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James Cameron plans Avatar 4 as a prequel and Battle Angel Alita in 2017?

Sep. 10, 2012by: Alejandro Stepenberg

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Boy, when James Cameron said that he is now "in the Avatar business," he really wasn't kidding.  A second, third, and fourth follow-up to AVATAR have been planned for a while now, with the second and third being shot back to back.  That fourth film was always a mystery though - a mystery, that is, until now.  And it seems that Hollywood has, in a way, learned from Paul's critique a last month regarding trilogies.  In a way.  

Whatever it ends up being called, the fourth film to bear the AVATAR name will be prequel. "I have an idea for a fourth.  I haven't really put pen to paper on it, but basically it goes back to the early expeditions of Pandora, and kind of what went wrong with the humans and the Na'vi and what that was like to be an explorer and living in that world.  Because when we drop in, even in the first film in 'Avatar 1,' as it will be known in the future, we're dropping into a process that's 35 years in to a whole colonization.  [Avatar 3] will complete an arc and if that leads into more, we'll start, not imitating 'Star Wars,' but it's a logical thing to do because we'll have completed the thematic arc by the end of three. The only thing left to do is go back to see what it was like on those first expeditions and create some new characters that then become legacy characters in later films. It's a plan."

The reason we haven't had the new AVATAR film yet, besides Cameron having to write "two scripts together as one big thing," has to do with how the last two years have been spent "refining the whole pipeline.  It was a hideously complex process to make that film and a lot has been said about that, but we don't want it to be done in the same prototypical way as the first one, we want it to be a much smoother workflow just for creativity reasons."

So what are your thoughts on an AVATAR prequel? Did you ever care enough about the world of the characters? Does this mean we'll get more Stephen Lang? If things go as planned, which they never do, perhaps we'll be finding out sooner rather than later considering how the first sequel to AVATAR could be arriving as early as Christmas of 2014 (though probably later than that at this point).

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On the other side of things there's BATTLE ANGEL, a project Cameron constantly maintains he is still interested in doing that tells the tale of an amnesiac cyborg named Alita who is found in a garbage heap and rebuilt.  Her one memory is of a fighting style called "Panzer Kunst," and it is from there that she begins her quest to regain her memory and discover just who and what she is.  Now despite Cameron being "in the Avatar business," producing partner Jon Landau very much thinks that BATTLE ANGEL is still going to happen (as revealed by Swedish website MovieZine):

On the story: I am confident you will see it. It's one of my favorite stories, I think it is an incredible story, a journey of self-discovery of a young woman. It is a movie that begs the question: "What does it mean to be human? Are you human if you have a heart, are you human if you have a mind, are you human if you have a soul?" And I look forward to bringing that film to audiences.

On the casting: Who we would want to cast today, and who we would want to cast when we get down to making the film, might be two totally different people who would be right for the role.

On when the movie might be made: We'll focus on Avatar for the next four or five years, hopefully right after that.

So there you have it - two projects, and plenty of information on both that we didn't have before.  What do you think the chances are that we'll actually get Cameron's rendition BATTLE ANGEL?

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This piece of phenomenal BATTLE ANGEL art comes from long time reader and site fan Joe Boccia - you can check out his Deviant Art page right here

