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James Cameron thinks a Battleship movie is stupid, blasts Hollywood's "story problem"

01.11.2011

If you think that you and your fellow moviegoers are the only ones bemoaning all the toys and board games currently set for feature film adaptations, you've just landed a powerful ally.

Speaking to a German publication, James Cameron lambasts the BATTLESHIP movie specifically:

"We have a story crisis. Now they want to make the Battleship game into a film. This is pure desperation. Everyone in Hollywood knows how important it is that a film is a brand before it hit theaters. If a brand has been around, Harry Potter for example, or Spider-Man, you are light years ahead. And there lies the problem. Because unfortunately these franchises are become more ridiculous. Battleship. This degrades the cinema."

Clearly, he has yet to hear about the proposed Ouija Board, Rubik's Cube and Viewfinder films, and I wouldn't want to be in the room when he does.

Say he's a hypocrite all you want for taking nearly all of AVATAR's major plot points from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES and FERNGULLY, but the man does know how to create an original universe, and more often than not, an original story, and I completely agree with his sentiments about BATTLESHIP here. It IS a disgrace, and for the life of me, I don't understand why the Battleship name even had to be brought up. You want to make a movie where naval warships captained by Rihanna fight aliens? Great. But why bring the toy into it?

Extra Tidbit: Don't get me started about ASTEROIDS.
Source: MovielineSpiegel

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11:04PM on 01/13/2011
Seriously! This coming from the guy who made Avatar and Titanic... Nothing original there. His last semi original idea was Terminator.
Seriously! This coming from the guy who made Avatar and Titanic... Nothing original there. His last semi original idea was Terminator.
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3:37PM on 01/12/2011
The guy is 100% right, but Cameron is not one to talk about Hollywood's story problem. He's one of its biggest causes.
The guy is 100% right, but Cameron is not one to talk about Hollywood's story problem. He's one of its biggest causes.
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3:04AM on 01/12/2011
Plagarism degrades cinema as well. Just ask Kevin Costner and Harlan Ellison what they think of Jim.
The dude even managed to rip off Nick Fury for a Charleton Heston cameo in True Lies.

Don't get me wrong, Cameron has made some enjoyable movies over the years (Avatard not included), but he should just stick to making movies and keeping his mouth shut when the press is around.
Plagarism degrades cinema as well. Just ask Kevin Costner and Harlan Ellison what they think of Jim.
The dude even managed to rip off Nick Fury for a Charleton Heston cameo in True Lies.

Don't get me wrong, Cameron has made some enjoyable movies over the years (Avatard not included), but he should just stick to making movies and keeping his mouth shut when the press is around.
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8:23PM on 01/12/2011
you do know imperialism pre-dates Dances With Wolves, right? Calling that plagiarism is like calling any zombie movie or vampire movie plagiarism...
you do know imperialism pre-dates Dances With Wolves, right? Calling that plagiarism is like calling any zombie movie or vampire movie plagiarism...
2:36AM on 01/12/2011
Cocaine's a hell of a drug.
Cocaine's a hell of a drug.
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2:15AM on 01/12/2011
Oh yeah I forgot to add... How big are the balls on this guy. He speaks his mind and doesn't bullshit like everyone else in Hollywood. You have to comend that. He's also smarter than everyone in Hollywood. Listen to him talk, he knows his stuff inside and out and is still down to earth (unless you want to twist everything he says negatively, which is a fave of haters to do and totally miss the point he's making). He can have a conversation with a truck driver just as honestly as with an
Oh yeah I forgot to add... How big are the balls on this guy. He speaks his mind and doesn't bullshit like everyone else in Hollywood. You have to comend that. He's also smarter than everyone in Hollywood. Listen to him talk, he knows his stuff inside and out and is still down to earth (unless you want to twist everything he says negatively, which is a fave of haters to do and totally miss the point he's making). He can have a conversation with a truck driver just as honestly as with an Astrophysist. That is awesome.
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2:09AM on 01/12/2011
Jim Cameron is awesome, plain and simple.
No other person is Hollywood writes, produces, directs, edits and films their films with the dedication and sheer skill of Cameron. And when you consider the scale of those films, it is simply stunning.
Haters will hate, but you can't deny he has the skills to pull off absolute cinematic magic.
If you hate a film because of a corny line of dialogue, you're missing the forest for the trees. If you hate on a film because it contains some familiar
Jim Cameron is awesome, plain and simple.
No other person is Hollywood writes, produces, directs, edits and films their films with the dedication and sheer skill of Cameron. And when you consider the scale of those films, it is simply stunning.
Haters will hate, but you can't deny he has the skills to pull off absolute cinematic magic.
If you hate a film because of a corny line of dialogue, you're missing the forest for the trees. If you hate on a film because it contains some familiar elements, same thing. There is NOThING original to tell anymore. It's in the way you tell it, and Cameron is a master at that.
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1:19PM on 01/12/2011
sooo [link] isnt that big of a deal. cameron has millions of dollars thrown at him. there are several people who work outside of the studio system who also write/direct/edit and those people deserve far more respect.
sooo [link] isnt that big of a deal. cameron has millions of dollars thrown at him. there are several people who work outside of the studio system who also write/direct/edit and those people deserve far more respect.
1:25PM on 01/12/2011
Oh i wasnt so bothered by the lack of originality in both story and sets/costume... I had a problem with james shoving his political-eco agenda down my throat then after he gets the worlds highest grossing film (second time)... he doesnt do anything with that money.

