INT: Miss Potter
Itís safe to say that Renee Zellweger enjoys hopping on the other side of the pond to practice her well accustomed British accent. Who can forget her lovable and memorable performance as the hilarious and adorable self-proclaimed spinster Bridget Jones that single handedly inspired faith and hope among all unattached women in the world? I was pleasantly surprised to see that she was just as sweet in person and eloquent to boot.
her next film MISS POTTER (no relation to Harry), Zellweger embodies
the role of Beatrix Potter, a distinguished painter and most
importantly a British literary phenomenon of the early 20th Century
who introduced ĎThe Tale of Peter the Rabbití to the world,
empowering all women and leaving her legacy to children everywhere.
I had the great pleasure of sitting down with Zellweger, Noonan, Watson, McGregor over the holidays as they shed light on the making of this delightful film, interpretations of the heroic author Miss Potter, her environmental work and the legacy she left behind! See what they all had to say about the upcoming film MISS POTTER.
proving oneís self worth do you think you need to be eccentric or
Renee Zellweger (RZ): Oh, I donít know. I donít know. Iím sure (eccentricity begets creativity). I mean, I donít know how to answer your question from a general perspective. I can only tell you from my own experiences, and I wouldnít answer it very eloquently because Iím not that self-aware. I had a lovely conversation with Ewan the other day about anything that might be strange about myself. I wish I had something to blame, and then I thought, ďOh, wait, Iím an actress.Ē (She laughs.) Now it all makes sense.
I donít know if one begets the other or which would come first. I donít know. I have met a lot of actors and worked with a lot of creative people who need their medium. They need it. Itís their basis and foundation, what helps them cope, how they channel their emotions or their inabilities to deal with other things. Itís the way they communicate, an outlet. It gives them stability. It gives them purpose. Iíve met those people. I donít think Iím one of them. Itís an important creative medium for me and it stops there.
know that it is my first medium, this one, the acting. It was more
accidental, but it has become very important to me in my life and I
do need it. I canít explain to you why. As far as my perceptions
about Beatrix, I just imagined that she has such a rich imagination
because she had such an isolated adolescence and that she was living
within such rigid parameters that were set by her mother in terms of
expectations that didnít interest her or didnít come naturally
to her. That was my perception, anyhow, that she needed her
(storybook) characters as a creative outlet.
Chris Noonan (CN): I think Beatrix did need her creativity as an outlet because she was so restricted. Itís very similar to the answer you just heard. She was so restricted in her expression in other avenues of her life, so restricted in her friendships by her parents. I think she turned to her writing. In a sense she created her own friends, and she turned to her writing to create personalities that she could relate to and maybe even people that could talk back to her. But a lot of this is just conjecture. We researched her life pretty thoroughly and we filled a whole lot of gaps, and I canít tell you whether we made the right choices in filling those gaps. Her life is pretty well documented, but that only gets you to a certain point with anyoneís life if itís in the past and whoís now dead.
there people alive who knew her?
CN: There are people alive who knew her, but theyíre very old people now. So youíre piecing these things together from anecdotes and from bits of writing that you found, and so on. When you start talking about peopleís deep psychological motivations and so on, thatís a very hard thing to conjure up when you look into the past. So you inevitably invent. You look at the evidence and you say, ĎNow, what would it be that would be motivating her to do this?í and you invent something that would fulfill that necessity in her life and you conjecture that thatís what it is, and then you assert to the world that thatís what it was. I hope that weíve made the right choices, but canít guarantee it.
her books in your own life?
RZ: I knew a couple of her stories. I didnít know all of them. And I knew absolutely nothing about the woman. I remember the images as far back as I can remember anything at all. I remember Peter Rabbit being there. My mom read the books to my brother and I, but not all of them. There were other childrenís books and authors who were more prominent in our adolescence.
never read her books when I was a kid. I was aware of her because of
all that crockery with her characters on it. I knew people who had
that crockery, but I didnít have any. So I had a relatively
Beatrix-free childhood, I think. Perhaps thatís why Iím so
messed up today, you know; I didnít have that influence as a
child. I donít know what else to say to you. I canít sort of
fill in the gaps.
