INT: Shia LaBeouf
LaBeoufís made quite a name for himself playing the part of
ďannoying sidekickĒ in a variety of roles, most notably in
2005ís tragically overlooked
us about the role you play.
play Sam Witwicky, aka Spike.
does your character interact with the robots?
Heís the liaison between the robots Ė at least in our script Ė in a way, heís the liaison between the government and the robots. Because itís too outlandish for the government to cling on to, this idea of this alien (invasion), and theyíre too close-minded to latch on to it, so they use me as a liaison between the idea of what these things could be and what they actually are.
Because they make first contact with me because my great great
grandfather, Captain Archibald Witwicky, made first contact with
Megatron in the 1800s and had Ė I donít know if I should be
giving this all away.
Öhad language and maps burned into his glasses through a laser. And the glasses were passed on through lineage. And they wind up with me and me trying to sell them on eBay, as well as his other items Ė his compass and sextant and other things a 19th century seaman would use. And they come after me to retrieve these glasses, which have the directions to where the energon cube is at.
is new territory for you.
Yeah, itís never been like this for me. Especially not with Michael Bay. Michael Bay is the fastest, most intense director Iíve ever worked with. The explosions are right here. Theyíre not CGI. The other day they had me on top of one of these buildings, one-handed, with a wire here and a wire there. It was insane. But thatís stuff that you usually CGI. And Michael doesnít CGI. He likes seeing the immediateÖhe likes being able to go into his trailer and go, ďYouíre never gonna believe what I just shot.Ē Rather than have to wait for the CGI to be put into green screen, he likes to see it immediately. Things like explosions are all very real.
that the hairiest thing you had to do?
No. I canít even list what weíve had to do. Iíve never had to do anything like this. When we did Constantine and I Robot, it was very minimal. Of course there was insane action. I had a shot gun and we were shooting demons, but the demons werenít there. They were ridiculous men in green suits and codpieces. It wasnít what this is, which is you actually have a Bumblebee, or itíll be a pole, but youíll see Megatron. Heís really there. And they really go for it. Itís just very real. My job is very easy here. Itís very reactionary, as opposed to having to conjure up these fantasies of what I would think it would be, itís there.
seem to be the right age to have played for these toys as a kid.
Yeah. For me it wasnít the comic book or even the toys. It was the movie. Transformers the movie was like, that was my shit. It was that and like Yogi Bear. That was like what I grew up on. Those were my movies and I watched them over and over and over again. I must have seen Transformers the movie 70 times before this was even inÖ
whatís it like for you to be in this movie now?
Well, when you see Transformers the movie, Spike is only in like three scenes. Then you find out heís even more apparent in the comic book. Other than the robots, heís the only character that goes back. So itís very rewarding to be here. Itís also a humongous thing for my career, as you could imagine. So on a number of levels itís very fulfilling to be doing this. Again, itís a completely different film, you know? My goal at the beginning of doing this was to be as diversified as possible. This fits a part of filmmaking that I would never have been a part of, nor would I have ever thought of myself as being involved in this way. This is alwaysÖBen Affleck has that job, Josh Hartnett has that job, not some Gary Shandling lookalike whoÖitís not something you would assume. I didnít assume that I would ever be sitting with Turturro and Megatron. Itís just a thought that you could ever conjure up.
year in Toronto you said you wanted to do more indie stuffÖ
Well, I have two indies coming out that areÖwe had a good time at Sundance with A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints, which is coming out soon. I have Bobby coming out, which is an independent which has now transformed into this megapic. But I fulfilled my independentÖthe whole goal of this is to find that balance. You want to create a pop film but not sell out to make a shit pop film. You know, thereís shit pop films and then thereís popular films. This is not a shit pop film. This is a popular film with a following.
This isnít f*cking Freaky Friday. Thereís a huge difference. And the difference for me, at leastÖif Iím not enjoying the script, Iím definitely not going to enjoy the ride for three months. Itís three months of your life and Iím very impatient. I could definitely be in school and enjoying that side of my life. Thereís a reason that I take time out to come and do this. I donít have to work because Iím financially in trouble. Itís not that for me. I do movies that I want to do. Disturbia Ė which is another popular film, which is based on Hitchcock. Stuff that Iím interested in.
attracted you to the project?