ps. the forest in ferngully nailed the glowing fauna...
Oh i wasnt so bothered by the lack of originality in both story and sets/costume... I had a problem with james shoving his political-eco agenda down my throat then after he gets the worlds highest grossing film (second time)... he doesnt do anything with that money.

ps. the forest in ferngully nailed the glowing fauna...
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1:57AM on 01/12/2011
Lol, talkbackers are such hypocrites. If you're going to call Avatar unoriginal, then you could just as easily call Inception unoriginal.

Inception was just a heist film, complete with the generic "lets build a team, lets train a new guy, lets talk about what we are going to do, now watch us do it, uh oh something unexpected happened, now things aren't going as planned, but we did it anyways." Expect Inception added a "or did we?" twist.
Lol, talkbackers are such hypocrites. If you're going to call Avatar unoriginal, then you could just as easily call Inception unoriginal.

Inception was just a heist film, complete with the generic "lets build a team, lets train a new guy, lets talk about what we are going to do, now watch us do it, uh oh something unexpected happened, now things aren't going as planned, but we did it anyways." Expect Inception added a "or did we?" twist.
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12:21AM on 01/12/2011
Cameron haters can eat a dick. Lets revisit the list of stellar movies this guy has written and/or directed before we shit on him anymore.
Terminator
Terminator 2
Aliens
The Abyss
Strange Days
True Lies
Avatar
The guy has put out some of the best sci-movies/action movies ever. Get off his ass!!

p.s. If you havent checked out Strange Days please do. Its a brilliant movie that got shit on at the box office.
Cameron haters can eat a dick. Lets revisit the list of stellar movies this guy has written and/or directed before we shit on him anymore.
Terminator
Terminator 2
Aliens
The Abyss
Strange Days
True Lies
Avatar
The guy has put out some of the best sci-movies/action movies ever. Get off his ass!!

p.s. If you havent checked out Strange Days please do. Its a brilliant movie that got shit on at the box office.
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8:50PM on 01/11/2011
Ok, yes. He stole the plot of Avatar from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES, and FERNGULLY, but you know what, I would rather watch Avatar than POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES or FERNGULLY so I guess he wins there.

And somebody should slap Rihanna for...oh...wait...
Ok, yes. He stole the plot of Avatar from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES, and FERNGULLY, but you know what, I would rather watch Avatar than POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES or FERNGULLY so I guess he wins there.

And somebody should slap Rihanna for...oh...wait...
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8:50PM on 01/11/2011
Ok, yes. He stole the plot of Avatar from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES, and FERNGULLY, but you know what, I would rather watch Avatar than POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES or FERNGULLY so I guess he wins there.

And somebody should slap Rihanna for...oh...wait...
Ok, yes. He stole the plot of Avatar from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES, and FERNGULLY, but you know what, I would rather watch Avatar than POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES or FERNGULLY so I guess he wins there.

And somebody should slap Rihanna for...oh...wait...
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8:34PM on 01/11/2011
Everyone can sit there and hate on Cameron and how many different movies he is "stealing" from but there is no mention of The Town.....I liked it better when it was called Heat!!!!!
Everyone can sit there and hate on Cameron and how many different movies he is "stealing" from but there is no mention of The Town.....I liked it better when it was called Heat!!!!!
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8:23PM on 01/11/2011

Wait...

This is coming from the guy who is currently working on Avatar 2 & 3
This is coming from the guy who is currently working on Avatar 2 & 3
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8:22PM on 01/11/2011

Wait...

