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James Cameron vs. Piranha 3D and Werner Herzog weighs in on Cameron's 3D future
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by: Niki Stephens Aug. 30, 2010

Lately it seems like James Cameron has been full of advice, tidbits, and general comments on whatever.

It's interesting to hear some of his insight, whether you agree or not. One of the biggest topics/trends right now brought on by Cameron's monster AVATAR is 3D. Cameron once said that the 3D Renaissance was upon us.

Right now, it seems like every movie has decided to jump on the 3D bandwagon. Is this the "cool" thing to do right now? Or has this technology had a profound effect on the film viewing world? It's too soon to tell where 3D will go, if it goes anywhere. However, Cameron doesn't think that 3D is the greatest idea for every project. The director spoke with Vanity Fair on when the technology works and when it doesn't, "After Avatar, people tried to cash in. Or, in some cases, like Alice in Wonderland and How to Train Your Dragon— especially the latter, which I think is excellent in 3-D—they were films that were in the pipeline for some time."

One genre he thinks doesn't benefit from 3D is horror. Cameron was asked about PIRANHA 3D and also commented on his brief time on the sequel to Roger Corman's PIRANHA, "You’ve got to remember: I worked on Piranha 2 for a few days and got fired off of it; I don’t put it on my official filmography. So there’s no sort of fond connection for me whatsoever. In fact, I would go even farther and say that... I tend almost never to throw other films under the bus, but that is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D. When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip. And that’s not what’s happening now with 3-D."

Then on the other end of the spectrum we have Werner Herzog. The Playlist spoke with him about the technology, "I've always been skeptical of 3D, for some cases it's fine like 'Avatar', you see the spectacle [of the picture] like fireworks on the 4th of July, that's perfectly ok. But in principal, human beings do not like to see 3D on the screen. Our eyes, our brain is not really for it, because in real life we see with one dominant eye and the other one peripherally sees the third dimension."

Herzog has been working on a 3D documentary titled CAVE OF FORGOTTEN DREAMS and feels like his film is an instance where it can be used, "Like our cave documentary, you will see what a wonderful choice that was, but I hope you will never see something like a romantic comedy in 3D. It wouldn't be the right thing to do."

But what did Herzog have to say about Cameron's prediction on the future of 3D? "He is certainly wrong, he's definitely wrong. Our eyes do not want to see 3D all the time. We are very selective how we see and even how we hear. It's the same thing with 3D. It works in a few isolated cases -- as I said, like the fireworks of July -- otherwise, I think 3D will not invade what we normally want to see in a theater." Herzog is currently working on a big, epic film that he says will not use 3D.

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Extra Tidbit: While 3D is not necessary for everything, if you don't want to see it in 3D, just don't go.

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powerbomb1411
1:15AM on 09/01/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
3D sucks. That's just the fact, Toy Story 1 & 2 were good movies and they sucked in 3D. Avatar was a shitty movie and it sucked in 3D. I really hoped Toy Story 3 would do for 3D films what the original did for animated films. It didn't. Good film, but it dropped the ball. I will not see any film in 3D ever again. I'm done paying the extra fee to wear the glasses to see a box that occasionally...
3D sucks. That's just the fact, Toy Story 1 & 2 were good movies and they sucked in 3D. Avatar was a shitty movie and it sucked in 3D. I really hoped Toy Story 3 would do for 3D films what the original did for animated films. It didn't. Good film, but it dropped the ball. I will not see any film in 3D ever again. I'm done paying the extra fee to wear the glasses to see a box that occasionally has a couple pictures that sort of pop out toward me.
 
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PumpyFly
9:01PM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
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So far Cameron IS the only one where 3D has worked in a film imo. I am in no way saying he is the gatekeeper, BUT when it comes to 3D, I trust his judgment better than anyone else right now.

You do have a point on TITANIC though. He IS contradicting himself.

But the main thing I was trying to say was as of right now, nobody knows 3D better than Cameron. And if your making a...
So far Cameron IS the only one where 3D has worked in a film imo. I am in no way saying he is the gatekeeper, BUT when it comes to 3D, I trust his judgment better than anyone else right now.

You do have a point on TITANIC though. He IS contradicting himself.

But the main thing I was trying to say was as of right now, nobody knows 3D better than Cameron. And if your making a 3D movie, than you should take his advice and do it the right way.



Just exclude what he is doing with TITANIC. haha
 
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tazhughes
10:14AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Pumpfly...if that is Cameron's point then why is he discussing a re-release of Titanic in a upconverted 3D version? Oh right, because he is the only one that can make the format work. He is an egomaniac, who has done some really decent films, but he is not the only one that can make that format work and he is not the gatekeeper for what should and should not be in 3D.