Emily Watson (EW): Yeah, we had them all. I read them all and loved them all and actually the copies that we had, had scribbling and writing that had been done by my aunts and uncles when they were children. They were fairly common in British households.
Ewan McGregor (EM): And yes, I had them read to me Iím sure. A lot of, I donít remember the stories particularly when I was a kid. Like Rene and all the rest of us, I was familiar with her illustrations Ė the images. And I supposed with Peter Rabbit, the Mr. McGregor reference kind of haunted me and my brother for a few years. (Laughs.) Itís interesting that our parents would have had them read to them as well and possibly their parents as well so. And, I read them to my kids.
you have concerns for reaching a kind of jaded public at this time
with this traditional and remarkably charming story?
CN: Well, we had a lot of violence and sex in the film, but we cut that out. You just make the film that you believe is going to bring some joy to people and that theyíll find entertaining, and you hope that it finds its audience. I have no idea how big an audience this film will find. I have high hopes for it. One just trusts that your guesses are good for finding the audience, because you donít want to make a film that contains a number of messages and theyíre not received.
want to share your enjoyment in making a film with an audience and
you hope they enjoy it as youíve enjoyed making it. But thereís
no way of really predicting unless youíre dealing in much more
predictable genres than this. You know, if youíre making a James
Bond film, I think just the name Bond is going to guarantee you a
big audience, but the name Beatrix Potter doesnít necessarily
because there isnít a proven track record of Beatrix Potter
reaching an audience. So weíve just made the film that we loved,
according to the ideas we felt were appropriate, and we pray that it
will find its audience. Thatís all I can say.
I think itís interesting that you referenced the violence in
films. I think there is a place for that. I really do.
Itís a very violent world and there is a lot of the world
that just sits there and donít pay any attention to what we see on
the news or what we read in the newspapers and in a way filmmakers,
it can be a way to shake society and say look ĎThis kind of thing
is going on.í I think there is a place for it as well. I donít
think thereís overkill. And
maybe if there is a lot of violence in movies itís because there
needs to be.
donít think that people are cynics. I think weíre cynical about
manipulation and things that are disingenuous. Weíre very cynical
about manipulation and Iím not sure that itís necessarily true
that weíre cynical about simplicity. I think if things are honest,
I think that theyíre relatable. One of the things that we had
discussed in the very beginning of this film was that thereís a
very fine line there, and this was not a woman who was overly
sentimental. Chris, in a couple of scenes, weíd discuss it and
Iíd say, ďOh, Gosh, please just donít let me corny. Donít
let me be corny. Donít let me be schmaltzy.Ē And he looked at me
and he said, ďI donít do schmaltzy.Ē I think that if youíre
talking about a film thatís telling a human story that people will
connect with, whether or not itís simple based on its being
founded in truth, on truthfulness.
do you think your character is a feminist or lesbian and was it a
challenge to play a character treading a fine line?
EW: I think itís very hard with us with our understanding
of the way we view sexuality now to impose that on that time period.
Obviously, there are famous known lesbians in and around that time,
but I think probably that Millie has a crush on Beatrix because
sheís such a shining star. I
think passionate friendships between women were a known thing.
People used to write incredible letters and had passionate
friendships but I donít think thatís saying we should be judging
relationships we have or categorizing it.
If you turn around to Millie and said, ĎItís a sexual
thing. Youíre a lesbian,í sheíd probably have been horrified
but then in another day and age, she might be.
I donít know. All
these things are relative I guess.
what made you want to take on the role of executive producer?
Also, how far did you want to push the fantasy angle as the
RZ: You have no idea how closely interrelated your two questions are. Thatís where it all began. Chris and I and our friendship began over a conversation in a hotel lobby in Santa Monica, California, about that very thing. I was curious about it, having read the script, because I didnít believe in how it was being conceptualized on the page at the time. I was afraid of it. I thought it was gimmicky and kind of silly, and I wanted to hear what Chrisí feelings about it were, and then so many other questions came up, and I could tell that there was so much to discussion.
it (executive-producing) would be an interesting opportunity to
learn how to collaborate creatively in a different way and to
participate on a more substantial level, instead of just meddling
and having opinions, making it legal to meddle and have opinions. I
talked to the producers and I spoke with Chris and it just seemed
like it would work. They said ďyesĒ and it went from there. We
just discussed things that I wouldnít usually participate in, in
terms of the meetings and making decisions about things. Iíd
usually just have an opinion about it and maybe throw it out there,
invited or not. I
canít help myself. But in this case, we got together and we sat on
many couches, many late hours in many hotels in different parts of
the UK and threw everything on the table until the sun was coming up
sometimes, to try and solve some problems. It was fantastic. I
enjoyed it very, very much, very much.