You know, the same reason that you guys are into it. The thought of having something like an alien life form be able to take the form of this and transform, it just became more real than, letís say, E.T. which was this magical figure that came down to earth and youíd never seen anything like it, whereas the Transformers were real. It was very real to me. If you had an imagination, you could sit there and look at a car and go, ďYeah,Ē and you could conjure up ways that it could transform. It was more real than fantasy for me.
The same thing with Constantine Ė the reason that youÖyou do stuff that you love. Like Neil Gaiman, Vertigo, thatís what I love. The Transformers is that other side to me. Itís more popular, yes, but itís realistic to me. I really think that there is a possibility that you could do some of the shit that weíre doing. I mean, some of it is real. And itís not like this fantasy, like this alien life form that comesÖit doesnít feel like that to me. It feels like it could really happen.
Itís more tangible?
Itís more tangible. Thatís the word.
that youíre part of the demographic, did you have more creative
input into the decisions?
No. Everybodyís got their job and holds down the fort. I mean, Michael Bay is veryÖhe knows what heís doing. Itís not like he comes here and then is thinking of shots. He knows specificallyÖyou used to hear stories about how Kubrick used to draw everything and createÖand Michael works the same way in that he has these visual effects shots that he created a year ago, thatís the actual shot in animation form. Kubrick used to do these long-hand forms of his film, whereas Michael has already filmed the movie in digital and heís got all these VFX shots of shit thatís already been conjured.
So in that respect itís there. Itís not ever questioned. My opinion means nothing as far as that goes. But Michael is very Ė and Iíve worked with some pretty dope directors Ė heís very freeing. ďThis dialogue sucks!Ē He takes the page out and throws it away. ďJust roll with it.Ē Heíll let youÖhe ad-libs more than any director Iíve ever worked for. He literally hires people based on how they can ad-lib. In the auditions it was, ďOk, put the script down and go,Ē for 20 minutes. Just go with this. When I was auditioning with Megan, 70% of our audition was just riffing. Where can you go?
How can you keep it on the storyline without going in some weird place thatís not helping us? And thatís the way that Mike works. So people say that heís not an actorís director and all this garbage and I donít know. It depends on what kind of direction you want. If you want somebody to be there and be on you, and be the Woody Allen ďCough here and breathe here and sneeze here,Ē heís not that. Heís the director whoís just gonna let you go. And so in a sense that is an actorís director.
message do you have for Transformers fans?
This isÖhow do you describe what weíre doing? This is nuts. Iíve never seen anything like it. Weíre staying true to a lot of it. But again, you canít make Megatron a gun. You make Megatron a gun and youíve gotta have an orange cap, because you canít make a movie with a gun transforming when youíve got kids out there killing each other. You canít publicize a gun like we used to in the 80s, when Megatron was a gun. If you were to make Megatron a gun now, youíd have to put the stupid orange cap and that would ruin Megatron. Heíd look like Herbie the Love Bug or some dumb shit. If Bumblebee was a bug, it would be a totally different interaction.
You wouldnít look at Bumblee and go wow. You wouldnít do that. You would look at him like he was Herbie. And thatís not what Bumblebee was. We stay true to the tone of what Transformers was. But again, itís a movie and in movies itís a different art form. Youíre taking on another face. So you stay as true as you can and there are certain things that you do have to extend for the film, such as the human aspect of this. There wasnít a lot of human interaction in the Transformers movies. It was all about the Transformers. But to just have the Transformers talking would be like the new Ninja Turtles movie. Itís just garbage. Now itís a Pixar film. Thatís not what weíre making. Itís not a Pixar film. Weíre trying to make the coolest action film ever. You gotta make it human.
old is your character? Is he in high school?
And how old are you?
yesterday you were hanging off a building. What are you doing today?
I know weíre blowing something up.
not sure what it is yet. But weíre blowing something up for sure.
was your personal favorite Transformer?