Extra Tidbit: Cameron originally wanted to have AVATAR ready for release in 1999, but no studio would back the $400 million price tag incurred by the special effects needed for the film.
Source: MTVMovieZine
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9:25PM on 09/11/2012
I love how people like to bash Avatar for being unoriginal, yet completely ignore the fact that TDKR completely ripped off The World Is Not Enough plot point for plot point, plot twist for plot twist, and it even skewed existing Batman characters to fit the mold of the characters from TWINE. But that's all okay, because the Cult of Nolan is the fad these days, while Cameron is old hat.
I love how people like to bash Avatar for being unoriginal, yet completely ignore the fact that TDKR completely ripped off The World Is Not Enough plot point for plot point, plot twist for plot twist, and it even skewed existing Batman characters to fit the mold of the characters from TWINE. But that's all okay, because the Cult of Nolan is the fad these days, while Cameron is old hat.
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5:31AM on 09/11/2012
He should have just repurchased the Terminator franchise rights with the money he got from Titanic. They've been sold twice in the last 5 years and both times they were around $30 million. And the rights to The Godfather are estimated at $100 million. Seems like a bargain.
He should have just repurchased the Terminator franchise rights with the money he got from Titanic. They've been sold twice in the last 5 years and both times they were around $30 million. And the rights to The Godfather are estimated at $100 million. Seems like a bargain.
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5:18AM on 09/11/2012
u cant trick us this time,cameron!!
u cant trick us this time,cameron!!
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6:41PM on 09/10/2012
What a waste of years. Whatever this dude says, I have little hope to see one day an adaptation of GUNNM aka Battle Angel Alita.
What a waste of years. Whatever this dude says, I have little hope to see one day an adaptation of GUNNM aka Battle Angel Alita.
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4:42PM on 09/10/2012
He's in the empire business
He's in the empire business
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1:51PM on 09/10/2012
Let me just say I still have a lot of respect for the man. I was never as die-hard about his work as some, but the man knows how to create worlds and characters that we care about. And yet, while the world of Avatar was breathtaking, and the themes potentially ballsy (making the humans the bad guys could have paid off if they weren't so one-dimensional). The story itself felt overwrought in a way that really bothered me. Because he tried to make it a message-movie, he robbed the characters of
Let me just say I still have a lot of respect for the man. I was never as die-hard about his work as some, but the man knows how to create worlds and characters that we care about. And yet, while the world of Avatar was breathtaking, and the themes potentially ballsy (making the humans the bad guys could have paid off if they weren't so one-dimensional). The story itself felt overwrought in a way that really bothered me. Because he tried to make it a message-movie, he robbed the characters of their inner struggle (save for maybe Neytiri). Not to mention when a mineral is called "unobtainium," you might as well call it "MacGuffin," because it's that obvious. What many of his fans wanted to see was something more akin to Aliens and The Abyss. And while there are elements of both those films in this, those weren't trying too hard. I believe the original story was much different. But then he needed the technology. So he had to make sure it had cross-generational box-office appeal, so he could make back all the money that was put into it. So we have Avatar, a fine film to have some fun with that I nevertheless didn't love very much, and that doesn't seem to warrant sequels. But when James Cameron wants something really badly, he tends to get it.
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3:04PM on 09/10/2012
That's a legitimate criticism. I also felt that the film wasn't that great, but as a stand-alone story and as a technical achievement, was probably one of the most important watershed films to come out in years. This is a creator that turned down the opportunity to continue with his mega-successful Terminator franchise cuz he lacked interest despite the wishes from the rest of the world, so I'm thinking if he wants to continue with Avatar, then it must be a burning desire. Hey, I'll fully
That's a legitimate criticism. I also felt that the film wasn't that great, but as a stand-alone story and as a technical achievement, was probably one of the most important watershed films to come out in years. This is a creator that turned down the opportunity to continue with his mega-successful Terminator franchise cuz he lacked interest despite the wishes from the rest of the world, so I'm thinking if he wants to continue with Avatar, then it must be a burning desire. Hey, I'll fully embrace the fact that it'll probably be diminishing returns in wuality, but I doubt he be so invested in this unless he felt he could top himself.
3:14AM on 09/11/2012
@Hyperkulturemia
All the criticism was legitimate up to this point. Because it's peoples' opinions. They don't get more legitimate because you agree with them.
@Hyperkulturemia
All the criticism was legitimate up to this point. Because it's peoples' opinions. They don't get more legitimate because you agree with them.
1:03PM on 09/10/2012
Did I buy 500 million tickets to see Avatar? Cuz for a movie that made $700+million, I seem to be the only one that liked it. So what if it wasnt an original story? The Dark Knight was mostly Tim Burton's Batman scene for scene. Nothing wrong with that! Cameron delivers. This may not be what we all want but this is what one of the finest filmmakers of the last 30 years wants. Messing with that only leads to a shitty product because the writer/director's heart isnt in it. This is where his heart
Did I buy 500 million tickets to see Avatar? Cuz for a movie that made $700+million, I seem to be the only one that liked it. So what if it wasnt an original story? The Dark Knight was mostly Tim Burton's Batman scene for scene. Nothing wrong with that! Cameron delivers. This may not be what we all want but this is what one of the finest filmmakers of the last 30 years wants. Messing with that only leads to a shitty product because the writer/director's heart isnt in it. This is where his heart is. Lets just watch the magic.
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4:45PM on 09/10/2012
You're missing the point by miles! Its not about the story being unoriginal per se it was more about how it was generically executed what with all the hype about 'original creation with cutting edge visuals' or whatever stuff that was uttered at the time.

