie is like that when it's released... I'd walk out for sure. I bought a 3D LCD Flatscreen tv a couple months ago. Everything about it was great except everything looked exactly like they're describing here. Like it's a stage play or just people in front of a camera and doesn't feel like a movie at all. I couldn't stand it. After messing with it a couple hours, I found the TV comes auto set on something called "trumotion". Turn that off, and you can
I cannot stand this effect. If the whole movie is like that when it's released... I'd walk out for sure. I bought a 3D LCD Flatscreen tv a couple months ago. Everything about it was great except everything looked exactly like they're describing here. Like it's a stage play or just people in front of a camera and doesn't feel like a movie at all. I couldn't stand it. After messing with it a couple hours, I found the TV comes auto set on something called "trumotion". Turn that off, and you can watch movies like normal... It was such a relief.

If the hobbit has that same Soap Opera effect... forget it. I just can't stand that look. What was Jackson thinking?
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3:34PM on 04/25/2012
It's not the shooting digitally that irks me, there are plenty of movies shot on digital that still look gorgeous (Girl With the Dragon Tattoo for example). It's that damn 48fps. Ever see that bullshit ClearScan function on an HD set? It makes films look like they were shot with video cameras. It makes them look cheap and phony. 48fps essentially looks the same way. I'm an editor and my colleagues and I talked at great length about this this morning. One of them pointed out that the trailer for
It's not the shooting digitally that irks me, there are plenty of movies shot on digital that still look gorgeous (Girl With the Dragon Tattoo for example). It's that damn 48fps. Ever see that bullshit ClearScan function on an HD set? It makes films look like they were shot with video cameras. It makes them look cheap and phony. 48fps essentially looks the same way. I'm an editor and my colleagues and I talked at great length about this this morning. One of them pointed out that the trailer for The Hobbit was in 24p and looked great. And as ElderPredator pointed out, I'm sure a lot (if not most) theaters will be projecting this at 24fps, so I will most likely see it thusly.
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4:12PM on 04/25/2012
I have friends who leave that ClearScan option turned on. Jeez everything on their TV looks so cheap and awkwardly fast.
I have friends who leave that ClearScan option turned on. Jeez everything on their TV looks so cheap and awkwardly fast.
3:31PM on 04/25/2012
From the pics it looks good to me. I'm sure the movie is going to kick a whole bunch of ass.
From the pics it looks good to me. I'm sure the movie is going to kick a whole bunch of ass.
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3:13PM on 04/25/2012
I just pray that the 24fps version looks like a normal movie and not a converted compromise! Please don't fuck up my Hobbit!!!
I just pray that the 24fps version looks like a normal movie and not a converted compromise! Please don't fuck up my Hobbit!!!
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3:13PM on 04/25/2012
I dreaded this ever since Jackson's first Hobbit vlog where he went on about the 48fps and the new 3D tech they were using and how they were needing to make everything look fake on set so it'd look real on camera and such.
I dreaded this ever since Jackson's first Hobbit vlog where he went on about the 48fps and the new 3D tech they were using and how they were needing to make everything look fake on set so it'd look real on camera and such.
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3:11PM on 04/25/2012

Hmm

I remember feeling the same way watching digitally filmed movies on the cinema for the first time.
Watching "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" at the cinema originally was massively jarring because it was TOO crisp, and genuinely looked like I was just watching some people pissing about in front of the camera as opposed to an actual film. I've included a link below, watch from exactly 2:00 onwards where Depp walks into the kitchen and kills the cook. It feels like a TV documentary.

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I remember feeling the same way watching digitally filmed movies on the cinema for the first time.
Watching "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" at the cinema originally was massively jarring because it was TOO crisp, and genuinely looked like I was just watching some people pissing about in front of the camera as opposed to an actual film. I've included a link below, watch from exactly 2:00 onwards where Depp walks into the kitchen and kills the cook. It feels like a TV documentary.

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3:54PM on 04/25/2012
The shot of Depp walking into the kitchen and killing the cook is SUPPOSED to look like documentary footage, like we are there with him, hence the blood splattering on the camera... In general, that movie looked INCREDIBLE on the big screen. The detail was amazing.
The shot of Depp walking into the kitchen and killing the cook is SUPPOSED to look like documentary footage, like we are there with him, hence the blood splattering on the camera... In general, that movie looked INCREDIBLE on the big screen. The detail was amazing.
3:06PM on 04/25/2012

I wondered about that

When I first heard about shooting digitally (which is old hat by now) AND projecting at the higher frame rates, I had sort of wondered if it would have that hi-def video look rather than a "movie" look. Sounds like it definitely does. Maybe they will futz with it and end up having it look more like film stock, like they have done with other digitally "filmed" movies.
When I first heard about shooting digitally (which is old hat by now) AND projecting at the higher frame rates, I had sort of wondered if it would have that hi-def video look rather than a "movie" look. Sounds like it definitely does. Maybe they will futz with it and end up having it look more like film stock, like they have done with other digitally "filmed" movies.
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2:55PM on 04/25/2012
I guarantee they'll still have to send 24 FPS units because there's no way that all theatres will convert in time, especially for one movie.

The only reason they've gone to 48 FPS is for the benefit of making the 3D better for our eyes which for me means it was a gigantic waste of time. 3D is leading filmmakers down the wrong path.
I guarantee they'll still have to send 24 FPS units because there's no way that all theatres will convert in time, especially for one movie.

The only reason they've gone to 48 FPS is for the benefit of making the 3D better for our eyes which for me means it was a gigantic waste of time. 3D is leading filmmakers down the wrong path.
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2:49PM on 04/25/2012

Still excited

It sounds like the extra film rate is good for scenery, but bad for human characters. Much like Imax. is there someway to infuse the movie with both frame rates, get great 48fps mountian and river shots, but slow it down for when the hobbits sit down to eat?

(tidbit: i'll buy dvds if their at the right price, i pick most up at garage sales anymore. Otherwise i stick to Bluray. I like digital copies, but i prefer to have my collection on display)
It sounds like the extra film rate is good for scenery, but bad for human characters. Much like Imax. is there someway to infuse the movie with both frame rates, get great 48fps mountian and river shots, but slow it down for when the hobbits sit down to eat?

(tidbit: i'll buy dvds if their at the right price, i pick most up at garage sales anymore. Otherwise i stick to Bluray. I like digital copies, but i prefer to have my collection on display)
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