This is coming from the guy who is currently working on Avatar 2 & 3
This is coming from the guy who is currently working on Avatar 2 & 3
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7:56PM on 01/11/2011
As much as I hate all these brand name toys getting retarded action movie franchises, Cameron hasn't been any more original or creative than these clowns in over ten years.
As much as I hate all these brand name toys getting retarded action movie franchises, Cameron hasn't been any more original or creative than these clowns in over ten years.
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7:34PM on 01/11/2011
Said the man who made Dances with Avatars.
Said the man who made Dances with Avatars.
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7:16PM on 01/11/2011
While I agree with Cameron, and I applaude someone for standing up against all the dumb ideas in Hollywood, I wouldn't call Cameron the one to say it. I would hardly call Cameron the guy to talk about originality. Don't get me wrong, he does great work. He's great at portraying action and his films look fantastic, but he hasn't made a truly original film in a long time (I would say since Terminator). Even Avatar's world, for all it's great looks, isn't original. It's just very pretty and
While I agree with Cameron, and I applaude someone for standing up against all the dumb ideas in Hollywood, I wouldn't call Cameron the one to say it. I would hardly call Cameron the guy to talk about originality. Don't get me wrong, he does great work. He's great at portraying action and his films look fantastic, but he hasn't made a truly original film in a long time (I would say since Terminator). Even Avatar's world, for all it's great looks, isn't original. It's just very pretty and impressive looking.

Good for him to stand up for true cinema, but this message would be a lot more powerful coming from someone like Terry Gilliam, who makes truly original works (even if he's not the most audience friendly).
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5:47PM on 01/11/2011
I agree with him. But you know what else is stupid? Stealing the plot from The Last Samurai and Dances with Wolves.
I agree with him. But you know what else is stupid? Stealing the plot from The Last Samurai and Dances with Wolves.
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5:44PM on 01/11/2011

What about the Monopoly movie?

Wasn't Cameron's pal Ridley Scott going to direct it? Or was it just a joke in the end?

Thought I'd never say it but - James Cameron is right. "Battlefield" is a piss-poor idea
Wasn't Cameron's pal Ridley Scott going to direct it? Or was it just a joke in the end?

Thought I'd never say it but - James Cameron is right. "Battlefield" is a piss-poor idea
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5:36PM on 01/11/2011

Battleship Script

I've been one of the biggest haters of Cameron's Avatar of anyone (hell, I wrote a COLUMN bashing it) and I can definitely understand why people are calling him hypocritical here because, lets face it, Avatar's story and script were about as original as Pepsi Max. However, as someone who HAS read the Battleship script, I can say with confidence that Cameron picked a perfect film to rip on. It's one of the most shockingly bad and poorly written scripts I've ever read, and the characters and
I've been one of the biggest haters of Cameron's Avatar of anyone (hell, I wrote a COLUMN bashing it) and I can definitely understand why people are calling him hypocritical here because, lets face it, Avatar's story and script were about as original as Pepsi Max. However, as someone who HAS read the Battleship script, I can say with confidence that Cameron picked a perfect film to rip on. It's one of the most shockingly bad and poorly written scripts I've ever read, and the characters and storyline are about as creative and complex as the board game itself. No joke.

I also gotta commend Cameron for speaking out, for the sole reason that the man has a reputation of uber-success, and is in a prominent position in the industry. Anyone that high up ripping on the current state of things is, in my book, a very good thing.
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4:27PM on 01/11/2011

HE'S RIGHT!!!!

.... I wish the script becomes available via the net! However, I still thinks it's a stupid idea!
.... I wish the script becomes available via the net! However, I still thinks it's a stupid idea!
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4:21PM on 01/11/2011

Calm Down

Not every movie needs to be oscar worthy. Retarded people like movies too!
Not every movie needs to be oscar worthy. Retarded people like movies too!
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4:02PM on 01/11/2011
"Say he's a hypocrite all you want for taking nearly all of AVATAR's major plot points from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES and FERNGULLY, but the man does know how to create an original universe, and more often than not, an original story."

"He is really unoriginal, but damn is he original."
"Say he's a hypocrite all you want for taking nearly all of AVATAR's major plot points from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES and FERNGULLY, but the man does know how to create an original universe, and more often than not, an original story."

"He is really unoriginal, but damn is he original."
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4:16PM on 01/11/2011
Plot point and story are two diffeent things. Shakespeare used a lot of existing plot points form previous plays, yet he wrote the best stories in the world. I'm not saying that's the case with Cameron, although I think he knows how to write a good story.
Plot point and story are two diffeent things. Shakespeare used a lot of existing plot points form previous plays, yet he wrote the best stories in the world. I'm not saying that's the case with Cameron, although I think he knows how to write a good story.
9:58PM on 01/11/2011
Congratulations. You took High School English!

I was actually commenting on the absurdity of the statement made in the article and not Cameron's severe lack of creativity. And don't compare Shakespeare's usage of elements from plays that predated his own to this, because although he drew heavily from previous works, he made sure to distinguish his own work from those he used by means of being a skilled writer of dialogue as well as dark humor. And while plot points and story might not be
Congratulations. You took High School English!