CN: That was a matter of fine judgment. The initial drafts of the script had a far more Ďsophisticatedí set of animations, much more dominant animations, which had Beatrixís drawings come to life on the page and then jumping off the page and into the real world came these 3-D CGI creatures, which would have required us assigning voices to the creatures. They were like fantasy characters. They were true fantasy characters.
But we all felt, in fact, that the core of this film is a delicate series of human emotions and human relationships and that, for one, if we went that far into CGI and animation it would start making it look like, really, the key people in Beatrixís life were her animal creations and, two, that she was a bit crazy, that she imagines a rabbit jumping off the pages, standing next to her and she has a little conversation with it. Immediately, you think Beatrix is a little bit loopy. So we were pretty unanimous in feeling that a different approach was needed to that.
But I felt that there was something very valuable in having her animations exist in their own right in the film because, as an artist, Beatrix gave expression to her inner life, to her psyche through her art and through her stories, and that having creatures that we could animate and even have conversations of a limited nature with her would give us access to her inner life. She was a very private person who wasnít one to talk about herself endlessly, by all account. So it gave us access to her without having to resort to the clumsier cinematic devices like having a voiceover of Beatrix saying, ĎI was feeling very depressed at thatí or ĎThis made me very happy.í Theyíre clumsy devices and they tend to produce corny results, and we didnít want that.
So then it was a process of finding the level of that animation and the style of that animation, and I was very strongly of the feeling that we should remain as faithful to Beatrixís artwork as possible, because theyíre beautiful drawings, her drawings, and to get beyond that would seem to be sacrilegious, in a way, if youíre making a film about Beatrix Potter. So, we went on a search for animators and found this wonderful, wonderful woman who was born and brought up in the Lake District, who was a devotee of Beatrix Potter, who had been an animator on Roger Rabbit and was very thoroughly trained in traditional film animation.
didnít do any computer animation. And she was also a really lovely
person with a wild style; like she had dreadlocks and piercings, not
exactly what youíd think of as a Beatrix Potter devotee. But she
was a Beatrix Potter devotee. Her name is Alyson Hamilton and she
sort of stayed with the film from the early stages, from the time
that we were designing the animation sequences, through to the very
tail end and made a really great contribution, I think. So I had to
deal with that in the editing and deal with the integration of that
very delicately and with some wit, I think. I was anxious that they
be introduced in a witty way rather than as a Ďlook at me, look at
me. Arenít we clever doing this sort of animation?í way. So that
was the aim.
what is your take on your character as a very independent woman? Did
you see her as being nice to her friend or really what she felt?
EW: I think its probably complicated and a bit of both. I think the lady doest protest too much. Sheís not this lady walking around declaring her manifesto- this is who I am and Iím not marrying you sort of thing. She does it with great fun and sheís good fun and she thinks they had signed up for their sisterhood and then feels deserted. But I think itís all credited to the screenwriter. Probably inside of her is the most horrible churning of ĎOh my God, Iíve made such a fool of myself.í
I think sheís afraid of honesty and probably is lonely and
wishes life had been different. Itís very difficult for us to
imagine all that. Basically you lived with your parents Ďtil they
died and then she lived with her brothers and went visiting for tea
and that was it. Had love come her way, there is a real distinction.
We didnít see marriage about love in that period.
It would have been a financial transaction.
In the heart of the film itís saying that love is the most
important thing and go for it.
and Ewan, talk about the re-teaming since Down With Love.
Did you have fun?