Pumpfly...if that is Cameron's point then why is he discussing a re-release of Titanic in a upconverted 3D version? Oh right, because he is the only one that can make the format work. He is an egomaniac, who has done some really decent films, but he is not the only one that can make that format work and he is not the gatekeeper for what should and should not be in 3D.

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Cathelotte
2:25PM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
think what you want about JC, but EVERY 3D movies are compared to AVATAR (technicaly speaking) and I'm pretty sure his way of converting in 3D will be THE reference when it's done, as well... He would rather NOT re-release a movie at all if it's a badly up-converted movie, because he cares about (technical) quality of his movies.
think what you want about JC, but EVERY 3D movies are compared to AVATAR (technicaly speaking) and I'm pretty sure his way of converting in 3D will be THE reference when it's done, as well... He would rather NOT re-release a movie at all if it's a badly up-converted movie, because he cares about (technical) quality of his movies.
 
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AsthmaticHamster
10:03AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
In response to the extra tidbit, it's not always that easy. With more and more movies choosing to take the 3D road, it's gonna become harder and harder to get to see action flicks in 2D. Let's take The Green Hornet for example. I've been excited about the movie ever since both Rogen and Gondry were announced to be on board, but when Gondry announced that the movie would get a 3D post-production...
In response to the extra tidbit, it's not always that easy. With more and more movies choosing to take the 3D road, it's gonna become harder and harder to get to see action flicks in 2D. Let's take The Green Hornet for example. I've been excited about the movie ever since both Rogen and Gondry were announced to be on board, but when Gondry announced that the movie would get a 3D post-production treatment, I died a bit inside. While I'm sure they're still gonna screen the 2D version of the flick (or at least I hope so), if it were only in 3D, I'd have to skip one of my most anticipated movies of the year because of that, which I just don't accept...
 
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drexxell
8:12AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
This f***ing guy...
...and his hatred for Alice in Wonderland is getting beyond old. EVERY fucking interview he has to piss and moan like a little girl and say SOMETHING bad about it.



Get over it candy-ass! You're a billionaire whiner...the worst kind of bitch there is!
...and his hatred for Alice in Wonderland is getting beyond old. EVERY fucking interview he has to piss and moan like a little girl and say SOMETHING bad about it.



Get over it candy-ass! You're a billionaire whiner...the worst kind of bitch there is!
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SoundGirl
9:35AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I'm pretty sure he said that Alice in Wonderland DIDN'T cash in on the hype because they started the 3D process before the Avatar explosion. The only bad thing you could draw out of what he says, is that How To Train Your Dragon had better 3D. Which it did.
I'm pretty sure he said that Alice in Wonderland DIDN'T cash in on the hype because they started the 3D process before the Avatar explosion. The only bad thing you could draw out of what he says, is that How To Train Your Dragon had better 3D. Which it did.
 
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h
7:36AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Bloody turnips.
Bloody turnips.
 
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HercZanzibar
5:32AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
i'll be damned if cameron shits on the friday the 13th movies. Part 3 definitely needed the yoyo and snake gags lol
i'll be damned if cameron shits on the friday the 13th movies. Part 3 definitely needed the yoyo and snake gags lol
 
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fat-womanizer
3:52AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
James Cameron = George Lucas
James Cameron and Lucas did somes great movies but now it's all business and talk and the filmography gets worse.

On the other hand Werner Herzog continues to make quality movies.
James Cameron and Lucas did somes great movies but now it's all business and talk and the filmography gets worse.

On the other hand Werner Herzog continues to make quality movies.
 
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iKev
1:36AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Cameron go home....
Its not the problem that there are 3D movies coming out. The problem is its being shoved down everyones throats. I'm already about to stop going to theaters for plenty of other reasons, but I feel like soon enough you wont be able to see a movie in 2D without it being in some shitty, run down theater. So if a director makes an intent to not use 3D, he or she could easily be discredited for it...
Its not the problem that there are 3D movies coming out. The problem is its being shoved down everyones throats. I'm already about to stop going to theaters for plenty of other reasons, but I feel like soon enough you wont be able to see a movie in 2D without it being in some shitty, run down theater. So if a director makes an intent to not use 3D, he or she could easily be discredited for it and the movie will not show in the big, new theaters. Slippery slope..... fuck james cameron.... again.
 