I was actually commenting on the absurdity of the statement made in the article and not Cameron's severe lack of creativity. And don't compare Shakespeare's usage of elements from plays that predated his own to this, because although he drew heavily from previous works, he made sure to distinguish his own work from those he used by means of being a skilled writer of dialogue as well as dark humor. And while plot points and story might not be exactly the same, plot points are the devices through which the story develops and progresses and if those are simplistic and unrecognizable from that which it is influenced by, the plot suffers as well.
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3:58PM on 01/11/2011
lol.
so not really surprizing that everything cameron says here has been said dozens of times before.
lol.
so not really surprizing that everything cameron says here has been said dozens of times before.
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3:58PM on 01/11/2011
"Say he's a hypocrite all you want for taking nearly all of AVATAR's major plot points from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES and FERNGULLY, but the man does know how to create an original universe, and more often than not, an original story."

"He is really unoriginal, but damn is he original."
"Say he's a hypocrite all you want for taking nearly all of AVATAR's major plot points from POCAHONTAS, DANCES WITH WOLVES and FERNGULLY, but the man does know how to create an original universe, and more often than not, an original story."

"He is really unoriginal, but damn is he original."
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3:44PM on 01/11/2011
I like James Cameron. He is better than everyone. I'm not being sarcastic either.
I like James Cameron. He is better than everyone. I'm not being sarcastic either.
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3:44PM on 01/11/2011
Everybody rips on Cameron for Avatar for having a plot line that 3 other movies have when every single movie plot line has been done some way or another if you really look at it. It is funny the movies people bash but then praise another movie that was similar.
Everybody rips on Cameron for Avatar for having a plot line that 3 other movies have when every single movie plot line has been done some way or another if you really look at it. It is funny the movies people bash but then praise another movie that was similar.
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3:36PM on 01/11/2011
I don't get it. Other than the fact he's stating the obvious, why does he feel the need to chime in on Battleship? Why pick on that when we get countless of other horrible, awful films each year? Battleship isn't even finished yet (not that I have hope for it), but why single that out? He didn't feel the need to speak up when TF2 sucked balls, yet grossed 400 mill...I like Cameron enough, but if I were Peter Berg, I'd send him an invite to Thunderdome to settle this.
I don't get it. Other than the fact he's stating the obvious, why does he feel the need to chime in on Battleship? Why pick on that when we get countless of other horrible, awful films each year? Battleship isn't even finished yet (not that I have hope for it), but why single that out? He didn't feel the need to speak up when TF2 sucked balls, yet grossed 400 mill...I like Cameron enough, but if I were Peter Berg, I'd send him an invite to Thunderdome to settle this.
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3:12PM on 01/11/2011

Not quite

"...but the man does know how to create an original universe..."

So I take it you've never seen ANY of Roger Dean's artwork?
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"...but the man does know how to create an original universe..."

So I take it you've never seen ANY of Roger Dean's artwork?
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3:07PM on 01/11/2011

Big Deal

Cameron is basically stating what everyone has been thinking for some time now. I mean really, Battleship and Ouija films? No.....
Cameron is basically stating what everyone has been thinking for some time now. I mean really, Battleship and Ouija films? No.....
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2:42PM on 01/11/2011
I totally agree with him because I think a Battleship movie is pathetic and as many of you may hate Cameron at least he invented the Terminator franchise
I totally agree with him because I think a Battleship movie is pathetic and as many of you may hate Cameron at least he invented the Terminator franchise
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2:38PM on 01/11/2011

I agree

It seems that anything can be made into a movie these days, simply because it's popular. It's gotten to a point where a Jersey Shore movie or a Kleenex movie may not be out of the question (hope Hollywood's not listening). Say what you will, but Avatar will still turn out to be better than this Battleship shit.
It seems that anything can be made into a movie these days, simply because it's popular. It's gotten to a point where a Jersey Shore movie or a Kleenex movie may not be out of the question (hope Hollywood's not listening). Say what you will, but Avatar will still turn out to be better than this Battleship shit.
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2:35PM on 01/11/2011
Um...this is a case of the pot calling the kettle 'pot'.
I agree with his statements but think it odds its him saying it. It'd kinda be like Lucas slamming sci-fi.

Also, just a heads up Jimbo- Avatar sequels - not the answer to this problem.
Um...this is a case of the pot calling the kettle 'pot'.
I agree with his statements but think it odds its him saying it. It'd kinda be like Lucas slamming sci-fi.

Also, just a heads up Jimbo- Avatar sequels - not the answer to this problem.
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2:10PM on 01/11/2011
I completly agree. It seems like pretty close to 100% of movies nowadays are a prequel, sequel, remake, reboot, or a generic romantic comedy where the story never changes. But battleship? What's next? Mouse Trap?
I completly agree. It seems like pretty close to 100% of movies nowadays are a prequel, sequel, remake, reboot, or a generic romantic comedy where the story never changes. But battleship? What's next? Mouse Trap?
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1:59PM on 01/11/2011

Left on the cutting room floor

What they edited out was: "...however, if it is in 3D it has the potential to be a masterpiece." James, you are a hungry, hungry hypo-crit. Dipsh*t.
What they edited out was: "...however, if it is in 3D it has the potential to be a masterpiece." James, you are a hungry, hungry hypo-crit. Dipsh*t.
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1:54PM on 01/11/2011

Damn...