Its kinda like some hot-girl you've fantasized for a long time and when you finally hit the sack with her, its no where near the mind-blowing sex you were expecting. I mean, 20-30mins into the movie I already knew how it was going to end!
You're missing the point by miles! Its not about the story being unoriginal per se it was more about how it was generically executed what with all the hype about 'original creation with cutting edge visuals' or whatever stuff that was uttered at the time.

Its kinda like some hot-girl you've fantasized for a long time and when you finally hit the sack with her, its no where near the mind-blowing sex you were expecting. I mean, 20-30mins into the movie I already knew how it was going to end! And I was like 'wtf? I waited so long for THIS?!?' (don't get me started on the plot-holes)

And as you've said 'Lets just watch the magic' which basically sums up most if not all of James Cameron's movies: VFX first, Plot/Story second.
5:33PM on 09/10/2012
Sorry ActionFan, but I dont think you can one minute claim you waited all that time only to be let down and then the next minute say that most if not all of Cameron's movies are VFX first, plot second. If thats the case, what were you expecting? And by the way, FX first, plot later is Michael Bay's gig.
Sorry ActionFan, but I dont think you can one minute claim you waited all that time only to be let down and then the next minute say that most if not all of Cameron's movies are VFX first, plot second. If thats the case, what were you expecting? And by the way, FX first, plot later is Michael Bay's gig.
3:18AM on 09/11/2012
TDK was a remake of Burton's Burton? It's as if you've never even seen those movies. Other than the characters of Joker and Batman being the villain and hero respectively there's almost nothing in common. I also don't get why you had to bring it up in the first place.
TDK was a remake of Burton's Burton? It's as if you've never even seen those movies. Other than the characters of Joker and Batman being the villain and hero respectively there's almost nothing in common. I also don't get why you had to bring it up in the first place.
10:24AM on 09/11/2012
LelekPL: As to your Batman statement that they have nothing in common except characters I have a few scenes off the top of my head to offer you. Think it over and get back to me. In no particular order:
Batman: Joker strolls into a meeting of gangsters, kills one with a joy buzzer and announces his intentions
TDK: Joker strolls into a meeting of gangsters, kills one with a pencil and announces his intentions

Batman: Bats flies towards Joker in Bat-Jet while Joker says "Come on. Come on."
LelekPL: As to your Batman statement that they have nothing in common except characters I have a few scenes off the top of my head to offer you. Think it over and get back to me. In no particular order:
Batman: Joker strolls into a meeting of gangsters, kills one with a joy buzzer and announces his intentions
TDK: Joker strolls into a meeting of gangsters, kills one with a pencil and announces his intentions

Batman: Bats flies towards Joker in Bat-Jet while Joker says "Come on. Come on." Fires gun. Batman crashes.
TDK: Bats speeds towards Joker on Bat-Bike while Joker says "Come on. Come on." Fires gun. Batman crashes.

Batman: Bats battles baddies throughout tower to face Joker in final showdown, leaving Joker dangling. Joker dies
TDK: Bats battles baddies throughout skyscraper to face Joker in final showdown, leaving Joker dangling. Joker lives.

Batman: Wayne and GF at charity function at gallery. Joker enters, threatens GF. Bats to the rescue.
TDK: Wayne and GF at charity function at swanky loft. Joker enters, threatens GF. Bats to the rescue.