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Z_oasis
1:06AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I have lost ALL respect for Cameron, he is ALWAYS talking out of his ass, full of shit 85% of the time and just a complete imbecile overall
I have lost ALL respect for Cameron, he is ALWAYS talking out of his ass, full of shit 85% of the time and just a complete imbecile overall
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Grand_Marquis
3:52AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Well that's not fair. I'd say he's probably about average intelligence. It's just that before Avatar, nobody had any interest in his opinions, and now the press hangs off his every off-hand remark whether he wants them to or not. It's not like he's some Michael Bay type asshole, actively chasing down the press to insert his two cents down our throats. He's just overexposed.

Als...
Well that's not fair. I'd say he's probably about average intelligence. It's just that before Avatar, nobody had any interest in his opinions, and now the press hangs off his every off-hand remark whether he wants them to or not. It's not like he's some Michael Bay type asshole, actively chasing down the press to insert his two cents down our throats. He's just overexposed.

Also, he's probably wrong, which doesn't help the situation.
 
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d00r
12:31AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Alice in Wonderland 3D gave me a Headache, and the movie nearly put me to sleep WTF did people see in that horse shit?

Alice in Wonderland 3D gave me a Headache, and the movie nearly put me to sleep WTF did people see in that horse shit?

 
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BadFilmsRule
10:16PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Piranah 3D > Avatar
You know this to be true....
You know this to be true....
 
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SoundGirl
10:16PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I'd have to agree with both of them. Regardless of what I think about Avatar (only worth it for the 3D, otherwise pretty lousy) Cameron knows what he's talking about. Herzog as well.



In fact, I would bet that if you removed Cameron's name from this article entirely and every quote was from Herzog, this whole board would be littered with green.
I'd have to agree with both of them. Regardless of what I think about Avatar (only worth it for the 3D, otherwise pretty lousy) Cameron knows what he's talking about. Herzog as well.



In fact, I would bet that if you removed Cameron's name from this article entirely and every quote was from Herzog, this whole board would be littered with green.
 
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DaForce
9:55PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
"When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip."



Exactly what I found Avatard to be. Devoid of creativity, and just a banal showcase for a dead medium that James personally pumped money into (home 3D tvs)and was trying to get his money to...
"When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip."



Exactly what I found Avatard to be. Devoid of creativity, and just a banal showcase for a dead medium that James personally pumped money into (home 3D tvs)and was trying to get his money to work for him. 3D was a medium that died somewhere in the 1960's, and should have stayed buried. Because frankly it hasn't changed.



If Cameron really wanted to put his money on something a bit more futuristic (and viable), he should have been trying to fund holography instead.
 
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PumpyFly
9:31PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Silverload
Totally agree with ya bro.

Until I see a better 3D movie than AVATAR, I will always defend James Cameron.

At least he is trying new things. Who knows what will happen to 3D. But Cameron has a point. Don't make a a 3D movie if its not shot in 3D!
Totally agree with ya bro.

Until I see a better 3D movie than AVATAR, I will always defend James Cameron.

At least he is trying new things. Who knows what will happen to 3D. But Cameron has a point. Don't make a a 3D movie if its not shot in 3D!
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Freeden
1:47AM on 08/31/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I would hardly call Avatar something new. And the 3D technology isn't new, it's simply more advanced. Meaning, we get better colors, sharper images, and better detail. However, the 3rd dimension has not magically changed.
I would hardly call Avatar something new. And the 3D technology isn't new, it's simply more advanced. Meaning, we get better colors, sharper images, and better detail. However, the 3rd dimension has not magically changed.
 
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Silverload
9:15PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Lmao. Cameron points out the obvious, and yet people still find reasons to bash him for it.



Cameron could say "I love lamp" and a bunch of internet trolls would come running & screaming absurdly idiotic comments like "Fuck you Cameron, shut up about lamp already!" & "What a fucking ego-maniac asshole to think we care about his love for lamp".
Lmao. Cameron points out the obvious, and yet people still find reasons to bash him for it.



Cameron could say "I love lamp" and a bunch of internet trolls would come running & screaming absurdly idiotic comments like "Fuck you Cameron, shut up about lamp already!" & "What a fucking ego-maniac asshole to think we care about his love for lamp".
 
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filmguy450
8:54PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I have defended Cameron in the past, and often, but here, he is wrong. "Piranha 3D" is no less gimmicky than "Alice In Wonderland" or "Clash Of The Titans" (with those last two being the worst 3D I've seen to date), but he is right, in that if it starts being the sole reason to get the movie made, it does become a gimmick.
I have defended Cameron in the past, and often, but here, he is wrong. "Piranha 3D" is no less gimmicky than "Alice In Wonderland" or "Clash Of The Titans" (with those last two being the worst 3D I've seen to date), but he is right, in that if it starts being the sole reason to get the movie made, it does become a gimmick.
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DaForce
9:59PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
That was the sole reason to see Avatard. The 3D. In fact, Cameron was saying that was the preferred way to see his "film".