I looked through the comments because I assumed somebody would have already said this...and I was right: Pot. Kettle. Black.
I looked through the comments because I assumed somebody would have already said this...and I was right: Pot. Kettle. Black.
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1:36PM on 01/11/2011
and where does the line between a degrading film and a respectful film start/end? I love Terminator and True Lies but surely they aren't prodigiously important for civilization. They're fun action movies and for all we know BattleShip will be the same.
and where does the line between a degrading film and a respectful film start/end? I love Terminator and True Lies but surely they aren't prodigiously important for civilization. They're fun action movies and for all we know BattleShip will be the same.
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1:29PM on 01/11/2011

Cameron is looking to give Lucas' ego a run for its money.

He's playing the same games himself. He used hype and his name to get Avatar into a brand wayyy before it came out. Is there a difference between tricking audiences into thinking your film is revolutionary and tricking them with a known name? Either way you're using a gimmick to get people into theaters. A trick. And Avatar degraded storytelling. I love Cameron's earlier work but success has really gone to his head, if your playing the same games as your competition than its best to keep your
He's playing the same games himself. He used hype and his name to get Avatar into a brand wayyy before it came out. Is there a difference between tricking audiences into thinking your film is revolutionary and tricking them with a known name? Either way you're using a gimmick to get people into theaters. A trick. And Avatar degraded storytelling. I love Cameron's earlier work but success has really gone to his head, if your playing the same games as your competition than its best to keep your mouth shut.

The only good thing Cameron is doing now is helping GDT get Mountains of Madness made. Other than that he's just slamming other businessmen in hollywood.
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1:19PM on 01/11/2011
Avatar had the most generic story ever...
Avatar had the most generic story ever...
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1:14PM on 01/11/2011
What James Cameron says it's totally true but James even some of your movies aren't so original by the way remember you were gonna direct the Spider-Man movie originally?
What James Cameron says it's totally true but James even some of your movies aren't so original by the way remember you were gonna direct the Spider-Man movie originally?
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1:03PM on 01/11/2011
He's probably just mad they are doing another blockbuster about giant ships sinking. Guess he wasn't a fan of Poseidon either? Hope Battleship is good though. You make good films james, but i dont think when it takes fifteen years between them you should have a say.
He's probably just mad they are doing another blockbuster about giant ships sinking. Guess he wasn't a fan of Poseidon either? Hope Battleship is good though. You make good films james, but i dont think when it takes fifteen years between them you should have a say.
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1:02PM on 01/11/2011

eff cameron

f*ck james cameron, he talks way too much sh*t. keep your mouth shut about other people's projects and keep you head in your own films.

"degrades cinema"? listen, there are many many types of movies out there and they do all sorts of different things and some of them simply entertain. and, yes, sometimes good stories come out of strange places. a battleship movie? prolly wont be that good, and it might be terrible. but shame of f*ckin cameron for talking out of school and spinning yarn
f*ck james cameron, he talks way too much sh*t. keep your mouth shut about other people's projects and keep you head in your own films.

"degrades cinema"? listen, there are many many types of movies out there and they do all sorts of different things and some of them simply entertain. and, yes, sometimes good stories come out of strange places. a battleship movie? prolly wont be that good, and it might be terrible. but shame of f*ckin cameron for talking out of school and spinning yarn about "degrading cinema". he's made titanic and aliens, not effin 'wings of desire' or '2001:space odyssey'. i have never wanted a director to STFU more.
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12:54PM on 01/11/2011
I think I'll never understand people who hate Avatar based only on the fact that its got similarities with three other films. Yet, they enjoy every single one comic book adaptations, even though, they are pretty much all about a dude trying to kick the bad guy's ass.

Sure, Cameron has the same themes Pocahontas did, so what ? Its not necessarily a lack of originality. There are no themes that havent been explored yet - unless you consider lesbian serial killer turning into a croc something
I think I'll never understand people who hate Avatar based only on the fact that its got similarities with three other films. Yet, they enjoy every single one comic book adaptations, even though, they are pretty much all about a dude trying to kick the bad guy's ass.

Sure, Cameron has the same themes Pocahontas did, so what ? Its not necessarily a lack of originality. There are no themes that havent been explored yet - unless you consider lesbian serial killer turning into a croc something you have yet to see to be happy.