If you disagree, thats fine. To each his own. But I see it. And there are more. Look for yourself.
1:30PM on 09/11/2012
"And by the way, FX first, plot later is Michael Bay's gig. "

Actually I think its VFX & flare first and ASS-PULLING second. The so-called plot in a Bay movie is always an incoherent mess. As for what I was expecting? Lets just say a little a intelligence along the lines of Aliens or T2 instead of blatant symbolism about environmental issues. C'mon 12years after Titanic came out and thats the best he could do? This brings out [link] debates all over again.
"And by the way, FX first, plot later is Michael Bay's gig. "

Actually I think its VFX & flare first and ASS-PULLING second. The so-called plot in a Bay movie is always an incoherent mess. As for what I was expecting? Lets just say a little a intelligence along the lines of Aliens or T2 instead of blatant symbolism about environmental issues. C'mon 12years after Titanic came out and thats the best he could do? This brings out [link] debates all over again.
9:21PM on 09/11/2012
The bat-pod and batplane reference is clearly a nod towards Burton, but even there it highlighted to different things - in TDK it was about Batman wanting to kill Joker but fighting off those feelings and in Burton's it was... well he just wanted to kill him but failed miserably.

In Batman the restaurant wasn't a charity event, it was a restaurant. Other than that it's also very different. Joker came for Dent in TDK, and he came specifically for Vicky in Batman.

The building ending is
The bat-pod and batplane reference is clearly a nod towards Burton, but even there it highlighted to different things - in TDK it was about Batman wanting to kill Joker but fighting off those feelings and in Burton's it was... well he just wanted to kill him but failed miserably.

In Batman the restaurant wasn't a charity event, it was a restaurant. Other than that it's also very different. Joker came for Dent in TDK, and he came specifically for Vicky in Batman.

The building ending is just a climax set in a building in both movies, I would hardly say that other than the setting there was anything similar, especially in the execution.

I might give you the meeting scene...

Yet naming a couple scenes that share long shot similarities is not what you call a scene for scene reanactment. There's like 5 of them in the movie, 4 of which share very little similarities, mostly the setting. It's like saying that every action movie was a scene for scene version of another one, because the good guy wins in an epic showdown at the end.
12:29PM on 09/10/2012

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I really don't get this hate for Cameron. Albeit the premise of Avatar shared some common threads with a lot of the 'conquerors clash with the indigenous' storylines , that same argument can be made for most things as everything under the sun' already been made in some form or another. Also the fact that it's a overwrought CGI affair? That's his attempt to make movies more immersive and seamless in order to sell an alien world. How many other people can you point working today that are actively
I really don't get this hate for Cameron. Albeit the premise of Avatar shared some common threads with a lot of the 'conquerors clash with the indigenous' storylines , that same argument can be made for most things as everything under the sun' already been made in some form or another. Also the fact that it's a overwrought CGI affair? That's his attempt to make movies more immersive and seamless in order to sell an alien world. How many other people can you point working today that are actively trying to elevate the art of storytelling? And the fact that he's 'wasting' his talent on this 'mass appeal' garbage rather than trying to recreate his earlier work? How you gonna fault the guy for pursuing his own interests, especially when it's so massively successful? Listen, when you look at a guy like Cameron, you can't compare him to other directors cuz he's really in a category of his own. This guy generates his own material that's uniquely in his own voice, and even invents new technology to help implement his vision. His output of late may not match his earlier work, but I can't helped but be awed with what the guy's accomplished. Count me in.
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1:51PM on 09/10/2012
"How many other people can you point working today that are actively trying to elevate the art of storytelling?"

I think the frustration comes from the feeling that Cameron ISN'T actively elevating storytelling in any way. Certainly not in the way he did once upon a time with ALIENS or TERMINATOR 2. There was nothing in the way the story was told in AVATAR that elevated the art or act of storytelling - nothing in the text, the plot progression, or the characters, nothing noticeable beyond
"How many other people can you point working today that are actively trying to elevate the art of storytelling?"

