INT: Thomas Jane
This Friday (yes...today!), Thomas Jane stars as the vigilante anti-hero Frank Castle in the much-anticipated Lions Gate release of THE PUNISHER. Though Jane is known primarily for his acclaimed performance as Mickey Mantle in the HBO film 61*, Iíll always remember him for his kick-ass performance as Dirk Digglerís very shady pal Todd Parker in BOOGIE NIGHTS. Heís especially great in the climactic coke deal scene, where he confronts the future Dr. Octopus, Alfred Molina.
I got a chance to talk with Jane about playing the enigmatic Frank Castle. A stark contrast to his co-star, the charming, gregarious John Travolta, Jane seemed almost uncomfortable with all of the attention.† Intense and somewhat reticent, he made little eye contact, preferring to stare at the table as he pondered his answers. He would lift his head only to field another question or make an important point. His demeanor more closely resembled that of a writer Ė not a big name actor headlining a major feature film.
Why did you want to do this?
Gosh, Iíve been waiting to do this my whole career. Anti-hero action film.
you read the comic?
I read a lot of comic books as a kid. I used to draw the skull on my notebook at school, but I wasnít really aware of The Punisher, the book, until I got into the movie. I never consider myself a superhero. Marvel had come after me for a couple different superhero parts and I turned them down Ė as I did this one initially Ė because I didnít see myself as a superheroic kind of a person. But as Marvel was quick to point out, this really was an ant-ihero. He didnít have any super powers. He relied on his God-given talents and his wits to overcome his enemies and that became much more interesting to me, because as I said, Iíve been waiting to play this kind of antihero since I was a kid. When I grew up in the Ď70s and watched movies with my dad, those Ď70s action films were really inspiring to me.
were the Ď70s movies you loved?
Hard Times with Bronson.
Point Blank with Lee Marvin. Once Upon a Time in the West.
Well, a little bit of Shaft. Three the Hard Way. Sure, Walking Tall when I was Buford Pusser, the way it should be.
the interest in anti-heroes?
I like the humanity of it.† It seemed to me that those movies are more akin to reality and the characters werenít torn between what was the right thing to do and what was the wrong thing to do. In my life, so often, Iím related to doing the wrong thing but for the right reasons or vice versa, doing the right thing but for the wrong reasons. And thereís that moral ambiguity thatís much more human to me than wearing a black hat or a white hat. We, in telling stories, tend to break it down to a good guy and a bad guy.
The good guy has sometimes done some stuff wrong but it wasnít real bad. He didnít do stuff that bad. Then the bad guy was never any good and never had a chance in hell of ever being a good person. That stuff just was boring. Itís boring. I donít like that stuff. Iíve been waiting to do a kind of movie where an anti-hero character could come onto the American stage again. I think now the echoes of the questions that we used to have in the Ď70s, our dissatisfaction with our leaders and our mistrust of our government, questioning of our decisions and our roles on the world stage opens up the door once again for the antihero to have a voice and a say. And that struggle between whatís right and whatís wrong, thereís rarely an easy clear cut answer.
other superhero parts did you turn down?
Youíd have to talk to Avi
(Arad) about that. I donít want to get anybody in any trouble.
comics did you read as a kid?
Oh, EC comics, Tales From
the Crypt, Vault of Horror, Incredible Science Fiction, Shock Suspense Stories,
Two Fisted Tales.
No Captain, no. I like all the real genre stuff. Thatís where all the real literary talents, the Ray Bradbury, the Robert Heinlen adaptations were. So I really got off on the writing. Then I got into Frank Miller and guys like that. The underground books, Robert Crumb. All that American Splendor stuff, Iíve been reading since I was a kid. I love that stuff. Itís literate.
you still read comics?
Absolutely. Iím into
Steve Niles right now, and anything Garth Ennis does. Alan Moore, thereís a
bunch of guys that I really enjoy. And I think itís a great medium. Itís a
very valid artistic medium.
did you and the filmmakers go about establishing the tone of this film?
It was all on the page. It was something that we drew directly from the actual source material. The source material has a great sense of humor as well as a fantastic violent sensibility thatís cathartic in a way. All of that stuff is culled right from the pages of the comic book and I think that if it ainít broke, donít fix it.
you see the 1989 Dolph Lundgren version?
I saw parts of it, yeah. I think thatís Punisher in name only. I think that they use that as a template to jump off and create there own sort of story and the respect wasnít there for the source material that we have now. It was a different period of filmmaking, one that we just werenít interested in the anti-hero for a number of years. And I guess I got the kind of face where people arenít going to cast me as Superman or someone like that.
much weight did you gain for the part?
I think at the end I put on
about 25 pounds of muscle. Thatís the real true figure.
You look like youíve lost some of the muscle since then.
Yeah, Krispy Kreme donuts and Guinness beer come out the day we stop. When the check stops coming, I stop going to the gym. My fiancť said, ďYou did? Iíll write you the check, hereís the check. Here, go get back out there. Take the cheeseburger out of your mouth and go to the gym.Ē
they say you had to work out in order to do the shirtless scenes?
