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Rumor: How big will Wonder Woman's role be in Batman vs. Superman? Plus, a hint at her origin

Jan. 6, 2014by:

The folks at Batman-on-Film did a mailbag of Q&A a few days ago, answering some big questions with some interesting speculation. Certainly, none of this is official, so take it with a grain of salt, but it's no less interesting-and convincing at that. BOF addresses the role of Wonder Woman in BATMAN VS SUPERMAN, as well as whether or not Jason Mamoa is on deck to play Martian Manhunter or Aquaman, the second villain rumor (potentially Doomsday), and lastly a very interesting and potentially infuriating look at the origin of Wonder Woman in the DC Cinematic Universe. Read on for details.

On Wonder Woman's role in the sequel:

Personally, I'd say it'll be about on par with Scarlett Johansson's first appearance as Black Widow in IRON MAN 2. I believe that it's a cameo-plus type of role that will (hopefully) serve as a springboard to a solo Wonder Woman movie.

With all that said, I'd bet a year's pay, in MONOPOLY money, of course, that the "Amazons" of this cinematic DCU will be descendants of those "ancient Kryptonians" who attempted to set up Kryptonian outposts throughout spacedom thousands and thousands of years ago. Furthermore, I say that Wonder Woman will be powered-down, if you will, relative to Superman because these Amazons have evolved and adapted to living on Earth for hundreds of centuries. And since Kryptonians are produced without any [traditional procreation] (Jor El and Lara excluded) couldn't this original Kryptonian on Earth have used this reproductive science to create an all-female race? I say yes!

On whether or not Jason Mamoa will play Martian Manhunter or Aquaman are in the film:

Nope and nope. Neither of those characters are in this film.

On whether or not Lex Luthor is in the film and the rumor of a second villain:

Yes. And sorry, I'm not at liberty to reveal the ID of the other villain at this time...but the character is highly rumored to be in the film.

Interesting stuff, as I said before, but this is mainly just good stuff for chatter as nothing is confirmed. Still, it does bring up some interesting ideas. There's a lot more at BOF, including their thoughts on when we might see Ben Affleck in costume as Batman ("REALLY SOON") and their belief that the two main villains of the film will be Superman villains only (Lex and Doomsday perhaps?) and that the film will indeed be a Superman film, focusing on Henry Cavill's Clark Kent/Superman with Batman and Wonder Woman being side characters with the idea of expanding them into their own films. No matter how you slice it, I think we're all just excited and curious to see this develop, so hit back with your thoughts below. While we've got a year and a half before we see this onscreen, there will be PLENTY of news to drop on the film in 2014.

BATMAN VS SUPERMAN opens on July 17, 2015.

Source: Batman-On-Film

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3:57PM on 01/08/2014

doesnt matter no one cares

outside of us movie geeks and comic book geeks, its pretty clear in main stream America that no one gives a rats ass about female superheros, WW TV show couldnt even make it to air, so now they will force feed her into a movie. Women dont even go and see action movies with women leads (Tomb raider, Aeon Flux, Elektra, Catwoman, Supergirl, Long Kiss goodnight, Columbiana) they all bomb and very few men WHO ARE NOT COMIC GEEKS care for them either and it proves out in polling and testing, hence
outside of us movie geeks and comic book geeks, its pretty clear in main stream America that no one gives a rats ass about female superheros, WW TV show couldnt even make it to air, so now they will force feed her into a movie. Women dont even go and see action movies with women leads (Tomb raider, Aeon Flux, Elektra, Catwoman, Supergirl, Long Kiss goodnight, Columbiana) they all bomb and very few men WHO ARE NOT COMIC GEEKS care for them either and it proves out in polling and testing, hence why black widow has no solo movie anywhere insight, but if she is a side kick then its ok. Now most of that is probably bc those characters origin stories (and stories in general) are weak but if you change it to make it better or more believable then everyone freaks out like they just did with this article.
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1:29PM on 01/08/2014
Powering her down, eh? Makes sense--don't want to make the female character too powerful or independent, after all! Ugh.
Powering her down, eh? Makes sense--don't want to make the female character too powerful or independent, after all! Ugh.
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3:58PM on 01/08/2014
it doenst matter this movie will not gain money or viewers because of her inclusion or exclusion
it doenst matter this movie will not gain money or viewers because of her inclusion or exclusion
2:13PM on 01/07/2014