I think Cameron is right. Hollywood is getting more and more ridiculous and everything is turning into a franchise. I blame fanboys for the death of Hollywood. Generic filmmakers too often try to please those kids who will cry if something isnt like they expected it. There is no art anymore in filmmaking. Fortunately, there are still good directors who dont care about what you think.
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1:07PM on 01/11/2011
Actually the only thing "original" about Avatar is the special effects. I think I'll never understand people who love this movie so much. It's the EXACT same movie as Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen but for some unknown reason (Liberalism at its finest), Transformers gets stomped on and Avatar gets praised and I (and people who can think for themselves) don't buy into it one bit. As far as his statement about Battleship - I totally concur. It's one of hollywood's dumbest ideas in the
Actually the only thing "original" about Avatar is the special effects. I think I'll never understand people who love this movie so much. It's the EXACT same movie as Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen but for some unknown reason (Liberalism at its finest), Transformers gets stomped on and Avatar gets praised and I (and people who can think for themselves) don't buy into it one bit. As far as his statement about Battleship - I totally concur. It's one of hollywood's dumbest ideas in the history of dumb hollywood ideas.
2:13PM on 01/11/2011
The hate for Avatar gets overblown just because of its ridiculous success. Now, I'm not a fan it, it's an average movie with a ridiculous effects budget and well staged action set-pieces. Also, I felt Cameron was pretty much hitting every beat he's ever hit before in his previous movies, which severely detracted from my enjoyment of it.

But Avatar is leaps and bounds better than Transformers, and Cameron will always be abetter director than Bay.
The hate for Avatar gets overblown just because of its ridiculous success. Now, I'm not a fan it, it's an average movie with a ridiculous effects budget and well staged action set-pieces. Also, I felt Cameron was pretty much hitting every beat he's ever hit before in his previous movies, which severely detracted from my enjoyment of it.

But Avatar is leaps and bounds better than Transformers, and Cameron will always be abetter director than Bay.
3:39PM on 01/11/2011
I'm a little confused here, PeJota - how can you say that Avatar is leaps and bounds better than Transformers, yet call Avatar "an average movie with a ridiculous effects budget and well staged action set-pieces"? Isn't that exactly what Transformers was - average movie, ridiculous effects budget, & well staged action set-pieces? Maybe you're just not partial to M. Bay, but really... from your description of Avatar, I don't know what the difference was (for you) between the two movies.
I'm a little confused here, PeJota - how can you say that Avatar is leaps and bounds better than Transformers, yet call Avatar "an average movie with a ridiculous effects budget and well staged action set-pieces"? Isn't that exactly what Transformers was - average movie, ridiculous effects budget, & well staged action set-pieces? Maybe you're just not partial to M. Bay, but really... from your description of Avatar, I don't know what the difference was (for you) between the two movies.
3:44PM on 01/11/2011
Transformers is a lousy movie with a ridiculous effects budget with terribly staged action st pieces. So, the only thing they have in common is the ridiculous effects budget.
Transformers is a lousy movie with a ridiculous effects budget with terribly staged action st pieces. So, the only thing they have in common is the ridiculous effects budget.
12:54PM on 01/11/2011
I think he is right. Stop doing TOY movies.
I think he is right. Stop doing TOY movies.
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12:51PM on 01/11/2011
He's not saying you should never borrow from someone else's ideas. He's saying that the ideas Hollywood has been borrowing from lately have gone from bad to bat-shit crazy. And he's right.

Then again, everyone scoffed at a Facebook movie when it was announced. Maybe Battleship will be just as unexpectedly good... and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
He's not saying you should never borrow from someone else's ideas. He's saying that the ideas Hollywood has been borrowing from lately have gone from bad to bat-shit crazy. And he's right.

Then again, everyone scoffed at a Facebook movie when it was announced. Maybe Battleship will be just as unexpectedly good... and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
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12:51PM on 01/11/2011
While I agree that a Battleship movie is dumb, and I do think there is a story problem in Hollywood. I don't think slamming Super Hero movies is really the way to go. However Mr. Cameron forgets that Avatar, is basically Dances with Wolves. So don't tell me about original stories Cameron. The problem is we need more movies like The Hurt Locker, and Slumdog, and less schlock like Avatar. Hte all you want to, but Avatar was created so Cameron could try to be ground breaking, but it was also
While I agree that a Battleship movie is dumb, and I do think there is a story problem in Hollywood. I don't think slamming Super Hero movies is really the way to go. However Mr. Cameron forgets that Avatar, is basically Dances with Wolves. So don't tell me about original stories Cameron. The problem is we need more movies like The Hurt Locker, and Slumdog, and less schlock like Avatar. Hte all you want to, but Avatar was created so Cameron could try to be ground breaking, but it was also made so he could build his own franchise with multiple movies so he could here the sounds of money flowing into his pockets. Cameron has never been and never will be the master of the story. Michael Bay is a poor man's Cameron, and Sommers is a retard version of Bay. Give me Nolan and Aronofsky any day over these hacks.
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12:42PM on 01/11/2011

What???