That was the sole reason to see Avatard. The 3D. In fact, Cameron was saying that was the preferred way to see his "film".

 
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Terminal_83
8:32PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Shut the fuck up, James.
Shut the fuck up, James.
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The_Soloist
11:56PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
he never does...he blurts out shit like a child
he never does...he blurts out shit like a child
 
Jeff527
9:41PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
i read a lot of your posts, and you never seem to know anything about anything. why don't you shut the fuck up?
i read a lot of your posts, and you never seem to know anything about anything. why don't you shut the fuck up?
 
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Kilar
8:06PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
When JC is the only guy to pull off a decent live action 3D film others should listen to him. It's like if the top heart sergeon in the world is giving a lecture and all you can think about it how much better you can do it, only when you try all your patients die.

On and Cameron hasn't exactly been full of praise for other 3D conversions either. He simply wants to see 3D films shot in...
When JC is the only guy to pull off a decent live action 3D film others should listen to him. It's like if the top heart sergeon in the world is giving a lecture and all you can think about it how much better you can do it, only when you try all your patients die.

On and Cameron hasn't exactly been full of praise for other 3D conversions either. He simply wants to see 3D films shot in 3D. Why is that such an issue? It's clearly the best way to film them.

But I understand, it's cool yo hate on Cameron at the moment and it'll get you a few more page hits.

Nothing like filler content to pad out a slow day.
 
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razgriz21
7:58PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Jim Cameron can be an asshole but he has a point.



Instead of ripping on Piranha, he should have ripped on Clash of The Titans.
Jim Cameron can be an asshole but he has a point.



Instead of ripping on Piranha, he should have ripped on Clash of The Titans.
 
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Weapon X
7:40PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
James Cameron may be a dick sometimes. But if one movie with an innovative use of 3D makes giant bank and every copycat 3D flick after it flounders in comparison, one has to admit the man is not exactly wrong.
James Cameron may be a dick sometimes. But if one movie with an innovative use of 3D makes giant bank and every copycat 3D flick after it flounders in comparison, one has to admit the man is not exactly wrong.
 
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Jeff527
7:13PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
. . .
i have to admit i see cameron's point with 3d and horror. if you imagine alot of the horror films we've been getting would you want to see them in 3d ? no right, 2d is the best format for that. i do think 3d went perfectly with piranha 3d though.
i have to admit i see cameron's point with 3d and horror. if you imagine alot of the horror films we've been getting would you want to see them in 3d ? no right, 2d is the best format for that. i do think 3d went perfectly with piranha 3d though.
 
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The Jester
7:03PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I think 3D has places that it should be used and places it should avoid. Personally, I can't sit through a 3D movie. Those stupid glasses screw with my vision, and I end up with a killer headache. I spent the last hour and a half of Avatar staring at blurry images, because I couldn't stand it anymore. So as long as the studios keep releasing non-3D versions of the movies, I'll be fine. If they...
I think 3D has places that it should be used and places it should avoid. Personally, I can't sit through a 3D movie. Those stupid glasses screw with my vision, and I end up with a killer headache. I spent the last hour and a half of Avatar staring at blurry images, because I couldn't stand it anymore. So as long as the studios keep releasing non-3D versions of the movies, I'll be fine. If they ever stop letting out both versions, they're going to lose money. Not everyone can drop $20 on a ticket.
 
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The_Soloist
6:58PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
"Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D."



Cameron can just fuck himself. He should really try to shut the fuck up sometimes.
"Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D."



Cameron can just fuck himself. He should really try to shut the fuck up sometimes.
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SoundGirl
7:15PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Because he pointed out how horror movies are apt to play off of the gimmicky nature of 3D? Something that Avatar (refreshingly) didn't do?

Like it or not, the man knows his shit.
Because he pointed out how horror movies are apt to play off of the gimmicky nature of 3D? Something that Avatar (refreshingly) didn't do?

Like it or not, the man knows his shit.
 
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im_crazy_for_it
6:55PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Ehh. I don't think it's right to say all horror movies shouldn't be in 3D because past ones have been gimmicky. It's just that someone needs to find the right way to use it for said medium. James Cameron rubs me the wrong way.
Ehh. I don't think it's right to say all horror movies shouldn't be in 3D because past ones have been gimmicky. It's just that someone needs to find the right way to use it for said medium. James Cameron rubs me the wrong way.
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The_Soloist
11:57PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
snoopmish...great point
snoopmish...great point
 
snoopmish
8:45PM on 08/30/2010 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Like My Blood Valentine....that used it great!
Like My Blood Valentine....that used it great!