Utter trash

They are not only ruining the WW character but now making up origins for her and pretty much turning her into Super Girl? No mythos, no WW traits, just a horrible and ugly actress playing a mind numbingly dumb role that happens to be called Wonder Woman.
They are not only ruining the WW character but now making up origins for her and pretty much turning her into Super Girl? No mythos, no WW traits, just a horrible and ugly actress playing a mind numbingly dumb role that happens to be called Wonder Woman.
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3:59PM on 01/08/2014
well the whole invisible plane and truth lasso is pretty lame, they have no choice or she will be the aquaman of female comic book characters. They need to change a lot about the character or just skip it for most non comic book person to care
well the whole invisible plane and truth lasso is pretty lame, they have no choice or she will be the aquaman of female comic book characters. They need to change a lot about the character or just skip it for most non comic book person to care
4:25AM on 01/07/2014
So they are taking away the very thing that makes Wonder Woman interesting and unique, and turning her into Supergirl? Just shows that WB has no faith in their properties. Man of Steel was a let down, and I don't expect any better from this film. In fact I expect worse. Only this time I won't be tricked by a good trailer.
So they are taking away the very thing that makes Wonder Woman interesting and unique, and turning her into Supergirl? Just shows that WB has no faith in their properties. Man of Steel was a let down, and I don't expect any better from this film. In fact I expect worse. Only this time I won't be tricked by a good trailer.
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4:00PM on 01/08/2014
well who can blame them the TV show based on same lame character was so bad it couldnt even make it to air as it was killed by every test audience
well who can blame them the TV show based on same lame character was so bad it couldnt even make it to air as it was killed by every test audience
11:08PM on 01/06/2014
Doomsday this early would be a mistake. Metropolis was already jacked up in the last movie during a massive fight...
Doomsday this early would be a mistake. Metropolis was already jacked up in the last movie during a massive fight...
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11:05PM on 01/06/2014
So... Wonder Woman will be Supergirl's descendant? I'm not sure how to make of this. If it's true, it seems to me WB just don't want to bother explaining all the gods and greek pantheons from WW's original backstory.
So... Wonder Woman will be Supergirl's descendant? I'm not sure how to make of this. If it's true, it seems to me WB just don't want to bother explaining all the gods and greek pantheons from WW's original backstory.
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9:56PM on 01/06/2014
It's about what I figured. Like maybe Kara Zor-El walked away from here craft thousands of years ago & maybe managed to breed with a human & set up her own civilization, Amazons, & that'll be how Wonder Woman came to be. Also, I think that Mamoa will play a villain most likely. I really hope that this is more of a Superman movie with Bats & Wonder Woman tossed in the mix.
It's about what I figured. Like maybe Kara Zor-El walked away from here craft thousands of years ago & maybe managed to breed with a human & set up her own civilization, Amazons, & that'll be how Wonder Woman came to be. Also, I think that Mamoa will play a villain most likely. I really hope that this is more of a Superman movie with Bats & Wonder Woman tossed in the mix.
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9:47PM on 01/06/2014
I really enjoyed Man of Steel,but putting Batman,a love interest for Batman,and Wonder Woman is just too much.I rather see another stand alone movie for Superman and when someone from DC compares Wonder Woman's appearance in the new BM vs SM movie to Black Widow's appearance in Iron Man 2 clearly states they they are jealous of Marvels successful universe and would like to make their own.
I really enjoyed Man of Steel,but putting Batman,a love interest for Batman,and Wonder Woman is just too much.I rather see another stand alone movie for Superman and when someone from DC compares Wonder Woman's appearance in the new BM vs SM movie to Black Widow's appearance in Iron Man 2 clearly states they they are jealous of Marvels successful universe and would like to make their own.
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9:27PM on 01/06/2014
I really hope WB/DC decide to include Arrow in the shared DC universe. The show blows agents of shield out of the water and it's only getting better. And the show has already done an awesome job of establishing a lot of great justice league mainstays. I'm hoping the daredevil show ends up being that good
I really hope WB/DC decide to include Arrow in the shared DC universe. The show blows agents of shield out of the water and it's only getting better. And the show has already done an awesome job of establishing a lot of great justice league mainstays. I'm hoping the daredevil show ends up being that good
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4:03AM on 01/07/2014
Totally agree!!!
Totally agree!!!
7:12PM on 01/06/2014
Hmm, I don't know about the back story for the movie but having Wonder Woman in the movie is a good start for her to have her own solo movie.
Hmm, I don't know about the back story for the movie but having Wonder Woman in the movie is a good start for her to have her own solo movie.
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7:11PM on 01/06/2014
I know this is all just pretty much rumors but having wonder woman being a Kryptonian is one of the dumbest ideas I've heard in awhile.
I know this is all just pretty much rumors but having wonder woman being a Kryptonian is one of the dumbest ideas I've heard in awhile.
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4:02PM on 01/08/2014
yeah bc a lady who isn't invisible, while she flies and invisible jet and then sensually ties you up with her lasso of truth is awesome!!!
yeah bc a lady who isn't invisible, while she flies and invisible jet and then sensually ties you up with her lasso of truth is awesome!!!
7:07PM on 01/06/2014
Wonder Woman has a rich backstory that will take time to establish. I was talking about this with a friend and I do agree with what he said about Batman not needing very much introduction at all. Everyone knows his origin story so there won't need to be a lot of screen time spent giving him background and he can go right into his clash with Superman. But with Wonder Woman, there will be lots of explaining where she comes from. I have to say that I never thought about the possibility of Wonder
Wonder Woman has a rich backstory that will take time to establish. I was talking about this with a friend and I do agree with what he said about Batman not needing very much introduction at all. Everyone knows his origin story so there won't need to be a lot of screen time spent giving him background and he can go right into his clash with Superman. But with Wonder Woman, there will be lots of explaining where she comes from. I have to say that I never thought about the possibility of Wonder Woman being descended from one of the Kryptonian outposts and while it is a very big change and will make Wonder Woman essentially alien instead of a figure out of Greek mythology, it *could* work and does sound plausible given the framework of Man of Steel but I would be very disappointed if that is the direction they went in.
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5:37PM on 01/06/2014