James Cameron of Avatar talking about _story crisis_ :D ??
James Cameron of Avatar talking about _story crisis_ :D ??
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12:34PM on 01/11/2011
Haters gonna hate.
Haters gonna hate.
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12:13PM on 01/11/2011

I Agree.....But

I agree, the originality in Hollywood has vanished. It's all reboots and ripoffs of products. That being said, Avatar was his first film since Titanic. Our better, high caliber directors need to step up. I'm looking at you Cameron and Spielberg.
I agree, the originality in Hollywood has vanished. It's all reboots and ripoffs of products. That being said, Avatar was his first film since Titanic. Our better, high caliber directors need to step up. I'm looking at you Cameron and Spielberg.
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12:11PM on 01/11/2011
There goes Dickshit Cameron again, blasting Hollywood because their not as awesome as he is. But seriously, Cameron, YOU are going to talk about story problems? I gues Avatar was completely original and Last of the Last of the Mohicans, Ferngully, and countless others ripped off your idea. Right?
There goes Dickshit Cameron again, blasting Hollywood because their not as awesome as he is. But seriously, Cameron, YOU are going to talk about story problems? I gues Avatar was completely original and Last of the Last of the Mohicans, Ferngully, and countless others ripped off your idea. Right?
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12:09PM on 01/11/2011
wow, now cameron is just as stupid as your next internet kiddie?
"all the board games".. ya, sooo many, hu? james, just use your brain and watch all the great original movies that come out every year. and don't troll like a internet fanboy who doesn't know anything and just recries what someone else is. jesus.
wow, now cameron is just as stupid as your next internet kiddie?
"all the board games".. ya, sooo many, hu? james, just use your brain and watch all the great original movies that come out every year. and don't troll like a internet fanboy who doesn't know anything and just recries what someone else is. jesus.
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11:59AM on 01/11/2011
He's right, Hollywood is in a story crisis. There's plenty of proof, look at all the damn remakes that keep coming out. Spiderman, Red Dawn, Total Recall, The Karate Kid, The A-Team, Nightmare On Elm Street, Conan, Let Me In, Clash Of The Titans, and the list just goes on and on. And now they want to make the board game Battleship into a movie. What a horrible idea for a movie.
He's right, Hollywood is in a story crisis. There's plenty of proof, look at all the damn remakes that keep coming out. Spiderman, Red Dawn, Total Recall, The Karate Kid, The A-Team, Nightmare On Elm Street, Conan, Let Me In, Clash Of The Titans, and the list just goes on and on. And now they want to make the board game Battleship into a movie. What a horrible idea for a movie.
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1:22PM on 01/11/2011
Don't forget everyone's beloved TRUE GRIT, which was a remake of a John Wayne Movie with the same name TRUE GRIT. I noticed no one has a problem with a remake if is good....
Don't forget everyone's beloved TRUE GRIT, which was a remake of a John Wayne Movie with the same name TRUE GRIT. I noticed no one has a problem with a remake if is good....
1:45PM on 01/11/2011
Yeah, True Grit... I forgot about that one. Yeah, not too many people ragged on that movie when it was being made. Maybe it's because the original is so old. But it's definitely more proof that HW is out of ideas.
Yeah, True Grit... I forgot about that one. Yeah, not too many people ragged on that movie when it was being made. Maybe it's because the original is so old. But it's definitely more proof that HW is out of ideas.
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11:56AM on 01/11/2011
"...the man does know how to create an original universe, and more often than not, an original story..."

Which James Cameron are you talking about? Aliens was based upon creatures and worlds that he didn't create. The Terminator was appropriated from Harlan Ellison. Titanic was just about as trite as you can get. Avatar was pretty much stolen from Frederick Pohl (IIRC). And so on and so forth.

That's not to say that he isn't correct in his estimation about the story crisis in H-Wood.
"...the man does know how to create an original universe, and more often than not, an original story..."

Which James Cameron are you talking about? Aliens was based upon creatures and worlds that he didn't create. The Terminator was appropriated from Harlan Ellison. Titanic was just about as trite as you can get. Avatar was pretty much stolen from Frederick Pohl (IIRC). And so on and so forth.

That's not to say that he isn't correct in his estimation about the story crisis in H-Wood. Until the execs realize how important the writer is to the process, and that they need to start taking chances again, nothing will change.
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11:55AM on 01/11/2011

Hold on one sec..