EM: Um, well, when Rene and I were making ĎDown With Loveí we had a fantastic time. And I think itís safe to say we are both really proud of it and loved it deeply, and we had a great deal of fun. But the comedy in the film was very specifically a kind of Ď60ís type of comedy. I kind of wanted to play it although it went against the grain a little it, because nobody really plays comedies like that anymore.
it was difficult to learn and if you didnítí time it absolutely
perfectly it didnít work. So,
it was quite hard work and occasionally we would be struggling
through a scene and look at each other and just go, ĎGosh, if we
could just play it straight forward - a scene.í
So, we talked about it and we both enjoyed working with each
other very much kept in touch and then Renee called me up and said,
and asked me to read this, which was exactly that. A lot more free
flowing to it. Finding the scene in front of the camera. Its useful
and its great fun to work with Renee again.
It was a good time.
RZ: It was hilarious, because youíre working in a different way when youíre doing stylized work like that Down With Love. We had no point of reference about whether or not we nailed it, because thereís no way to tell. Cut, moving on. Iíd go, ďWhat do you think? Did we get it?Ē And heíd say, ďI donít know. Do you think we got it?Ē ďI donít know.Ē (She laughs.) We thought how great would it be to just act and see what happens.
Again, like he said, we were looking for some things (to do together), and then I read this script. Chris and I had been discussing our wish list of people, and right away, straight away, there was just no question in my mind. My plan was to beg and grovel shamelessly that these people would agree to participate Ė one (Watson) having just had a baby and not wanting to leave the house, and the other (McGregor) whoís perpetually booked no matter what because heís on everyoneís wish list, too. So I read that scene where Beatrix and Norman are alone for the first time in her room, and thereís so much subtext to that, so much meaning compacted into the tiniest little gesture.
And I knew
that Ewan would understand the delicate nature of that and the
vulnerability that was necessary for that. He has such a gift for
communicating those things honestly. It was just such an enchanting
moment in my mind, and so it had to be him. I talked to Chris and
Chris said, ďOh, yes, of course. Of course it has to be him.Ē
And thatís when the begging began. Luckily, they came to play.
Just to go further with it, that day on the set, it was
mesmerizing, really. He was focusing on some technical things going
on (something about keeping time to the music), dealing with that
and had absolutely no idea, unbeknownst to him, the six-foot-seven
steadicam guy, and Chris and myself and everybody in the room, we
were just enchanted. It was more than I had imagined when I read the
script. So, anyway, there we go.
which authors or books have inspired you?
donít think sheís weird. I had this conversation earlier. I
donít think itís strange at all that she speaks to her work when
sheís in that creative place in her mind, when sheís conjuring
this world in her mind, this imaginary world. Itís not strange at
all to me. I love her eccentricities. I think sheís brilliant. I
think sheís completely complicated in the most wonderful way, and
Iíd love to have known her. In terms of my own stuff, thatís
really interesting. You know, I donít know specifically. It
changes, you know. I pick something up and find it completely
inspiring because itís a different kind of prose. I love Carmac
McCarthyís writing. I loved Charles Frazier. You could smell those
words. I mean itís unbelievably rich prose.
what, do you mean like as a kid or do you mean now? You mean now. I
like African-American writers and I like Southern writers. There are
elements of the subculture that are exquisitely rich, just
historically. Thereís a musicality to Langston Hughesí work that
jumps off the page and it makes me need a pen. I need a pen. I need
a pen. I need a pen. I need a pen. Heís probably my favorite. And
thereís just so much emotion. Itís kind of like in Latin
cultures. You find this kind of passion for all elements of life. I
find that the same in African-American writers, just this passion
for things. Sorry. I need a pen. I need a pen.
is this the type of movie your fans expect from you?
Do you think this is a chick flick?
RZ: I donít think this is a chick flick at all. I donít think itís a chick flick. I think itís far more complex than that. Itís not meant to be female entertainment. Itís an important, important story, and itís a beautiful story, and I donít think Iíve met a guy yet whoís seen it and didnít connect to it, or cried. Itís just real. Itís a human story, the most powerful kind of story, to take advantage of the impact this medium can have in terms of moving a person Ė making you self-aware in a way, making you recognize something different, making you question things, learning something, growing as a person.
think itís a chick flick. I think that underestimates it in a
terrible way, and I donít think thatís true, that there are
people out there who have expectations of the stuff I do. And, no,
itís not a conscious decision, but Iím curious, and I know that
if I feel like Iíve been there before, I donít really have much
interest in repeating myself and going there again.
donít think itís a chick flick at all. Itís a love story, and
in the contemporary mores of Hollywood, if somethingís got
violence in it and a lot of cursing or whatever itís seen as a
male movie, and if somethingís got a love affair in it itís seen
as a female movie. I think thatís an incredibly limited way of
looking at things. I know so many men who have watched this movie
who have been moved to tears by it and have got a lot out of it. You
know, the world has moved on, and I just think thatís a very
outdated way of categorizing movies.