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2 villians is not the kiss of death especially if one of those villains is a mastermind, like Lex Luthor.

As for Wonder Woman, a part of me wants her new 52 origin, but every film that introduces the idea that Gods aside from the Christian God still exist in the world takes a huge hit at the box office before the first trailer is released. Avoiding that is worth its weight on gold right now, ask Percy Jackson and the Golden Compass. Making Amazons ancient aliens crossbred with humans would
2 villians is not the kiss of death especially if one of those villains is a mastermind, like Lex Luthor.

As for Wonder Woman, a part of me wants her new 52 origin, but every film that introduces the idea that Gods aside from the Christian God still exist in the world takes a huge hit at the box office before the first trailer is released. Avoiding that is worth its weight on gold right now, ask Percy Jackson and the Golden Compass. Making Amazons ancient aliens crossbred with humans would explain a great deal as to their prowess and secrecy from the world in a way that is immediately understandable, but they can still be the Amazons of legend since we don't know the origin of the culture anyway.

So here's the deal, instead of wasting words hating on something you've not seen frame one of maybe open the word processor and write a better idea first.
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7:36PM on 01/06/2014
Percy Jackson suffered from being a mediocre movie, not from religious discrimination. Wonder Woman has to have a source of strength other than being human (i.e. a tribe of women who were the ultimate hunters) because without it she'd simply be a ninja and fairly useless to the storyline. Making her an alien is a fairly stupid idea, so their best option is to go with her connection to Greek Mythology.

They're also going to have a tough time explaining Themyscira. I get the Bermuda
Percy Jackson suffered from being a mediocre movie, not from religious discrimination. Wonder Woman has to have a source of strength other than being human (i.e. a tribe of women who were the ultimate hunters) because without it she'd simply be a ninja and fairly useless to the storyline. Making her an alien is a fairly stupid idea, so their best option is to go with her connection to Greek Mythology.

They're also going to have a tough time explaining Themyscira. I get the Bermuda Triangle angle, but having someone show up from nowhere and claiming they're part of a secret society that no one knows about (despite plane, boat and satellite traffic in our current society) is kind of a stretch.
10:06PM on 01/06/2014
I guess they could always use the "magical shield" plot device, or have the island be in the Bermuda triangle.
I guess they could always use the "magical shield" plot device, or have the island be in the Bermuda triangle.
2:17AM on 01/07/2014
What about Clash of the Titans? That had gods aside from the Christian God, and it kicked boxoffice ass. Avatar brought in the idea of a female God named Eywa, and that did pretty good. Thor is the God of thunder & lightning. Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit have various Gods. Pirates of the Caribbean had various Gods as well.