Did this douche just diss Harry Potter?
Did this douche just diss Harry Potter?
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12:45PM on 01/11/2011
No.
No.
11:34PM on 01/11/2011
"If a brand has been around, Harry Potter for example, or Spider-Man, you are light years ahead. And there lies the problem. Because unfortunately these franchises are become more ridiculous"

Yes he did.
"If a brand has been around, Harry Potter for example, or Spider-Man, you are light years ahead. And there lies the problem. Because unfortunately these franchises are become more ridiculous"

Yes he did.
11:54AM on 01/11/2011

Whatever

As long as it's not EXTREMELY predictable, James. And characters that don't evoke the "blank state-insert yourself into the movie" Twilight-esque characterization. Sam Worthington and Cat People...there's your audience alone. AND maybe we can hope, even if it is predictable and unoriginal...it has a runtime under 2 hrs.
As long as it's not EXTREMELY predictable, James. And characters that don't evoke the "blank state-insert yourself into the movie" Twilight-esque characterization. Sam Worthington and Cat People...there's your audience alone. AND maybe we can hope, even if it is predictable and unoriginal...it has a runtime under 2 hrs.
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11:54AM on 01/11/2011

Fuck this asshole...

I don't care how successful his films are, or how hard he works on them, if you're going to make a point about original fucking stories and you don't point out your own problems on the matter, then you're a fucking asshole. So you put a twist on Pocahontas and called the film Avatar... fuck you. None of that makes up for the predictable storytelling, corny dialog, etc...

The real problem isn't in adapting a brand or book or whatever, but rather in knowing how to tell a great story without
I don't care how successful his films are, or how hard he works on them, if you're going to make a point about original fucking stories and you don't point out your own problems on the matter, then you're a fucking asshole. So you put a twist on Pocahontas and called the film Avatar... fuck you. None of that makes up for the predictable storytelling, corny dialog, etc...

The real problem isn't in adapting a brand or book or whatever, but rather in knowing how to tell a great story without making us feel like we've seen it all before. But to go back to his point of adapting a brand... I think CRIMSON TIDE is a fine action/thriller... if it had been called BATTLESHIP would it make a difference to me? Not one bit. A FACEBOOK movie sounded like a terrible idea, but look at what a great script and solid vision/direction could do.

To recap, fuck you James Cameron.

PS - I have no doubt BATTLESHIP will be an awful movie, but that's beside the point.
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11:50AM on 01/11/2011
sorry for the double post.
sorry for the double post.
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11:50AM on 01/11/2011
This is one I'm siding with Cameron on.. there's literally a remake or adaptation every week in Hollywood now.. and it's pathetic.
This is one I'm siding with Cameron on.. there's literally a remake or adaptation every week in Hollywood now.. and it's pathetic.
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11:49AM on 01/11/2011
I think Battleship will be the biggest movie ever. You're all just jealous you haven't jumped on the bandwagon. I'm already on the Battleship forums working to help others decipher the language of the Milton-Bradliens. Titanic only had one ship, this will have at least 5. And I can't wait for the dvd with the deleted ship to ship sex scene.
I think Battleship will be the biggest movie ever. You're all just jealous you haven't jumped on the bandwagon. I'm already on the Battleship forums working to help others decipher the language of the Milton-Bradliens. Titanic only had one ship, this will have at least 5. And I can't wait for the dvd with the deleted ship to ship sex scene.
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3:37PM on 01/11/2011
It'll be a game changer...
It'll be a game changer...
11:42AM on 01/11/2011
i was about to hop on the "shut up, james!" bandwagon, until i saw that the budget for 'Battleship' is 200 million.
i was about to hop on the "shut up, james!" bandwagon, until i saw that the budget for 'Battleship' is 200 million.
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11:26AM on 01/11/2011

Yeah...

...because "Unobtainium" was such a great idea.
...because "Unobtainium" was such a great idea.
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11:39AM on 01/11/2011
It is a real term, though.
It is a real term, though.
11:50AM on 01/11/2011
a real term yes... that he fucking used to describe a resource. That's like me calling the most amazing pizza in the world a "delicious pie".
a real term yes... that he fucking used to describe a resource. That's like me calling the most amazing pizza in the world a "delicious pie".
1:08PM on 01/11/2011
From the infallible source of all knowledge - WIKIPEDIA!:

"In engineering, fiction, or thought experiments, unobtainium (also spelled unobtanium) is any extremely rare, costly, or impossible material, or (less commonly) device needed to fulfill a given design for a given application."

BTW, I'm not crazy about Avatar, but I think the term's use was legit.
From the infallible source of all knowledge - WIKIPEDIA!:

"In engineering, fiction, or thought experiments, unobtainium (also spelled unobtanium) is any extremely rare, costly, or impossible material, or (less commonly) device needed to fulfill a given design for a given application."

BTW, I'm not crazy about Avatar, but I think the term's use was legit.
3:00PM on 01/11/2011
Also from that same Wiki page:

The concept of "Unobtainium" is often applied flippantly or humorously.

Just saying.
Also from that same Wiki page:

The concept of "Unobtainium" is often applied flippantly or humorously.

Just saying.
11:14AM on 01/11/2011

Dear Jimmy

Pot. Kettle. Black.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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11:19AM on 01/11/2011
Well played.....wait, did you just sink his Battleship??
Well played.....wait, did you just sink his Battleship??
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