EW: I think itís very difficult to ask a question of an
artist to ask them to define themselves by their place in the
market. I think it just doesnít make any sense.
You do things, make things you love because you have to. When
a director that you have admired for years calls and asks you to do
it, you say ok, ok, ok. I
donít really think about that stuff when you make choices on
compulsion to have an interesting life.
I donít have anything else to say. I agree with everyone
is your next movie?
Itís a psychological thriller.
And the animated BEE MOVIE with Seinfeld who is hilarious
funny. But can we talk more about Miss Potter something?
Because I donít think itís a chick flick.
What do you do or use as an outlet to deal with the tabloids and wind down from your daily job?
RZ: (She laughs.) I go to the gym, and I run and I spend time to physically get it out (of my system).
didnít mean celebrity, I meant creativity. Iíve met eccentric
people who need, need that medium, need it for stability. They need
it. Theyíre true artists. Thatís why when people ask me, ďOh,
wasnít this person weird?Ē or ďWasnít that person
difficult?Ē I say, ďNo. No, theyíre not. Theyíre true
artists. True artists.Ē
I last saw you on the set of ĎCase 39í.
At the insane asylum. (Laughs.)
Itís a family film.
was a huge international success, but weíre only getting your
second film in a decade-plus. Why so long Chris?
Well, I sort of sat in a hole, very depressedÖ No, not really.
Itís very hard to follow a success. It puts a lot of pressure on
you and it makes you really want to follow it with something
thatís equally successful. I was offered many, many, many, many
scripts in that period and every time I read one I got more down
about what was on offer.
you talk specifically?
CN: No, Iím not going to do that. Iím not going to slander films. But they all seemed to be very derivative, and thatís sort of the nature of the film industry these days, it seems to me, maybe not so much right now, but in the last 10 years. Itís very easy to get a film up that you can say, ĎItís just like this film that was a success last year,í or ĎItís a cross between these two films that were both successes last year,í than it is raising the money for a movie that is completely original and no one has ever seen anything like it before.
the kind of thing Iím interested in more than Iím interested in
remakes or rehashes of already made movies. So I found it very hard
to find anything that I was interested in. I developed a couple of
movies. I co-produced a movie in Australia for a first-time director
and I kept looking and kept depressing myself by reading scripts.
And this was theÖ I canít say itís the first script I read in
that process that really moved me, but it was one of the first
scripts I read that moved me because it seemed to be genuine. The
emotions of the film seemed to be genuine. It seemed not to be a
manipulative emotional film. It seemed not to just be pushing
buttons. It seemed to be much more about the reality of life and I
really, well, I shed a tear over the script and was immediately
interested in it and pursued it from there.
long did it take from there?
guess that would have been about three years ago that I first read
the script. A lot of time passes with most films, and this was just
the latter stages of the development of the film. It had been
developed already for about five or six year by one of its producers
and its writer. So one has to be very patient in developing films.
This is also a movie about people coming out of their clichťís and emerging into their true selves. How did you identify with your characters in that way?
Wow. I donít know. I donít know. I think there is something that
he wanted to ÖI think there is something interesting about that
when he meets Beatrix his brother is upset that they are going to
publish the book and immediately she says, ďWell it must be like
this, this and this.í And,
I imagine she must have been a tough cookie to deal with. So, when
she meets Norman, heís so nervous about being a publisher that he
immediately meets her demands or enthusiasm with goals of his own,
because they seemed to be a perfect match in terms of the passion
towards her work. I donít know that it was about Ė I donít get
the sense he was trying to prove himself.