So yeah, your theory is false.
What about Clash of the Titans? That had gods aside from the Christian God, and it kicked boxoffice ass. Avatar brought in the idea of a female God named Eywa, and that did pretty good. Thor is the God of thunder & lightning. Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit have various Gods. Pirates of the Caribbean had various Gods as well.

So yeah, your theory is false.
6:18PM on 01/09/2014
Silverload: Clash is set in the distant past as is Pirates. Avatar is set in the distant future and its an Alien planet that's alive not a spiritual or supernatural entity. And the big prover of my theory is Thor. Thor and the Asgardian are regarded as aliens and not Gods in the Marvel films.

If Marvel side steps the whole supernatural aspect of a character that should, by rights, be a full-on God himself why are we assuming that DC shouldn't for a character that's as much a risk as Thor
Silverload: Clash is set in the distant past as is Pirates. Avatar is set in the distant future and its an Alien planet that's alive not a spiritual or supernatural entity. And the big prover of my theory is Thor. Thor and the Asgardian are regarded as aliens and not Gods in the Marvel films.

If Marvel side steps the whole supernatural aspect of a character that should, by rights, be a full-on God himself why are we assuming that DC shouldn't for a character that's as much a risk as Thor onscreen if not moreso?
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5:32PM on 01/06/2014

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2 villians is not the kiss of death especially if one of those villains is a mastermind, like Lex Luthor.

As for Wonder Woman, a part of me wants her new 52 origin, but every film that introduces the idea that Gods aside from the Christian God still exist in the world takes a huge hit at the box office before the first trailer is released. Avoiding that is worth its weight on gold right now, ask Percy Jackson and the Golden Compass. Making Amazons ancient aliens crossbred with humans would
2 villians is not the kiss of death especially if one of those villains is a mastermind, like Lex Luthor.

As for Wonder Woman, a part of me wants her new 52 origin, but every film that introduces the idea that Gods aside from the Christian God still exist in the world takes a huge hit at the box office before the first trailer is released. Avoiding that is worth its weight on gold right now, ask Percy Jackson and the Golden Compass. Making Amazons ancient aliens crossbred with humans would explain a great deal as to their prowess and secrecy from the world in a way that is immediately understandable, but they can still be the Amazons of legend since we don't know the origin of the culture anyway.

So here's the deal, instead of wasting words hating on something you've not seen frame one of maybe open the word processor and write a better idea first.
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7:26PM on 01/06/2014
I took a shit on a sheet of typing paper, and it was a better idea.
I took a shit on a sheet of typing paper, and it was a better idea.
5:13PM on 01/06/2014
I'm still worried, I feel like this is too much to establish in one movie. You're rebooting Batman, you're launching Wonder Woman, and you've got what is likely too huge villains with complex stories. I hope they're not biting off more than they can chew. I'd prefer to see the new Batman and Wonder Woman established in their own films first. I hope this goes well.
I'm still worried, I feel like this is too much to establish in one movie. You're rebooting Batman, you're launching Wonder Woman, and you've got what is likely too huge villains with complex stories. I hope they're not biting off more than they can chew. I'd prefer to see the new Batman and Wonder Woman established in their own films first. I hope this goes well.
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5:01PM on 01/06/2014

I can't be the only one who sees it

Jason Mamoa = kickass Lobo
Jason Mamoa = kickass Lobo
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4:22PM on 01/06/2014
Making Wonder Woman kyrptonian would be such a stupid fucking idea. WB/DC continue to prove that they have no idea what do since Nolan left. Every bit of news about this movie has been bad. This is reminding me of the early days of Batman & Robin and Spider-Man 3, the pre-production bad news just keeps coming.
Making Wonder Woman kyrptonian would be such a stupid fucking idea. WB/DC continue to prove that they have no idea what do since Nolan left. Every bit of news about this movie has been bad. This is reminding me of the early days of Batman & Robin and Spider-Man 3, the pre-production bad news just keeps coming.
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4:15PM on 01/06/2014

Too early for Doomsday

I really don't want to see Doomsday yet, hopefully momoa will either be Metallo or Darkseid (showing up towards the end of the movie and setting up JL)
I really don't want to see Doomsday yet, hopefully momoa will either be Metallo or Darkseid (showing up towards the end of the movie and setting up JL)
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4:12PM on 01/06/2014

If this rumour is true,

I say "Hell NO!" Keep the Amazons as they are: it introduces the idea of magic, which is one of Superman's few weaknesses.