I think the frustration comes from the feeling that Cameron ISN'T actively elevating storytelling in any way. Certainly not in the way he did once upon a time with ALIENS or TERMINATOR 2. There was nothing in the way the story was told in AVATAR that elevated the art or act of storytelling - nothing in the text, the plot progression, or the characters, nothing noticeable beyond the varnish that allowed it to exist. And while advancements in CGI may help certain stories be told, they don't elevate storytelling per se. Malick elevates storytelling with his insistence on treating nature as a character that can also illuminate for us the inner lives of the human characters. Del Toro elevates storytelling by restoring wonder and horror and discovery to our tool set. Ridley Scott elevates storytelling by consistently working to create a beautifully striking cohesion of the text, the visuals, and the sound. Cameron, meanwhile, has done little to elevate the art of storytelling in a long, long time.
2:54PM on 09/10/2012
I couldn't disagree more from those examples you cited. Malick to me makes glorified nature documentaries with things like characters, plot, and audience patience being an afterthought. I love Guillermo, but his last couple of outings in Hellboy 2 and Don't be Afraid of the Dark could've used stronger scripts and better characterization. While Ridley Scott is a director only yet still manages to have a ridiculously bad hit to miss ratio even though he has the luxury of picking whatever he
I couldn't disagree more from those examples you cited. Malick to me makes glorified nature documentaries with things like characters, plot, and audience patience being an afterthought. I love Guillermo, but his last couple of outings in Hellboy 2 and Don't be Afraid of the Dark could've used stronger scripts and better characterization. While Ridley Scott is a director only yet still manages to have a ridiculously bad hit to miss ratio even though he has the luxury of picking whatever he wants. Cameron may not have blown anyone away with his story, but the execution, the sense of wonder at this fully realized world, the beautiful transitions you can only get when everything is artificially rendered -- for those reasons I felt it was next level filmmaking. Not better filmmaking mind you, just next level.
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12:19PM on 09/10/2012

Hope we're all still interested in it by the time it comes out--

--I liked Avatar. I didn't like it so much that I want to see multiple sequels about it-- and certainly not enough to delay battle angel. --and now that I know I have to wait to see a Battle Angel movie that much longer because Avatar is in the way, Im starting to despise Avatar a little more each day. GUess we'll see--
--I liked Avatar. I didn't like it so much that I want to see multiple sequels about it-- and certainly not enough to delay battle angel. --and now that I know I have to wait to see a Battle Angel movie that much longer because Avatar is in the way, Im starting to despise Avatar a little more each day. GUess we'll see--
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11:29AM on 09/10/2012
Man. This is going to take a lot of harsh quiet time in the screenwriting room.
Man. This is going to take a lot of harsh quiet time in the screenwriting room.
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11:24AM on 09/10/2012