CN: Iím going to be equally frustrating for you, because I donít think I have approached this script from the point of view of intellectual analysis of themes and that kind of thing. I think itís much more an intuitive process for me, and so I havenít got a ready answer for your question. I think thatís the criticís job to look at the film andÖ youíre doing the critics job by pointing out to us that this is a theme in our movie.
not a theme thatís consciously driven me through the movie, but
itís something that I find very interesting, that itís there,
and I think we all, as creative people, we instinctively arrive at
decision as to how we make a story play. And often the threads of
those decisions can be brought together and a thematic line can be
seen in them, but (it can) be one that wasnít actually intended.
It wasnít one that we set out to do. But thatís sort of the
magic of the creative process anyway.
RN: In what respect? Well, from the inside, when youíre trying to make decisions about how to maybe show the evolution of a character throughout their life, you make creative choices about how to show that, on that day or in the way they dress, theyíre mannerisms, how they change, how they carry themselves a little bit differently, things like that. Itís subtle and itís truthful in terms of making the choices for the moment.
There are a few of them you have to plan in advance, like wardrobe changes for example. For Beatrix, I spoke with Anthony and we decided that when she was under her motherís influence she was going to be more uptight and more rigid and more formal. And as she begins to find her own legs, well, weíre going to show that her clothes get a little bit less tailored, and sheís going to grow a bit. You know, sheís going to spread out. You know, with the landscape sheís going to take up a little bit more space, not only in her life but to find her voice, and so her clothes should be the same to reflect it.
subtle things like that, if you want to draw a parallel with the
Norman and Beatrix characters. Thereís a definite common bond
there between the two of them, who kind of lived at home, kind of
were the caretakers, kind of didnít have massive social
existences, and they have this common denominator in this creative
effort that they shared. That was part of their affection. He
(McGregor) and I discussed it as being this thing that they shared
in terms of finding their own. It was more subtle than that. It was
subconscious. It was not something that either one of them was
consciously aware of. They just started to collaborate and liked it.
You have to be responsible and pay attention to that in some
respects, but theyíre so loosely tied. Itís more about being
accurate on the day as per the script requires as per that moment in
telling the story requires.
you talk about Potterís environmental importance and farmland
RZ: Iím going to skip that and go straight to my sex life. My mother would be proud. OK, letís see, what can I tell you about her environmental contributions? I was very surprised. I knew nothing about it. And just recently I was reading about the things that she did with the Girl Scouts, in terms of accommodating them, teaching them and helping them learn how to survive on their own in the wild, all sorts of things. I had no idea about the land. I just didnít know of the magnitude of the contribution that she had made in that respect.
I didnít know that it was responsible partially for the future of the farming and the...I mean, obviously one begets the other, but I didnít know. Still, I canít tell you too much. I kind of stopped with gathering my information that pertained to this part of her life, because it was such a finite period and there was so much information. I could do better to pull Chris and Emily in on this, because they could help me remember with what theyíve collected. What was it, 4000-something acres she started to collect? She was a founding member of the National Trust...
CN: A lot of that land was working farms, so itís not virgin land or virgin forest or anything like that. Itís much more that she fell in love with the land as it was in the Lake District, and just didnít want to see tourism develop there and that kind of thing. So she wanted to be part of this organization to preserve it.
She referenced feeling the encroachment. She definitely
envisioned that it was going to happen inevitably if she didnít
participate in something like that.
EW: I think for
Americans to appreciate how important it is in the UK, if you visit
there now, there are places with natural beauty, there are so many
people there, and itís so small and everyone is so grateful for
the small bit of preservation that has been done.
It they had eaten it up, there would have been no wilderness
now but for Americans itís a different thing because itís such a
huge country but it is so important for the UK.
It does feel encapsulated. When you go there, it feels
encapsulated, like thereís a point of entry and a point of exit.
Absolutely. When you get to the preserved land, or the English
countryside in quotations, I didnít get that feeling, that endless
sort of ongoing wilderness before you that you might get in
Northwestern, uh, Northeastern, uh, Midwestern America today. I feel
it here, too, so I can imagine, because it is quite small and
EM: Thatís why we invented the Midge in Scotland, which is
a tiny mosquito Ďbecause weíre not up there. (Laughs.)
there a statue of Beatrix Potter in England? Is she a national
EM: Sheís on
the back of the 25lb. note. (Laughs.)
you currently filming ďThe TourĒ with Hugh here in NY?
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