They didnít put it quite like that. I had a little punch card at the gym and they said, ďIf you want your paycheck, you have to make sure that this thing is filled out and youíve been to the gym X amount of times.Ē I knew going in that it was a very physical part. The key to the character for me was through the physicality of the part. I took that very, very seriously. I went to the gym twice a day, sort of a controversial method among bodybuilders as to whether or not that works, but it worked for me. And hit one body part twice a day and then the special diet.
heard you used a liquid diet.
I did a liquid diet for
three months, yeah.
much of the stunts did you do?
I did 90% of my own stunts. You go into it thinking itís like a professional sport. You go into it knowing that thereís going to be some cuts and bruises and youíre going to get banged up but I got great guys around me, fantastic people to help me come through it relatively unscathed. So that was a real help.
it like working with Travolta?
Oh, heís a great guy, you
know. Heís an icon and a great collaborator, gregarious, gracious man. He was
fantastic, just fantastic.
he have his own chef?
Our caterer is someone that Travolta used on his last film. I know how John likes to eat or likes his good food, so we ate well. We ate real well.
you ever work out together?
We had a very small weight
room. There was only room for one of us at a time in there.
didnít have a workout truck on the lot, like Arnold?
No, I think we had one of those little apartment gyms. When I was shooting in Tampa, Iíd just go downstairs to the gym in the basement and work out down then.
you do it right before scenes?
Thatís the old fashioned
way. Thatís the Lorenzo Lamas school.
you do certain things prior to your takes in order to get into the mood?
We tried to keep it light on the set. We were dealing with some pretty dark subject matter and we wanted to inject a sense of humor into the film and there is a larger than life scale to the movie that although rooted in reality, you know, we can take liberties because itís a comic book type of film, and it lends itself to a larger than life scale. So finding that balance was very important and keeping it light on the set and staying creative was always a plus. Trying to leave the drama on the screen and not take it home with you is always a good thing too.
frightening were the comic book fans?
I donít have any control over that and thatís not my focus as far as playing the part, but it was helpful to go online and go to the different websites and figure out exactly who these guys who have lived with this character for a number of years felt about Frank Castle, who he was, where he stood, morally, was he insane or not. All those kind of debates were very helpful to me to figure out who Frank Castle was. Then it was my job to bring the best Frank Castle that I had inside of me to the screen. Thatís where I leave it. At the end of the day, I had to please myself. I couldnít worry about pleasing all these different varying opinions about what they wanted.
was your most challenging stunt?
The most challenging sequence was the Russian fight. (Kevin Nash) is 6í 10Ē. †Heís about a foot taller than me. That was tough, but heís a gentleman and heís a real pro and he really did make my job easier even though it doesnít look it. But that was all me and I got banged up quite a bit during that.
really could throw you casually?
He absolutely could throw
me casually across the room.
didnít do the stair fall?
Yeah, they wouldnít let
me do that. They wouldnít let me drive the car off the bridge.
about the crash through the wall?
Yeah, absolutely that was
many Punishers are you signed for?
I think Aviís got me down for 16. (laughs) I think itís three.
you have some say in the sequels?
Well, yeah, as much as I can certainly. Being a fan of comic books and knowing how dedicated people are to the source material, Iíd like to continue to draw on that source material. Thereís a couple of great characters from the books that we havenít touched on. Thereís a guy named Jigsaw whoís a wonderful bad guy, so Iím sure that heíll be in the next one.†
chances of a romance with Joan (Rebecca Romjin-Stamos)?
That could happen. Whatís great is in these old movies that I love, the guy doesnít always get the girl. And thereís a good reason behind it, thereís sort of a lone wolf feeling to him and we empathize with him. Watching Frank try to crawl his way back into a sense of human connection or humanity is part of what I think makes his character really vibrant.
Stander. I have Stander coming out that Newmarket picked up. Thatís another kinda hard nosed Ď70s inspired action drama. Itís a true story about a man named Andre Stander who was a police captain in Johannesburg in 1976 Apartheid, who is asked by his government, as they all were, to murder people for his government. And then he has a moral break and starts robbing banks on his lunch hour. This is a real guy and he did that for a couple of years. And then his partner arrested him and gave him 32 years in prison. He served three of those years and then he broke out of prison with two other men and formed the Stander gang. And went on the biggest bank robbing spree in the history of western civilization. Itís a wonderful story and a great character.
Youíre engaged to Patricia Arquette.† Have you set a wedding date?
Weíre planning on getting
married sometime this fall if we can work out our schedules and stuff and all
that falls into place. Weíve had a couple different dates, but hopefully this
one will work out.
chance of you and Patricia working together?
Oh gosh, itís hard to see
onscreen people in movies together. It can work, it can, but itís very
particular. Itíd have to be something that made allowances for that. Spencer
Tracy and Katherine Hepburn, although they were never together technically, they
had that antagonistic- - so if it was something like that. Maybe weíll do a
Whoís Afraid of Virginia Woolf?