Whatever

Saw Avatar in theaters, never watched it again. Didn't hate it, didn't love it. I'll probably end up watching the next immediate sequel, although I'm not really looking forward to it; could care less if it was ever made. I feel like a lot of people will feel this way, and the next one will be a significant box office disappointment (if compared to the record setting figures the first one pulled obviously, but a disappointment regardless of the series past achievements)
Saw Avatar in theaters, never watched it again. Didn't hate it, didn't love it. I'll probably end up watching the next immediate sequel, although I'm not really looking forward to it; could care less if it was ever made. I feel like a lot of people will feel this way, and the next one will be a significant box office disappointment (if compared to the record setting figures the first one pulled obviously, but a disappointment regardless of the series past achievements)
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11:47AM on 09/10/2012
I was about to post my thoughts but you seem to have said it best. I didnt hate the movie, but didnt love it either. I'm not looking forward to the sequels but i'll still probably check them out in theaters from sheer bombardment of media coverage its gonna get. Oh well, the life of a film nerd goes on
I was about to post my thoughts but you seem to have said it best. I didnt hate the movie, but didnt love it either. I'm not looking forward to the sequels but i'll still probably check them out in theaters from sheer bombardment of media coverage its gonna get. Oh well, the life of a film nerd goes on
6:43PM on 09/10/2012
I completely agree with everything you said. I just feel completely indifferent about Avatar. Matter of fact, never watched it again after seeing it in theaters.
I completely agree with everything you said. I just feel completely indifferent about Avatar. Matter of fact, never watched it again after seeing it in theaters.
11:19AM on 09/10/2012
Avatar is a simple story told in bloated fashion. No way did it need to be so long. Now, I'm not saying that a sequel couldn't make more of that world than the original did, but I don't think there's that many people clamoring to see it, either. If these projects didn't take a dozen years to put together, we could've thrown at least one under the bus already and feel half-way there. James Cameron is a celebrated filmmaker, and I understand why, but Avatar, while visually impressive, is
Avatar is a simple story told in bloated fashion. No way did it need to be so long. Now, I'm not saying that a sequel couldn't make more of that world than the original did, but I don't think there's that many people clamoring to see it, either. If these projects didn't take a dozen years to put together, we could've thrown at least one under the bus already and feel half-way there. James Cameron is a celebrated filmmaker, and I understand why, but Avatar, while visually impressive, is extremely cliched in a way I'm not used to paying money to see. And my favorite character was Colonel Quaritch, because Stephen Lang didn't need CGI, and he won't be coming back.
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10:24AM on 09/10/2012
I didn't hate Avatar, I thought it was a decent story, even though unoriginal and told better before, but the visual of the planet were pretty amazing, combined with the only time I ever felt 3D was appropriate - it made me think like I was on a journey on a different planet (a dream of mine, and I know it's not only mine). But since the story was so recycled and dull and the characters uninteresting it didn't need or even merit a sequel... let alone two and a prequel. I had the experience I
I didn't hate Avatar, I thought it was a decent story, even though unoriginal and told better before, but the visual of the planet were pretty amazing, combined with the only time I ever felt 3D was appropriate - it made me think like I was on a journey on a different planet (a dream of mine, and I know it's not only mine). But since the story was so recycled and dull and the characters uninteresting it didn't need or even merit a sequel... let alone two and a prequel. I had the experience I wanted and I really don't need more of the same.
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9:57AM on 09/10/2012
I wholeheartedly agree with Captain Thorpe. And as for Battle Angel..... "Panzer Kunst"....? LOL.
I wholeheartedly agree with Captain Thorpe. And as for Battle Angel..... "Panzer Kunst"....? LOL.
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9:56AM on 09/10/2012
It's more than a little saddening to see the guy who brought us Aliens, The Abyss, T2, even True Lies, go down the George Lucas path. Captain Thorpe is spot on in that Cameron is a very talented filmmaker, but one who has been spoiled by the new tools at his disposal, and who seems to not want to innovate his story ideas any further. Still an admirable filmmaker though.
It's more than a little saddening to see the guy who brought us Aliens, The Abyss, T2, even True Lies, go down the George Lucas path. Captain Thorpe is spot on in that Cameron is a very talented filmmaker, but one who has been spoiled by the new tools at his disposal, and who seems to not want to innovate his story ideas any further. Still an admirable filmmaker though.
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9:22AM on 09/10/2012
Captain Thorpe - I couldn't have said it better.
Captain Thorpe - I couldn't have said it better.
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8:59AM on 09/10/2012
I really disliked Avatar and don't care about any sequels. I wish James would rediscover his passion for storytelling, rather than just playing with expensive toys. Like George Lucas, his talent has been spoiled by the capabilities of CG imagery - they can throw anything they want on the screen now. Go back and watch the stop-motion stuff from the end of The Terminator - yes the effects look poor by today's standards, but it's creepy and a lot of time and effort was put into making those
I really disliked Avatar and don't care about any sequels. I wish James would rediscover his passion for storytelling, rather than just playing with expensive toys. Like George Lucas, his talent has been spoiled by the capabilities of CG imagery - they can throw anything they want on the screen now. Go back and watch the stop-motion stuff from the end of The Terminator - yes the effects look poor by today's standards, but it's creepy and a lot of time and effort was put into making those shots work to serve the script. It's sad that the scriptwriting is playing second-fiddle to the development of the tech he wants to use - not a good sign for the sequels.
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9:11AM on 09/10/2012
Here here.
Here here.
9:34AM on 09/10/2012
I second that. Cameron used to be such a spectacular storyteller, i.e. The Abyss.
I second that. Cameron used to be such a spectacular storyteller, i.e. The Abyss.