As for Gal Gadot, someone send her to a weight room and feed her a pile of steaks. She needs to bulk up big time if she's going to be Wonder Woman.
I say "Hell NO!" Keep the Amazons as they are: it introduces the idea of magic, which is one of Superman's few weaknesses.

As for Gal Gadot, someone send her to a weight room and feed her a pile of steaks. She needs to bulk up big time if she's going to be Wonder Woman.
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3:29PM on 01/06/2014
As long as it expands to Clark evolving more into Superman and his destiny, I will be happy. Have Batman and Wonder Woman appear, but only in mere bit parts. Hell, I wouldn't mind if the first time we saw Affleck in Batman mode in the film was towards the end maybe leading to his own solo film. Same with Wonder Woman too.

And this and Days of Future Past have me much more excited than Age of Ultron for some reason. I'm just finally excited that we are not too far away from FINALLY seeing a
As long as it expands to Clark evolving more into Superman and his destiny, I will be happy. Have Batman and Wonder Woman appear, but only in mere bit parts. Hell, I wouldn't mind if the first time we saw Affleck in Batman mode in the film was towards the end maybe leading to his own solo film. Same with Wonder Woman too.

And this and Days of Future Past have me much more excited than Age of Ultron for some reason. I'm just finally excited that we are not too far away from FINALLY seeing a Justice League film.
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3:06PM on 01/06/2014
Batman on film is the worst site.. I don't ever believe shit coming from them. For guy who cries about spoilers sure likes to post a lot of them. Plus that hill billy that runs that site has no further knowledge of batman past the films that have been made. I'll believe it when I see it, when coming from BOF.
Batman on film is the worst site.. I don't ever believe shit coming from them. For guy who cries about spoilers sure likes to post a lot of them. Plus that hill billy that runs that site has no further knowledge of batman past the films that have been made. I'll believe it when I see it, when coming from BOF.
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2:50PM on 01/06/2014
I really hope Doomsday ends up being in this film.
I really hope Doomsday ends up being in this film.
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2:39PM on 01/06/2014
Just keep her as an amazon and none of this krypton relative nonsense. I hope she fights superman at some point and that they start having a theme throughout the films of strong (in various forms) women kicking his ass.
Just keep her as an amazon and none of this krypton relative nonsense. I hope she fights superman at some point and that they start having a theme throughout the films of strong (in various forms) women kicking his ass.
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2:35PM on 01/06/2014

Batman on Film has a pretty solid track record of getting scoops.

They admit that some of this (i.e. the Wonder Woman stuff) is just speculation, but I'd bet a pretty penny that the stuff they do confirm (Manhunter and Aquaman not being in the film, Lex being in it, both villains being from Superman's rogue's gallery) is accurate.
They admit that some of this (i.e. the Wonder Woman stuff) is just speculation, but I'd bet a pretty penny that the stuff they do confirm (Manhunter and Aquaman not being in the film, Lex being in it, both villains being from Superman's rogue's gallery) is accurate.
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3:07PM on 01/06/2014
Batman on film sucks Ass!
Batman on film sucks Ass!
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2:23PM on 01/06/2014
As long as there's a good plot, the less CG the better.
As long as there's a good plot, the less CG the better.
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2:37PM on 01/06/2014
Unfortunately, as entertaining as some of Snyder's films are they are especially well known for their deep plots.
Unfortunately, as entertaining as some of Snyder's films are they are especially well known for their deep plots.
2:22PM on 01/06/2014

Sounds vague

It doesn't seem particularly helpful given how vague this stuff is. Granted, Affleck is currently filming Gone Girl and in that he's sporting a bit of double chin, from the production stills I've seen, so I wonder if he's "bulking" right now before "cutting" as filming gets underway. I just don't see why we need to be 'introduced' to Wonder Woman, let alone Batman. I'm beginning to agree with people that either this will be a clusterfuck, OR it's unofficially a JLA movie.
It doesn't seem particularly helpful given how vague this stuff is. Granted, Affleck is currently filming Gone Girl and in that he's sporting a bit of double chin, from the production stills I've seen, so I wonder if he's "bulking" right now before "cutting" as filming gets underway. I just don't see why we need to be 'introduced' to Wonder Woman, let alone Batman. I'm beginning to agree with people that either this will be a clusterfuck, OR it's unofficially a JLA movie.
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