My personal favorite? Soundwave. And heís not in this film.
you going to be made into an action figure?
hope not. I donít know. They can do whatever they want. They have
their own contracts and Iím sure Hasbro is gonna try to profit off
of it as much as possible, just like any company would. I donít
Itís the goal of the actor to make your presence felt. Itís your job to position yourself and to hold your own and create a character and not just get lost in the dust. Itís your job as an actor to do that. Your job as an actor is to fill in the spaces. Thatís my occupation. So yeah, I canít have Michael thinking about certain minute character intricacies while heís blowing up that building. His thought is diverted. So itís your job to control a lot of that and Mike letís you know that when you start. But I can see how actors can get lost in this, when theyíre relying on a director to be emotionally prepared to deal with your intricacies and your mannerisms and how you hold your hand and what pocket you put your juice in. Michael Bay isnít that guy. Heís not the guy to tell youÖMichael Bay is focused on the explosion in the building and the reaction of the crowd and itís a lot to think about for one person. You expect that.
As an actor, is it hard for you to hold on to what youíre doing when the crap is blowing up?
No. Itís easier when the crapís blowing up. Itís harder when the crapís not blowing up and action Ė ďThe crapís blowing up! The crapís blowing up!Ē Thatís hard for an actor. Or interaction with the robots is tough. Itís difficult to have any kind of emotional connection with Bumblebee when itís a pole with plastic. But when youíre sitting there and Megatron is built, itís a different type of performance, because itís reactionary rather than conjured. Conjured shit is hard.
Since you were a fan of
the show, does it mean anything to you that Peter Cullen was cast as
the voice of Optimus?
Well, for everybody here that was a big deal. I know what it means to you guys and what it means to the fans. Michael knows the same. But then again you get into performance stuff Ė whoís gonna bring the better performance? And when you start measuring the original to maybe an update? You have to think about that stuff, you know? If it had been Michael Clarke Duncan, would that have been a better voice in the original than Peter Cullen? A lot of people would say no, but then thereís a fan base that would say yeah. So you have to modernize it. And thank god we got him in because it brings us back toÖand we can still modernize the film but still keep some of this historical truth in the voices of the characters. So itís a big win for all of us and weíre all excited to have him. I havenít met him yet or been able to work with him.
Are you signed up for a
Uh, hmmmÖyeah, Iím sure thereís something somewhere. I
donít know. I was signed to do sequels for Constantine.
What is going on with
Well itís up to Keanu and where he wants to go. It really
comes down to what he wants to do on his slate. If he jumps up and
goes, ďI want to play John again,Ē Ė which I donít think he
will Ďcause that took a lot out of him Ė I donít know. He
might; he might not. Again, people talk about an "I Robot"
sequel. Any movie that makes money, thereís gonna be sequels. They
made a Kangaroo Jack sequel, you know what I mean?
Thatís Kangaroo Jack. They made money. Itís a business.
At the end of the day, itís show business. Itís a business.
there any cast or crewmembers that you talk to about the
Transformers as fans?
I know Megan is a fan. I know Josh is a fan. I know that Turturroís son is a big fan. I know John is really into it based on what heís read. I donít know if he was a fan previously. But when youíre here and youíre seeing it, youíre a fan. Youíre an instant fan. When you see Bumblebee, you canít not be a fan. When you see the actual Bumblebee standing there, you canít not be a fan. Itís like seeing Batmanís car. Youíre in right away. Iím sold. Boom, there you go. Done.
does Dane Cook play?
Dane Cook? I think he plays a gas station attendant. Itís a small cameo. But thereís a lot of cameos, you know? The way that Michael works is thereís action, and in the middle of the craziest action thereís a joke. If you watch his films, thatís how he goes. He genre-flips. So thereís a lot of humor with the action. Because we have the humor aspect we bring comedians in. Thereís a lot of comedians here.
other big cameos?
Macís got a big cameo. Iím sure thereís other people coming
in. It changes every day. Itís a big movie, so thereís a lot of
people that want to be in it. They might create roles. Iíve heard
a lot of names, but I donít want to throw them out there because I
might be wrong and you never know if they might come in or not.
gonna be the breakout character?
I donít know. Thereís a couple of them. They all have personalities. I donít know if I could point one out. Thereís a bunch of different storylines happening with different robots, but of course itís Megatron and Optimus. Those are the dudes.
about the love story?
love story element humanizes this. It humanizes the story a little
bit. Sometimes it gets fantastical when everythingís a robot or
everythingís and explosion or everythingís in the Secret
Service. People in Iowa want to relate to a character. The love
story humanizes the robot storylines.
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